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San Diego Closed restaurants from the Down Economy

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I think we should keep track of this and what opens in their place.

Here are some closed restaurants so far:

Chive Restaurant
Gemelli Restaurant
Gemelli Pizza
Side Bar
Cafe Cerise (although it closed before the economic dip)
Ole Madrid
Crudo - Little Italy
Little Italy Bar and Grille
Exy Restaurant
Commonwealth Cafe
Galileo 101
Tesara - Gaslamp
Bully's La Jolla
Turf Club (although I think it moved)
Wine Encounter
Jade Theater
Visions

There are many more I am forgetting.

Please add to thread any I am missing, and what is going to open in its place.

Thanks!

  1. the economy didn't get Turf Club - greedy landlords did. They are up and running in La Mesa now.

    Wine Encounter was closed but has re-opened with new management.

    I didn't know Commonwealth had closed down. That was the place on 30th that claimed "Late Night Eats" but closed at 11-12 correct?

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    1. re: MrKrispy

      Bud's Louisiana- Closed because of greedy landlords also.

      1. re: stevewag23

        But it reopened recently

        1. re: honkman

          Oh yeah, I ran into them one day and they told me about that.

          Bonita?

          1. re: stevewag23

            Tierrasanta

      2. re: MrKrispy

        Commonwealth closed due to permit issues but has reopened in the past few months with new owners. They can no longer stay open into the wee hours (neighbor noise complaints) and now close earlier.

        1. re: Ewilensky

          The Turf Club didn’t move, but is under new management (the old landlords) at its previous location. The previous owners who started the Turf Club opened a new place in La Mesa, The Riviera Supper Club And Turquoise Room.

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          Riviera Supper Club
          7777 University Ave, La Mesa, CA 91941

      3. I'm pretty sure the economy did not get the two Gemelli operations.

        Guild, recently closed, may be a victim though.

        Kinda hard to generalize though given how tough this business is even in the best of times.

        1. As others have pointed out, it's hard to say how much of this is really due to the economy. That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all. I know for myself I'm eating out much less frequently than I used to, and I always tended to eat at moderately priced venues anyway. In this kind of economic climate it seems pretty silly to drop $50 on a meal for two considering how many groceries that same money will buy.

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          1. re: Josh

            The same is true for me, and it seems like the change is permanent. My family has found other ways to entertain ourselves.

          2. Hadn't noticed till recently, Hardrock in LJ is gone, French Pastry on LJ Blvd is now Cass St. Cafe.

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            1. re: cstr

              There was also a Boll Wevell in Bird Rock that was open for five minutes. Anyone been to the new Cass St. location?

              1. re: stevuchan

                Yes, it's very different from the Grill. He's rehired the two principal pastry and bread chefs and they are putting out some very nice product...the croissants are fabulous. The menu is low key offering some of the most popular items from the Grill and he's installed a small wine bar in the dining room. He's changed the interior quite a bit and over all, it's seems to have good potential. This is nothing like the Grill. Give it a try.

                1. re: deckape

                  Thanks for the info, I will try to get over there this weekend.

                  1. re: deckape

                    What restaurant is different from the Grill?

              2. I don't know the reason, but Belgian Frie in PB closed within the past few months. I miss those fries.

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                1. re: dustchick

                  I was so sad about Belgian Frie. I am rarely in PB, but I was a couple of weeks ago and started craving those fires. I drove up and down the street 3 times before I realized it was gone.

                  Sushi on The Rock in Carlsbad has been gone for a few months now

                2. The Turf Club is not closed. It is under new ownership. The previous ownership have opened a similar restaurant in La Mesa, the Riviera. The landlord now operates the original Golden Hill location. Since one restaurant has been replaced by two, this is definitely not a closing.

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                  1. re: juantanamera

                    It's difficult to believe the Turf Club has had landlord issues. It's owned by Timothy May who also owns The Casbah, Southpark Grill, The Whistlestop, and Starlite - he seems like a pretty screwd business man. Has anyone been to the new/old Turf Club in Golden Hill since the change or the new Riviera?

                    1. re: sdnosh

                      Tim didn't own the building. When his lease ran out it was not renewed by the building owner who simply took over the business for more profit.

                      1. re: jdwdeville

                        Even if he didn't own the building, he owns the equipment, possibly the fixtues (depending on how the lease was negotiated), the signage and the name. Why not move the whole concept of the Turf Club including the name considering it is such a well established, sucessfull restaurant. I doesn't make sense.

                  2. Just read this in the UT online -

                    Dussini Mediterranean Bistro will close Feb. 1 and The Old Spaghetti Factory will open Feb. 23. The Dussini Loft Bar will remain open to guests on the upper floor, the restaurant chain said in a news release.

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                    1. re: rotie77

                      Good news. I don't care about the food or drinks at Dusini but the bar upstairs was a nice place to play some pool.

                      1. re: rotie77

                        Ew. I was so happy when Spaghetti Factory closed. That place sucked.

                        1. re: Josh

                          Its been so long since I went to Spaghetti Factory. (Like 20 years).

                          Wasn't Spaghetti Factory the height of downtown San Diego haute cuisine back in those days?

                        2. re: rotie77

                          Yum, Spaghetti Factory, you can do better with a can of Spaghetti O's.

                          1. re: rotie77

                            The Old Spaghetti Factory's food was middle class red house pasta, but it packed the tourists in. Dussini never found its mark with higher prices, little focus and slow service. Same owners.

                            1. re: uptownron

                              "but it packed the tourists in"

                              Back in the days of minimal competition.

                              They tried to cash in on the striped shirt mortgage broker crowd, but miss timed the market.

                            2. re: rotie77

                              Does the world really need another Spaghetti Factory?

                            3. Cilantro the raw food concept has closed all three of it's outlets.

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                              1. re: DiningDiva

                                Boy, is that a non-surprise.

                                1. re: The Old Man

                                  Yeah, I know.

                                  1. re: The Old Man

                                    Heh, amen brother.

                                2. Vine Ripe in La Mesa on Fletcher has closed its doors...they're suppesedly looking for another location to re-open. I hope so...we enjoyed not only the store, but the attached grill, as well.

                                  Has Dining Diva heard anything?

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                                  1. re: DBrooks

                                    Oh not, not Vine Ripe too. I liked the attached grill as well. Hadn't heard anything about Vine Ripe, but it's a hard location.

                                    1. re: DiningDiva

                                      Yeah. Last ad was dated Dec 9. Back to El Cajon for me.

                                      1. re: DiningDiva

                                        Damn! I was there right after Christmas and there was no indication that they were in trouble. The grill there was a regular weekend lunch spot for me.

                                        1. re: Divamac

                                          They had just put up a sign advertising that they were serving breakfast at the grill part, but we never got a chance to check it out

                                    2. Hard Rock Hotels bars shut down.

                                      I had a feeling that "Vegas" in San diego would not work.

                                      http://www3.signonsandiego.com/storie...

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                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                        Another, so not a surprise...

                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                          That closure is a management dispute between hotel ownership and club management company headed by Randy Gerber. Owners trying to oust him and cut the remaining years of his contract. They want to run it themselves.

                                          1. re: foodiechick

                                            This would be his version. There's is that he security staff were beating up customers.

                                            1. re: foodiechick

                                              No doubt because the hotel is hurting for money.

                                          2. Visions, that sub-par sushi place that closed looks like it is being turned into "Griffs Sports Grille".

                                            It seems like there are two types of places that succeed in San diego:

                                            1. Americanized Sushi Bars
                                            2. Sports "Grilles"

                                            When one closes, give the other a try.

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                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                              Well, that's a pretty generalized sweeping statement.

                                              How well a sports "grille" does is probably directly proportional to how closely it's located to SDSU, UCSD, USD or a neighborhood with a higher number of under 30 residents.

                                              You seem to imply that there is something less than or undesirable about Americanized sushi bars and sports "grilles"?

                                              1. re: DiningDiva

                                                Agreed. It was a pretty sweeping statement.

                                                Sometimes it just seems that in San Diego, the lowest common denominator works.

                                                Especially in the Gaslamp.

                                                It will be sad when its Sushi Bar - Sports Bar - Sushi Bar - Sports bar on every street.

                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                  Or, they could combine the concept, and open up a "Seau's" on every other block.

                                                  1. re: RB Hound

                                                    Ha.

                                                    Good one.

                                                    You can't say that Junior Seau isn't a visionary.

                                              2. re: stevewag23

                                                Twenty years ago, it would have been:
                                                One Italian restaurant closed, and another opened in the same location... ;-)

                                                I liked the bumper sticker back then:
                                                "Honk if you don't own an Italian Restaurant"

                                              3. This whole topic makes me sad. I can't honestly say I will mourn any of the restaurants listed above, (except maybe Chive, and Cafe Cerise) and I think a fair number of them might have been doomed regardless - but I agree that because of the economy we're likely to lose a number of independent mid to upper range restaurants in SD over the next year or so. I won't name names because rumors of closing are the ultimate kiss of death, but I can think of several off the top of my head whose days I believe are numbered.

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                                                1. re: Alice Q

                                                  Name some names!

                                                  I really think that the corporate chains in the Gaslamp will get hit harder than the local independent places.

                                                  Places like Cafe Chloe, Starlight, Jaynes Gastropub and other places similar that cater to locals should be able to weather the storm.

                                                  The "gouge the locals and gouge the conventioneer" places are going to feel the sting.

                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                    "I really think that the corporate chains in the Gaslamp will get hit harder than the local independent places."

                                                    Not necessarily. The chains will probably have deeper pockets and deeper resources than the indy operators. The chais will have some units that are top performers (i.e. generate good revenue and/or profits) that can help defray the losses from the units that are struggling. The deeper the pockets or resources the longer the operator will be able to hold on in a shifting economy.

