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In response to the original post:
Liking Tito's Tacos is simple recipe...
One part nostalgia
Zero parts taste buds
One part cheap
Ten parts cheddar cheese
One part boiled and unseasoned brisket
One part unmemorable salsa
One part smokeI like smoked meats because the smoking process can usually make any meat taste good but the smoke actually refers to the herb that is smoked and causes the smoker to eat a lot of just about anything...
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re: FKA Andrew
so i guess it's all about the cheddar cheese at Tito's.
now i kind of want to try one for the sake of the experiment.
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i went there once b/c some classmates (all of them mexican america) recommended tito's for their tacos. i won't be going back. not because i don't like americanized mexican food, just b/c tito's isn't a very good rendition of it. i used to eat crunchy tacos growing up. shredded beef, lettuce, yellow cheese, hot sauce. i still really like them...just not the ones at tito's.
so, to try and steer this conversation toward something helpful: to everyone who doesn't like the crunchy tacos at titos, what places (in LA) do a good crunchy taco? my favorite places are 60 miles east (riverside) and 360 miles east (phoenix) so something a little closer would be awesome.
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re: waxfondler
DON"T do the tacos. They are OK, but instead get a bean and cheese burrito, and be sure to buy enough both red and green salsa (well, the green is basically diced jalapenos). Comfort food. The beef that's not ground beef is mystery, stay away. Been going 35 years. Oh, and the trick is to go to the inside window to order -faster almost always.
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re: Frommtron
We've removed a large number of posts from this sub-thread -- including, unfortunately, some relatively friendly comments that didn't make sense without the context they were in.
If you want to comment on Tito's food -- whether it's good or bad, or what it aspires to be or doesn't -- that's fine. But the personal comments about other posters tastes, level of knowledge, etc, are unfriendly and unnecessary.
More general discussion about personal tastes vs. dining habits and nostalgia foods that is not specific to Tito's might be better suited to the General Topics board.
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re: The Chowhound Team
Okay. New discussion (including some of the deleted posts) here:
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i guess this is proof that everyone has different tastes in food
i've only been to tito's once, and i am glad to say that i'm keeping it that way, even my friend who doesn't discriminate much when it comes to food was not happy with what was given to us i exchange for our money
it just wasn't impressive, my old high school served better tasting hard shell tacos
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I don't care.. I agree and I just love F^$#ing TITOS. Whenever I get that craving for a fried taco w/ yellow cheese, I find myself in line. I starve myself all day and order 4 tacos w/ cheese, 1 beef, bean and cheese burrito w/ a side of guacawater(yum) red and green salsa. I bring home the chips to make migas for either breakfast, lunch or dinner depending on my schedule that next day.
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For me, the draws are the communal feel of the place, the chili con carne used in the burritos and consistency (food's been the same since the 30+ years I can remember). Everyone knows it's Mexican-ISH food, so don't expect anything more. If you want something closer to a real taco, go nearby to Don Felix, Taqueria Sanchez, etc
Tip: To add some kick to the mild salsa, ask for a side of chopped jalapenos.
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I think the reason for Tito's appeal is that it's on the Westside. You know, because Westsiders don't ever venture east of the 405/LaCienega/La Brea/etc, so for them this is the best Mexican food ever.
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re: Normal Garciaparra
i see this attitude and short sighted inaccuracy pop up on here a bit too often and having lived both on the east side and west side it's pretty frustrating to see. i actually find it works the other way and that on average it's the people living on the east side that don't venture west - and it's not because there's a lack of good food... let's be honest there's no chichen itza, langer's, pie n' burger, yuca's, phillips bbq or for that matter providence, sona or whatever but there are a ton of very good restaurants - tacos por favor and lare's, tamra's tamales for example have considerably better food than tito's. in general i see this kid of thinking on here quite a bit and it usually surfaces in the generic recommendations people make when suggesting west side restaurants, but when someone lays it out like you did i feel it deserves to called. i also would like to see people digging a bit deeper, there is good food on the west side and it's a shame it's kind of being overlooked.
