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Should I really give gin another try?

I've been reading a lot of the old posts here and there are of course many gin lovers. It is tempting me to do something I usually regret but do from time to time anyway, try gin again. Sadly the only two gin's I remember trying right off the top of my head are tanqueray and some seagrams. I wasn't wowed by the botanicals, I felt like someone ran the christmas tree through the juicer. I'm considering trying another brand that I know I haven't had before though like tanqueray 10 or hendricks.

To give you an idea of my tastes I love fine beer although I can't drink it anymore. Cocktails I might make or order are a vodka gibson (none of that threaten the shaker with vermouth business either, it gets a reasonable splash), rob roy, rusty nail, old fashioned, vodka + cranberry, neat wild turkey, or a good single malt just off the top of my head.

So what do you think? Have I just had gin's that are too juniper heavy or am I one of those people that doesn't like such things in his drink?

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  1. Puritans, Plymouth and the Perfect Gin
    You may wonder why a Scotsman is responding to a post on London Dry Gin? Well, despite it's generic name, most of the gin in the UK is made in Scotland. I know, you're amazed. Although the gin I think you'll like is made at the other end of Britain. So. getting to the heart of the matter, I suspect that it is most likely that you just dont like heavy botanicals in your drink - not liking the taste, however faint, of juniper, is a wee bit of a problem. But before you give up altogether, let's have one last try. Forget Hendricks - all brand, fancy old bottles and a strange insistence on using cucumber garnish. And don't even think about Bombay Sapphire. No, track down Plymouth English Gin. A fruitier, coriander, rooty dryness dominate - not juniper as is the case with most if not all London gins. If you're a real man, try Plymouth Navy Strength at 57 degrees. And yes, it IS ironic that this gin is distilled in the place where those epitomes of unbridled happiness, the Puritans, set out in the Mayflower in 1620. You will recall they escaped to America as the Founding Fathers (much to the surprise of the actual founding aboriginals) for the religious freedom to whine and nag everyone who looked even remotely happy. They would never have tolerated Chowhounds. And they would have burned anyone found sipping a good pink gin at the end of a long day killing the locals. Enjoy this devil's brew. And when you grow up completely, stick to Scottish single malts! God's own tipple!

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    1. re: hungryscotsman

      I concur. Plymouth is a great introduction to the wonders of gin. Not to Junipery and at a lower proof as well

      1. re: quazi

        Third Plymouth. It's great stuff for a super reasonable price.

      2. re: hungryscotsman

        Thanks for the recommendation, I might have to give it a try. Corriander is one of my favorite spices so that could be a good match.

        1. re: Soybomb

          if you like coriander, perhaps try some Old Raj saffron gin

          1. re: Soybomb

            I thought I'd report back, I bought a bottle of Plymouth yesterday afternoon. I'm just coming off being sick so it isn't the ideal time to be tasting anything but I couldn't resist. I started with some just poured over rocks right from the bottle. I really don't think I picked up anything other than juniper (hopefully the next few days will let me pick up the other stuff), but it was much less than what I'm used to. It seemed to be just slightly sweet and oddly enough had absolutely no burn at all. Over the rest of the evening I tried some gin cocktails I just never make like the martini, gimlet, and gin rickey. Overall I think it was a positive experience. I'll probably wait a few days until my sinuses are 100% and try it again on the rocks and in a martini. I could probably sway a few gin hating peers with it. I'll probably keep some of the other recommendations on a list and maybe keep gin a shot in the future, just watching out for the juniper strong ones.

            As a side note though about it being a good value, I noticed in one of the other threads here that someone mentioned they had a price increase. My bottle was $22 in a a rural area, if I buy it closer to a large city I'll probably be paying $25 in my state.

            Is there any particular name that is given to such gins?

            1. re: Soybomb

              Plymouth Gin is actually a Plymouth style gin. It's the only one being made these days, to my knowledge. You may also want to give Hendrick's Gin a try. the most prominent note in it is cucumber, along with a nice assortment of other botanicals and some juniper.

