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AMFM Dec 29, 2008 08:01 PM

just saw the commercial and wondered if anyone had tried it... supertaster?

interesting to try and appeal to a different demographic. i haven't had pizza hut in years but occasionally get delivery on an emergency i just CAN'T do anything else night. it might make me try it above someone else mediocre.

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  1. Ruth Lafler Dec 30, 2008 06:48 PM

    "Natural" doesn't actually mean anything, you know.

    1. goodhealthgourmet Dec 30, 2008 07:29 PM

      from the same people who brought us the gut-busting PANormous pizza. funny stuff.

      for the record, the crust on the natural is touted as "multigrain" which is as meaningless as "natural." unless it's "whole" grain, it's made with refined flour.

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        AMFM Dec 30, 2008 07:41 PM

        they say no preservatives in the pepperoni and no high fructose corn syrup in the sauce. i never said i thought it was great. just interesting. am curious to see what it tastes like is all, don't actually think it's "healthy". although it may be better than the original.

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          goodhealthgourmet Dec 30, 2008 07:47 PM

          AMFM, i hope you didn't take offense - my comment wasn't directed at you, it was just a general musing. it probably is better than their standard pizza, but i don't know if that's saying much :)

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            AMFM Dec 30, 2008 08:25 PM

            agreed. hence why i haven't eaten it in years!
            i just can't help but wonder more details about this one. like what it REALLY is and what it tastes like! :) none taken.

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            Ruth Lafler Dec 30, 2008 08:52 PM

            Uh-oh. They must not have gotten the memo from the HFCS manufacturers about how "natural" HFCS is. There might be a nasty little war in agribusiness land! ;-)

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              AMFM Dec 31, 2008 05:36 AM

              LOL

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                cookie monster Jan 5, 2009 12:20 PM

                Do all the chain pizza places use HFCS in their sauce? Just curious, since none of them seem to list ingredients on their websites.

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                  Ruth Lafler Jan 5, 2009 12:57 PM

                  They don't say that other companies do have HFCS, only that they don't. I just looked and the one I could find ingredients for -- Domino's -- doesn't have HFCS. However, considering most BBQ sauce and ketchup does, then I wouldn't be surprised if most pizza sauce does.

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                    mojoeater Jan 11, 2009 10:12 AM

                    I just looked at a jar of Prego and a jar of Ragu. Neither of these has HFCS or even corn syrup as an ingredient. Seems to me that if these two mass-produced tomato sauces don't use it, HFCS may not be a common ingredient at chain pizza joints either. BBQ and ketchup are expected to be sweeter, so that may be the difference.

                    Papa John's website claims their sauce is "all natural" too.

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                      AMFM Jan 11, 2009 04:01 PM

                      the dole diced tomatoes with basil and garlic have it. gross - and shocking to many people trying to eat healthy. it's A LOT of places you wouldn't expect.

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            ferret Dec 31, 2008 07:22 AM

            Unless you live in a rural area there HAS to be a local mom & pop pizzeria that can do better. I'm fortunate enough to live in Chicago and although there's a Pizza Hut about a quarter of a mile from me there are easily 4 or 5 local places that are just as close but infinitely better. It astounds me that in that environment Pizza Hut still manages to draw customers.

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              rockandroller1 Dec 31, 2008 09:45 AM

              I don't live in a rural area and we have probably 8 "mom and pop" pizza places in a 5 mile radius around them. We have systematically tried all of them in the 5 years I've lived in this city, many of them more than once and none of them are good. Most are mediocre and nothing you'd bother getting again and some are downright awful. I support indies but indie doesn't automatically mean better. It's the same for diners and other small restaurants in my area. Most are just so awful you can't even eat the food, you're better off going to Perkins, and I think their food sucks.

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                Heatherb Jan 2, 2009 08:55 AM

                I live near Trenton, NJ, and it's hard to get bad pizza around here. Yet we have a Pizza Hut or two that survive quite well. I go there annually at best, but there is an appeal. If you ask anyone from my area though, I don't think we consider it really to be pizza. It's like something else entirely. Like, if we say "let's go for pizza", everybody knows we're going to a local joint. You'd have to specify that you were going to Pizza Hut otherwise everybody would think you were nuts. There was a Papa Johns here, but they closed pretty quickly. And Domino's does ok, but again, nobody says "let's go for pizza" when they mean "Domino's". We treat it as a different species of animal entirely.

