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abgilliam Jan 26, 2009 10:26 AM

We have just moved to a suburb of Paris. I use a lot of chicken stock , and don't have the fridge or freezer space to store large homeade batches. in the UK and US, I was able to buy canned or fresh stocks easily, but haven't seen any in France. Am i looking in the wrong section of the market, or do French cooks just always make their own?

Thanks.

  1. souphie Jan 26, 2009 10:47 AM

    I'm not aware of non professionnal chicken stock available in France. Most people certainly don't make their own. One thing you easily find is dessicated stock, in little cubes. It's mostly crap. The one called "jus de roti" is useful, and the ones you find in Italian stores named Star is what I use when I have to.

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      abgilliam Jan 27, 2009 06:01 AM

      thanks souphie. that's what i was afraid of.

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        anakalia Jan 28, 2009 03:00 PM

        Yeah, I don't know much about chicken stock, but I'm used to buying veggie stock (from Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, generally) and the stuff here doesn't compare. I have to buy it in gross globs of slime in little containers and, if you look at the back of the container, it contains lots of chemicals, etc... but people have told me this is the only choice... sorry! :)

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          abgilliam Feb 6, 2009 12:02 PM

          i just found and tried the Knorr version of the little pots of congealed stock. you dilute with 1/2 litre of water. they are a definite improvement over the cubes. still not in the league with homeade, or even good canned/bricked, but an improvement nonetheless!

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            Rio Yeti Aug 22, 2011 03:51 AM

            I agree with abgilliam. Since I finally got a proper freezer a few years ago, I try to make my own stock, but when I don't have it, the new little gelatin stocks by Knorr are way better than the "bouillon cubes" (dried), their flavor is more subtle and natural, and will not overwhelm a dish with the "fake" flavor most bouillon cubes have.

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        Parigi Aug 21, 2011 08:14 AM

        Ahhh, Soup. Actually the carcass from your chicken recipe makes excellent broth. Yes I make my own stock on spec. Other friends do too.
        Otherwise, indeed all those bouillon cubes sold in supermarkets have MSG and other chemicals that I do not recognize, no thanks. Rose Bakery sells a bouillon powder that has no MSG. I don't buy it regularly and don't recall the name.

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          vielleanglaise Aug 22, 2011 05:07 AM

          "Rose Bakery sells a bouillon powder that has no MSG. I don't buy it regularly and don't recall the name."

          It's called Marigold, It's Swiss, but very common in England , where I stock up on it - rather than going to Rose Bakery.

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            Parigi Aug 22, 2011 06:15 AM

            C'est ça. Merci !

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        DeppityDawg Feb 6, 2009 12:18 PM

        If you can find a kosher grocery store (or maybe in the kosher section of a big supermarket) you might find some canned stock, or at least a larger/different variety of stock cubes.

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          GabiZ Aug 21, 2011 08:02 AM

          Hi, Chiken stock in France is "FOND DE VOLAILLE" you can buy it at every grocery stores. It's with the spices in a round box and it's in powder. You can also have stock beaf "FOND BOEUF" Veal "FOND DE VEAU" and fish. Good luck. Gabi

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            boredough Aug 21, 2011 08:12 AM

            The brand (of Fond de Volaille & Fond de Veau) we use is MAGGI and the round box is yellow (with some red & orange-y). Probably got it at Intermarché or Auchan.

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            kerosundae Aug 21, 2011 11:44 AM

            I've never looked for it or paid very much attention, but I distinctly remember seeing in a supermarket 40 minutes outside of Paris, that the butcher section had little tubs of gellified chicken stock and thought, "oh! if I'm ever at my in-laws with no chicken bones, I can buy some!"
            So maybe try to butcher or poultry seller?

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              deadstroke86 Aug 14, 2012 09:11 AM

              Hi, I am wondering if there is any updates on this thread about the hunt for chicken stock in Paris. I am visiting for a week in January and am keen to do some cooking in my apartment!

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                sunshine842 Aug 14, 2012 09:15 AM

                There isn't any ready-made chicken stock in Paris. If you stumble across it at a volailler somewhere, consider it your lucky day, as it's typically simply unavailable.

                You have to make your own or buy bouillon -- since this post was started, Maggi has come out with a gel product called Coeur de Bouillon in 8 or 9 different flavors -- IME far more flavor than cubes, without tasting like a salt lick. (still plenty of sodium, but not as much) Knorr has a gel, also, but it's not as good, IMO, nor available in as many flavors.

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                  Rio Yeti Aug 14, 2012 09:24 AM

                  Good to know the Maggi ones are better than the Knorr... I sticked with Knorr for now, but since I don't often use them I haven't have the chance to try the other ones.

                  Both of them are better than the dry cubes though, which is already a big improvement considering how long those dry cubes have been around here...