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re: The Old Man
Exhibit A for the defense:
From ElJeffe's current "Best Pizza (NY Style) in LA." thread:
"As I head East of the 405 about twice a year at best, I'm enforcing the strict "LA" qualification..."As a former Westsider - I would say this qualifies as offensive WS chauvinism. That someone could consider that L.A. only exists west of the 405 is just plain stupid. The point is that we Eastsiders realize there IS good and excellent food on the Westside - but we're more than happy (and yes, perhaps smug sometimes) with our choices here. It seems many of our Westside counterparts tend to think there's nothing beyond La Cienega...
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re: dfoldes
yes, but no
there are a ton of places from the west side being talked about on chow, and the attitude you are referring to comes up with places on the east side as well
it's a matter of opinion, some of us are very passionate about certain foods, and when we have something that is not up to par or even close, we are going to say it, as an opinion, not necessarily fact, obviously
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re: fgrade
I think the objection (and I share the same feeling) is that the moment you smear an entire quadrant of LA as being "taste deficient" in one ethnic food area or another you have failed the "taste" and "smell" test as surely as if you had said that "100%" of master sake brewers in Japan are Japanese.
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re: Servorg
that's not what i said at all
if you're going to refer to tito's as a quadrant, then not only have you misinterpreted what i said, you have grossly twisted it, there are good places and bad places to eat on the east side just like the west side, for me, tito's is a bad one on the west side
it doesn't matter who it is that is producing the plates in the kitchen, what matters here is the end result
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re: fgrade
After you replied to dfoldes post (which rightly took exception to Normal Garciappara's remarks about westsiders having questionable taste in Mexican food being the reason for the positive posts about Tito's) I then replied.
In that reply I was offering my opinion as to the fallacy of the argument in Normal Garciappara's post above: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/5919...
I didn't say you in the "you" fgrade sense, but rather in the "you" in the "those who believe what Normal Garciappara said" sense.
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re: dfoldes
My biggest issue with eating on the westside is that, on the whole, things tend to be a lot more expensive. There are exceptions, but if your criteria is (like mine) finding sheer density of inexpensive deliciousness you get a much better bang for your buck by going east rather than west.
For me (and I suspect for many others) it's an issue of economics. By and large, there is a great deal more wealth concentrated on the westside, and a great deal more restaurants that cater to people who can afford a higher dinner bill. It's not so easy for people with less income to afford those expensive westside meals, but the opposite is not necessarily true. Yet for some reason you don't find Boyle Heights taquerias flooded with Priuses and Beemers with "Santa Monica Toyota" license plate frames. Why is that?
Servorg, I await your response and condemnation!
Mr Taster
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re: Mr Taster
If you mine further into your observations, you'll find the answer.
>>By and large, there is a great deal more wealth concentrated on the westside...<<
This concentration of wealth is due to the Real Estate's Rules #1, 2, and 3. Location, location, and location. Like so many things in economics, demand usually plays the key role in price. I've lived here most of my life from when Marina del Rey was a swamp and people laughed at the thought of buying homes in dumps like Venice, Santa Monica, as well as out in the sticks of Palisades and Malibu. But the fresh air, the cool breezes and the lower population density (but getting worse by the day) cannot be replicated. These areas became very popular starting in the late 70s-80s as so many people from the Midwest, back East, and around the world started to migrate to LA. Places from Midtown (I was born and raised there) and so many areas that are demarcated east of the corridors like the 405, La Brea, La Cienega, etc., have sub-par to horrid air quality, worse traffic and population density issues, and other "incurable defects" and population-related issues. These are the main reasons why land is so expensive in the Westside - and this translates into relatively higher overhead costs than say places like Boyle Heights.
>>Yet for some reason you don't find Boyle Heights taquerias flooded with Priuses and Beemers with "Santa Monica Toyota" license plate frames...<<
And while your observation here is true, this can be said about any area-specific population relative to any area. Have you seen the number of non-Westside residents flooding the Westside on weekends, particularly in the summer and particularly to the parks and beaches? I can guarantee that for every Prius or Beemer with a "Santa Monica Toyota" license plate frame that you count in Boyle Heights, you will count hundreds if not thousands of cars with old "Downtown Felix Chevrolet" license plate frames or from any other area parked in the streets and parking structures throughout the Westside, because sitting in a tiny cramped sweltering apartment in a part of town where the viscous air pollutes your lungs. It's all a matter of what resources are important to each individual and where one must go to seek out those resources.