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                  rochfood Jan 3, 2009 11:53 AM

                  When I go home to Trenton, I always go to Parkway Pizza" in Ewing for my pizza. Rochester pizza stinks. See my post below.

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                    Heatherb Jan 5, 2009 08:52 AM

                    :-) That's where my boyfriend's family gets their pizza from. It's excellent, but I still like DeLo's better.

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                rochfood Dec 31, 2008 10:05 AM

                Just another way to package a smaller pizza and charge more money. Like the 5 dollar medium pizzas at Domino. I rarely get pizza hut,,but I'll take it any day over Dominos and probably over just about all of the local chains here in Rochester where they voted Papa John's the city's best Pizza.haha. There is one local joint that serves true NYC thin crust, so that is my fav. But what passes for local pizza here is 3 inch thick doughy crusts. Man, they get the wings right, but stink at the doughy pizza. Hello thin crust. (Just like my "beef" with the local chinese rest's, good sauces and veggies, but usually substandard, fatty, grisltly meats.)

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                  AMFM Jan 1, 2009 07:02 AM

                  my thing with all the chains is that they do deliver. the local places are often pick up only. and that's a different thing. i MUCH prefer better pizza. but when i really need DELIVERY even in busy suburbia, i have little choice but to go with the chains.

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                    taylorlehmann Jan 11, 2009 10:24 AM

                    I've been searching for a Pontillo's or Checker Cab comparison in Boston for many years with no luck. Rochester and Buffalo NY have some of this countries best pizza's - too bad about Papa Johns.

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                    bagel Jan 6, 2009 10:54 AM

                    i don't know why everyone has to be so seemingly negative and cynical about this kind of stuff. isn't it possible that pizza hut really is trying to give us healthier eating options and not just 'scam' us by slapping a 'natural' label on more garbage?

                    instead of making these unfounded assumptions, why not just, oh i don't know, maybe read the nutritional facts that are posted on pizza hut's website?

                    from the nutritional facts sheet for 'the natural':

                    Natural Old World Sauce: Tomato paste, water, sugar, salt, granulated garlic, spices, olive oil, canola oil, citric acid.
                    Natural Whole Milk Mozzarella with Cheddar: Mozzarella cheese (pasteurized milk, cheese cultures, salt, en-
                    zymes), Cheddar Cheese (pasteurized milk, cheese cultures, salt, enzymes, annatto).
                    All-Natural Rustica Sausage: Pork, seasonings (spices, paprika, sugar, garlic powder, salt, spice extractive, citric
                    acid), water, salt.
                    All Natural Italian Sausage: Pork, seasonings (spices, paprika, sugar, garlic powder, salt, spice extractive, citric acid),
                    water, salt.
                    All-Natural Pepperoni: Pork, beef, salt, spice, water, flavor (cane sugar, natural flavorings) flavor (oleoresin of
                    paprika, natural spice extractives), lactic acid starter culture.
                    Fire Roasted Red Peppers: Red peppers.

                    So it looks like it really is all natural. Stop being so cynical, I think this is a really good thing that pizza hut is trying to do considering how unhealthy their other menu items are. not everyone lives in a town with a good mom and pop pizza chain, and just because it's a local pizza store doesn't necessarily mean it's any more healthier than pizza hut or dominos...

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                      Ruth Lafler Jan 6, 2009 01:19 PM

                      So how does that compare to the ingredients in their regular pizza? Is it really any healthier? Does it have less fat? Less calories? More vegetables? More fiber? Is it organic? Made using humane and sustainably raised ingredients?

                      "Natural" is a marketing catch word that doesn't, in fact, have any formal definition when used to describe a product. You could legally call anything "natural." Companies cynically use it because they know that people will believe that something called "natural" is healthier, and will pay a premium price for it. However, "natural" doesn't mean "healthier" -- being "natural" doesn't make cheese and pepperoni have fewer calories from fat.

                      If you want to eat pizza, eat pizza. If you want to eat "natural" pizza because it tastes better, then eat it because it tastes better. But don't fall into the trap of believing that because it's "natural" it's healthier.

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                        Bobfrmia Jan 6, 2009 04:01 PM

                        C'mon, Ruth. Natural Pepperoni has to better than Unnatural Pepperoni. I mean, isn't it from the best part of the pigs pepperoni? That has to be better than manufactured pepperoni from from just various parts of the pig.
                        I laughed out loud at "Natural Pepperoni".

