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Jan 1, 2009 06:10 PM

kosher livingston subway closing

i heard as of jan 5, it will no longer be open.

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  1. Too bad. I wonder if it will just convert back to treif.

    BTW, how are you liking life out there now that it's been a few months?

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    1. re: DeisCane

      we like it alot even though all the kosher palces are closing/converting e.g. gimmee jimmy;s cookie bar, coldstone and now subway

      1. re: koshergourmetmart

        Good point! It's all your fault! ;-)

        On the flip side, we got Rita's and Fumio this past year.

      2. re: DeisCane

        What a shock. Let see, put three slices of meat on a roll, add lettuce and tomato and charge the kosher consumer $8.00. A real recipe for success. It is a time for restaurateurs of kosher establishments to realize that not all kosher consumers are suckers. We may be a captive audience but you can only fool us a few times.

        1. re: Foodtekie

          So why do you think it's so successful in the treif world? They may only be paying $5 for their sandwiches, but treif meat is also cheaper, so why don't they feel they are being overcharged for their three slices of meat, lettuce, and tomato? Not challenging you; it's a real question.

          1. re: queenscook

            Because the treif subways are competing against McDonalds and Burger King. Fast food options that people eat because they are cheap and everywhere. The kosher subways were positioned as destination restaurants that people travel to to eat at. Once the novelty of eating at a treif chain wears off there is little reason to eat there.

            1. re: queenscook

              I am told by non kosher acquaintances that the treif rest. includes the drink and side snack. Also, the treif cost $5.00 and not $8.00 and you can actually see the meat. Now I know why their spokeperson Jared Fogel lost so much weight eating subway. The treif franchises honor the franchise coupons, which the kosher ones don't, g-d forbid. I actually felt bad for my friends living in Livingston because this was their fast meat rest.

              1. re: Foodtekie

                What I would like to understand is why the Kosher subways (downtown manhattan, livingston) couldn't offer even a tuna footlong at $5. The livingston subway had it for $8, and I'm sure the downtown manhattan subway was more than that. For a short time, the downtown manhattan subway offered a footlong meatball or tuna sub for $6 - which I thought was pretty reasonable. Then they dropped that promo and it became a six-inch turkey or meatball for $6 - not much of a bargain.

                1. re: jdh11

                  You mean "why can't Kosher establishments be priced like non-Kosher?" The same reason you aren't paying $1.59/lb for chicken breasts or $3.99/lb for steaks at the grocery store.

                  That's why I think it's ridiculous to pay a franchising fee for a sandwich shop ON TOP of the premium for kosher ingredients and supervision. My current favorite "go-to" place in Chicago doesn't try to be anything other than a great-quality Kosher sandwich (and more) shop. He's not trying to copy anyone's $6, $7 or $8 sandwich and he's better off for it.

              2. re: queenscook

                I know what it's like to covet what you can't have. Growing up in a strictly kosher home, I used to lust after things like TV dinners. Even in Brooklyn, these things were not yet available kosher. Then I got to eat one at a friend's house - yuk!!!

                The reality of mass market fast food is that most of it is truly gross. It's sad that whole generations have come to consider this crap as normal. Subway's food is actually better than that at many other fast food places, but it is intended to be (1) fast, (2) cheap, and (3) ubiquitous. Subway was not, as avitrek notes, ever intended to be a destination restaurant.

                Subway's sandwiches are subs - not ungeshtupped deli sandwiches. They are about the whole megilla - not about the meat. At a "real" Italian sub/hero/hoagie place, it's typically the bread that takes centre stage. This is certainly not true at Subway. Indeed, Subway's in-store baking at their regular treif locations emits a truly noxious smell, rather than the normally divine aroma of baking bread.

                People buy the franchises because they confer instant name recognition, and thus business. People eat there because they recognize the name, know what to expect, and assume they won't get sick afterward. Subway is Subway, whether kosher or not. You are are simply learning the lesson that it isn't worth going to an out of the way destination in order to eat expensive, mediocre food just because it's kosher.

                A very few fast food chains did, indeed, have some menu items that were really special, but most of these have been debased over many years. The utterly delicious KFC fried chicken of forty-odd years ago was nothing like the dreck they sell today. Ditto the French fries at McDonald's.

                The success of those places that are actually successful comes mainly from saturation advertising - usually to kids. It saddens me when kids offered a choice of places at which to eat most often choose McDonald's. Many won't go anywhere else. They grow up to believe, as adults, that this virtually tasteless pap, created by food scientists and molecular biologists (rather than by chefs), is actually tasty food.

                If keeping kosher is right for you, don't waste your time, your emotions, or your money craving foods that aren't worth eating.

                1. re: embee

                  Exactly. Imagine a secular community anywhere in the world where the only restaurant of any kind was a Subway. After the initial excitement of having an actual restaurant died down people would be forced to decide whether they want to pay repeatedly for a mediocre experience or make a better meal at home.

                  Subway survives because it's a familar option for people who have numerous options. In a Kosher community where there are established quality Kosher options then maybe a Kosher Subway would be a nice diversion, but unless you already have a number of good options why would you aim for a Kosher Subway?

            2. re: DeisCane

              On the two or three occasions that I ate there, I always vowed never to go back. The food was terrible: stringy and cold, bad! It's worth the trip to NY to go to the Second Avenue Deli!

                1. re: DeisCane

                  maybe he should have said not if you keep glatt kosher/Shabbos

                  1. re: berel

                    Re: The Second Avenue Deli and kashruth. As we know, many have different standards, and for me, the Second Avenue Deli is perfectly kosher. Period. Maybe not for you, but that's okay.

                    1. re: Moishe

                      For me, 2nd Ave is perfectly ... delicious. I went through serious pastrami withdrawal after they closed -- then counted the days when I heard they were reopening.

            3. Kosher Subway-Baltimore
              I stopped in here and really was unimpressed. The veggies that they would added to the sandwich looked so bland. They have a salad option with deli, and this would have been one boring salad. I just couldn't see what the hoopla was all about. The schnitzel that they would have had on a sandwich was cut up and meager looking. My only comparison was to Schnitzi's in Brooklyn on Coney Island Avenue, where the salads and assorted dressings seemed sooo much more appealing.
              Not really surprised that such a place closed up.

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              1. re: jerseykosher


                I also visited Baltimore Kosher Subway from Brooklyn and I had a different experience after eating at the Brooklyn and Livingston kosher subways. Baltimore has all their meats handmade from their local butcher Wasserman and Lembergers who has a great reputation. The quality of the meat at the Baltimore Subway blew away what I get at the other kosher subways who use 999, Mealmart, etc.. I loved the Baltimore Kosher meat quality and the always love the Subway bread. Let's face it if not for the great bread that Subway bakes why would anyone one to get the cheap 999, Mealmart meats? When you can get good homemade deli on that bread I was very happy.... Maybe Livingston and the other kosher subways should upgrade their meats like Baltimore....