              1. re: Soybomb

                Just coming off being sick? You 'missed' the chance of trying an old fashioned cure-all - hot gin and lemon.
                Muddle a half lemon or so (in a mug), add sugar to your liking, stir in some boiling water, add gin (I like citadelle, but it's heavy on botanicals. Actually any gin'll do) drink while hot. Repeat.
                May won't cure the cold, but sure alleviates the symptoms{:/)

          2. try substituting gin for whiskey or scotch in your Rob Roy or Rusty Nail and see whether you like it-- makes for a cleaner lighter drink when you don't want something as heavy as whiskey. If you like that, try branching out by adding a drop of Benedictine, Chartreuse or Maraschino etc to your gin/sweet vermouth mix.

            1. Definitely try Plymouth gin it is not as Junipery as the others, I really think you may like it. It is one of my favorite gins.

              Check out this post about Plymouth gin.

              1. My favorite way to enjoy Plymouth Gin is with seltzer/club soda. It opens up the flavors and aromas and not only makes for recreation, it makes a very refreshing beverage.

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                1. re: phantomdoc

                  I always have a fifth of Plymouth gin in my freezer. I usually drink vodka (pure grain alcohol), but gin is pure grain alcohol with various flavorings. Plymouth is practically the only gin I really like.

                  1. I know that I'm a little late here but I just thought I would add to the thread.

                    I personally like Tanqueray, I don't mind the heavy juniper taste. But you might want to try a couple of others that are a little different. Hendrick's and Bluecoat. You might not be able to get Bluecoat where your from, but if you can, give it a try, it's a little more on the citrus side and Hendrick's is a little different as well.

                    Q-Gin is pretty smooth and more like Vodka.

                    But again, I stick with the Tanq. My favorite mixed drinks are the gimlet and of course Tanqueray & Tonic. You might want to try these two, both the tonic and lime juice take a little bit of the "pine taste" out of the gin.

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                    1. re: theginguy

                      Great suggestions, what about a try at Plymouth for a really different taste? Try it out some night so as not to pay the expense if it not what you like. I also will go for the more juniper taste sometimes, especially in summer but I may actually be craving the tonic more than the juniper as I also like rum and tonic then....wedge of lemon....

                    2. Am I the only person who actually likes Seagram's?

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                      1. re: venividibitchy

                        About a year ago my wife and I did a blind tasting of gins using about 10 different wee bottles and tasting the gin neat. To our surprise we both rated the Seagram's on the high side. Tanqueray was still the fav.

                        1. re: JohnE O

                          I like the idea of a blind taste-test. What other brands were included, if you don't mind?

                          I've had Tanqueray (regular, not Tanqueray 10) before, and while it was good and I have no complaints, it was still a little low in botanicals for mixing, in my opinion. Bombay Sapphire is even worse for such a purpose.

                          1. re: venividibitchy

                            The ones I remember are Tanqueray, Bombay (regular), Seagrams, Burnetts and Hendricks. After about 5-6 shots of gin in an hour things got a little fuzzy.

                      2. Philadelphia Distillers just came out with an amazing gin called Bluecoat - flavorful without that too-heavy pinesoly, juniper flavor. If you don't like this, you really don't like gin!

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                        1. re: thirstygirlpa

                          I wouldn't go so far as to say that if you don't like Bluecoat you don't like gin. It's a very good gin, but it took a few drinks to grow on me. The botanicals stop just short of overwhelming. I couldn't make up my mind if I loved it or hated it, although I eventually settled on the former.

                          It's something every gin drinker should try, but I wouldn't recommend it at all to someone who doesn't know if they like gin.

                          1. re: thirstygirlpa

                            Just came out with Bluecoat? Bluecoat is their flagship brand and has been out since 2006.

                            1. re: JMF

                              Well it's not particularly easy to find, at least around here. Gin is woefully underrepresented in liquor stores, in MD anyway. They'll have 40 different vodkas including bubblegum flavor, and five or six gins, from Seagrams to Bombay Sapphire. For a true gin lover, it's a sad state of affairs.

                              1. re: JMF

                                Bluecoat made it to the South Florida market around mid last year (good distributors are hard to find). I wouldn't be surprised if other states have suffered similarly.

                                1. re: Icantread

                                  I just remembered that they were only available in PA and NJ the first year or two, and have only been getting in to other states recently. I tend to forget things like this since I usually get a bottle of a new brand right away, or even before it's publicly available.