                        1. re: Ruth Lafler
                          Davwud Jan 7, 2009 05:41 AM

                          I would suggest that it's healthier than having stuff full of preservatives (other than salt of course) in it. And who knows what other Frankenfood chemicals.

                          It may not be less caloric or less fat. But I'll take butter over margarine or butter substitutes.

                          DT

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                            Ruth Lafler Jan 7, 2009 08:39 AM

                            Right. Because there isn't a huge industry out there using people's emotions and predjudices to manipulate them into buying various products. Nope. People are way savvier than that!

                            Seriously, how many people do you think read about "natural" pizza and just assumed it was better without bothering to actually look and see what the difference is. And frankly, no, as a savvy consumer, I don't consider the pizza without "preservatives" to be healthier than "regular" pizza. There's no evidence that preservatives are unhealthy. I avoid foods with preservatives because I think the presence of preservatives indicates the food is an overly processed "industrial" food made with poor quality ingredients, not because I think preservatives are inherently unhealthy.

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                              vorpal Jan 23, 2009 09:56 PM

                              There may not be an overwhelming body of evidence demonstrating that any particular preservative is bad for you, but keep in mind that many of the preservatives that we eat haven't been around for more than a few decades - and they certainly are increasing in usage. We have no idea what the long term effects will be of our consumption of a diverse number of chemicals in large quantities, and that doesn't even begin to take possible interactions between them into effects.

                              Incidentally, wasn't there some studies recently that indicated that sodium benzoate, a very commonly used preservative, can cause some health problems?

                              Frankly, I avoid artificial agents in my food as much as possible for a number of reasons, and I prefer to stick to actual ingredients that have been consumed by humans for centuries and thus ones where we largely understand their interaction with our bodies. Of course, ideally, I would cook my food from fresh fruits, vegetables, etc, but with time constraints, that isn't always an option. It's then nice to have choices like an "all natural" pizza from a pizza chain if indeed the product consists of fairly unprocessed components, such as is indicated by the ingredient list for this pizza. I'm quite impressed, actually, given how bad Pizza Hut's regular pizza is, which I wouldn't dream of eating.

                        2. re: bagel
                          sbp Jan 7, 2009 04:38 AM

                          As noted by bighealthgourmet, the natural slice has essentially the same calories, fat, etc. as the regular. So it's not healthier. As for cynical, Pizza Hut shrunk the size of the slice -- I'm sure for the sole purpose of being able to post deceptive nutritional info (since it "looks" like a slice has 1/3 fewer calories). Pizza Hut is part of a mega corporation. Their only interest is in shareholder return on investment -- any health benefits will only be tolerated if they increase the bottom line.

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                            AMFM Jan 7, 2009 05:17 AM

                            however have you looked at MOST organic or natural food in the grocery store. MOST of it isn't healthier in that way. a whole bunch of it has "evaporated cane juice" when a non-organic version wouldn't have any sugar. and even if it isn't high in fat or sugar (at least not BAD fat) it is almost never low cal. that's not necessarily the claim ever. just that it's less processed. not defending pizza hut and really have no idea about this pizza (interesting that the info's on the website at all since it wasn't when i started the post) but just saying that natural is trying to be healthy by being less chemical - not lower fat or lower cal. they aren't claiming to be "lite".

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                              sbp Jan 8, 2009 09:03 AM

                              Agreed, I don't buy into the organic being healthier nutritionally. Just like the "fat free" claim usually is offset with more sugar so it's got more calories. But I do think Pizza Hut didn't shrink the size of the slice for aesthetic purposes. They undoubtedly knew they could (a) not charge much more than a regular slice without tipping off that it's smaller and (b) show less calories and fat per serving. To me, the unannounced smaller slice is intentionally deceptive.

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                              vorpal Jan 23, 2009 09:58 PM

                              "Healthier" is a very subjective term. I consider my diet high in fats and carbohydrates to be far healthier than that of someone who eats highly processed but low-fat foods. When I read labels, I don't read the nutritional information; I read the ingredient list.

