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Aromatherapy Dec 22, 2008 12:09 PM

First of 2 installments is here: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2008/12/c...

I do hope there's more. Oops, indeed.

  1. HillJ Sep 9, 2011 06:56 AM

    After all these years, I never really understood Mr. Leff. With all due respect, online reading or general comments for those who dare to engage..usually ends in some odd tongue lashing..the can't catch me jig and is that all an intentional awkwardness vibe...phew..better to enjoy the site. The site remains rockin.

    1. rworange Sep 8, 2011 06:02 PM

      The story picks up. ... part 20

      After all these years, I never really understood what made Chowhound work. It just did.

      Somehow I feel all the focus groups in the world won't know either. I know I personally would have changed the site in all sorts of directions depending on my whim of the moment. Somewhere along the line I got that whatever the magic was, to go with it.

      1. Pat Hammond Dec 15, 2010 02:56 AM

        are both up now.

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        1. re: Pat Hammond
          LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 12:19 PM


          Holy shite. He didn't take just ONE for the CH team. Jim stood in front of the firing squad and took them all for the next year!

          Looking forward to the "few brief subsequent highlights" - hopefully where he tells Clay to eff off. ;-)

        2. HillJ Dec 4, 2010 06:18 AM

          Part #17

          1. HillJ Aug 11, 2009 07:49 PM


            Unrelated to site sale, but enjoyable nonetheless to hear Jim discuss food/deliciousness.

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            1. re: HillJ
              Pat Hammond Aug 12, 2009 11:55 AM

              Yes, it really was terrific. The interviewer was also very good. Good questions, and she listened to the answers. I really enjoyed it.

              1. re: Pat Hammond
                Caitlin McGrath Aug 12, 2009 01:19 PM

                I haven't listened to this (no sound on my computer at the moment), but: Bit of a different perspective on it here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/643807

                1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                  HillJ Aug 12, 2009 01:26 PM

                  I'll be interested to hear Jim's take on the experience. I just listened, didn't feel the need to critique the piece.

            2. Caitlin McGrath Aug 1, 2009 11:38 AM

              Part 12: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/06/bubbles-slogs-and-selling-out-part-12.html

              Part 13: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/07/bubbles-slogs-and-selling-out-part-13.html

              Part 14: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/07/b...

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              1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                mrnyc Nov 29, 2009 08:37 AM

                aaah i finally caught up with this & chapter 14 was the key chapter!

                at long last the big dawg came out with it, well at least as much as he is allowed to per the deal.

                chowhound was sold to cnet for around $10m.

                yeah, i know, i know, when you break it down....still, wow, thats a lot of arepas!

                1. re: mrnyc
                  LindaWhit Nov 29, 2009 09:04 AM

                  I hadn't realized that Part 15 had been posted - thanks mrnyc!: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/11/b...

                  1. re: LindaWhit
                    Greg B Sep 8, 2010 03:05 PM

                    Jim seems to have lost interest in updating his story. We're still left hanging.

                    1. re: Greg B
                      Jim Leff Sep 9, 2010 09:47 AM

                      Didn't lose interest. I'm writing a virtual book - it's up to nearly 18,000 words at this point, and I'm doing it unpaid....so I don't feel obliged to work to deadline. I write it on whim (and "left hanging" is awfully dramatic, considering all the flash-backs and flash-aheads packed into the Slog, e.g. http://bit.ly/b8hiH2


                      I will, however, offer a refund to all paid subscribers who feel disappointed by the delay! :)

                      1. re: Jim Leff
                        LindaWhit Sep 9, 2010 10:13 AM

                        LOL! I was hoping you'd see the comment and respond to it, JL. :-) You didn't leave us hanging here at CH by closing up shop; I doubted you'd do so with the story of the sale.

                        I hope Band Camp helped get your musical mojo back! (loved the 3kilroygangsterboogie audio link!)

                        1. re: LindaWhit
                          Jim Leff Sep 9, 2010 11:19 AM

                          One reason I haven't been writing much is I've been playing a ton. I'm not all the way back yet (maybe 80%), but I can fool people into thinking I'm good, so I guess I'm over the hump. I'm still mostly avoiding musicians I used to play with, who'd all instantly notice the difference...but it's getting measurably better every week.

                  2. re: mrnyc
                    Jim Leff Nov 29, 2009 11:49 AM

                    "chowhound was sold to cnet for around $10m. "

                    In my dreams! Actually, I don't dream of money. I mostly dream of a hotel in suburban Maryland that I've never actually been to, but keep returning to night after night for some reason. But that's another story.

                    I cited that figure as a wild random speculation posted as fact by Citibank, which (as I said in the article) apparently threw the I Ching to come up with that number. Though I guess it wouldn't be bad to let people think it's true....I'd get lots more dates, for one thing.

                    But I'm not complaining. Really, just the fact that the site didn't have to close and I made some money, to boot, was great. As I describe in the saga, we were weeks from closing, dejectedly, when all this went down.

                    [edit: I should note that, duh, I'm kidding about the dates. I'm frequently misunderstood when I kid - which is what led to this very point of confusion....I guess the "I Ching" comment in my article was too tangential)]

                2. Pat Hammond May 17, 2009 06:32 AM

                  Here's #11 http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/05/b...

