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Oyster Myths

gyppielou Jan 8, 2009 05:24 PM

In regards to the other myth thread I would like to highlight oyster myths.

I favour Wellfleet and Island Creek

However in the past year the only truly amazing oysters were those that I order at Caffe Bella in Randolph - Duxbury Oysters. They are always amazing and better than any I have had anywhere.

And I have tried Duxbury/Wellfleet/IslandCreek at many restaurants, the worst being on both occasions Skipjacks. Horrible Island creeks with an algea taste. I have had acceptable island creeks at Neptune, but no wow factor.

I honestly can't explain, but the happiest oyster experience in this past year have been my tried and true and worth the drive to Caffe Bella Duxbury Oysters, or shucking my own Island creek from Whole Foods.

I'm just not buying them anymore elsewhere. For now.

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  1. galleygirl RE: gyppielou Jan 8, 2009 05:30 PM

    Well, you can buy Island Crek for $1 a pop during Happy Hour at Lineage....Same price as WF,but you don't have to shuck them...You do have to tip, but hey, a wood-fired roll, and a good winelist....

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      barleywino RE: galleygirl Jan 8, 2009 05:41 PM

      Is there anywhere around here where you can get TOtten Virginica oysters?

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        whops RE: barleywino Jan 9, 2009 04:26 AM

        Are those the huge ones that Chinese restaurants steam with ginger and scallions (or black bean sauce)?

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          barleywino RE: whops Jan 9, 2009 06:38 AM

          don't know...those do seem pretty huge

      2. re: galleygirl
        gyppielou RE: galleygirl Jan 8, 2009 05:44 PM

        thanks galleygirl, but that really doesn't address the premiss of this thread. I have had Island Creeks at many boston restaurants to very varying degrees of satisfaction, whether it be the oyster, the handling of the oyster , the temp of the oyster, or the shucker of the oyster I cannot say.

        All I can say is the only wow oysters were agian those I shucked off ice at WF and everytime I have ordered them at Caffe Bella in Randolph. Perhaps they have a private distributor, but they are always plump and briney and filled with the essence of the ocean and properly chilled and shucked perfectly so that not an ounce of seawater is lost.

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          galleygirl RE: gyppielou Jan 9, 2009 07:01 AM

          You're right, I didn't read your post carefully enough. But to address that, the Island Creek oysters I've gotten at Lineage have been so good, I've ordered another plate as soon as I finished the first...

      3. steinpilz RE: gyppielou Jan 8, 2009 05:46 PM

        Wouldn't it be great if the dominant myths were true: that oysters really are aphrodisiacs?

        More on topic for this thread, I'm sort of indifferent to eastern oysters (bland, bland, etc....) but love every pacific oyster I've tried.

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          gyppielou RE: steinpilz Jan 8, 2009 06:10 PM

          but have you had oysters in New Orleans

          I had to spit them out, sadly

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            steinpilz RE: gyppielou Jan 8, 2009 06:39 PM

            This reminds me of David Vitter! Southern oysters, warm water oysters, have always struck me as suspicious/worrysome for some reason. I'm sure it's a deeply rooted anti-warm water bias... you know, I just don't trust those pints of pre-shucked oysters. Give me fresh, whole, oysters every day.

            1. re: gyppielou
              LStaff RE: gyppielou Jan 9, 2009 06:27 AM

              My one experience oysters in New Orleans and I thought they were the blandest thing I have ever eaten. No wonder they like to char them with garlic and parmesean.

            2. re: steinpilz
              applehome RE: steinpilz Jan 8, 2009 06:26 PM

              See - I'm the opposite. I lived in WA state for 5 years, ate everything from the kumamotos to those huge ones (I know they were local, from the Puget Sound, but don't know if they had a name). I missed my Wellfleets. Maybe it's just what you grow up with, but the pacific ones were generally saltier, the big ones were certainly chewier, the kumamotos nice and sweet (but so tiny!), but none had the real oyster texture and taste you get in a plump Wellfleet. The Wellfleet liquor - when they refill after initially dumping them - is briny and super tasty - just right for the perfect oyster.