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                              Cachetes Jan 7, 2009 05:16 AM

                              Great perspective. To add to your ideas, I think we all realize that this cannot (nor does Pizza Hut intend it to) compete in healthiness with, for example, the typical roasted vegetable bulgar wheat salad, so we don't need a lecture on how we are being scammed with the moniker 'healthy'. Most of us are savvy enough to know what this is about. As for the profit motive being higher than the 'bringing health to the masses' motive (as one poster pointed out), I would say that this statement holds true for the overwhelming majority of establishments. Finally, hear hear for pointing out that indie doesn't mean better, healthier, or more altruistic.

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                                Davwud Jan 7, 2009 05:45 AM

                                Actually, I don't think that most of us are savvy enough not to be scammed by the healthy moniker.
                                Just look at the organic movement. There is a whole bunch of misleading going on with that industry.
                                There are far too many people who will believe anything they see/hear in the media without even giving it another thought. Just look at all the crap that flies around during election season.

                                DT

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                                  Firegoat Jan 7, 2009 06:32 AM

                                  The masses are already eating there. This reminds me of when Burger King added apple slices to their kid's menu. You'd have thought they were poisoning the world by some of the posts on the boards.

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                                  vorpal Jan 23, 2009 09:49 PM

                                  Thanks for posting the ingredient listing. I was skeptical myself, given the chemical cesspool that is their regular pizza, but this looks fairly promising.

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                                  bignickpsu Jan 6, 2009 11:46 AM

                                  All of these replies about how bad Pizza Hut is and not one person actually tried it......

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                                    Firegoat Jan 6, 2009 01:36 PM

                                    Now I think I'll order a thin crust bbq pizza hut pizza for dinner.... I haven't had pizza hut bbq pizza in forever.... you guys have made me hungry with all your pizza talk!

                                  2. ccbweb Jan 6, 2009 07:20 PM

                                    Regular large hand tossed Pizza Hut pizza slice - All Natural Pepperoni Calories: 340, Fat(g) 15, Saturated fat (g) 7, Transfat (g) 0, Cholesterol (mg) 35, Sodium (mg) 930, Fiber (g)2, Protein (g) 14

                                    The Natural Pizza Hut pizza slice - All Natural Pepperoni Calories 210, Fat (g) 8, Saturated Fat(g) 3.5, Transfat (g) 0, Cholesterol (mg) 20, Sodium (mg) 460, Fiber (g)2, Protein (g) 9

                                    They apparently only have the all natural toppings now, so those are the same pizza to pizza going forward, it would seem. More vegetables will depend entirely upon the order.

                                    I'm all for calling out unhealthy foods. I only wish we did so with the same fervor at non-chain restaurants and comparatively expensive restaurants with nicely plated food (which I enjoy going to and where I enjoy the food quite a lot). A plate of exquisite pasta Bologenese or a flat bread starter at a lovely Italian restaurant in my town likely has a nutritional profile that if put on a fast food menu item would have many crying foul.

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                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 6, 2009 08:00 PM

                                      of course the "Natural" slice has a better nutritional profile - the serving size is listed as 86 grams, as opposed to 134 for the Hand-tossed slice. that's nearly a 60% difference. increase the size of that Natural slice by 60%, and you're going to end up with just as many calories, and just as much fat. seriously - i did the calculations.

                                      i agree with you that fast food restaurants are demonized waaay more than higher-end places, but there's a simple reason for that - fast food is more accessible (both geographically and financially) to a greater proportion of the population than other food outlets are, so they have a more profound impact on the health and wellness of the population. but yes, the food in non-chain and higher-end restaurants is undoubtedly even more unhealthy than many of the menu items at fast food outlets.

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                                        ccbweb Jan 7, 2009 05:38 AM

                                        I saw that, too. Most people I know eat pizza by number of slices, though. If they're cutting the slices to the serving size (and especially if the smaller serving size is because, say, the crust is thinner) then people may very well end up eating that amount less overall versus a regular old pizza. Though one never knows. Many people certainly also just eat until they're full in which case it probably doesn't matter.

                                        Chains have certainly done a lot to what people in the US especially and worldwide to a great extent think about food. But I think the long term fix has to have more to do with education about food and nutrition generally and not lambasting chains in particular. It's a personal bent, though.

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                                          chris in illinois Jan 7, 2009 06:47 AM

                                          My grandmother would find this whole discussion of 'healthy' vs. 'unhealthy' pizza very amusing. She spent a good deal of her life wondering where her next meal would come from. Frankly the wide availability of so much food that isn't spoiled or poisonous is a miracle that most people are ignorant of.

                                          Not saying that people shouldn't seek out decent, tasty, healthy food, but it could be a lot worse.