                                  1. re: JMF

                                    showoff. Meanwhile, I have to continually contact producers to see if they have any avenues to Miami

                            2. I can't stand the stuff (gin), but that's not the point. The point is: what reason is there to give it another try? There's no benefit (health, for instance) in drinking it, and if I want to drink alcohol, there are plenty of drinks I do enjoy.

                              Maybe if you're trying to impress a date who likes a guy/gal who drinks gin...

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                              1. re: Muskrat

                                What's the reason? Because each spirit has unique tastes. Nothing wrong with revisiting something you thought you didn't like, kinda like brussel sprouts. Just because you got sick on gin or tequila in your past life doesn't mean you should never drink it again. I was never a big gin drinker and may have some fuzzy bad memories but I've rediscovered it as well as tequila and they both wonderful each with a unique taste and quality. I certainly don't drink any spirit for it's health benefit but simply for it's taste and drink most all spirits neat.

                                1. re: scubadoo97

                                  Agreed. So many tastes are acquired tastes. And once you acquire them, they may be among your favorites. A real shame to simply reject something out of hand and never give it a second chance. You could wind up missing out on the love of your life.

                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                    Actually, a person's palate changes over the course of their life. In my 20s, I used to hate hate hate vodka--so much that I could spot a few ounces in a huge pot of pasta sauce! Once I hit my early 30s, suddenly, inexplicably, I started to not only NOT MIND, but ENJOY the nuances of vodka. Always revisit your perceived enemies. You may learn something about yourself!

                                2. re: Muskrat

                                  I'm always up for trying something again, but if you don't like it, why force it? You won't impress anyone by suffering through something and there haven't been any medical benefits found to drinking high alcohol drinks. Stick to something you like!

                                  1. re: Muskrat

                                    Not to pile on, but my rule is that if people whose tastes I generally agree with like something and I don't, I revisit the food item from time-to-time to see if my tastes have changed. As I've aged, I've discovered that I like more challenging/interesting flavors.

                                    Honestly: did you like beer or wine or whiskey the very first time you tasted them? I doubt many Campari lovers went "yummy" the first time they tasted it. I tasted Campari (and/or Cynar) about once every 3-5 years from age 20 to about 35 before the light bulb (taste buds?) went off. It is now one of my most favorite flavors.

                                    1. re: EvergreenDan

                                      I remember going to Europe after high school. First introduction to beer was in England. I had a hard time drinking it. By our next stop in Rotterdam it was begining to taste okay. By the end of the trip beer A Okay by me.

                                      Still no love for Campari although I have a bottle on my bar. About everything else if fair game.

                                      1. re: scubadoo97

                                        Since this is a Gin thread, just for fun tonight try a Gin and Tonic, but instead of tonic use a bit of Campari and soda water. Lots of lime. If you still don't like it, try a tiny amount of sugar to simulate the sweetness of the tonic water. Start with maybe 1/2 oz Campari to see what it's like and add more. Great drink, especially in warm weather.

                                        As my appreciation for bitter has grown, I've gone from liking Campari and soda very weak (maybe 1 to 1 1/2 oz Campari, rest soda) to quite strong (maybe a splash or two of soda).

                                  2. I feel like I should update this thread. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I did give it another try and wound up going with plymouth. I'm glad I did, I like it a great deal. I actually cleaned my liquor store out of their remaining stock at $20 a bottle. Sadly it looks like when its gone I'm looking at $30 bottle prices. It makes a heck of a martini with lillet blanc. It did prompt me to go back and try some of the other gins with more juniper in them too. I have more appreciation for it now in a gin and tonic. When I feel like spending money on top shelf liquor I'm not sure that I'll be buying gin often, but a nice gin and tonic is a good summer drink.

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                                    1. re: Soybomb

                                      Plymouth is what got me back on gin after over a 10 year absence due to over-indulgence.

                                      1. re: KTinNYC

                                        Plymouth is what got me off of my anti-gin kick. Between realizing that there were more than one kind of gin and finding places that knew how to make a balanced drink, all of a sudden my gin tastebuds started growing. I still don't want to drink straight london dry gin, but would gladly take it in a well make drink.

                                        1. re: jgg13

                                          The French 75 made with Plymouth did it for me.

