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Jan 30, 2009 08:33 PM

Milk and Honey suggestions

Hey Everybody,

Interested in hearing your favorites/finding some additional drinks for when at M & H. My favorite at present is the Penicillin(blended scotch, ginger, lemon juice, laphroaig), and I almost always get it for at least one round when there. I'd love to hear any recs for other drinks you find outstanding there though. Relevant to note, if you have favorites at the other great bars of the city please feel free to reference here, especially if I could get it at M & H (for example they don't do heated drinks). I tend to prefer whiskey/whisky/dark rum drinks to gin, but am interested in the whole gamut. Chartreuse is a well-loved ingredient of mine(and if I remember right factors somehow into two other drinks I and my girlfriend have really enjoyed there, the Gershwin, which I hazily remember involving some combination of gin, green chartreuse and rosewater, and the Fitzroy, also hazily remembered as a combination of scotch and chartreuse, although I may be completely wrong on that name/drink combo!). I love richly complex, nuanced drinks, and if its well-balanced tend to prefer somewhat bolder flavors. Very interested in hearing your thoughts/recs/favorites per this! Thanks,


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  1. The penicillin is my favorite too! I just wish M&H hadn't gone private...
    Since you like the penicillin, very similar is the Myra Breckenridge at Death and Co: Laphroaig, absinthe, lime juice, touch of simple syrup. Thanks for posting some of the others, I'll have to see if I can get them elsewhere. Have you been to White Star since they started making more cocktails? I'm wondering if they'll do some of these M&H favorites.

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    1. re: orthorunner

      Thanks for the rec--the Myra sounds great, I'll have to give that a try. I have been to White Star recently but got hot toddies as it was freezing out! I do think that there is at least some crossover in whats available at White Star and the M & H signatures, but not sure on the details...would be good to find out though.

      1. re: orthorunner

        I can't speak for White Star, but it has adopted the same bouncer at the door, and standing room capacity drinking policy as East Side Company. Meaning, they lack the class affairs you're looking for. Perhaps once inside, on a calm weekday night you can duplicate the experience, but it doesn't appear they're even hiring bartenders who can go off menu, let alone execute the M & H drinks.

        You're better off going with a group to Death & Co. (where a larger group can enjoy one of the bigger tables) earlier in the night. Or Pegu/Flatiron.

      2. The beauty of Milk & Honey is that you can just go in and tell them what you like and the bartender will make a drink to suit your taste.

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        1. re: KTinNYC

          Exactly, thats one of the things I love about it. And I literally don't think I've ever had a drink they've made in response to a general "surprise me within the parameters of a scotch-based drink", etc. request that I haven't thoroughly enjoyed. The bartenders are fantastic at fielding such requests, be it totally general or specific/obscure. In my experience the (for lack of a better word, "surprise" or as I read one writer describe it, "omakase" drinks, that bars serve in response to general requests) at M & H have fallen either into the "I absolutely love it" category where it becomes something I repeat-order frequently, or into the "this was a very well made, very enjoyable drink, but I'd rather continue exploring other drinks than repeat" category.

          I think I would rarely go to M and H without giving at least half the rounds to the bartenders interpretation of a request I made. I suppose what I'm interested in with this post is whether any 'hounders have gleaned specific stand-out favorites from their own such experiences. But yes KT, as you say, half the fun is in the open-ended element...

          1. re: brettnyc

            Any other suggestions? I am going next week

        2. If you find Michael behind the bar, his Greenpoint would be right up your alley. Additionally, consider either a Tailspin or a Champs Elysées (or, for better results, consider them both).

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          1. re: big o

            Thanks big o, following your reply I looked up these drinks and they sound great, will definitely give them a spin. For others reading, the basic components I found in a quick google search(hopefully accurate) for these drinks are:

            Greenpoint: Rye, Chartreuse(not sure yellow or green, I saw listed differently in different articles), Sweet Vermouth, Orange Bitters

            Tailspin: Gin, Green Chartreuse, Sweet Vermouth, Orange Bitters

            Champs Elysee: Brandy, Yellow Chartreuse, Lemon Juice, Bitters

            1. re: brettnyc

              You betcha.

              The Tailspin, as I'm familiar with it, is very close to what you turned up: equal measures of gin, green chartreuse, and sweet vermouth, dash of Campari, lemon twist. I believe that using orange bitters instead of Campari produces a Bijou.

              1. re: big o

                Good to know. While we're on the chartreuse theme, I just discovered the Canary Flip, which I will be giving a run soon. I believe it consists of apprx 1 oz each of cognac and yellow chartreuse, an egg, a few dashes fernet branca, 1/2 oz simple syrup, lemon twist--which sounds pretty nice to me right now

          2. I'm afraid I'm a gin man. The Ramos Gin Fizz, Moscow Mule and / or Presbyterian, and the Gershwin (copious rose water) are divine.

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            1. re: D...DF

              Your mention of the Moscow Mule reminds me of how much I like their ginger beer, though I prefer it in a Dark and Stormy. Glad you found your way to the Gershwin, I concur with your assesment...when my girlfriend and I had it we were well into the evening, I'd like to try it again earlier in the set to have a more vivid, crisp memory of the flavors, as opposed a delightfully fuzzy one...

              1. re: brettnyc

                Can anyone tell me how to get in there?

                1. re: ggbrock

                  Hi ggbrock,

                  If youre up for paying $325 a year, there's the membership program--most of the seats at this point are reserved for members. Not sure if they have filled up all the available membership slots or not. Apart from membership, not sure how one would go about getting a res as non-member at this point.

                  1. re: brettnyc

                    Interesting. Do you think the membership fee is worth it? Besides seating, what else (if anything) is included? Thanks.


                    1. re: LeahBaila

                      I love this place and definitely think the fee is worth it. My main question if youre interested would be whether they've already sold all the available slots or not.

                      The membership is indeed really about the seating--having regular access, being able to predictably lock up advance reservations, being able to pop by spontaneously if there's availability, etc.. I believe there has been an article or two around about M & H's transition into a private social club that describes a bit more.

                    2. re: brettnyc

                      brettnyc, are you a paying member currently?

                      1. re: kathryn

                        Hi Kathryn,

                        Yes, I am. Its one of my favorite spots :)

                        1. re: brettnyc

                          Then shouldn't you know about the "no blogging" rule? ;) Or did you not have to sign that part of the contract...

                          1. re: kathryn

                            Hey Kathryn,

                            Damn, if youre being serious per that I totally forgot about it! (wasn't blogging when I signed up so probably glossed over it). Just meant to provide a quick general answer to a hound, not disrespect a house policy. However, I don't think anything was said on here that hasn't been very public info for months with google access and a touch of inclination though. Still, I'll note it. Its funny, when you asked the question I assumed you were wondering if I was an employee rather than member, given the profuse praise :)