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Pincus Jan 28, 2009 07:43 PM

Went to a generic "Thai" place here for dinner. Didn't want to get a huge meal because I was headed to the gym after so I settled on soup and salad. Soup was a shrimp coconut, salad was a papaya salad.

Soup was nothing remarkable, but it was a gourmet treat compared to the papaya salad.

Every mouthful burned, not in the "oh my, someone put one too many bird chilies in the dressing" but in the "oh my, someone mistakenly put dry cleaning fluid in the dressing".

Now, I have never had papaya before. I know it can be used to tenderize meat, but I was hoping that wouldn't include my tongue and cheek lining.

Couldn't finish it. Waiter didn't ask me how it was as he took it away, surprise, surprise.

So, papaya lovers, is this normal? Was the fruit past its prime? Or did they just screw up the dressing with who knows what inside?

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    setfree Apr 23, 2009 05:52 AM

    My mouth burned come to think of it the other day after I ate a Papaya/date/grape mix I had stored in a slimfast container to freeze(def not healthy!)..I waited to the next day and ate the rest with no stinging.....I bought a less ripe one and ate half........For the last few days I've had itchy bumps on my lips that are insanely itchy!!......I remember a long time ago eating so many mangos from a tree in my then backyard and developed the same reaction only worse....to make it more complicated,I've been eating raw cashew butter
    because I'm eating a raw food diet. I've introduced many new foods:anise seed,raw collard greens,nuts,dates,etc,etc,etc!!!! (No nut allergies in the past that I was aware of!!)

    1. Sam Fujisaka Feb 1, 2009 02:09 PM

      Papaya salad is made from green mangoes and chiles. The mangoes used are not of the same varieties as those eaten as ripe fruit. Green "Indian" mangoes are eaten in the Philippines with bagoong. The same are eaten with salt in Colombia. These green mangoes and chiles are spicy and dinstinctly flavored.

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      1. re: Sam Fujisaka
        thew Feb 1, 2009 07:10 PM

        sam.. papaya salad is usually made w/ green papaya, no? here in the US, before the USDA allowed green papayas to be imported to teh US mainland, to protect the hawaiian papaya business, places made it w/ mango, but once that ban was lifted, even here it is usually papaya ....

        1. re: thew
          Sam Fujisaka Feb 2, 2009 05:38 AM

          Yes, sorry. Papaya salad is obviously made of papaya in Thailand and Laos. But I was surprised that papaya salad was made of mangoes quite awhile ago in California. Times have probably changed.

          1. re: Sam Fujisaka
            KaimukiMan Feb 2, 2009 06:46 AM

            there are still some places that use green mango, but it is almost always green papaya now. I wonder if the OP had some made with mango. if it wasn't properly peeled that could produce a rreaction for a lot of people.

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              Pincus Feb 2, 2009 10:21 AM

              It was impossible to tell because the presentation was shredded whatever in a big mound. Didn't have any tough chewy bits, though, so I doubt there was skin attached, unless green mango skin is softer than the riper type.

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        wontonfm Feb 1, 2009 12:26 PM

        It shouldn't burn. No foods (at least none that I can think of) should burn as you eat them. That is nature's way of telling us to stay away from certain foods.

        I agree with the general consensus, you probably have a sensitivity.

        WON
        http://whatsonmyplate.wordpress.com

        1. BobB Jan 30, 2009 01:11 PM

          Som Tam (green papaya salad) is traditionally quite spicy-hot, thanks to the inclusion of red chillies in the recipe, not the papayas themselves. At its best it's a wonderful blend of sweet, sour, hot, & salty. Sounds like you got a bad version. Blame the restaurant, not the fruit.

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            lgss Jan 29, 2009 05:55 PM

            Some people react to the enzymes in papaya.

            1. thew Jan 29, 2009 07:11 AM

              papaya salad is made with green unripe papaya, and plenty of chilis.

              it sounds like you have a sensitivity to it though

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                Pincus Jan 29, 2009 06:41 AM

                Must be some sort of allergy, the burn was different from anything I've ever had from a chili pepper (and I've had plenty). It was hard to say whether it was green or not, the salad was presented as some long thin shreds of papaya and maybe carrot with crushed peanuts and some kind of dressing underneath.