                                    2. On the subject of gin... NO ONE EVER MENTIONS HOLLAND GIN, aka JENIEVER! Granted, the style has gone out of fashion. But still, it is gin... proto-gin really. I've only tried one so far: Genevere by Anchor Distilling (San Francisco), but it really puts the genre of gin into perspective... and I can't wait to try others! (Supposedly, Bols makes one, but it's not available in PA.)

                                      How is Jeniever different? Well, London-dry gin, by contrast, is dry... so Jeniever is sweet. The Anchor variety has an amazing nose when you open the bottle: chocolate cake, hazelnuts and pistachios dominate with hints of citrus and spice. (Think of the way a "Chocolate Cake" shot tastes, even though theres nothing remotely chocolate in the ingredients.)

                                      Genevere is downright tasty over rocks. Mixing with it is proving a bit more challenging. (The Tom Collins just didn't work at all, but a Genevere Fizz will probably be quite nice.) In any case, if you think you don't like gin... find a bottle of Jeniever and experiment with that.

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                                      1. re: scQue814

                                        Please keep postings your experiences. Have you tried the obvious (Martini), and if so, what proportions? I have a bottle of Bols that I just bought and haven't started to experiment with. CocktailDb lists almost a dozen recipes for "genever". Some seem like they have so many other flavors that the high cost wouldn't be justified.

                                        1. re: EvergreenDan

                                          I've had dozens of excellent Bols Genever cocktails. It doesn't always work in some variations of dry gin based cocktails because it is a very different spirit. But it sometimes works in spins on whiskey based recipes because the malt spirit is the main character. It's a great spirit to play around with, especially if you keep it simple.

                                          Here's a link to a weekly cocktail blogger night when we focused on Bols Genever.

                                          Here's a link to some cocktails that Allen Katz created.

                                        2. re: scQue814

                                          Genever isn't necessarily sweet. The main characteristic is that it is malty. It is a malt spirit base, with botanicals, mainly juniper and the other prime suspects.

                                          Genever, ie, Holland style gin, is the original style of gin. It may be an acquired taste for gin drinkers. It is a much heavier and more complex spirit than a dry gin.

                                          The Anchor Genevieve isn't the best example. Bols Genever is excellent. Then there are the Jonge (young or newer style) and Oulde (older style) from Boomsa, Damrak Amsterdam style, Zuidam Genever, and more. (Zuidam also makes an excellent dry style as well.)

                                          1. re: JMF

                                            Hi I' d persevere, and tryout a few brands. That's the beauty of gin, unlike vodka they all taste really different. I personally like Hendrick's, but it's strong cucumber flavour is perhaps a little closer to a flavoured vodka than other gins. So maybe a good starting point for some. Other great gins are Beefeater 24 and, another personal favourite Martin Miller's, both are new style gins with a softer juniper nose but still made in the traditional manner.

                                            1. re: Tom349

                                              Plymouth was my favorite gin until absolut acquired the brand for distribution in the US, changed the bottle and felt they could raise the price from yes $14.99 to in some locations $33.99. What a joke!!! Would like to get my hands on navy strenght but na here in the states. I am a firm believer in drinking what you like not what others tell you to like. Price does not equal quality. If you need help in rating any wine, spirit or beer try tastings.com interesting reading.

                                        3. Plymouth and Martin Miller's are 2 of my favorite gins, and I keep that bottle of Lillet Blanc in the fridge and ready for the Vesper cravings! I love playing with Gin and fresh herbs from the garden with some lemon or lime and sometimes another ingredient like Maraschino or Green Chartreuse. I think anyone who's on the fence about Gin should have a French 75; such a beautiful and refreshing cocktail!

                                          1. Lots of responses directing the original poster to gins that, well... gins that don't taste like gin. Let me take another direction. I love gin, it is what I drink 90% of the time but I don't drink gin and tonics (although Hendricks and a good tonic is a very nice drink) or martinis (although I love a good martini, and a good martini in my opinion is neither dirty or dry), no, I drink drink gin neat, straight shots at room temperature. I am a fan of Beefeaters and Tanqueray but my favorite is Junipero by Anchor Distilling. It is a high quality gin that wallows in juniper, other flavors are there but the juniper stands out in a way that I have not experienced in any other gin. Oily and sharp and smooth as they come this is an amazing beverage that I highly recommend even though I know most will hate it. Gin is complex and very much different from what we are used to tasting today, but if you stick with it you will acquire not just a taste for it but a love for it. Lang leve jeneverbes!