                                                    Don't foget, we're seeing cut backs, declines and decreases to a degree that has not been seen in 25-30 years. There are several generations that have never lived through an economic recession of this magnitude. It's not exactly business as usual. Conventional wisdom would seem to indicate that businesses that are stable and well run would have the best chance for survival. I hope that is true because I certainly get no pleasure from seeing someone's business and/or life's work fail. If the business cycle continues to decline and go through this correction it's in, we very well could see some well run places throw in the towel. Those with the funding, the vision and the guts to hang in there will probably succeed. The Red Lobster and Olive Gardens of the world aren't going anywhere any time soon.

                                                    1. re: DiningDiva

                                                      Point well taken.

                                                      I guess it really comes down to who has the cash and staying power.

                                                      Places with high price point, regardless of chain or local are in for a rough one.

                                                      Certainly local places that "gouge the locals and gouge the conventioneer" are in for real trouble (ie EXY and Osetra)

                                                      1. re: DiningDiva

                                                        I'm sad to say I agree with DiningDiva, smaller, neighborhoody local places will feel the pinch as us locals tighten our belts. Corporate places will just lower their profit margin a bit and survive. Business travel will go down, expense accounts will be tighter, but conventions won't stop, so all those insipid places in the gaslamp will survive.

                                                      2. re: stevewag23

                                                        I agree with DD. I am much more afraid that good local places will have a hard time to survive. Just to give an example: We go to Cafe Chloe very regular but we have never seen before as recently on a Saturday that we had no problems to get a table at 8pm (at least half of the tables were empty) and that we were the last guests at 10pm and they closed after we left.

                                                        1. re: honkman

                                                          I am really sorry to hear that Honkman. I really like Cafe Chloe too. I hope they've got the ability to weather the economic storm.

                                                          1. re: DiningDiva

                                                            I think they'll be fine. They are open all day, so they have a pretty steady stream of customers. They also have a great happy hour deal going right now, called four five six - three groups of appetizers and drinks - for four, five and six bucks. (The frites are four) Between what times? You guessed it, four and six.

                                                          2. re: honkman

                                                            was there for lunch on Tuesday and it was a packed house

                                                            1. re: honkman

                                                              sad to hear Cafe Chloe was empty and I really hope they survive this recession. They have one of the best pomme frites and dips in the city. However, it's motivating us to head down there again since it looks like it's easier to get a table.

                                                            2. re: stevewag23

                                                              I don't know if I really count those, since they sort of rotate in and out anyway. I think Osetra wasn't long for this world regardless of the economy. I also disagree that the corporate owned places will feel the sting - it's the independents that will feel the squeeze of higher food prices and fewer customers. It's a tough time to own a restaurant right now.

                                                          3. Heat Supper Club in the gaslamp closed.

                                                            Now it is Stage Bar and Grill.

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                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                              Is it new owners or new concept.

                                                              I don't think you really classify a restaurant with "going out of business" unless there is a change of ownership or the owner(s) walk away. If a venue closes and reopens as a different concept but with the same owners, they've simply just reinvented themselves and we all do that all the time. In fact, I'd venture to guess that the operations that weather the economic storm the best will those that are adept at recreating themselves in order to stay in business.

                                                              1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                "In fact, I'd venture to guess that the operations that weather the economic storm the best will those that are adept at recreating themselves in order to stay in business."

                                                                I find this an odd comment. Wouldn't restaurants that have consistently provided good food and service at a fair price be natural survivors? Why would a restaurant have to reinvent themselves if their current model was working?

                                                                1. re: The Old Man

                                                                  "Why would a restaurant have to reinvent themselves if their current model was working?"

                                                                  I agree. There is no need to change if its working.

                                                                  Hence Dussini turning back into the Old Spagetti Factory.

                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                    Is that what's happening or is that a joke?

                                                                    1. re: The Old Man

                                                                      Yes it is happening. And it is a "joke". Unreal.

                                                                      http://www3.signonsandiego.com/storie...

                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                        That's amazing. I guess their upscale concept was a failure (actually I never heard of Dussini). At the same time you'd have beat me senseless to get me into the Old Spaghetti Factory.

                                                                        1. re: The Old Man

                                                                          Let's hope neither happens.

                                                                  2. re: The Old Man

                                                                    If the current model *is* working and the operator has his/her head above water financially and enough captial, then no, they shouldn't need to reinvent their restaurant. But what's a fair price. What you or I may think of as fair (i.e. good price or value for the meal) someone else may think is overpriced and not fair. "Fair" is a pretty subjective term.

                                                                    In the business world in which we've been living good food and good service should be enough to keep a healthy operator in business. This is true and I agree. What we don't know for any restaurant are the operating costs - labor, rent, utilities, advertising/printing, laundry, insurance, equipment repair and, of course, the what it costs to put good food on the table. It doesn't matter how good the food or the service is if the other expenses are too high to deal with. In normal times a good restaurant *would* be a natural survivor. We're not in normal times.

                                                                    Do I think every restaurant in this city is going to go belly up? No, of course, not. Nor do I think every restaurant needs to reinvent themselves. The dynamic and paradigm are shifting and we're all having to feel our way through things no matter what industry we're in. A solid restaurant should not have to reinvent itself but there may need to be some tweaking, modifications, alterations, whatever done in order to ensure profitability, survival and that it continues to meet the needs of an ever changing and increasingly nervous and budget minded dining customer.

                                                                    Your point is well taken, a restaurant serving good food and providing good service at prices most people consider to be fair and equitable probably can survive. My guess is that it won't look or do business 5 years from now like it does now.

                                                                    1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                      Excellent points.

                                                                      "tweaking, modifications, alterations" are all smart buisness moves.

                                                                      I just find it amazing when a place Completely Reverts back to how it was before (ie Dussini to Old Spagetti Factory).

                                                                      I think it really speaks volumes to the economy and how San Diego is changing. (and changing back to how it once was).

                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                        "I just find it amazing when a place Completely Reverts back to how it was before (ie Dussini to Old Spagetti Factory)."

                                                                        This would be a fun game. I can't think of any other time this has happened before. Perhaps Chilango's? But I thought it's not the original.

                                                                        1. re: The Old Man

                                                                          I was told by a manager at the time, that the reason that they switched concepts at the OSF location was that the new restaurant was a lot smaller than the old space. The Hard Rock took the back half of the space. I now think that they thought they could make a killing on the petco and convention crowd. I guess a full house with people paying 15 bucks for a meal, beats a quarter full restaurant at 40 bucks a head.

                                                                    2. re: The Old Man

                                                                      @Old Man

                                                                      Sometimes is doesn't matter how good of food and service you provide, if your landlord gets too greedy you can't pay the rent simple as that.

                                                                      1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                        Shouldn't blame greedy landlords as the sole root cause of failure, I don't think and restaurant owners arms were twisted to sign a lease. I believe many resto owners never create a proforma P&L to determine Operating Costs, Food & Beverage Costs and then to see if they could price an entree that would sell and leave them with some profit. The rental market 'was' tough in SD but that's changing as well, maybe they won't need to own the property to make a go of an eating establishment. OK, that was my 2 cents.

                                                                2. The long-standing Sun Café, a popular place to grab breakfast on the cheap, is closed and slated to reopen as a Mexican restaurant, says Jimmy Parker, director of the Gaslamp Quarter Association, a trade group that promotes businesses within the district.

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                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                    Sun Cafe closed..sad..I really liked that place for a cheap breakfast.

                                                                    My concern on dining is the freshness of the product..they might want to hold on to things a little longer than I would like...I am already seeing things that normally would not of gone out...I can just imagine what else is going on.

                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                      I hope they keep the building and interior the way it is for preservation's sake. I believe the Sun Cafe has been in continuous operation since it was first opened by the Obayashi family, though it has since changed ownership. There used to be a thriving Japanese-American community clustered around Island St. and 5th Ave. There's something about that shop that reminds me of the Far East Cafe in L.A.'s Little Tokyo, though I've never eaten at either one.

                                                                      In fact I was just in downtown on Saturday and noticed a new banner in front of the Sun Cafe.

                                                                      Apparently the Obayashi family also opened a restaurant named Miyako in the 50's, which even featured sashimi on their menu at a whopping $1.25!

                                                                      Here's a pic I took some time ago of the two Obayashi sisters in front of Sun Cafe: http://www.flickr.com/photos/akatayam...

                                                                      1. re: cgfan

                                                                        The sign still remains with some alterations.

                                                                        It is now called "Funky Garcias". (No, that is not a joke, that is really what its called).

                                                                    2. Max New York Steakhouse is closed until February 2009
                                                                      and will re-open under the name Urban Bar and Grill.

                                                                      1. Las Hadas Bar and Grille opens where Chive stood.

                                                                        1. Yesterday night I drove on Girard Ave in LJ and it looks like that Truffles Cafe is closed.

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                                                                          1. re: honkman

                                                                            It did, a couple of weeks ago.

                                                                            1. re: foodiechick

                                                                              Is Girard Gourmet still open ? Yesterday it looked like it was closed.

                                                                              1. re: honkman

                                                                                Wow, that would be incredible if it did.

                                                                                That place has been open at least 20 years, hasn't it?

                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                  Used to be a Mrs. Fields.

                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                    Oooops, thought you were referring to Truffles Cafe.

                                                                                  2. re: honkman

                                                                                    As far as I know, walked by it this weekend.

                                                                                    1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                      Good, because it seemed to look like the windows were covered with newspapers yesterday

                                                                                      1. re: honkman

                                                                                        Walked by on the way from bank this afternoon. Open, nothing changed. You may have mistaken the paper in the windows with another retail store or the previously mentioned Truffles Cafe.