Why people are so eager to variously deride the Westside on this board is a puzzle to me. It seems that to many, if it ain't Langers, Phillipes' (which I personally detest but that a whole other story), or some other "institution," than the area is labeled a wasteland. We have no York Blvd, but we have our share of very respectable Mexican eateries - yes, on the Westside. Tacos Por Favor, Taqueria Sanchez, Tacomiendo, Gallgegos Mexican Deli, Monte Alban, Mariscos Chente, La Oaxaquena and Cemitas Poblanas trucks are good enough for my local rotation. If I happen to be within striking distance of some ethnic-dense eateries, than I'll go for it - I feel if I don't, it's a lost opportunity. Maybe I'm a Chowhound-lite in this sense, but I that's me.
If I'm making a trip specifically for food, it's SGV - the king of ethnic-dense eateries. I can literally make a day of it and as far as it is from the Westside, as thick as traffic can be, and as bad as the air can hit my lungs on a hot inversion-layered day, it is only a day - half a day usually - and I feel fulfilled in my total but brief immersion. I love and respect this and other food-rich areas. While I still choose to live in the Westside, I don't feel a need to slam areas outside of here - just a native Angeleno stating the facts...
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re: Normal Garciaparra
Agreed, Normal. If they want "real tacos" they should head to My Taco on York Blvd. in Highland Park. Also in Highland park is El Arco Iris, also on york. Shoot, there are even a bunch of really quality taco trucks that call HP home. On the Westside, I agree that Tacos Por Favor is the spot. Really solid food with fresh ingredients. Who could ask for more?
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Mmmm, yes I remember MAGO's, a cha siu buritto w/ avocado was very tasty, as well as the cha siu tacos.
Very sweet and sumptious.
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30+ years ago when I moved to LA from NY my east coast friend took me to TT's one day and had the beef burrito. It had big chunks of meaty and what I thought was the Mexican flavor. For a while that was the standard I compared all others to. One day he took me to Mago's where I discovered their fried chicken burrito...who knew Japanese American's could make great Mexican food.
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What makes Tito's so appealing is that it is so entrenched in Americana. As an old established LA eatery, it developed its recipes a long time ago for a population of Americans seeing out a new flavor as well as local Mexican Americans seeking out something familiar with a twist. That's historically how cuisines fuse and become something new. Tito's is just that. It isn't Mexican food. It's American food. And it appeals to many segments of LA's population. Even with me. There are many versions of Tito's-like inventions throughout the country as immigrants bring parts of their native cuisines to the mainstream. A Tito's taco is akin to an east coast Chinese eggroll that seems to get some attention on these boards. As insipid as these are, they inspire nostalgia, just as a Tito's ground beef taco does for someone who enjoyed these at a young age.
Tito's doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is: LA style Mexican American food. From the looks of it, Tito's style food is what inspired chains like Taco Bell, Del Taco and the rest of those Mexican-like chains. It belongs on the same shelf with the likes of the Mission burrito, Chicago pizza, Philly cheesesteaks, Cincinnati chili, NY Chinese food, just to name others.
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re: E Eto
There are plenty of bland eggrolls in the New York City metro area, but when you find a place that does it right, they are anything but insipid.
This is not nostalgia speaking. This is from a very recent visit to NYC, where 70% of my eggroll experiences were generic to awful, but one simply knocked my socks off (If you're curious, it came from an anonymous Chinese/soul food shop with bulletproof glass windows in the Carribbean district of Flatbush Ave, right next to a video shop specializing in blaxploitation flicks... on the corner on the west side of Flatbush)... and throught the miracle of google maps street view, I think this is the place:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&s...
(I don't see the chinese restaurant, but the "Kung Fu Video" awning is a dead giveaway...!
)My limited experience with them (twice, I believe) seems to jive with virtually every other non native Angeleno. Granted, there's only one Tito's Tacos, and they're the very epitome of insipid. Bland, bland, bland.
However, I am willing to give them another shot per my response to theonceler's above post, which definitely piqued my curiosity.....