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                                            ferret Jan 7, 2009 10:22 AM

                                            That's like the old joke about the customer who when asked "do you want your pizza cut into six slices or eight" responded "make it six, I'll never be able to eat eight."

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                                              Fibber McGee Jan 8, 2009 11:36 AM

                                              Often attributed to baseball great Yogi Berra.

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                                          Ruth Lafler Jan 6, 2009 08:01 PM

                                          Did they say if they're the same size slices? Because the ratio of the various nutritional components is a pretty consistent -- somewhere between half and 2/3.

                                          The reason that I call out chains is that they're the ones doing billions (yes Billions) of dollars in marketing for their (usually super-size) offerings. In doing so they've created a whole universe in which the food they serve and the amounts they serve it in are seen as normal, everyday foods. In addition, it's easy for them to put out the nutritional content because the recipes and portions have been standardized and calculated with scientific precision.

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                                            goodhealthgourmet Jan 7, 2009 08:38 AM

                                            Ruth, if you look at my reply to ccbweb, you'll see that the slices are not the same size. that was the first thing i looked into when i saw those numbers. i did the calculations, and gram-for-gram, the nutritionals are nearly identical on the Natural vs. the regular hand-tossed pizza.

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                                              enbell Jan 10, 2009 01:18 PM

                                              Side by side comparison showed similarity in size.

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                                                goodhealthgourmet Jan 10, 2009 04:38 PM

                                                the fact that the slices are cut to be the same size is precisely the problem - they're providing nutrition information for The Natural based on less than half of that similarly-sized slice. i guarantee that if you'd had a scale there to weigh the slices, you would have discovered that one slice of the Natural pizza weighed a heck of a lot more than the "86 grams" they list as a serving.

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                                                  enbell Jan 10, 2009 07:43 PM

                                                  Not meant to contradict you or disagree. I ment to provide an example to show that the nutrition info is decieving. I want ro reiderate thought that it sure wasn't anything special!

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                                                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 11, 2009 07:14 AM

                                                    got it - i wasn't sure if you understood. i'm a nutritionist, so it makes me crazy to see people who honestly believe they're doing something good/better for heir bodies get duped by these companies with their deceptive marketing practices.

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                                                      Ruth Lafler Jan 11, 2009 08:21 AM

                                                      Thanks for confirming my suspicions, ghg! I was too lazy to dig the relative serving sizes out of their site.

                                                      A lot of people don't realize that the nutritional content on the label is based on the gram weight rather than the descriptive information (1 piece, one slice, one cup, etc.). Many metric-system-resistant Americans don't pay attention to grams at all. European labels are much more straightforward, as the nutritional info is usually given per 100 grams.

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                                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 11, 2009 09:59 AM

                                                        it's a major frustration for me in my profession. one of the first things i teach my clients about reading & understanding nutrition labels is to pay attention to the *weight* or *volume* of a suggested serving size, as opposed to a piece/slice/unit.

                                        3. ejs1492 Jan 8, 2009 07:38 PM

                                          For God's sake, CAN SOMEONE TRY THE DAMN THING instead of pontificating???? :-)

                                          The OP's question was "has anyone tried it?" So, have you? Enlighten us please. Does it's questionable natural-ness taste good, or not?

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                                            toutefrite Jan 8, 2009 08:04 PM

                                            amen

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                                              Mattapoisett in LA Jan 8, 2009 09:40 PM

                                              "What's this Stuff?"
                                              "Some Pizza, it's supposed to be good for you. Do you Want to Try it ?"
                                              "I'm Not Gonna Try it."
                                              "Let's Get Mikey. ...... He Won't Eat it He Hates Everything."

                                              He Likes it! Hey Mikey!

                                            2. enbell Jan 8, 2009 09:46 PM

                                              I was in an in service today...ALL...DAY...we ordered in, and Pizza Hut beat out Dominos in the vote. For 30 people we ordered many pizzas. A couple naturals, a couple things called pizza "Mias", a pan pizza and a trough of pasta. I honestly could not taste the difference between the regular and the natural. The sauce tasted the same (too acidic for me), and the cheese was the same rubber-like substance. I had only a few bites of each. The pizza Mia actually was sweeter if that makes sense and the cheese wasn't as bad. Clearly Boise, ID is not the pizza capital of the world, but even our local independent stuff is better than this. At least I didn't waste my money. Hopefully none of you will have to either :)

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                                                AMFM Jan 9, 2009 05:02 AM

                                                thanks! :)

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                                                extremejm Jan 10, 2009 07:18 AM

                                                Don't be fooled, their crust is still loaded with HFCS.