                                                                              2. Martini Ranch closed and is now Double Deuce.

                                                                                Not sure if it is same owners.

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                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                  Wow, that was my favorite place downtown for overpriced drinks and crappy club music.

                                                                                  1. re: meadandale

                                                                                    I was forced to go to the north county version once.

                                                                                    Believe it or not, it was actually worse.

                                                                                2. Blue Coral Seafood in LJ Aventine complex is closed (may have happened long ago). New (looks almost complete) construction is under way behind a fence and the new occupant will be FL based chain "Truluck's Seafood". Ugh.

                                                                                  http://www.trulucks.com/locations.php

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                                                                                  1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                    I walked by Lot 81 the other day and saw that it had closed and a BBQ place is opening in its place. I never made it there but it was not open long.

                                                                                    1. re: sdaints

                                                                                      Inside knowledge:

                                                                                      As for lot 81, It will now become "Frankie the Bull's" Grill, Named after the top chef contestant Francis Joseph Terzoli.

                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                        cool thanks, wasn't sure what to make of the Top Chef thing on the sign. I didn't know that there was someone from San Diego on that season.

                                                                                    2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                      I never went to Blue Coral Seafood, but this one idiot I used to work with claimed it was "the best place for sushi in san diego".

                                                                                      Then again, I think sushi to him ment California Rolls.

                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                        Well, technically, and emotionally, California rolls ARE sushi. They not only meet the definition, but my grandparents (1st generation, sent to the internment camps and everything) always made California rolls, or similar, for big parties when I was little. They are really easy to make large quantities of, and are a Japanese family party classic.

                                                                                        1. re: pkt63

                                                                                          I got you.

                                                                                          I think you understood my point.

                                                                                      2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                        Never heard of "Truluck's Seafood".

                                                                                        On a positive note, it looks like they have Florida Stone Crabs.

                                                                                        A first in SD, to my knowledge.

                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                          We have some great stone crabs caught right here in San Diego. Why spent all the time, fuel, and money importing stone crabs from across the continent when you can have great fresh locally caught stone crabs instead?

                                                                                          1. re: oerdin

                                                                                            "We have some great stone crabs caught right here in San Diego."

                                                                                            Not in any world that resembles reality.

                                                                                            Maybe if you import them from Florida then drop them in the Pacific and catch them.

                                                                                            "The Florida stone crab, Menippe mercenaria, is a crab found in the western North Atlantic, from North Carolina to Belize, including Texas, the Gulf of Mexico, Cuba and the Bahamas." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_...

                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                              Not sure about the species but "stone crab claws" are a major part of the local crab catch according to NOAA's fish report.

                                                                                              Edit: They're called "rock crabs" not "stone crabs" mostly red and yellow rock crabs. My mistake.

                                                                                              http://www.nwrc.usgs.gov/wdb/pub/spec...

                                                                                            2. re: oerdin

                                                                                              "Why spent all the time, fuel, and money importing stone crabs from across the continent when you can have great fresh locally caught stone crabs instead?"

                                                                                              Because they are insanely good.

                                                                                              Plus, it helps out the economy.

                                                                                          2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                            Blue Coral Seafood...Corporate Chain Restaurant Death.

                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                              I had the worst ahi dish of my life at that place. It was Chain hell, I think were owned by some of the Flemings Steak peeps. And Trulucks Seafood is more of the same. Why would you bring Florida seafood to Cal. If you love Florida Stone Crabs take a trip to Miami. I just really view it as an insult, but the masses may buy into it.

                                                                                              1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                "If you love Florida Stone Crabs take a trip to Miami."

                                                                                                I do.

                                                                                                And I ship them in, which you can do with Joe's Stone Crabs.

                                                                                                Or you can go to Joe's in Las Vegas or Chicago.

                                                                                                I wouldn't look at it as an insult.

                                                                                                I think it is more of an Insult that a chain like Oceanaire has become the best seafood (in my opinon) restaurant in San Diego (which ships in tons of seafood from other places...and lots of east coast oysters and shellfish).

                                                                                                I with someone local would step up.

                                                                                                It is easier just to enjoy the good food.

                                                                                              2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                They were also in that cursed corner location at the Aventine. There's been so many restaraunts that have come and gone in that spot.

                                                                                              3. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                Hmmm, I give them a year max. the menu looks real corporate. It is one of those places that looks like why bother. they have steaks, gee you can go to flemings next door or up the street to donovans for probably a better steak. They have some southern dishes on the menu, and that never went over well in SD. Fish, well I would rather have fresh west coast stuff, than fish from the atlantic. Maybe I never grew up with stone crabs, so I don't get the allure, they seemed just ok to me when I had them in Fla. Give me a fresh Dungy any day

                                                                                                1. re: littlestevie

                                                                                                  I agree, there is no reason why Trulucks Seafood will work when Blue Coral did not.

                                                                                                  Pretty interchangable.

                                                                                                  I grew up on both coasts.

                                                                                                  Try Stone crabs again.

                                                                                                  I rate them:

                                                                                                  1. Blue Crab
                                                                                                  2. Stone Crabs
                                                                                                  3. Peekytoe
                                                                                                  4. Dungeness
                                                                                                  5. King

                                                                                                  But I love them all. (Save maybe King)

                                                                                                2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                  The Aventine complex is like the cast of Gilligan's island - it's Japengo, Flemings (though I wonder how well they are doing in this economy), "and the rest.." Though, it seems that the Melting Pot still exists, for some reason that escapes me.

                                                                                                  My wife and I had a few good dinners at 808 La Jolla - I was sorry to see it close.

                                                                                                  1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                    We were at Flemings (don't ask why) midweek and it was PACKED. 20 minutes for a table, both special event rooms filled, bar 3-deep. Took 30 minutes to receive our dinners from time ordered. NEVER going back.

                                                                                                    1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                      if it was this midweek, it was probably due to Torrey Pines golf event.
                                                                                                      I would write to corporate with your displeasure on wait times.

                                                                                                      1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                        You're right, that's not typical for mid-week, except for HH.

                                                                                                        1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                          Foodiechick - just to clarify, was this Wednesday or Thursday last week (February 4 or 5)? You were aware that the PGA Buick Invitational golf tournament was last week, weren't you?

                                                                                                          Eating out in the La Jolla-UTC area in that week is a very trying, and often disappointing, experience. That's when one should go at least 10 miles away from the Golden Triangle for dining out (or better yet, simply hole up that week and be creative in the kitchen).

                                                                                                          1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                            The problem was not the food (although I've never thought it was anything special), it was the service...and a complete lack of communication. I've had better service at another venue when we accidently stumbled in during a Governator fundraiser.

                                                                                                        2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                          Why will you never go back? Those wait times sound pretty reasonable for a packed restaurant. Was the food unsatisfactory? I have no opinion on Flemings, I'm just curious.

                                                                                                    2. LOT 81 will be missed, especially their Angus burger was superb; best I've had, followed by El Camino Real Grill at SE corner of La Costa Ave & El Camino Real, La Costa.
                                                                                                      The new operatorn promises they will continue the Angus, and their BBQ will beat Phil's on Sports Arena.
                                                                                                      Already closed is the Surfer's Grill at the P. B. Promenade, the 3rd attempt after Da Kine left after years there.

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                                                                                                      1. re: itsmechuck

                                                                                                        El Camino Grill in La Costa closed and is now Grubby's Pizza....
                                                                                                        and is now closed! That was fast!

                                                                                                      2. Filippe's in Encinitas is closed. Ate there 1 week & it was closed the next week. We liked it. So sorry.

                                                                                                        1. Is Tacos Mi Pueblo closed in Santee? I tried to go there on Sunday and then again on Wed and both times it was dark and nobody was there. I wanted to try out some Al Pastor but it doesnt look like they are open.

                                                                                                          1. Heard Bully's Del Mar is closed as well.

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                                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                              The only one left standing is Mission Valley, I was there Tues., pretty empty but, a good burger.

                                                                                                              1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                We were there week and a half ago at dinner and it was packed! Different owner than La Jolla and Del Mar, but still fingers crossed.

                                                                                                              2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                I just checked and Bully's Del Mar is open . Going for a burger this afternoon.

                                                                                                              3. Mellow Wine Bar in Liberty Station is RIP.

                                                                                                                Word on the street is Wine Steals cannibalized them.

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                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                  How could Wine Steals cannibalize them? WS opened at least a year earlier. I always thought it was odd that among the first 10 or so businesses that opened in the rather limited mall, were wine bars. Could it be that the greedy landlords cannibalized them? Just a thought.

                                                                                                                  1. re: rotie77

                                                                                                                    OOps...was Mimosa (me) that posted above comment forgetting to log out Mr Rotie. His opinions are his, the above are mine.

                                                                                                                2. According to Food Buzz SD, Parallel 33 in Mission Hills closed it's doors last Saturday night after 9 1/2 years - New owners to come.

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                                                                                                                  1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                    I wonder how many of these closings are due to the economic times as opposed to the natural order of the food business. Restaurants have the highest mortality rate of most if not all businesses even in good economic times. For example, in the case of Parallel 33 you have a challenging location with no parking combined with a chef driven restaurant who's very well know chef/owner departed a bit ago (I don't remember the timing but it was before the downturn). With the identity of the food and restaurant so closely tied to the chef, I wondered how it would fare after her departure. I think the same question can be asked of several of the restaurants mentioned in the original and subsequent posts. Another example is EXY. Huge space, sky high rent, questionable location. There could have been other factors such as a limited market for upscale fusion greek cuisine and ridiculous name. Don't get me wrong, I do believe the economy has severely hit the restaurant industry, but it is not the sole factor in the failure of all of the businesses mentioned.