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                1. re: Pincus
                  kattyeyes Jan 29, 2009 06:50 AM

                  I, too, thought this sounded like an allergic reaction. I have issues with certain blue cheeses. When I ate one recently, I had a distinct tingling feeling on my tongue and thought, "Uh-oh!" so I called the pharmacist. I took a pill similar to Benadryl and was fine the next day. He cautioned me against eating the cheese again because the next allergic reaction you have can be more severe (e.g. anaphalactic). So please be careful, OK? And I will do the same. It's so crazy, really--I used to hate blue cheese. Guess my body was trying to tell me something.

                  1. re: Pincus
                    HaagenDazs Jan 29, 2009 07:31 AM

                    Were the "peanuts" actually cashews? Cashews in papaya salad are very common as well. Going back to my previous post, some people have reactions to cashew nuts that is different that a typical peanut or nut allergy.

                    Are you particularly sensitive to poison ivy? Ever had problems with mango?

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                      Pincus Jan 29, 2009 07:57 AM

                      Never ran into poison ivy, never had any problem with mango in any form.

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                        HaagenDazs Jan 29, 2009 08:22 AM

                        Who knows then... I should have clarified though, it's the mango skin that has some of the chemical in it. For instance, people that eat mango right out of the skin often get burning or tingling on their lips. See: janniecooks above.

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                    janniecooks Jan 29, 2009 01:59 AM

                    Both papaya and mango can be trouble to susceptible individuals. Having cut up a very flavorful and juicy mango one time and not wanting to waste one bit of flesh, I ate the delicious flesh remaining on the skin by chewing it off, resulting in a very painful and uncomfortable burn all around my mouth and on my lips that took more than a week to heal!

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                      HaagenDazs Jan 29, 2009 05:51 AM

                      Mango (and cashew nuts) can cause reaction in people for a different reason than papaya. Mango is similar to poison ivy in the respect that both plants contain urushiol, the chemical that causes the rash and reaction. I'm not an expert but I think they may be in the same plant family (?).

                      1. re: HaagenDazs
                        chowser Jan 29, 2009 10:14 AM

                        Yes, mango, pistacchio and cashew, and poison ivy are in the same family and it's often the urushiol oil what causes the reaction. My daughter is severely allergic. Papaya is not in the same group. But, it does sound like the OP may have had an allergic reaction. Some people have the same reaction to cinnamon and don't realize it's an allergy.

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                          Vetter Jan 30, 2009 04:12 PM

                          Cinnamon can do that to me (makes me want to scratch my gums off, they burn so badly), and that's exactly what I was thinking of when I read the title of this thread. It sounds like an allergy to me. Yuck.

                    2. KaimukiMan Jan 28, 2009 10:47 PM

                      You may have had an allergic reaction, especially if the papaya was very green

                      from Wikipedia

                      Caution should be taken when harvesting, as papaya is known to release a latex fluid when not quite ripe, which can cause irritation and provoke allergic reaction in some people. The papaya fruit, seeds, latex, and leaves also contains carpaine, an anthelmintic alkaloid which could be dangerous in high doses.

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                        PAO Jan 28, 2009 09:05 PM

                        Whether it was green or not is immaterial. If you're sure there was no chile in it (and different types of chiles can produce different types of burn in your mouth), you may be allergic to papaya. I have not enjoyed cantaloupe for years because it leaves a slight "stinging" feeling in my mouth. Never knew the reason why, but then read a newspaper article that said that was a symptom of an allergy.

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                          Querencia Jan 28, 2009 08:40 PM

                          First, was this green papaya? Green papaya is sometimes used in Thai salads. Another poster can advise you about burning if your salad was made with the unripe fruit as I have never eaten green papaya and don't know whether it burns, but some unripe fruits are irritating and astringent (try persimmon). If you buy a papaya, keep it in a paper grocery bag with the top clipped shut until it is so ripe that it looks as if it's starting to rot around the edges then wash it, peel it, and enjoy it----the flesh will be very mellow---at least, I must have eaten a hundred papayas and have never been burned by one. Second, are you sure the fruit didn't have some hot chili on it?

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