                                            1. I have been drinking gin since I was 9 years old. Thats RIGHT - NINE. Now I am 65. My wife and I got tired of paying a premium price for Beefeater and picked up the same size bottle of Gilbey's gin for half the price. We still cannot tell the difference in taste and continue to enjoy nightly.

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                                              1. re: joew99

                                                Okay, I'll ask what everyone is thinking? How is it that you came to start drinking gin at age 9? And I thought I was precocious in this regard!

                                                I haven't tried Gilbey's. How do you normally enjoy it?

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                                                1. re: EvergreenDan

                                                  Dan - Passing my father's liquor cabinet way back in the day, I was stopped by curiosity as to what might be in here. Seeing this bottle of clear liquid, I opened it and was taken by the beautiful smell of herbal essense (having no idea what those words meant then). It SMELLED delicious. I took a tiny sip, shuddered a lttle bit, put it away and walked away realizing I did something wrong but enjoying it at the same time. So until I became of legal drinking age, I think 18 at the time, those type of limited episodes was my extent of drinking gin, so limited that my father never noticed that any was missing. At 18, gin and tonic became my favorite drink along with gin rickies and tom collins. I did not graduate to extra dry gin martinis till my late twenties. Today, I drink Gilbey's with my gin and tonics which is my every evening cocktail but probably out of habit will still order the Beefeater martini when out for dinner. Happy Holidays!

                                                  1. re: joew99

                                                    Nice story. Thanks. I picked up a bottle of Gilbey's and tasted it side-by-side (not blind) with Beefeater. I have to agree with you that it is a perfectly nice gin. The comparison is complicated by the difference in proof (Gilbey's at 40% and Beefeater at 47%). The Beefeater has a oilier mouthfeel, more heat, and a bit more pronounced juniper. I did not titrate the Beefeater down to 40%.

                                                    Fortunately gin is affordable!

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                                                    1. re: joew99

                                                      Well, if your dad was anything like mine, he noticed.... believe me, he noticed. But, he was okay with it as long as it didn't get out of hand..... Most dads were kids once too.

                                                2. a) If you don't like gin, why try to force yourself? I don't get it.

                                                  b) If you insist, try Hendrick's -- it's the gin for people who don't like gin.

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                                                  1. re: zin1953

                                                    >a) If you don't like gin, why try to force yourself?

                                                    Forcing yourself to try things every so often is how you acquire new tastes. Those new tastes tend to be very rewarding. This applies broadly, not just to cocktails.

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                                                    1. re: EvergreenDan

                                                      It's not a matter of "trying new things," Dan -- or, at least, that's not how I took the OP. I agree one should try new things. OTOH, if you try it and don't like it, why continue to torture yourself in hopes of acquiring a taste for it? Sounds like torture to me, and probably against the UN Charter of Human Rights . . .

                                                      I like Scotch, for example, but I dislike the heavy, (to *my* taste) overly-peaty malts from Lagavulin and Laphroaig. I know that many people find these delicious and are among their absolute favorite whiskies. That's fine. I'm glad they like them. But I don't want to keep trying those suckers in hopes of liking them one day. (Think of it as a public service -- by not drinking them, there's more for the people who love them!) If I'm drinking malt, I prefer whiskies like The Macallan or Highland Park . . . but that said, I drink far less Scotch today than I did, say, in the 1980s.

                                                      MY point, Dan, is that -- yes, absolutely -- one should try (in this case) gin. But having tried it and found it not to your taste, why force yourself to keep trying it in the hopes of acquiring a taste for it? What's wrong with not liking gin?

                                                      On the other hand, there's always Hendricks . . . .

                                                      1. re: zin1953

                                                        ...While I can certainly appreciate Zin's comment, I think he leaves an important (and scientific) point out of the equation: you literally have different tastebuds every few years. Just because you didn't like something in 1993 does not mean you will not like it in 2000 or 2013. (I had this phenomenon happen to me with vodka. Used to just naturally hate the stuff--not from overindulgence--and could even spot it in a huge batch of pasta sauce. Now, I love the experience of most vodkas. Still think Absolut is abolutly horrible, though.)