                                                                                                                    1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                      "I wonder how many of these closings are due to the economic times as opposed to the natural order of the food business. Restaurants have the highest mortality rate of most if not all businesses even in good economic times."

                                                                                                                      That was the point I made when this thread started. It's all assumption.

                                                                                                                      1. re: The Old Man

                                                                                                                        I don't see a point to this list either. You can't go check out a restaurant once it's closed, and new restaurant openings are invariably mentioned in other threads anyway.

                                                                                                                        It would be more useful, albeit more difficult, to find out which restaurants are in danger of closing due to the economy and give people heads-up to go support the restaurants that they like.

                                                                                                                        1. re: zompus

                                                                                                                          I thought it would be interesting to see it all in one place.

                                                                                                                          Obviously other poster do as well.

                                                                                                                          It is better find see it all in one place than searching all around chowhound like a chimp right?

                                                                                                                          Consider it a "resource page" if it makes you feel better.

                                                                                                                          1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                            This was what I set out to do up here in the central SJ valley. Simply have an alphabetical list that anyone could update for not just closures, but also changes. Turns out posters find it easier to just report new information, no problem, once or twice a month I just copy the prior list, add the updates and repost. No great effort on my part and it seems to be serving the purpose.

                                                                                                                            Check it out at this link and let me know if there's a way to improve it. TIA

                                                                                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/571492

                                                                                                                            Cheers,

                                                                                                                            Dave

                                                                                                                      2. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                        Did Amiko Gubbins leave?

                                                                                                                        We will never know for sure what "role" the down economy played.

                                                                                                                        Bottom line restaurants close (generally speaking) because of lack of cash flow in.

                                                                                                                        Sure there are other factors in San Diego: Idiotic names, retarded concepts, greedy landlords, dentists turned restaurateurs, horrible service, crap locations, overpriced food, chefs that suck.

                                                                                                                        Edit:

                                                                                                                        I guess Amiko left back in May '08

                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                          She left to become Lenny Kravitz personal chef is what I'd read somewhere....

                                                                                                                          1. re: keena

                                                                                                                            I thought I read somewhere that she went to go work for Specialty Produce.

                                                                                                                            1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                              She did, but parted ways with them about a week ago.

                                                                                                                      3. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                        ...would have been 10 years this September. the attached bar/restaurant space Blue Lotus was an absolute favorite place of mine to hear music and eat. the chef who took over, Benjamin Moore, was damn talented. it's freakin sad, really. that place MADE the neighborhood.

                                                                                                                        1. re: jdwdeville

                                                                                                                          Yeah, real sad.

                                                                                                                          That place kind of "ushered in" the boutique dining wave of san diego this decade.

                                                                                                                          Chive first.

                                                                                                                          Now Parallel.

                                                                                                                          Brutal.

                                                                                                                        2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                          Ric Libiran, owner of Cafe Bleu, is mixing up his color palette this summer with the opening of The Red Door. Currently undergoing a major face-lift in the Mission Hills spot vacated by Parallel 33 in February, The Red Door is expected to be up and dishing contemporary American bistro fare by late June or early July. - From the trib.

                                                                                                                          1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                            Looking forward to having a neighborhood option.

                                                                                                                        3. Yellow Coyote in the Carlsbad forum has closed. It looks like they slipped out in the middle of the night. Menus are ready, Silverware is ready and chairs are out, But there is a UPS sticker on the door from feb 6th. The place never really worked, service sucked, and the management seemed indifferent at best. I don't want to sound like T.O.M. but I am not suprised. Just curious to see what is going in. That mall has not filled the old Sushi on the Rock space. The rents must be astronomical in that mall

                                                                                                                          1. Old news but add Bistro D'Asia to the list. What works in Coronado doesn't in University Heights...

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                                                                                                                            1. re: Charlie SanDiego

                                                                                                                              I heard the Coronado location is laughable as well.

                                                                                                                              Bad Service. Worse food.

                                                                                                                            2. New Listing - Sushi on the Rock on Girard. Don't think it affects the upstairs second location on Prospect.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                The Belgian Frie on Mission Blvd as well as the PB rotisserie are closed... Too bad, I really liked these two places...

                                                                                                                              2. That's a shame about Parallel 33. I loved that place. I live out in philly now so it's nice to get updated on closings. I come back a couple times a year and I have my list of places that are an absolute must. Cafe Chloe, Nine Ten, Jayne's Gastropub, AR Valentien, Sushi Ota, Mama's Bakery... I could go on forever. I gotta be honest I don't know how people go to Flemings. Everything is so greasy. I'm not spending 50 bucks on a steak. The sides aren't good. Most of them taste like they've been microwaved. I went twice once to the bar for apps and drinks and then for dinner. That was the last time. Definitely not worth it. There are too many other great places to spend your money.

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                                                                                                                                1. re: neener41

                                                                                                                                  Amen, RIP P33!

                                                                                                                                  FYI Sidebar is coming back this spring

                                                                                                                                  1. re: glandious

                                                                                                                                    I used to go to Parallel 33 a lot but it had kind of fallen off my list. Went last summer for my birthday and have to admit it was a disappointment. Nothing good lasts forever, I guess.

                                                                                                                                2. Just drove by Daily's on Prospect in LJ, a new sign is up 'opening soon Joey's BBQ'. This ought to be interesting.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                    That can't be good. No self-respecting BBQ person would open a restaurant in that corporate building.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                      Daily Grill?

                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                        Not sure if it was just Daily's or Daily grill. Sort of a sandwich kind of deli on the ground floor of what used to be the FEDEX building on Prospect across from (what used to be Hard Rock Cafe.)

                                                                                                                                    2. It hasn't closed, but a month or so ago our Sunday brunch reservation at The Better Half was canceled. They said they aren't getting enough business to do it right now. Pretty sad, I loved the two meals I've had there and I was looking forward to trying their brunch.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: Pentagarn

                                                                                                                                        Chef Kennedy will start Sunday brunch in the near future again but due to the cold weather they are not getting enough customers in the moment. In addition, since he is now owner and chef he resonsible for everything and is still working on business paperwork and more changes to the interior and wine menu (wines by the glass, full bottles, more half bottles etc.). He is also currently changing the menu completely (which will change more frequently in the future and will be also regularly (daily) updated on their soon new webpage) and he mentioned that he is simply happy to have a half day of on Sunday morning without the Sunday brunch in the moment. Give them 1-2 months and he will start the Sunday brunch again.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                          No disrespect to Chef Kennedy and his establishment but perhaps, now that he is the Chef and the owner, he should surround himself by people he can delegate to.. Why is he doing the wine list? It seems to be that his plate is full and that can be dangerous.. Just a thought... but I wish them well, San Diego needs to support these type of restaurants.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: jaysurf12

                                                                                                                                            As far as I know he has somebody who is responsible for the wine list but my understanding is that he is currently very involved in some general changes with the current concept of the wine list. (And I guess it is also for him simply a learning process how much he is involved with everything).

                                                                                                                                          2. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                            hey honkman, since you seem quite in the know there, zubin is out completely? i did always trust his wine knowledge. that said, it was chef Kennedy's food that absolutely MADE my birthday last year (crab beignets! oh man...) so I wish him the best, he is the type of chef I hope to see more of...

                                                                                                                                            1. re: jdwdeville

                                                                                                                                              Yes, Zubin and his wife are completely out of the Better Half.
                                                                                                                                              I also recommend to get a special tasting menu from Chef Kennedy for your next birthday (you have to call him a few days before and he won't do it on Friday or Saturday when they are too busy). I had one for my last birthday and it was the best meal in San Diego last year. All dishes are always made specifically for the tasting menu and are not available on the regular menu (e.g. souffle, escagot, sweatbreads, foie gras etc.)

                                                                                                                                              1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                Sounds great.

                                                                                                                                                What does the special tasting menu typically run? Ballpark?

                                                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                  The last time in December was $60-65.

                                                                                                                                          3. re: Pentagarn

                                                                                                                                            Nevermind, I see the closing was reported further down.

                                                                                                                                          4. Saw sign saying Sushi Fix in Little Italy is RIP.

                                                                                                                                            Phone # disconnected too.

                                                                                                                                            1. Add La Trattoria in Santee to the list. Closed as of last Saturday

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                Wow, that stinks. They were one of the few bright spots in the East County wasteland...

                                                                                                                                              2. I saw a sign today in LJ where the old Hard Rock was, 'Opening soon French 101'. Oh boy, can't wait.

                                                                                                                                                1. Ole madrid is being gutted and redesigned...don't know the name yet, but I do know that the owner of airport lounge, mauricio, is designing it...supposed to be "out there" conceptually

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                                                                                                                                                  1. re: missthemis

                                                                                                                                                    It is called "voyeur"

                                                                                                                                                  2. Is Hula's in Hillcrest closed for good?

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: binkychow

                                                                                                                                                      I heard it's being turned into a "Fiesta Cantina", just like the location in West Hollywood.

                                                                                                                                                    2. Epazote in Del Mar Plaza.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                        Really?

                                                                                                                                                        Any details on this?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                          Only that is reopening sometime in May with a new name. Not sure of type of concept or if it is same owner (after spending about a million renovating just about 1 1/2 years ago). My source is keeping some details close to the vest.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for the info.

                                                                                                                                                            Last summer was the slowest summer up in Del Mar in recent memory.

                                                                                                                                                            Had to hurt.

                                                                                                                                                            I bet they are rushing to get open by May...

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                          Epazote won't be missed by me, that's for sure. I found it's food, before and after the change, to be lackluster and overpriced. The atmosphere also seemed like a tackier version of Scottsdale; out of the ordinary for SD.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ginael

                                                                                                                                                            I never dug the food either.

                                                                                                                                                            But tackier than Scottsdale?