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                    sunshine842 Aug 14, 2012 10:15 AM

                    the flavor just seems deeper with the Maggi - the Knorr tends to (for me, anyway) fall back on the old "lots of salt to cover the lack of flavor" mindset.

                    The array of flavors is amazing -- just in my cupboard, there's beef and vegetable, legumes du soleil, garlic and parsley (which makes awesome rice and couscous), chicken, and champignons. I know they also have a Thai flavor (no idea what "Thai" actually means...), a pot au feu version,and they just introduced a Pesto flavor, which I'll probably have to try one of these days for pasta or vegetables when I'm short on time.

                    My favorite? Probably the legumes du soleil - I use them heavily in the winter to add lots of flavor to soups and stews.

                    (As much as I'll admit it looks like it, this is not a shill post -- I'm not connected with them in any way, and don't even get a thank you for telling people it's a good product.)

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                      ChefJune Aug 14, 2012 12:34 PM

                      This is my problem with bouilon cubes... see the ingredients of the "superior" Maggi: Iodized Salt, Hydrogenated Palm Oil, Wheat Flour, Flavor Enhancers (Monosodium Glutamate, Disodium Inosinate, Disodium Guanylate), Chicken Fat, Sugar, Yeast Extract, Onion, Spices (Turmeric, White Pepper, Coriander), Parsley, Caramel, Chicken Meat. I don't want (and indeed have adverse reactions to) some of those ingredients in my food.

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                        Rio Yeti Aug 14, 2012 03:35 PM

                        Although I still would like to taste them to see if they're really better, your list is scary indeed...

                        Just to compare here is the list for "Marmite de Bouillon - Boeuf" - Knorr:
                        Water, salt, beef fat, vegetables (carrots and leeks), yeast extract, sugar, flavors (including milk), beef meat extract (1.7%), vegetable fat, xantham gum and wheat flour, caramel, parsley, maltodextrine.

                        Not the 100% natural ingredient list, but a tad bit better than the Maggi one... at least there is no hydrogenated oil...

                        Anyway, I still have one chicken stock, one vegetable stock and one fish stock (oh no wait, that went into the Paella...) in the freezer... so if (and when) I can, I'm not using the gels.

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                          sunshine842 Aug 14, 2012 03:42 PM

                          June, that ingredient list doesn't look anything at all like the ingredient list of the Maggi product that's in my kitchen.

                          The Maggi ingredients are here: http://www.maggi.fr/nos-produits-vos-...

                          No hydrogenated oil in the Maggi gel product, either -- very similar to what Rio Yeti listed.

              2. The Chowhound Team Aug 14, 2012 03:29 PM

                We've split off some off-topic discussion of making chicken stock in a pressure cooker. You'll find it on the Home Cooking board, here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/863350 .

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                  juliadevi Aug 19, 2012 04:13 AM

                  I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it, but you can buy frozen stock (chicken, veal, veg) in cubes (galets de bouillion) from Picard. I usually make and freeze my own stock, but sometimes run out and then I turn to them. They're quite concentrated, you only need a couple of them for a half liter of stock (adding water to make up the volume). Useful for those of us with tiny freezers...

                  http://www.picard.fr/Modules/LaBoutiq...

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                    sunshine842 Aug 19, 2012 04:16 AM

                    Thanks for that, Julia - I didn't know!

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                      Rio Yeti Aug 19, 2012 05:58 AM

                      Yes thank you ! I also didn't know, and judging by the ingredient list, it's all natural !

                      Cool, I'll grab some next time I go.

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                        sunshine842 Aug 19, 2012 07:00 AM

                        With the weather we've had this weekend, wandering through a Picard with your head buried in the freezers sounds like a good idea, anyway!

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                          Rio Yeti Aug 19, 2012 01:19 PM

                          Yes I went there recently to buy some icecream... and I don't know why but I was really not sure what flavor I wanted, so I went and looked and looked some more... and took a chair, and waited for inspiration, then opened my book and read a while....aaaah they should do Paris-Plage inside Picards ! :)

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                            Parigi Aug 19, 2012 02:07 PM

                            There's one across the street from me. I mean Picard. The only time I went in was to buy an insulation bag. Now I want to move in.

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                              mangeur Aug 19, 2012 02:24 PM

                              (I remember one blistering hot afternoon a couple of summers ago when my husband suggested we go shopping. At Bon Marche. Once inside, he slowly checked out every island and counter. I think we were inside for an hour. A very comfortable hour.)

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                        Rio Yeti Aug 27, 2012 01:17 AM

                        I knew it was weird I never saw the Picard frozen stock... they don't have it at the Picard near my place...
                        There's another one not so far where I will try my luck, but if they still don't have it I'll have to pass... no one wants to walk around Paris with frozen stuff in a bag...

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