Mr Taster
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I guess if you grew up in West LA and do not venture east of the 405 very much you might consider it "the best tacos on Los Angeles," fortunately I do not have that problem
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re: Ernie
Tito's is not best of anything, and surely not best of Mexican food. For starter's, it's not Mexican. And, if what you are looking for is Americanized takes on "Mexican" food (read: gloppy food with melted cheese on top and rather generic salsa), there are much much better options. I have no problem with Americanized "Mexican" food; some of it can be tasty. I do find it a bit disturbing that it leads people to believe that they are eating actual Mexican food, but oh well.
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This Valley Girl doesn't get over the hill as often as I used to........yay for jobs close to home...... so it is with much sadness that I read all the critical posts about Tito's. Many moons ago this was definitely THE place for good, unpretentious mexican. My goodness was there anything better than that little styrofoam container filled with that delicate, tender, saucy beef................
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I actually met the daughter of the family; she runs Tito's Tacos. Nice young businesswoman. I didn't have the nerve to tell her what I really thought of the food... but we chatted for a while about how her family created an institution. She was interested in expanding it, I think, but worried about replicating the quality. In truth, the place is so systematic and the ingredients lacking in complexity. It is entirely built around its own mystique. The food is soupy and cheap, the lines long, and the wait unbearable. And their food costs are rock bottom. But people can't stop eating there...
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re: monku
Interesting! I guess that doesn't surprise me. She told me the place generated a tremendous amount of cash. Her biggest issue has been what to do to reinvest the profits. She gets hit up continuously by people who want to "invest" in the concept -- to own a piece of the success, but raising capital is the last problem they have -- and keeping the money/control in the family is the smartest decision. If I'm not impressed by the food, I'm still definitely impressed (envious perhaps?) by the soundness of the business model.
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re: torimo
this joint and the apple pan are two of the greatest business models in la.
i think the apple pan is an even better model. there's an inherent inelastic demand, they keep on increasing the prices, about every 1.5 mos, and bingo presto, people still visit en masse. you gotta luv em.
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re: kevin
Kevin wrote:
>>but it's OPEN FACED<<
I’m not disputing you, Kevin, I just thought it was funny to consider the concept of an open-faced burrito. If it were, indeed, open-faced, wouldn’t it be more like a quesadilla? Or a tostada (on an un-fried tortilla)? I think if a burrito is served open-faced, well, it’s not a burrito anymore.
Semantics, I guess; as long as there’s rice, beans, and cheese, I’ll eat anything, open-faced or not. That includes Paris Hilton.
theonceler wrote:
>>don't consider Don Adrian's a long distance chow destination place but you should try that sandwich<<
I eat there all the time; the fish and jabon sandwiches are, indeed, awesome, especially with extra peppers. Perhaps I’ll try the pigs feet at some point. But I’m wary of their menu item entitled “leg of cattle.” “Leg” being singular, “cattle” being plural, I’ve got to wonder: what exactly is “leg of cattle”?
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in regards to what makes tito's so good it's the same thing as pink's... NOTHING. biggest riddle in LA for me.
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re: orythedog
What COULD make Tito's so good? Absolutely NOTHING! If they changed their tacos, it wouldn't be Tito's anymore that so many of us (regardless of how questionable our tastes may be) have come to know and love over the years. I don't get out that way too much and the last time I ate there was last summer but Tito's was still Tito's.. for what that's worth. To me that is meant in a positive way. The only bad thing I can say about them is they have such stupid music on their website. At least the old Quizno commercials have crazy music but they're funny. Tito's is annoying.
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I'm still cracking up over Kevin's mention of an "open-face burrito."
There's a Mexican sandwich place near me (Don Adrian's Cemitas Poblanas) with a menu listing of "leg of cattle."
Maybe I'm just not cut out for this whole CH thing -- I don't get it.
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I'm embarassed to say that I recently recommended Tito's to someone looking for Tacos Dorados on a recent thread.
In my defense, I hadn't been in years and I could swear I remembered liking them. Well, after driving by Tito's on my way over to Mariscos Chente for the 4th time in as many days I was struck by a strong nostalgic impulse to change plans and go to Tito's instead.