                                                        Also, there is scientific evidence that trying things that one finds challenging actually creates new pathways in the brain. Also, the chemical reaction in the brain to an unliked flavor is decreased every single time you taste it... meaning you actually develop less of an aversion to it every time. This study was done with rats and people to study "supertasters" and their aversion to bitter things. Look it up; it is quite fascinating!

                                                        In short--and to put it a bit more colloquially--people who don't try new things (or re-visit things they don't like) really do stagnate their brain development and eventually turn into curmudgeonly old men and women. "Old fuddy-duddies" I like to call them.

                                                        1. re: scQue814

                                                          It's not just new taste buds, but every time you experience a taste, it changes your perceptions of taste, so that as you age, your tastes change. until the sad day when your taste buds start to die off.

                                                          1. re: JMF

                                                            I am not trying to be an "old fuddy-duddie," nor am I trying to flog a dead horse . . . nonetheless, because (apparently) I am a glutton for punishment.

                                                            I completely agree with the idea that one's tastes evolve over time. If nothing else, spending 35 years in the wine trade, and tasting anywhere from 10 to as many as 400 wines every week for most of that time has proven that to me. Again and again.

                                                            That said, there are also some constants. I still don't like rutabagas, for example, and I've never developed a taste for off-dry, low acid California Chenin Blanc or White Zinfandel. I still prefer (most) French wines to (most of) the similar "equivalent" wines from California. And yet, I prefer Burgundy and Rhône wines now to Bordeaux -- certainly not where I started -- and I have developed a great fondness for the reds from Spain and Portugal over the past 20 years or so.

                                                            I enjoy Bourbon, now more so than when I was younger and preferred Scotch; but I prefer Rye to most Bourbons. I still have a fondness for Cognac, Armagnac, and Calvados.


                                                            My point is simply this: you / the OP / anyone want to try Gin once, twice, three times, do it by all means. You want to come back to it after five years? ten years? whatever? Go ahead. (Not even the LAPD S.W.A.T. team will kick in your front door for doing so.) But at what point does it become akin to hitting your head against the wall?

                                                            There is a difference between tasting something once, twice, even seven times over the span of many years . . . and forcing something down your throat you can't stand. One is satisfying a reborn curiosity; the other strikes me more as hitting one's head against the wall. (I know, "but it feels SO good when you stop!")


                                                            1. re: zin1953

                                                              I think my only point in replying at all, Zin, was that (without the context that your most recent reply provides--your claimed indicate that you have a fairly educated palate) anyone reading your prior post would take it as "if you tasted gin once, you never need to try it again", which is both a disservice to the spirit of this board and a disservice to any casual readers thereof.

                                                              I've turned many non-gin customers onto gin within the past few years. Part of that is the selection of gins that are now available, and part of that is the re-examination of their palates. To not point that out might be "detrimental" to new users.

                                                              Zin, thanks for clarifying your previous post!

                                                        2. re: zin1953

                                                          When I first started drinking beer, I couldn't handle anything with a discernible flavor of hops. I liked my beers ice cold, fizzy, yellow and mostly flavorless. I grew up in the PNW though, so I felt almost surrounded by hoppy beers and was constantly in a position of trying them so that people could see my face and realize that no, I really didn't like them. A few years later, I really wanted a drink and all that was in the house was a bottle of Stone's Ruination IPA. If I hadn't had such a bad day, there's no way I would have even given it a try. I did though and guess what? I loved it. And it started a decade long love affair with hops. I think that love also played into how quickly I adapted and enjoyed amari.

                                                          Scotch worked similarly for me. Hell, outside of flavors: There's a ton of music, art, television, ideals, etc that were totally against anything I'd like when I first had them. Or when I'd had them 10 times or 20. Still don't like all of them, but I'm glad I'm willing to keep trying things every so often. Sometimes I get surprised and that opens a whole new world.

                                                          Just my little personal bit about why it's good to give this stuff second, third and maybe even more chances.

                                                    2. 209 and tonic would be my recommendation, but if gin is just not your thing it won't make a difference.

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