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skinless vs. natural casing hot dogs

Soup Jan 3, 2009 04:03 PM

I love hot dogs in natural casing and I love Nathans, shofar and hebrew national hotdogs. However, in grocery stores, I can only find Nathan, Shofar and HN hotdogs in skinless form only I have never see natural casing dogs being sold by any grocery. Why is this the case?


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    chowmel RE: Soup Jan 3, 2009 05:38 PM

    I can always find natural casing dogs in grocery stores here near Boston. Both at their deli counters and in the packaged meat sections. Maybe the manager will order them for you ?

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      hotdoglover RE: Soup Jan 4, 2009 05:16 AM

      Natural casing dogs, though much less common in grocery stores than skinless, should be available. I don't know where you're from, but many states don't really have a "hot dog culture" so they may be unavailable in most supermarkets. I've found that some of the better hot dog brands are found in a different area of the supermarket away from the regular hot dogs. Try the deli department or ask someone.

      Shofar and Hebrew National are kosher hot dogs and unfortunately do not have natural casings. Some delis and kosher butcher shops do sell Hebrew National franks with a collagen casing which does not violate kosher law.

      Keep looking. They are out there. Try a local German or European butcher shop or Pork Store if there is one in your area. Natural casing dogs, in my opinion, are much more preferable than skinless.

      1. Eric in NJ RE: Soup Jan 4, 2009 05:36 AM

        Here in New Jersey they stock them in the deli section rather than near the regular hot dog area. They certainly aren't Kosher but give Thuman's natural casing dogs a try they are my favorite.

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          jindomommy RE: Soup Oct 7, 2010 08:23 PM

          I love natural casing hot dogs. They are one of my favorite foods. I won't even bother eating a skinless hot dog. I live in Fort Lauderdale and people swear by this place called Hot Dog Heaven. I was surprised that they only carried skinless. When I asked why, they said that the elderly can't chew on the skins and that the young generation grew up on skinless. I can find one natural casing hotdog in our local Publix and that's Boar's Head. Not my favorite, but it's the only one I can find. They sell it in the deli section.

          1. monku RE: Soup Oct 7, 2010 08:32 PM

            Natural casing hot dogs can be more expensive to produce.

            I had a conversation with a rep for a food distributor and he said many people don't like natural casing hot dogs. So maybe it's a supply and demand type of thing

            I don't know where you live, but in the Los Angeles area if a store carries a natural casing hot dog it's only one brand if any. We have a supermarket chain that carries Nathans natural casing hot dogs.

            1. monku RE: Soup Oct 7, 2010 08:52 PM

              As I mentioned they are more expensive to produce and they do cost more.
              A package of Nathans natural casing hot dogs contains 6 hot dogs that weigh 2 ounces each costs on average of $5 at stores (12 oz. packages).

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              1. re: monku
                monku RE: monku Oct 7, 2010 09:10 PM

                Hot dog or steak?
                According to my math a pound of Nathan's natural casing hot dogs is around $6.70 a pound. You could buy some pretty good steak for that price.

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                  tommy RE: monku Oct 7, 2010 10:37 PM

                  But steak isn't a hot dog. And a $6.70/lb steak isn't a very good product.

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                    Krislady RE: tommy Oct 8, 2010 09:19 AM

                    My butcher shop often has beautiful rib-eyes for $5.99/lb., and our hot dog of choice (a local company - Zwiegle's) usually runs $6-7 for a 1-lb package with the natural casings.

                    I just can't bring myself to pay more for hot dogs than for steak.

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                      John E. RE: tommy Oct 8, 2010 06:59 PM

                      Where do you live? We can buy good ribeye for $5.99 a pound and t-bones for 6.99/pound, regular price. (Twin Cities)

                      I have spent quite a bit of time in Arizona and it surely isn't a hotdog cultured town. I too couldn't find natual casing hotdogs except at one meat market and the butcher was originally from Iowa. I thought the Nathan's skinless hotdogs were way too salty and skinny.

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                        tommy RE: John E. Oct 8, 2010 07:18 PM

                        I'm assuming those are supermarket quality Choice steaks? Yeah, they sell those by me, too.

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                          John E. RE: tommy Oct 8, 2010 07:30 PM

                          Supermarkets sell them at that price and so do meat markets. It's difficult to get prime steaks anywhere, the restaurents get them.

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                            tommy RE: John E. Oct 9, 2010 05:23 AM

                            My condolences.

                            I'd rather have an exceptional hot dog than a mediocre steak.

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                              Passadumkeg RE: tommy Oct 9, 2010 06:41 AM

                              Great beef here in NM, but I need to drive 75 mi. to Albuquerque to get decent dogs & sausages.

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                                tommy RE: Passadumkeg Oct 9, 2010 06:44 AM

                                Mail order!

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                                  Passadumkeg RE: tommy Oct 9, 2010 07:08 AM

                                  Yes. I've down that for kolbasi via Polana. But nothing is like South River/ E. Brunswick for good sausages!!!
                                  Ya, ya, I know a wee bit of hyperbole.

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                                    MGZ RE: Passadumkeg Oct 9, 2010 07:18 AM

                                    Agreeed - the best sausages come wrapped in paper, not plastic, and they've never been frozen.

                              2. re: tommy
                                John E. RE: tommy Oct 9, 2010 10:35 AM

                                Oh come on, you don't know that we have mediocre steak here. What's the matter with you? What's with the attitude?