                                                                                                                                                            Is that possible?

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                              It's only tackier because, unlike Scottsdale, Epazote is/was in a town that has a relaxing, beautiful, confident vibe. Del Mar deserves better than this restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ginael

                                                                                                                                                                "a town that has a relaxing, beautiful, confident vibe"

                                                                                                                                                                Back in the days of Bing Crosby.

                                                                                                                                                                Nowadays, its getting more and more similar to any other un-classy town.

                                                                                                                                                                Long live The Turf Club: The last bastion of class.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ginael

                                                                                                                                                                  by "confident vibe" do you mean exclusive, snobbish, and peppered with Trust Fund brats?

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                    Possibly.

                                                                                                                                                                    Only these days "exclusive, snobbish, and peppered with Trust Fund brats" means dressing and acting with no class.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                      Sheesh times move so fast next thing I know Board and Brew will be taking reservations haha

                                                                                                                                                          2. Grappa Restaurant/ Legends across from CAL STATE San Marcos...

                                                                                                                                                            1. Parallel 33 CLOSED????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First Region, now Parallel, I had not heard they closed. This sucks.

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Dagney

                                                                                                                                                                Boll Wevil in Point Loma also closed. Did all the boll Wevils close?

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                                                                  The one on Clairmont Mesa Blvd by the Registrar of Voters is still open, as are the ones in Lakeside and Ramona.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Cathy

                                                                                                                                                                    The Lakeside Boll Weevil has been closed for a while now.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: phee

                                                                                                                                                                      The ones on Morena and LJ Bvld are now the Cotton Patch.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                                                        How ironic, as the old Cotton Patch restaurant on Midway was what spawned the Boll Weevil chain!

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: phee

                                                                                                                                                                          The operator of the Cotton Patch stores (and many of the bankrupt Boll Weevil locations is the daughter of the original owner of Cotton Patch and Boll Weevil restaurants. Somehow she was able to get access (despite closing for bankruptcy) and convert them under the new name. Not her first go around with Boll Weevil bankruptcy either.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                            Separate companies, one goes under the other is resurrected, same owner, smoke and mirrors. Pity any lender, public or private, that gave a loan to that cause.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                                                              I thought the same thing when I saw the new signs go up (knowing her history). So unfair and deceptive.

                                                                                                                                                              2. Mukashi Sushi and Seafood Market, jogged by and seemed closed.

                                                                                                                                                                Hane sushi killed them.

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                                                                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, they looked closed when I went by there the other day. They spent so long getting ready to open that it almost seemed doomed from the start.

                                                                                                                                                                  Mille Feuille in Hillcrest is also gone and I think that there are some other places in the area soon to follow.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sdaints

                                                                                                                                                                    Are you sure Mille Feuille is gone ? We drove by yesterday evening and it looked open.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                      Yes. Interesting sign, something like "we are closed" and then: "Ownership Relocating", which makes me wonder- is "ownership relocating" a euphemism for "owner blew town"?

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                        I drove by yesterday morning and there was brown paper covering all the doors and windows. I didn't want to crane my neck too long to try to decipher the sign on the door and cause an accident.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                          It was only a matter of months after their opening that Mille Feuille was to close. The concept wasn't an enticing one, and the whole set-up seemed odd. Sorry to see another business fail, but I was surprised it lasted as long as it did.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: sdaints

                                                                                                                                                                          Regarding Mukashi: I remember signing up for there email list before they opened.

                                                                                                                                                                          They got back to me, but never let me know when they were opening.

                                                                                                                                                                          I ended up never going.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sdaints

                                                                                                                                                                            Wow how long were they open? I got to try some confections from them at Better Half once, never went by though.

                                                                                                                                                                        3. Anyone else get the e-mail from Urban Kitchen's that Laurel is going to be history by the end of the week. To be replaced with a new concept by the end of June?

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, that's been brewing for some time, and I got it on Twitter. It's LONG overdue. Always one of my favorites, the last few times I've been for cocktails, your could hear the crickets.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Fake Name

                                                                                                                                                                              I agree the change is long overdue. The last couple of times I was there I got the impression that there was talent in the kitchen but that it was being challenged to execute a menu that was at the top of their culinary skill set, so while things were generally good, I always got the impression that they could have been done better. Or, in other words (I think) the skills in the kitchen didn't always match those need to fully execute the printed menu. And at the prices they were trying to achieve, it didn't always match.

                                                                                                                                                                              I liked the bar and I liked the room, hopefully, the new concept can take advantage of both.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                "And at the prices they were trying to achieve, it didn't always match."

                                                                                                                                                                                It almost never matched.

                                                                                                                                                                                The prices were sky high last time I was there (which was a while back when the kitchen closed on me at 9pm on a friday, after I ordered a bottle of wine).

                                                                                                                                                                                I remember entrees being $33+.

                                                                                                                                                                                When you get to that level, your food better be top notch, or you might as well fly to SF or NYC and eat better food at a lesser price.

                                                                                                                                                                                And get better service.

                                                                                                                                                                                And meet a Model Girl on your way out (NYC).

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                  ... when chef Brian was in the kitchen I have personally watched the creation of a well excuted, bold and original new dish that IMMEDIATELY got "dumbed down" by the powers that be in order to pacify the clientele. it is a shame to see talent restrained.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jdwdeville

                                                                                                                                                                                    You know this makes good sense to me. So many of the dishes seemed like they "missed by that much". While they were good, they missed being great. If the chef had to removed stuff from the original that could be why.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Fake Name

                                                                                                                                                                                  Same here, according to one of their contacts it is going from "fine dining" to "upscale casual" with the direction focusing on "California/Italian". Whatever, I have faith in Tracy. But I am ready for the change and hopefully lower price point.

                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                  yeah, I always drive by and see nobody there.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I really think they took something good (the old laurel) and ruined it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                    I personally LOVE Laurel the way it is now. My fiance and I had it at the top of our list for our wedding reception venue. I have faith in Tracy that she will make the new concept awesome, but it still makes me a little sad to see that this incarnation will be gone.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: foodie bride

                                                                                                                                                                                      a personal project: www.changinglaurel.com

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Fake Name

                                                                                                                                                                                        cool site.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I knew they were going to have to change that place.

                                                                                                                                                                                        It was on life support for a while.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Fake Name

                                                                                                                                                                                          Great pics Fakey and story line too!

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. The old Laurel was the best. The food was ten times better than it is now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: neener41

                                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Although its closed now.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                          Good news, you can still get the old Laurel style Mac and Cheese Gratin at Roseville. Wow, good stuff!

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: neener41

                                                                                                                                                                                          Good follow up article on Laurel and SD dining:

                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www3.signonsandiego.com/storie...

                                                                                                                                                                                          "Gone are the striking red chandelier and crystal candleholders, and so too is the whimsical, Parisian-style decor that had come to define San Diego's Laurel Restaurant."

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                            Laurel is becoming Cucina Urbana.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Fake Name

                                                                                                                                                                                              maybe it's just me, but interior designers and architects should stick to designing buildings and interiors, not overpriced style over substance restaurants where they don't let the chefs run free.

                                                                                                                                                                                        3. Limonz in PB is gone.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                            Darn, sorry to hear that. I always liked their chicken

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, I heard it became some salad place.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I heard that closed too.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Word on the street is that Dish in hillcrest closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Can anyone confirm this?

                                                                                                                                                                                              If it is true, then another piece of the stingaree empire has crumbled.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                It's pretty common knowledge the Stingaree empire has collapsed under it's weight in debt. I was by Dish on Monday and it wasn't open, but I can't confirm it's officially closed. Would anyone be surprised if it were? I think not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "common knowledge the Stingaree empire has collapsed under it's weight in debt"

                                                                                                                                                                                                  That and horrible concepts, a bad low quality to high price ratio, lack of beautiful people when they touted themselves to be a place for beautiful people, and lack of mortgage brokers in striped shirts from the mall to fit the bill.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Corporate Cool" is finished.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  At least for the time being.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think that it is normally closed on Mondays so it may still be open. I have only been to Dish once and it was a while ago but Universal seems packed every time I drive by.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sdaints

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I had the same thought too since Terra is closed on Monday and it's just down the street from Dish. That's why I said I couldn't really confirm if it was officially closed or not. It would not surprise me if it was. I've stopped in a couple times by have never actually eaten there. I get a weird vibe in the place, like they're not really interested in having anyone over 35 in the place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was definatly a clubby sort of place. I took a peek on a Friday or Saturday somewhere around 6:00pm. Not only were there no patrons, the place looked closed and there were no employees around, but the place was completely open. After strolling around for a while, some guy walked through and said they the usually don't get really busy until after 9 or 10pm! I kind of reminded me of the space that is currently/formerly Aubergine and all of it's incarnations. The restaurant was just a way to get you into the club, not a complete thought unto itself. BTW, is Aubergine still in existence?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have been by Aubergine on many a thursday and friday night (although not in a while) and it always seemed closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I really doubt if it is still open.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Aubergine is closed, and let go of all their longtime staff, to reopen as a crobar

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jdwdeville

                                                                                                                                                                                                              This may be silly question but crobar is a restaurant also or just a bar?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jdwdeville

                                                                                                                                                                                                                When did Aubergine officially close?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am guessing this has no relation to the legendary Crobar originally from Chicago that opened in Miami Beach, NYC (both now closed I think) and Buenos Aires among other places.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Correct?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  don't have the answer to either of these... the info is from a couple of friends who worked there and were let go (read: fired) along with everyone else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just got word from someone in the now that Dish will only be open for Sunday Brunch for the next six weeks or so. Said to be reworking the entire restaurant concept.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Open once a week for brunch? Who would want to eat at a restaurant that is serving only once a week? Makes me question the freshness of what will be served the following week...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LisaSD

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Probably trying to sell the place and this may be a way to show their still open. Can't imagine how they're paying the bills.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. Crescent Heights, downtown. Gone.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: pickypicky

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If it is, it doesn't surprise me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tough location, high price point, food probably too advanced for SD and opened just as the economy plummeted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        It is really just a question of how big a bankroll they have to stay open.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Every time I rolled by it seemed empty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        It got good reviews on this board and 4.5 stars with a lot of reviews on yelp. Really shows how difficult a restaurant enviornment San Diego is. Especially for higher end food/ enviornment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If it is indeed closed, this is another "high profile" chef with some pedigree that has gone down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2nd Wolfgang Puck alum to go down as well. Jason Siebert being the other (who had a really good restaurant called cafe cerise.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pickypicky

                                                                                                                                                                                                          That's a big wow, yet somehow not surprised. They are closed on Sunday and Monday, was it one of those days?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pickypicky

                                                                                                                                                                                                            They were open Friday...