                                                http://www.pizzahut.com/Files/PDF/PIZ...

                                                Guess they forgot to mention that little tidbit.

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                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 10, 2009 08:16 AM

                                                  if you look more closely at the information in that file, those crusts are for their traditional offerings. though i'm typically the last one to come to the defense of these establishments, they do use a different, HFCS-free crust for the natural.

                                                  for the correct info, go to this link:

                                                  http://www.pizzahut.com/Nutrition.aspx

                                                  and click on the hyperlink on the right for "The Natural Nutrition Facts"

                                                  Natural Multigrain Crust: Unenriched, unbleached wheat flour, stone ground whole wheat flour, yeast, olive oil,
                                                  honey, whole grain wheat, whole grain barley, whole grain rye, whole grain oats, millet, salt, ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

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                                                    AMFM Jan 10, 2009 01:00 PM

                                                    that's not bad. and it's certainly a big improvement on the others.

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                                                      mpjmph Jan 12, 2009 06:12 AM

                                                      I'm actually kind of impressed to see the whole grains listed... They're advertising the crust as "mulit-grain," which always send up a red flag for me and begs the question, "but is it whole-grain?"

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                                                        Ruth Lafler Jan 12, 2009 08:13 AM

                                                        The ingredients in the post you're responding to list "whole grain wheat," "whole grain barley," "whole grain rye," and "whole grain oats" -- they're pretty far down the list, though. One nutritional category where it is slightly better than their regular pizza is the fiber content.

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                                                          goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2009 09:38 AM

                                                          actually, the second ingredient is stone ground whole wheat flour. sure, it would be even better if it was first, but still, i'm almost impressed myself - we are talking about Pizza Hut, after all :)

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                                                            mpjmph Jan 12, 2009 10:00 AM

                                                            Ruth, the point I was trying to make was that they are advertising it as "multi-grain" when they could legitimately call it "whole-grain."

                                                            To me the term multi-grain is code for "we used processed bleached flour from multiple different grains and are going to use this semi-healthy sounding term to make people think the product has more nutritional value than it actually does."

                                                            So, as I said earlier, I'm impressed that the whole grains are on the list, since the Pizza Hut ads initially left me rolling my eyes and saying that multi-grain has no real meaning...

                                                            1. re: mpjmph
                                                              goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2009 10:32 AM

                                                              actually, they can't call it "whole grain." according to FDA regulations, bread products - including pizza crust - can only be labeled as “whole grain” if they're made *entirely* from whole grain flours or whole wheat flour.

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                                                                mpjmph Jan 12, 2009 12:16 PM

                                                                Thanks GHG, I didn't realize the FDA regulation was that strict. I'm still surprised PH didn't come up with something more meaningful that multi-grain in their advertising...

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                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2009 12:44 PM

                                                                  it's one of the few things the FDA has gotten right in terms of labeling laws to protect consumers ;)

                                                                  you're right about the "multi-grain" claim - i had my usual reaction when i heard it - i was annoyed, and assumed they were once again trying to dupe consumers by using a meaningless buzz word. i'm still annoyed that they're pulling a fast one with the serving size and nutrition information, but i'm surprised they didn't also try marketing the crust as a "good" or "excellent" source of whole grains (the qualifier would depend on the number of grams of whole grains per serving - i have no idea what it is for this product).

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                                                                    Ruth Lafler Jan 12, 2009 02:46 PM

                                                                    The amount listed for the given serving size was 2 grams, which is the same as the larger serving size for the "regular" pizza. Which means it's about 50 percent more fiber per slice. IIRC, though, in order to be considered "high fiber" it has to have 5 grams per serving, so it still falls short. Not surprising, since there's a lots of other stuff with no fiber at all (cheese, pepperoni) on a pizza to "dilute" the overall fiber content.

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                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Jan 12, 2009 05:18 PM

                                                                      actually, grams of fiber and grams of whole grain are two totally different things...just one more way to complicate it for all of us!

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                                                                        Ruth Lafler Jan 12, 2009 06:42 PM

                                                                        To clarify: the nutritional info listed 2 grams of fiber.