              I get my Wellfleets at the Walrus and the Carpenter in the North Market Food court in Fanueil Hall. I haven't been there in a while, to be honest, but it's been my favorite Wellfleet spot for years, and they've rarely let me down.

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                barleywino RE: applehome Jan 9, 2009 02:21 AM

                i think the huge ones from PUget sound were the TOtten Virginicas, good specimens were so creamy and beautiful...almost as nice as the Tomales bay oysters from north of San Fran

                1. re: barleywino
                  9lives RE: barleywino Jan 9, 2009 06:21 AM


                  This is OT for this board but if you ever have the chance to get here, try it...small family farm..next bay over from Tomales....gorgeous spot.

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                    barleywino RE: 9lives Jan 9, 2009 06:37 AM

                    mm thanks

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                  Pegmeister RE: applehome Feb 10, 2009 03:53 AM

                  Your right about Walrus and Carpenter (Oyster Bar). The Wellfleets there are always good. But, I tred kumamotos for the first time this weekend at Kingfish Hall in Fanueil Hall and thought they were tremendous.

              2. rlh RE: gyppielou Jan 9, 2009 06:10 AM

                I have had the same widely-variable experience with Duxbury Island Creek Oysters - some of the best of my life were at East Coast Grill and further noted as "very stressed" on the chalkboard which bartender explained was due to being in an area where tides vary widely and they have to hold on tighter and are therefore plumper/meatier - I like the story, but don't know if I buy it, but they were some of the best oysters EVER and subsequent Island Creeks have generally been really good but not truly memorable like those.

                Wellfleets seem to be pretty consistent in my experience.

                I find Neptune, Legal (yes, really thought the shucking at Park Square has been bad recently), East Coast Grill, Kingfish Hall and Summer Shack (one of the very few items I will order there - great shucking every time at Alewife) to be reliable to top notch spots for oysters.

                Most recent memorable oysters were months ago at Neptune - Glacier Bay from Alaska! Unique and wonderful.

                Also a fan of Fanny Bay from Vancouver Island but don't come across them often on the East Coast - they are huge, creamy, and amazing.

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                1. re: rlh
                  Richard Hurts RE: rlh Jan 9, 2009 06:29 AM

                  I find the Wiannos to be a better more consistent oyster than the Island Creeks.

                2. hotoynoodle RE: gyppielou Jan 9, 2009 06:55 AM

                  where is the "myth" part of this post? you're simply stating where you've had good and bad island creeks. (which we know is a co-op from duxbury, right?)

                  oyster storage, handling, and proper shucking are major for good flavor, as is rapid turn-over.

                  99% of the oysters served around here are all virginicus. all the same kind. but like terroir for wine, where they grow is what makes them taste different.

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                    lovinlinecook RE: hotoynoodle Jan 9, 2009 10:48 AM

                    I would have to say the lack of consistency in Island Creeks around Boston would have to be the handling of the oysters by place serving them. Having served Island Creeks for several years I have always found them to be extremely consistent.
                    For the record, there seems to be some confusion in the designation--Wellfleet, Island Creek, Blue Pointetc. While Island Creek is a collective of oyster farmers in Duxbury Harbor and the local estuary water/river that is organized and run by Skip, Shore and the boys, Wellfleet is a much more ambiguous term. Anybody who has been the to the Wellfleet oyster festival has seen the multiple farmers in the area in addition to the wild wellfleets available (interestingly there are no wild oysters in Duxbury only farmed). That means when you order a Welfleet oyster you could be eating an oyster produced by a variety of farmers. Also, "Duxbury" oysters are produced by a farmer that is not part of the Island Creek group of farmers. That all being said I would put in my two cents for "Bee's River" oysters out of Eastham as being the most consistent oysters that can be found around town-and so deliciously briny as well.