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: The Office Goat

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Took a look inside at 5:30 pm, and it was completely dark.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyone else have confirmation on this one?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                If that was today, they are closed on MONDAY.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They closed as of this evening. Confirmed to me from several employees. They let go of they're sommelier 2 weeks ago and business has continued to be dead so the plug was pulled. Employees complained about location being dead after dark and no easy parking in front of restaurant. Ate there a couple of times and food was wonderful. Really sad for SD food scene.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Haute_Sauce

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Man, I think they spent more time "under construction/Coming soon" than they did open.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I pray it is replaced with a solid Vietnamese pho/sandwich place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: The Office Goat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "I pray it is replaced with a solid Vietnamese pho/sandwich place."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That would be great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But I wouldn't hold my breath, the rent in that space has got to be high.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My bet is it stays vacant for a while, until another brave chef steps forward.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Either that or another fudruckers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hey, I could live with paying an extra buck per sandwich to pay for their overhead. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        But you're right, the space will probably stay vacant for a year and then be filled by another superfluous bank.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: The Office Goat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "I could live with paying an extra buck per sandwich"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hell, I would pay double.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It was on Monday.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, confirmed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Fake Name

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "You try to hold on as long as we can," McIntyre said. "We have gotten great accolades and great response from people in San Diego. But it didn't make sense anymore. We are a small time operator and we are not backed by a big corporation that can wait out the downturn."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.signonsandiego.com/enterta...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wonder if Jai in La Jolla is next.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Could this be a San Diego Wolfgang Puck Curse?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Come to think of it, didn't Wolfgang Puck try to open a restaurant in San Diego in the 90's that folded too?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          he had one of those casual restaurants in Mission Valley Mall where the Outback is now. Not sure if he also had an upscale place in addition to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You are right. He only had Wolfgang Puck Cafe in MV (one of his casual chain properties). Wanted to buy Top of the Cove, but owner wanted too much $$$.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Too bad that Top of the Cove didn't work out. I bet he could have made that one work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wolfgang Puck’s venture into San Diego with JAI at the La Jolla Playhouse, may soon be short lived. It seems that they miss their after theater audience by closing at 10 pm, and there’s no lunch service that might catch people looking for a quiet place to meet. For many San Diegans, traveling to a university campus to see a play or eat dinner, is more than they can bear…

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Source: http://www.foodbuzzsd.com/blog/2010/0...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was under the impression that it was being shutdown temporarily and will be back when theater season starts up again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DougOLis

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I guess we will find out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe its the San Diego Wolfgang Puck Curse?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. According to this post Better Half has closed. Anyone?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/633328

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    seems like it is official.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Huge loss.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Milles Feuille , Hillcrest. Oceanaire (national) files for bankruptcy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pickypicky

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "Oceanaire (national) files for bankruptcy."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "The company said in its bankruptcy filing that it owes between $10 million and $50 million to at least 50 creditors. It estimates its assets at $1 million to $10 million."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The newspaper said they were keeping several restaurants open, including San Diego, and only closing the under performing restaurants. That being said, sometimes the assets get sold to cover the debt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yep.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think the san diego one is probably one of their better preforming ones (top chef hype, good reviews on here, word of mouth, lack of competition in gaslamp etc)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Although that is just a guess.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wow, if that place closed in san diego, san diego would be lookiing very circa 90's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The U/T article quoted Brian Malarkey as saying the SD branch of Oceanaire was the #2 unit in the chain. The article also went on to say that Oceanaire was closing 4 under performing units and listed them. Article was in the Business section, on Thursday IIRC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Any idea as to #1?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Washington D.C. I think, but you can go to SignOnSanDiego and find the article

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They are closing the Philly one. Not sure of the others. Brian Malarkey says so far SD is safe. That place is always packed so I hope so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: keena

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "always packed"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nowhere close to it was two years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. It looks like Casa de Madera has closed for the second time. After struggling for a while they closed a few months ago and then recently I noticed that they had reopened with a cheaper version of the menu. Now they have closed again and there is a sign saying that a new place called Banana Leaf will be opening. It is supposed to be Southern Indian food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sdaints

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Where is that spot?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It is on 5th, in between University and Washington. I thought it was a little strange that they are opening an Indian place across the street from Bombay, although it might be a totally different take on it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sdaints

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Monsoon Group that operates that space also owns and operates Bombay. They are trying to replicate what the Cohen Group does.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Either that, or they are trying to turn that corner of Hillcrest into downtown Little India. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cool.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We need more ethnic neighborhoods in San Diego.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They also been trying to get a concept to fly in the old Starbucks location at 5th and Washington. I think it was called something like Cofe Cafe. I'm not sure it is anything right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yep. New sign that I saw tonight: "Kona Coffee Coming Soon"!?!?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Looks like Lucky D's is on the ropes in the "hip" east village.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.signonsandiego.com/enterta...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Tastes (Restaurant/Winebar) in Encinitas is closed

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Closed for over a month. Word is Third Corner helped hasten their demise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. La Vache and Viva Pasta in Hillcrest.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                La Vache?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Viva Pasta, can't say that was a shocker.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I heard that La Vache closed also. Were was Viva Pasta?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    a little strip mall in hillcrest.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    there used to be a capriottis sandwich place there that also closed

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wow La Vache has been there since I can remember. Although, I can't remember the last time I had brunch there that wasn't a disappointment either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. Months of rumors have finally proven true. Jack's La Jolla was closed sometime this week, all doors are locked up, no explanation signage.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Additional info: http://bit.ly/167zoW

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Another catastrophic san diego defeat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Looks like Tony Disalvo exited at the right time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It sounds like there was more to this than just the economy (sort of like the Better Half situation), and perhaps Disalvo was aware of the "more."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And in that article in the UT today, George Hauer pretty much said they'll be more to come. yikes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gone but still glittering

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tony DiSalvo, who formerly helmed the kitchen at the now shuttered Jack’s La Jolla, is cooking to rave reviews at Whist at the Viceroy hotel in Santa Monica.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Source:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/20...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Also Blu Wave Mediterranean in La Jolla. Always wondered how they stayed open so long. This leaves two really prominent restaurant spaces vacant in prime locations.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. For those residing in the culinary non-mecca of East County, I think Vinny's Brooklyn Pizza in Alpine just went under. Their phone number was disconnected last week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Vinny was making excellent pizza and thus by default became one of maybe three places out here that was acceptable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. And yet Olive Garden and Red Lobster pummel the landscape like a one-two punch, with a finishing under hook by the Cheesecake Craptory.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is so so sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. According to the UT and another well placed source, Modus Supper Club in Banker's Hill closed a week ago friday. "Was working on another concept, but didn't pan out."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am surprised Modus lasted that long.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I read somewhere that they were trying to change the name to Modus Gastro Bar.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Biting off Jaynes Gastropubs style.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think the thing that drove the steak through the heart of Modus Supper Club was when Starlite Lounge opened.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It split the local population (Bankers Hill, Middletown, Mission Hills) in half (at best).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There was no point in going to Modus, when Starlite served similar food, possibly better food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It is sad that Modus closed. It was a place that tried to do good late night dining.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                They found, like many other places, that people in San Diego do not eat late.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No matter what.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Their food was also a little to advanced for peoples tastes in this town.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Modus Supper Club was voted best new restaurant a few years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So was Crescent Heights.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Getting voted "best new restaurant" must be the kiss of death.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Best new is good. Best new that can last is better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Airport Lounge is closing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Going to turn into a 2nd location for El Camino (same owners).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Really? Can't see that spot working out any better for El Camino. It's a dead spot. Much like Barrio Logan was for the Guild, and that stretch of University was for the Better Half. It may have proximity to other interesting things in the area, but the fact that there is ZERO foot traffic on the street, no decent non-metered parking, and the fact that the corner is invisible when on any of the busier cross-streets around it, makes it very risky. Not to mention that the Lucha Libre taco shop is nearby, with the exact same theme, and cheaper.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    However, if El Camino inherits Airport Lounge's full liquor license, then at last that place will be able to serve a proper Margarita. It is absolutely pointless to be a sitdown Mexican joint in this town (or any town for that matter) and only be able to serve Margaritas with Agave wine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cookieshoes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "It's a dead spot."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't forget, from 2004 to 2006 Airport lounge was arguably one of the hottest spots in town (a respectable run, until competition exploded in this town: Stingaree, Ivy, Hard rock, Se Hotel, Confidential, etc)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "no decent non-metered parking"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The used car lot across the street folded. They might be able to use that. Columbia is a block away.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "if El Camino inherits Airport Lounge's full liquor license"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They will. El Camino and Airport have the same owners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Although, I do agree it is risky , this place has the potential to be a restaurant that transition into a nightclub successfully (a trick that no place in san diego has ever done).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But odds are against that trick.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Hawthorne Restaurant and Lounge on University looked like it was closed when we drove by today.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've heard that Hawthorne is going to reopen with a more "casual" and inexpensive menu.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: rotie77