                                                      2. al b. darned Jan 11, 2009 01:58 PM

                                                        Geeze! It seems I'm the only one who actually *likes* PH! While it is an occasional buy I really like the Thin N Crispy crust. I've tried most of the Indies in my area, but most are wanting. Most are way too greasy for me, and why do some of them insist in cutting a round pie in strips??!! No, PH is not better than mine, but when I'm in an "I don't feel like cooking" mood it'll do.

                                                        Anyway, back to the OP's question...I tried to order an All Natural the other night, but "We've run out of it for the night." Now that's poor planning.

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                                                        1. re: al b. darned
                                                          Firegoat Jan 12, 2009 12:13 PM

                                                          I also confess to liking pizza hut. Probably because when I was in high school in a small town of say 2500 max, it was pretty much theonly restaurant in town. Certainly the only pizza place. I don't order it for gourmet pizza... i have some local places now for some incredible offers... but every now and then a thin crust bbq beef pizza from PH is the only thing that hits the spot.

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                                                            pizzalover22 Jan 15, 2009 03:36 PM

                                                            Note: I meant to reply to the general topic. Sorry, first time posting here.

                                                            If the ingredient list is true, this is probably healthier for you than their other pizza. Calories and fat are NOT the only indicators of whether a food is actually healthful or not. Many people take "unhealthy" to mean something that will hurt their figure, not something that will slowly kill them (hydrogenated oils are an example). Organic and natural are not very different when it comes to human health, I suspect. Organic might be slightly better for you, but is mostly better for the environment. If this new "natural" pizza is truly natural, then I would say it's probably better for you. That's not saying I trust that Pizza Hut is really some benevolent corporation looking out for consumer health, but that's beside the point. The question is whether or not it's healthier, not whether Pizza Hut's intentions are good or money-motivated.
                                                            Now, is there a huge difference? We can't know for sure without extensive research, but if they've eliminated the artificial ingredients, I'd much rather consume natural stuff on a regular basis than do the same with potentially unsafe, artificial ingredients. There is evidence that these things are harmful to human health, and that's enough to cause me to stay away from them. By the way, some of them are preservatives, so to suggest that there is no evidence of preservatives being harmful is inaccurate.
                                                            Now, the pizza will *of course* have a similar number of calories, even if it's natural. But just as fewer calories does not mean healthier, having the same number of calories does not mean it's not an improvement. The actual ingredients, not the number of calories they add up to, is what's important. How much you eat is also important. Over-eating is never good for you, even if you're eating the healthiest things you can find.
                                                            As for how their normal pizzas compare, go read the ingredient list. They supposedly no longer contain partially hydrogenated oils, which is a good thing because trans fat is the worst fat there is. Even small amounts of it are awful.
                                                            I did question at first whether these pizzas were 100 % natural, but it would seem they contain nothing artificial whatsoever. To say that has no chance of being better for you is foolish, to say the least.
                                                            Doesn't mean I'm going to order a "Natural" for dinner tonight (I bet at the very least they spray their cooking surfaces with something containing trans fat), but I'm just sayin'...

                                                            And I buy mostly natural when I'm at the grocery store because what isn't is often loaded with garbage, including partially hydrogenated oils. Do you expect me to buy that over an Amy's lasagna, ravioli, or pizza? When it comes to shopping, I find the word "natural" to be completely useful, especially since the use of things like HFCS continues to decline in "natural" foods, yet continues to be used in non-natural options. Natural means at the very worst it's "minimally-processed," which to me is a lot better than "heavily-processed."
                                                            Now, I might add that I buy mostly from smaller companies that have been natural or organic since they were formed, which is a lot different from huge corporations going natural or organic as a ploy.

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                                                              AMFM Jan 16, 2009 05:09 AM

                                                              good post - thanks for your input.

                                                              1. re: pizzalover22
                                                                vorpal Jan 23, 2009 10:09 PM

                                                                Perfectly stated.

                                                          2. coastie Jan 18, 2009 03:42 PM

                                                            My big problem with this pizza is that its available for $9.99 in my area and is being advertised as full of flavor - better than other pizzas. Thats all well and good but if its true why have/are they serving the other crap. Doesn't seem to be cost prohibitive. I find the ads really annoying.

                                                            1. Firegoat Jan 24, 2009 08:16 AM

                                                              it appears the supertaster has given it a whirl...
                                                              http://www.chow.com/stories/11503

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