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                      T.Clark RE: lovinlinecook Jan 9, 2009 12:25 PM

                      Duxbury Bay has cold water (as does any bay on the north side of cape cod) making it too cold for oysters to spawn on their own. Spawning causes stress. Island Creeks as well as "the other farmers oysters" have to be sewn like a crop. Oysters on the south side of Cape Cod and everything further south of that will produce different (read inferior) oysters.
                      The only time I'd avoid the local oysters is in the beginning of the summer when a warm current invades our area for a short time. Warm water also stresses the oysters building up shell and liquor instead of meat. Gyppielou ...What time of year were you eating the Island Creeks?

                      FWIW- there was a fun article about the IC driver in this months Improper Bostonian.

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                        hotoynoodle RE: T.Clark Jan 9, 2009 01:49 PM

                        btw, oysters spawn in the summer months, whch is what really affects the texture. the water here never really gets all that warm, unlike gulf oysters. (yuk.)

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                          MaineLobstah RE: T.Clark Jan 10, 2009 03:58 AM

                          North side too cold? Not sure I understand that. I've eaten "natural" oystahs all up and down the coast. Do you mean too cold for specific oysters?


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                            gyppielou RE: T.Clark Jan 10, 2009 10:49 AM

                            I eat them all year long - months with r, months without. I only avoid them when the red tide sweeps in.

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                              chevrelove RE: T.Clark Jan 10, 2009 01:10 PM

                              I was just about to post on the Improper article, but you beat me to it! Has more to do with the delivery driver than the oysters, but does mention a number of the restaurants carrying Island Creeks.

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                                almansa RE: chevrelove Jan 11, 2009 09:38 AM

                                That's how he always introduces himself. I get a kick out of it. It's more of a pastime for him. I think he sells medical supplies.

                            2. re: lovinlinecook
                              gyppielou RE: lovinlinecook Jan 10, 2009 10:46 AM

                              I bet Caffe Bella gets their Duxbury Oysters from that other guy. Do you have a name?

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                                T.Clark RE: gyppielou Jan 10, 2009 11:47 AM

                                Sorry George is all I know him by, Greek sounding last name. I think there's a little Hatfield and McCoy between the two. Don't see why his oysters wouldn't be close if not exactly the same as IC's. Haven't had "the other" guys oysters so I can't say for sure. Terroir war in Dux ?

                                A plug for Island Creek:

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                                  almansa RE: T.Clark Jan 10, 2009 12:30 PM

                                  George Shamma, Oystah Fahmah.

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                                    T.Clark RE: almansa Jan 10, 2009 12:54 PM

                                    When you say it like that it doesn't sound so Greek.......;)

                            3. re: hotoynoodle
                              barleywino RE: hotoynoodle Jan 10, 2009 04:20 AM


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                              FriedClamFanatic RE: gyppielou Jan 9, 2009 12:35 PM

                              If you ever get to try a Fishers Island Oyster, you'll be spoiled for life

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                                globalgourmand RE: FriedClamFanatic Feb 9, 2009 09:44 AM

                                Fisher Island? These are not in my Geography of Oysters book! Can I find them locally? How about in RI?

                                Anyone ever had an Apalachicola? I'm curious.

                                My local favorites are still Island Creeks. My global favorite so far were Miyajimas out in Japan. From a street vendor, just roasted 'til the shell opens. To put it coarsely: big, warm, raw, slurp!

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                                  lexpatti RE: globalgourmand Feb 9, 2009 01:54 PM

                                  I just got that book and love it, so far. Fascinating stuff about oysters. What's the opinion on Moonstone Oysters - I dont see it mentioned.

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                                mollydingle RE: gyppielou Jan 9, 2009 04:47 PM

                                When available, I much prefer Malpeque or Summerside oysters., although I like the Wiannos as well.
                                I think I prefer my oysters from northern waters. To me the southern ones taste fishier, rather than the crisp brine I love. On the plus side, I think the southern ones take to cooking better. (roasting or grilling)

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                                  gyppielou RE: gyppielou Jan 10, 2009 10:42 AM

                                  WOW some really great and informative stuff here - thanks everyone for sharing!

                                  1. galangatron RE: gyppielou Feb 9, 2009 10:15 AM

                                    kaki fry (japanese style fried oysters) are now available at tampopo in the porter exchange building

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