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Didn't that place used to be on Hawthorne street?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, they moved there when the new theater started up. Wonder if they'd like the old place back?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I walked by Hawthorne today. The sign said something to the effect of "Closed for painting and cleaning".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So, they are either taking the time to do a menu-overhaul and interior re-design (a la Laurel->Cucina Urbana), or they really are just doing some simple painting and cleaning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Tastes in Encinitas is now closed. It was a wine-store-in a restaurant concept that served quite good food. Owner announced he was selling all his wine at half off while he developed a new concept. So far the concept is a closed sign in the window.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: PGB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Too bad. I like the "wine-store-in a restaurant concept".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. The Little Fish Market in Mission Valley is closed. There is a liquor license application on the window, so I guess another restaurant is opening there. I will have to stop and read the posting. I will miss the lobster salad sandwich.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Divamac

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, I saw that Thursday morning driving in to work. I noticed that all the signage had been removed from the building and saw the new liquor license app in window. I'll miss it too, it was always a reliable option for Mission Valley.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A Mexican restaurant and margarita bar is going into the former Little Fish Market space.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Divamac

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I phoned the Fish Market corporate office to find out if maybe the Little Fish Market was simply moving, but NO! It's gone. Will miss the casual ambiance and crab-stuffed avocado as well as spicy red chowder with sourdough. Good location and prices much lower than at the "big" fish Markets.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Redzone sports bar and grill closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But opening again under new owners.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Such a loss. One less "grill" in San Diego.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. California Cuisine in Hillcrest is closed. It will reopen under different management as an Italian restaurant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goody

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Miami Grille in Poway..was a very popular place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Closed in Poway on Fathers Day - still in UTC with live salsa music 3 nights a week pending new Liquor License - and a new one opening in Temecular early 2010

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Peking Palace in UTC. Just noticed it this weekend.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: daantaat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think that's already closed for about 5-6 months (and not really a big loss, whereas California Cuisine was not a cutting-edge food destination but a quite good restaurant which had some good dishes.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        you're probably right, as I haven't been to that part of UTC for a while and probably overlooked the dark windows and all. definitely not a big loss.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. According to Yelp, Sammy Sushi in Kearny Mesa closed. Disappointing, I liked that place, even though I hadn't been there in a while.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Illume Bistro announced they are closing soon (maybe end of week?) on Twitter this evening. Everything 1/2 off the rest of this week.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Is that the place in little italy?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They actually seemed like they had a following.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Cotton Patch in LJ closed, what a loss, not certain I can continue without it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Didn't it just open a few months ago?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yah, it was a re-name of the previous place, unfortunately bad is bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Cafe Eleven is closing in Hillcrest

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Being replaced by another restaurant run by Chris Shaw, the owner of Urban Mo's and Baja Bettys.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Green_Turtle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Both restaurants are at least not a good indication that Cafe Eleven will be replaced by something good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ROTFL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Haha, I had to Google that acronym. Love it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Paladar

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cafe Eleven will be replaced by Gossip Grill (a female oriented restaurant according to some papers) - Urban Mo’s, Baja Betty and Gossip Grill - trifecta of doomed food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now scheduled to open Oct 30, 2009. Just in time for Halloween.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Hawthorne's in NP is being replaced by "West Coast Tavern" - which is a partnership with Urban Solace's Matt Gordon, the owners of True North and David Cohen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. 'Canes Bar & Grill in Mission Beach is supposedly closing in November. I'm not sure if that's for remodeling or if it's going to reopen, but that's what I read on CityBeat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DougOLis

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know they had a fire recently so maybe it is remodeling related to that. I saw that Zetouna's Cafe on Washington in Mission Hills is closed. There is a sign that says 'temporarily closed' but there is another sign that says the restaurant is for sale by owner. I never made it there but heard mixed reviews. It never seemed to get going.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Dakota Grill & Spirits has closed after 16 years in the Gaslamp Quarter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    wow that one is kind of shocking. Never was a fan, but it seemed to do good business.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Since it's a Cohn restaurant, I'd guess it will be remade into another restaurant. Their restaurants may not be putting out the cutting edge of food, but they are good business people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sdnosh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Precisely, the Dakota Grill location is being revamped/rebranded into another Cohn restaurant. I don't remember whether the new restaurant theme was mentioned in the article I read.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The reincarnation of Dakota's.....it'll become ......are you ready for this......a Fondue restaurant come January!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcgrath

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Excellent!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A fondue restaurant in the gaslamp will definitely take san diego to the next level.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Trophy's in UTC is being replaced by La Jolla Strip Club, some kind of steak place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: daantaat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Trophy's has been bad since their 1st restaurant. Good Bye!!!! Bad service, bad food, bad customer service.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: daantaat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sounds like it might be related to the Gaslamp Strip Club. I guess Donovan's and Fleming's (as well as the Ruth's Chris 5 or so miles up the 5) just weren't enough to service the UTC hotel crowd.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I pretty much lived right above Trophy's for two years, and never went in that time, You'd think that a decent sports bar / brewery could make a go of it in the area, but I guess not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah if it's related hmm.... Grill your own steak. And season it. At that point I might as well grill it myself (which I do quite often).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: RB Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gaslamp Strip Club is a Cohn restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: daantaat

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I just noticed today that the MV Trophy's is now the All American Grill. I have no idea when that happened.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Chilangos Mexico City Grill paper on windows, phone # rings and rings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not surprised. the re-opened version of Chilangos didn't quite live up to the original incarnation. To bad, sad to see it finally go. That stretch of Uni is pretty hard. The corner has been a million different things, the upscale animal store didn't make it, Chilangos has been several different things. Not a lot of real longevity there between 2nd and 1st

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And Better Half unfortunately shut down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, and so did all the places that were in the space before the Better Half

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Where Chilangos once stood, it is now Charisma, Cucina Italiana.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Red decor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Looks to be already up and running.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yep---Charimsa is open for business--planning on dinner there next week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Anthony Ambrosino

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Cool, I am interested to know how it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Just Burgers in Little Italy has closed. It's a tough location (formally Bud's Louisiana Cafe). It's being replaced by a Santanas.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: SanDiego

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not only is that a difficult location but they have the best (IMO) bar burger next door and one of the best gourmet burgers just opened down the street.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: SanDiego

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        between Waterfront and the new Burger Lounge I didn't expect them to last long.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What's better, waterfront or burger lounge? I've been to the BL in La Jolla, and it was decent. But I hear about Waterfront quite often (has anyone had burgers at Nunus? my friends rave about it but it wasn't anything special ... the dive bar itself was cool though)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: deeznuts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kind of a different animal, so to speak.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Waterfront is more of a good dive bar burger (not great in my opinion but good).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Burger lounge is more the new millennium grass fed thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Try them both, and see what you like more.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              agreed. I think Burger Lounge is a higher quality tasting burger, but I like both.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Can't argue with having to try both burgers. I've had BL in La Jolla, but both of these are around the corner from my friends, so try I must!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: deeznuts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LOVE Nunu's and yes, the burger is good..especially after a few cocktails..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                One of the best dives in SD..60's decor with the drinks strong and the naugahyde flowing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Waterfront is one of my favorites too..burger is great but the fries blow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                www.nunuscocktails.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I probably shoulda had more cocktails. Don't get me wrong, it was a good burger, but while eating at my friends sushi shop she went to get nunus for the staff, and they loved it. Maybe it was a case of inflated expectations :D But the bar itself was fun

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: deeznuts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't get why people rave about Waterfront. Commodity meat on commodity bread - what's the fuss all about? You can get that burger a million places - the only thing unique about it is the atmosphere of the venue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Burger Lounge is a good-tasting burger, but what makes it special to me is that they use much better ingredients than your typical burger joint. So even if the burger itself isn't unique, the fact that it's made from good stuff is what makes it worth eating.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Josh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last time I went to the waterfront the burger seemed way worse than I remember.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Waterfront Burger is vapid. But that would imply a presence of non-flavor, so I guess the Waterfront burger is a ketchup-vector, and little else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: SaltyRaisins

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "ketchup-vector"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Could be a new marketing scheme for them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah- as in "come get your condiment inoculation." Vector Burger.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: SanDiego

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, I called that one a while back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "bar burger next door and one of the best gourmet burgers just opened down the street"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                They also weren't very good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I wish Bud's would move back, I get the feeling san diego already has a few Santanas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              4. Fuddrucker's downtown is closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Very strange, as I was just there late last week for lunch, and when I went to drop by today, not only was it closed, but the place looked trashed on the inside. Everything had already been ripped out. The tables, cash registers, the fridges and kitchen area. All gone, with no notice whatsoever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Very strange.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: cookieshoes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah just saw that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I remember when that place opened, about May '08.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I actually saw a sign in there window that they were opened to 3am on fri and sat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Chilango's (in Hillcrest) apppears to have closed (again).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. cafe noir just north of the ballpark had closed

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Cafe Eleven has closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. And Hillcrest’s Café Bleu will hold its last night of service Saturday, Oct. 24. Café Bleu’s owners also run The Red Door in Mission Hills.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LOL last week we were near there and I said "I think that is the longest a restaurant has lasted in there for the last 15 years". Ooops!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Just got an e-mail from the owners of Appertivo in North Park that they are closing....... Very suprised I live axcross the street & they seemed to have a really steady stream of business. However we were worried about them because another location of Arrivederci is opening across the street & would really split the business.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: modfood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            not surprising. The Arrivederci has been threatening to open in that spot for a couple of years with little-to-no work being done so that definitely wasn't the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/507549