I'm not one to knock an LA institution. I'm an unabashed fan of the Apple Pan, Phillipe's, Langer's, Clifton's, etc. I get the criticisms and I just don't care. Tito's I can't personally support.
I'll just sum up my honest assessment of each component of the famed tacos:
1. The beef was dry and dried out. I found it to taste of salt and . . . well, that's it actually. No beef flavor at all that I could discern.
2. The lettuce was fresh, crisp, iceberg. Well known to offer absolutely no flavor. But it performed it's intended job.
3. The cheese is mild, food-industry grade orange. The label might be stamped cheddar but really, I think we all know what we have here. Nothing special and nothing flavorful.
4. The shell. Alternately hard and dry or oily and soggy. Depended if meat was behind the shell or not. It was a fairly thick shell.
5. The salsa. Clearly made fresh from out of season tomatoes. Perhaps at another time of year the salsa uses higher quality tomato (similar seasonal variations can be found at El Parian). It had very little heat and no noticable chunks of chilli. It was salted seasoned properly and had a welcome acidity from vinegar (clearly white and not cider).For me, it was brutally disgusting and I insantly regretted the detour and the recent post.
Now, if you are nostalgic for that brand of re-interpreted Mexican, I heartily recommend Sky's Tacos on Olympic, near Hauser.
It's a sould food restaurant with a Mexican menu if that makes sense. Ground beef, lettuce, orange cheese tacos that are actually good. The "carnitas" aren't carnitas at all but WOW, whetever it is it was delicious. Not really Mexican food, but then again neither is Tito's.
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re: kevin
Glad to hear from another fan. The place is just great. On paper it's all wrong but somehow they hit a home run for me every time.
I have not tried the open faced shrimp burrito, (Again, doesn't sound at all right when you write it out) but I'll give them a go next. Thanks for the rec.
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re: kevin
It's "La Maison du Pain".... their cinnamon buns are wonderous.
http://www.lamaisondupain.net/
Mr Taster
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they are disgusting bland greaseballs with some kind of weird artificial ingredients mixed in for good measure.
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I love Tito's. I know they are by no means gourmet but there is that combination of textures (the shell that has a gradient of crunch levels from the crisp outside to the tug-and-chew inside where it has mixed with the meat juices), the chew of the beef and the added dimension of the cheese and salsa that I have found nowhere else. They are still my favorite tacos! The last time I ate there, though, I was horrified to see how much weight I put on after that.
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re: WORX4FUDE
It has nothing to do with snobbery. It has everything to do with what tastes good!
http://chowhound.chow.com/manifesto
Mr Taster
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re: wilafur
I think that the naysayers are being a bit harsh.. The chips are good, the salsa very fresh, the beef and bean burrito pretty good, the tacos okay. But heck I have an 11 year old that likes it and perhaps when he is older and his palate expands will like other places. I am just turning him on to the Taco Truck idea and he likes it. Slowly but surely he will come around.. I prefer this over Del taco or Taco Bell for my 11 year old.. So all in all pick your battles..
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For ten years we had been going to Johnnie's Pastrami and noticed the lines at Tito's Tacos. One day we walked over and asked people why they were standing in these long lines. They said they were the best. A couple of years later we finally went--eh. Five years later and we haven't gone back.
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It's the line... by the time you get to the front and actually get your food, you're so hungry you don't care what it tastes like.
(I don't like Tito's tacos. They're greasy and salty instead of being flavourful.)
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re: Das Ubergeek
Almost every time this comes up it seems that hardly anyone acknowledges that the tacos are actually the worst thing on the menu (except maybe the guacamole water... but the dry meat thing in the tacos is really that bad). To pile on titos about the tacos is just beating a straw man... even if the OP seems to like them.
Despite the name, titos tacos is for chips and salsa, beef and cheese burritos, and especially the enchilada... which must be near the top of LA's greatest creations. None of these things has to resemble anything actually existing in mexico to be good. Yellow cheese has its place.
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re: theonceler
theonceler,
Your post actually makes me want to go back to try Tito's again. The tacos and guac water were exactly the two things that turned me off about the place, and that's all I ordered (of course, you'd expect with a name like "Tito's TACOS" that their namesake would be up to par......
Mr Taster
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