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Hi hounds, hope everyone had fun ringing in the New Year. Today I was getting caught up on the Seven Deadly Sins(History Channel) and just finished Gluttony. It was very interesting as it explained how it came to be one of the 7 deadlies and also touched on the opposite end of the spectrum(holy anorexics and holy men putting ashes on their food so they wouldn't take pleasure in eating it).

Just curious-was eating considered a pleasure in your household, or did you come to enjoy it more as an adult ? Also, do any of you feel guilty for taking such pleasure in eating or all the time spent on epicurean delights? I don't!! I'm certainly no glutton, but I do think certain co-workers and family member think of my chowishness as too indulgent, maybe a bit sinful...


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  1. I was brought up to enjoy and appreciate food, as well as art, music, and a soft cashmere. I think there should be more beauty, amazing tastes, etc. in the world. I've never met anyone who thinks enjoying food is "sinful" (except in the dietetic sense), nor do I want that type of person in my life.

    1. Eating in our household was always a pleasure. We were quite poor, so no epicurian delights, but we always had great food. Now, as a grownup, we can afford special foods and we delight in them and neither of us is a glutton. There is no guilt when we have something very special. I think about my Father and how much he might have liked some of the things we are having now.

      1. In my family we grew up appreciating food, but in quality, not quantity. Not quantity of food heaped on your plate or quantity of dollars that went into buying it, but how good it tastes and how much family member X loves you to make it for you. We're all crazy about food and spend a lot of time (and sometimes money, when we can afford it) on food, and yet gluttony doesn't seem like quite the right word...

        1. Yeah, I'm another child of poverty in a family of good to great cooks. There were no gastronomic sins in our family, except for wasting food; that would get you a painful correction. Between my father's family connection to the Midwest's more Southern heritage - traditions brought up from Kentucky and Tennessee - and my mother's German background, I had an amazing number of wonderful experiences at any number of tables. As for gluttony, while it was probably thought to be a bad idea in general, the sight of a really skinny kid going back to the potluck table for thirds and fourths - that would be me - just brought forth chuckles and references to hollow legs. Alas, I did outgrow the skinniness, but not the appetite...

          1. Yes and yes. Food and its enjoyment was very important growing up. I am not sure if it was cultural but I got the sense that my mother equated being able to feed a family abundantly with success. She was an artist and found cooking as a creative outlet. She was also nuts so there were all kinds of extremes when it came to meals,lol. When I was w/XDH his metabolism was very fast so we always ate well and food was a huge part of our life together. As a single person, food has a whole new angle. I am pretty indulgent because I get to do my own thing but it is never to the excess of my childhood or marriage. It's kind of nice because I am achieving a healthier less gluttonous relationship with food. Thanks for mentioning about the program, I'll have to check it out.

            1. Food was considered a pleasure in my childhood household. Quality was important, as was fresh, unprocessed food, and we were taught, within the limits of the time (many things less accessible than they are now, or not accessible at all), about a wide range of food. My mother used to make something special, one of the classics that took extra time to prepare, about once a week, and dinner that evening was a Big Deal. Growing up in a small town before the era of big supermarkets, our diet was very seasonal in orientation, but sometimes my father would order something special or exotic through mail-order. It might be a whole supply of premium steaks, or one can of fruit, rhum babas or pate we couldn't get locally. Much ado when those food treats from special places finally arrived and were served. We also went out to eat a lot at "fine dining" restaurants, and my parents used those occasions as a teaching opportunity, to show us the social niceties, as well as instruct us about different foods.

              I can't think of any time in my life, whether as a child, single young adult, married person, that the people in my life, family, friends, business associates, haven't been as involved with food as I and my family of origin have been. I've been fortunate enough to visit many excellent, diverse and interesting restaurants, inns and casual eateries in far flung places, and that's always been a priority with whoever I might be traveling with, for pleasure or business. We've shared a few moments that probably at least verge on gluttony, but usually the emphasis has been on quality, nutrition, preparation, enjoying the ambience, collegiality, and the earth's bounties and cultures, and trying to share some of our good fortune with those who aren't assured as a matter of course of having enough to eat.

              I pretty much eat as I want to. Sometimes, that involves a good amount, but, in other stretches, not as much, when I just don't feel like eating beyond sustenance. Not much of a surprise that that tends to run seasonally; food doesn't appeal to me quite so much in the hot, humid summer months as it does the rest of the year. And I myself would probably be a grazer of small amounts frequently if I didn't have a family whose work and school schedules dictate structured mealtimes.

              1. I guess I'll be the first to say that food in my family was (and is) not a matter of pleasure. My mom views food as nourishment, and she cooks relatively healthily. She's now a vegetarian. Similarly, she thinks off my chow tendencies as unhealthy, and rather costly.

                I consider my interest in food as backlash.

                1. We don't consider ourselves gluttons, but did make mince to eat on Christmas because it had been banned for holy days.

                  Delicious food has always been important in my family, with great cooking (not necessarily fine dining) being prevalent everywhere.

                  I don't think that my tastes are terribly sinful, but I have desired a trip to France with a trained pig to go truffle hunting. I have gone through phases of extreme vegetarianism, decadent dining, eating whatever was served at the hostels, searching out the oddest items on every menu...now I'm attempting to eat as locally as possible, as long as it tastes good (or can be transformed into something of my liking).

                  I'd rather not eat at all than consume bland and don't understand people who neither enjoy nor want to learn how to take pleasure in eating (healthy epicurean delights is also not an oxymoron).

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                  1. re: Caralien

                    We ate FRESH, we had a veggie garden for all of our fresh veg and my family raised pigs, cows, chickens for our consumption and we also hunted and fished. It was far from Gluttony, but for some it could have been Envy because how fresh everything was.

                    I am with you Caralien, I am not going consume bland foods or fast food, why waste my food consumption on something that I am not totally into or heightens my food experience....life is too short to eat BAD food ;)

                  2. i just saw this over my vacation! very interesting,.

                    1. My parents were depression babies. We appreciated food to the max. My mom was not an elaborate cook, but I've yet to ever taste a roast of any kind, in any great restaurant that can come close to any of hers. I don't know what it is, but she was a magician with a roast. (unfortunately I cannot get her secrets because her mind is gone from Alzheimer's). That said, we ate good food, nothing elaborate, mind you, but good unprocessed food. Never had snacks or soda. She always made a nice dessert with every meal and always from scratch. As an adult I've really honed in on good French food, but I save the gluttony for the holidays.