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              according to frank sabatini in gay and lesbian times, the owners nearly doubled apertivo's rent, to close to 5K/month. north park is booming, but still... an interesting move given the overall economy, i guess.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. ciro's hillcrest closed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            - walked by ciro's pizza next to dish (which is still closed/undergoing its "makeover") last night and it was definitely not open. no mention of this location on their website either. unfortunately, if the recent reviews on yelp are true, it's no big loss.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://sdurban.com/blog/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyone know what happened to Tastes in Encinitas? Went by there the other day and saw the name had changed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mbro

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Wings Pizza and Things next to Petco park has closed. For lease signs up in the windows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: djudd07

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Wings Pizza and Things"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Can't say I know anyone who ate there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The only thing that would have drawn me would have been the "Things," but why do you need that when the Old Spaghetti Factory is back in business?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: mbro

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Tastes in Encinitas" - Closed a few months ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I read in the UT that Decanter Lounge on Del Dios Highway closed. It was at the foot of the Il Cielo development. I have no idea how the food was, it was just so out of the way I never went there. I know that they spent some bucks on the place. It looked like it was trying to be one of those poser kind of places sorta like the place that took overt the old Scalini spot on VDV. Oh well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. After 57 years of continuious operation in SD, Nicolosi's is closing. Sunday is their last day of service. For those of us that grew up here, this is kinda sad. Nicolosi's could always be counted on for familiar and fairly good Italian-American food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Current location is on Adobe Falls Rd. between Allied Gardens and SDSU

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh my, talk about the end of an era. I remember eating at Nicolosi's when they were located in Lemon Grove, many many moons ago. .....;(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Dagney

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow. I used to get their garlic and clam pizza with my dad back in the 80's. Maybe it's time for one last run...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Never understood how they survived in that loc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I heard today that the owners of Nicolosi's got some much positive feedback that they are planning to reopen soon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, there was an article in the UT today about it. 2 nephews bought the place from their uncle. 37 of the 38 employees agreed to come back to work. Hopefully, all the people that showed up the last few days will show up to support the new owners

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I heard the same thing on the radio tonight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. I was driving up 5th in the GL and saw that Mangu and the cigar shop is gone. Not surprised, looks like another restaurant is going in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Mangu is gone, but Cesar is opening a burger joint instead. Same owner, different concept

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wow. Non-stop burger joints.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pity his private investors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: cstr

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, it's been a long ugly ride

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Seems to be open again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now it is called "809 Lounge".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not sure what the "809" means. The address I think is 503 fifth street.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. The past few times that I have gone by Deli on 5th it has had paper over the windows. I always thought it seemed like a strange business and it never seemed to be busy, although I never did try it. Another place that looks like it may be gone is Ramak Hookah. I don't smoke hookah but when I stopped in there after they first opened they claimed to be making homemade persian food. I didn't make it there too so I can't comment on the food. Again, it seemed doom from the start.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Luigi's in Little italy closed!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Landini's Pizza in Little Italy open!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Zetouna's Cafe now closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Source: http://sdurban.com/blog/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Zetouna's will be replaced by Cafe Bleu that recently closed on University and 5th. Its also owned by the Red Door folks....or so I heard.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Just saw a blurb on the UT website that Rainwater's on Kettner is closing down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/20...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Another Icon falls.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have always had a love/hate with Rainwaters. Actually more hate than love.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It always "seemed" like it should be a great place. But never was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Extremely overpriced. Sub par service. Ok food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This was a San Diego Hype Machine place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When you have places like The Palm offering an 8oz. USDA Prime fillet and a pacific lobster tail dinner with salad, dessert and all the fix'ins for $45, it's pretty easy to understand why RW's took a tumble, that era is so over.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Agreed, never thought I had a trip to Rainwater's that amazed me. I would have a better experience at Fleming's for less money, and they always folded my napkin when I went to the bathroom. Never got that at Rainwater's haha.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think it was just a SD Hype Machine, always saw them listed in the fake "Best Of" ads in the airline magazines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Here is my expert analysis of the fall of an Icon:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Restaurant has good reputation. Cultivates following of lawyers,city officials and san diego locals too provincial to know outstanding food. (I heard it was actually good up until the mid-late 90's, although that is debatable.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Advertise in fake "Best Of" ads in the airline magazines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Product goes down the tubes (late 90's). But because of "iconic" status and The San Diego Hype Machine, continues to do business.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            4. Lose local following but keep pumping fake "Best Of" ads in the airline magazines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            5. Economy soars. People visit san diego. See fake "Best Of" ads in the airline magazines, and eat at Rainwaters regardless of quality.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            6. Economy crashes. People no longer visit san diego. People no longer see See fake "Best Of" ads in the airline magazines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            7. No local biz. No traveler biz.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Place folds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I wonder what will open in its place?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Another steakhouse?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A Brian Malarkey/ Stingaree team up? (fedora and Ed Hardy shirt dress code?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Only time will tell.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Well put. One exception -- some us, though perhaps provincial, know good food but would continue to go for lunch because its across the street.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: eatemup

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "would continue to go for lunch because its across the street"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Did you really though?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I used to be located very close to Rainwaters and after a couple of lunch trips wrote it off.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Believe me, I wanted to like the place so bad. On paper it seems great.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Same here when I worked downtown. Rainwaters was walking distance from our building. I tried it once and was disappointed, but I believe in giving restaurants a second chance. So I tried again and was even more disappointed. I never understood the attraction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    OK. I'd get the chicken Caesar to go once a month or so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  well said..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I grew up in Peoria IL where Mercedes restaurants is based and all their restaurants have always been this disappointing. Their steakhouse in Peoria that was a nice place when I was in high school now serves drinks in plastic cups while you dine on picnic plaid tablecloths.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              wow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: MrKrispy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Back in the day, Rainwater's was were it was at for high power business meetings and the owner Paddy ruled with an iron fist and she'd be running some serious smack on the waiters where all the customers could hear.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Started taking my clients to Dobson's where Paul has a more jovial demeanor.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                They stated they were going to open another restaurant..maybe she has mellowed with age.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Beach Chick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As a solo diner back in the mid-late 90s looking for a great steak dinner I recall only having three choices (not wanting to drive up to Donovan's in La Jolla) Rainwater, Bertrand's, and another I can't recall. Ended up at Rainwater having an excellent steak (if pricey) and service and some pretty good wine BTG.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: PolarBear

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "some pretty good wine BTG"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That is where I think they went wrong in the later years.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The wines by the glass started at like $12, then next up was like $15 and then up from there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It was like the wine by the glass menu was designed to make you feel like a chump for ordering a $12 glass of wine.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Side note: this is the 400th post on this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think the glass price was in the $7-8 range for the best stuff back then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wonder what the leading post is for number of responses? I see one on the Home Cooking board that's over 1,100.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: PolarBear

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "I think the glass price was in the $7-8 range for the best stuff back then."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, I think they got caught up in the Greed of '05.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The gouge mentality, when san diego thought it was going to become the next Las Vegas, Miami Beach and Amsterdam all wrapped up into one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank goodness that ridiculous talk is over.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Went to Wired the first time in a few weeks and saw that Chicago On a Bun next to it is gone and replaced by a burger place (a real surprise in SD in the moment). Unfortunately Renaissance Produce in the same mall is also gone - they had certain croatian cookies which I only have seen from time to time at North Park Produce

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chicago On a Bun I think changed owners at some point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  They used to be run by an old school Chicago couple that was super cool.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  About a year ago I noticed they had new owners and the quality seemed to slip.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: honkman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ya JK burgers and hot dogs I'm sure it's amazing. Will be closed in 3 months I'm sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Looks like that Royal Mandarin In National City might be closed due to a fire:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://heartlandzonenews.blogspot.com...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes this news traveled faster than the earthquake through the vietnamese community. The salt and pepper chicken were a staple at almost every potluck party. I found them too salty and oily sometimes, but I admit, they were decent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Universal in Hillcrest is closed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://sdurban.com/wordpress/

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: stevewag23

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Four years of work went into this, and unfortunately, we were victims of the economic times and other unfortunate events," Brennan said. "It seems like this project got off on the wrong foot and was doomed from day one. There were certainly warning signs I didn’t heed."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Obviously, we put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this project so it's disappointing when it doesn't work out."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Universal-Dish opened in April 2008. The total cost of development was more than $4 million.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/20...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Brennan comes across as a colossal jerk. The whole deal with the Top of the Cove and I still don't get the appeal of Stingaree. I really not sorry he failed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: littlestevie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Side Bar Closed , The Witherby Failed, Bar West Failed, Top of the Cove was a disaster, now Universal shut down.... who in their right mind would ever invest with brennan - now he's working on some deal with the old chef of Oceanaire downtown on 5th and Market.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mjsp1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You nailed it. I'm afraid Brian Malarkey is being taken for an ultimately unfortunate ride.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Good point.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was wondering at what point do you stop calling someone a "Nightlife Impresario"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think if someone owns one spot, that title should be gone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. French 101 in La Jolla has closed. Owners spent a ton of money in tenant improvements remodeling the old Hard Rock Cafe. We were fairly excited about the possibilities, but the two meals we had there were disasters. I don't think they were open even 6 months.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: foodiechick

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ...and the subject of this thread, 'closed because of the economy' is, again, not relevant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Too many of the above named restaurants closed because they did not have good food, not because of the economy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            {I didn't mean to imply anything to you about your post, FC. This thread/its title has been bugging me for a long time and I just had to say it}

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Cathy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Agreed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Cathy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Too many of the above named restaurants closed because they did not have good food, not because of the economy."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A restaurant doesn't close because of bad food. (If that was so, every McDonald's would be closed).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A restaurant goes out of business because of economics.