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                                  tommy RE: John E. Oct 9, 2010 11:00 AM

                                  I can assume you don't have Prime beef, from what you said.

                                  I don't have an attitude, and while many things are the matter with me, none of those issues are necessarily manifesting themselves in my thoughts on hot dogs and steak. :)

                                  My comment was in response to discussion coming out of monku's comparison of steak and hot dogs (an absurd comparison IMO). The bottom line is I'd rather have an exceptional hot dog than a mediocre steak. That's not a commentary on you or your part of the world.

                                  And I'm definitely a natural casing guy.

                                  1. re: tommy
                                    John E. RE: tommy Oct 9, 2010 02:49 PM

                                    I didn't say we don't get prime beef. Re-read the post. You didn't answer my question about where you live and/or buying your beef. We usually buy our beef a steer at a time to share in our family from our teneant that raises beef cattle.

                                    My point is that in my part of the world, you can buy good steak for $6.70 per pound. We can also get good natural casing hotdogs for $3 per pound.

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                                      tommy RE: John E. Oct 9, 2010 02:59 PM

                                      That's an exceptional way of life, and I'll bring the wine; name the date. Grass fed? Grass fed trumps marbling in my book. Prime vs Choice goes out the window when you're dealing with a steer that is grass fed.

                                      I live in a place where people buy steak through the standard process. While north jersey is somewhat expensive, I suppose exceptional beef could be had in other parts of the country in certain situations for $6.70/lb. I'm wondering where monku gets his or her beef for that price, and what kind of beef it is.

                                      1. re: tommy
                                        John E. RE: tommy Oct 9, 2010 06:02 PM

                                        I've seen where beef can cost upwards of $17/per pound in NYC. That's unheard of in Minnesota.

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                                          tommy RE: John E. Oct 9, 2010 06:19 PM

                                          It costs more than that. Color me jealous.

                      2. re: monku
                        coll RE: monku Oct 8, 2010 04:44 AM

                        Natural casing is 50 cents more per lb, across the board.

                        You can get Sabrett NC for $3.69 at BJs around here.

                        People really are terrified to give this type of dog to kids, it is banned at most schools and day cares, along with peanut butter and whatnot.

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                          MGZ RE: coll Oct 8, 2010 06:08 AM

                          Natural casing hot dags are banned????

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                            monku RE: MGZ Oct 8, 2010 06:15 AM

                            Probably a choking hazard.

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                              MGZ RE: monku Oct 8, 2010 06:19 AM

                              Somebody's gotta have a better explanation then that.

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                                MGZ RE: MGZ Oct 8, 2010 07:50 AM

                                Although I found several references to calls for banning hot dogs in general at schools, my cursory research on the subject failed to show any actual frankfurter prohibitions regardless of the casing.

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                                  monku RE: MGZ Oct 8, 2010 08:15 AM

                                  Could it be natural casing on hot dogs is the same stuff they make condoms with?

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                                    MGZ RE: monku Oct 8, 2010 08:25 AM

                                    Then they'd give 'em away.

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                                  coll RE: MGZ Oct 8, 2010 03:20 PM

                                  Whether it happens or not, everyone in childcare thinks it's true
                                  But maybe just here in NY. People are adament about it, why do they even let kids eat hot dogs at all I don't know.

                                  1. re: coll
                                    tommy RE: coll Oct 8, 2010 03:45 PM

                                    Yeah, hot dogs are really horrible for you.

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                                      MGZ RE: coll Oct 9, 2010 07:23 AM

                                      OK. So that we're clear. There is no ban at all, much less "at most schools"? Just a few, random overprotective types afraid of unsubstantiated cancer risks and choking hazards who feel it necessary to report on the falling sky?

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                                        coll RE: MGZ Oct 9, 2010 12:09 PM

                                        Yeah they do ban it, but it's not a government kind of edict. Just little operations afraid of being sued. I know one school district that even banned the fake peanut butter, because they said that possibly one of the kids that ate it might go to a friend's house and eat some because he had the sunflower substitute at school and thought it was OK. New York is sue crazy, so maybe it's just here (I hope so for the world's sake).

                        2. Passadumkeg RE: Soup Oct 7, 2010 09:03 PM

                          Gotta have that SNAP! I love doggies, but gotta have skin. Skinless is like hagus w/out the stomach, bubble and squeak w/o the squeak, toad in hole w/out the hole, fish and chips w/out the batter.......got the idea?

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                            coney with everything RE: Passadumkeg Oct 8, 2010 07:08 AM

                            Hear, hear. Natural casing FTW.

                            Plenty of choices in the D...off the top of my head: Dearborn, Koegel, Kowalski, Winter, National Coney Island, all found in pretty much every grocery store.

                            You could get a mail order coney kit from American Coney, but it's not just the dogs

                            Or just the dogs

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                            mwallmwall RE: Soup Oct 8, 2010 08:28 AM

                            Pearl Meats (in Massachusetts) makes the best natural casing (Pearl Kountry Klub) frank. They have sold them in BJ's as well as some supermarkets. They'll ship 5 lb bags, but it is overnight ($$) and with the charge for cold shipping...$$$. I'd give them a call to find them near you.

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                              monku RE: mwallmwall Oct 8, 2010 08:42 AM

                              All those $$$'s I don't have to call they're out of my league.
                              Definitely could afford some prime steaks instead.

                              1. re: monku
                                Passadumkeg RE: monku Oct 8, 2010 09:31 AM

                                I think you've made your point.
                                Man can not live by steak alone.

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