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                  1. re: Pat Hammond
                    Servorg May 17, 2009 06:52 AM

                    Thanks, Pat. It's always interesting to learn about what goes on inside the sausage factory from the perspective of the sausage maker. ;-D>

                    1. re: Pat Hammond
                      mrnyc May 24, 2009 09:42 PM

                      well pat i just hope the big dawg doesn't turn all puppy on us in the next installment. i mean how many benjamins did cnet's suitor clay get him? are leff and lorenzo rollin in the benzo? stay tuned, right? hey inquiring minds want to know the final cold hard numbers - at least then we can vicariously enjoy how much our rabblings and babblings paid off for somebody -- lol!

                    2. HillJ Apr 24, 2009 07:25 AM

                      Installment 10 is posted on JL's slog.

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                      1. re: HillJ
                        LindaWhit Apr 24, 2009 08:04 AM

                        As always, a great read, and it gives you the inside info on an acquisition from the "being acquired" position - and those that play the games in that acquisition. (Having gone through that in a former company, he's got the characters down pat! LOL)

                        1. re: LindaWhit
                          HillJ Apr 24, 2009 09:19 AM

                          It's too bad no one thought to include Jim's slog re site sale under his Blog page here at CH or even on CHOW under Obsessives.

                      2. HillJ Apr 18, 2009 06:01 AM


                        ..adding this JL slog entry re: original CH logo.

                        1. Aromatherapy Mar 27, 2009 10:12 AM

                          Installment 9 is up. http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/03/b...

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                          1. re: Aromatherapy
                            HillJ Mar 27, 2009 12:18 PM

                            Installment 9 was an interesting read. Especially Jim's thought process on CH advertising & marketing. Jump ahead to the sale of CH, peruse the number of complaints and frustrations posted on Site Talk about advertising decisions, and this installment waxed ironic, but as expected, compelling.

                            1. re: HillJ
                              Bobfrmia Apr 10, 2009 07:07 PM

                              And a little short.
                              Jeff, you should have a little extra time now. There are those of us who aren't getting any younger. I don't want to miss out on the end.

                              1. re: Bobfrmia
                                Servorg Apr 10, 2009 07:58 PM

                                Jeff Leff? Is that Jim's evil twin in another dimension? lol Jim has gotten Jeff on CH so many times over the years I'm sure he must have considered changing his name once or twice along the way and being done with it.

                                1. re: Servorg
                                  Bobfrmia Apr 10, 2009 09:15 PM

                                  Yes, it was meant to get his attention. ;-)

                          2. the_MU Feb 17, 2009 08:27 PM

                            So glad I stumbled across this instead of just reading my local board through my RSS feed. Reminds me how much I miss Jim's voice. Great to read him again.

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                            1. re: the_MU
                              lancastermike Mar 4, 2009 08:52 AM

                              It's nice to see that though Jim tells us how he suffered, his ego has escaped fully intact

                              1. re: lancastermike
                                Servorg Mar 4, 2009 09:08 AM

                                "Let s/he who is without ego cast the first I's..."

                                1. re: lancastermike
                                  Bobfrmia Mar 4, 2009 07:23 PM

                                  As well it should. He has good reason to be proud.

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                                cimui Feb 15, 2009 04:42 PM

                                aromaT and others, thanks for posting these links. i'm generally a little wary of the little cults and cliques that sometimes develop on this site, but i think i now understand the admiration some posters have expressed for jim.

                                i really hope he has found all the happiness, good eats, good friendships, monetary and non-monetary successes he has so clearly earned.

                                1. hannaone Feb 15, 2009 09:11 AM

                                  Parts four through seven -

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                                  1. re: hannaone
                                    LindaWhit Feb 15, 2009 02:11 PM

                                    As someone else said in an earlier comment post at the blog - this story is like crack. :-) God, I love Jim Leff's writing style!

                                    And Jim, I'm so, SO glad you didn't let Mr. Honcho tear it down and start all over with focus groups nor let Vrtra completely dismantle and change CH!

                                    1. re: hannaone
                                      Pat Hammond Feb 16, 2009 03:20 PM

                                      #8 went up today: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/02/b...

                                      1. re: Pat Hammond
                                        cimui Feb 17, 2009 12:13 PM

                                        words of wisdom:

                                        "Beyond a certain point, the execs bring along their own crack pipes."

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                                      was Feb 12, 2009 08:22 AM

                                      Should be fascinating to see how Jim's story jumps from a vow of no advertising/no sucking to .... today

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                                      1. re: was
                                        Servorg Feb 12, 2009 08:47 AM

                                        It was either advertising or no CH site. I'm glad to put up with the ad's.

                                        1. re: Servorg
                                          LindaWhit Feb 13, 2009 06:21 AM

                                          Same here.

                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                            was Feb 17, 2009 10:41 AM

                                            Well that covers the ads...but not the second part

                                            1. re: was
                                              LindaWhit Feb 17, 2009 11:03 AM

                                              YMMV. I'm not sure what you see as the suckage part.

                                              Your usage of the site since 2006 doesn't seem to be as frequent as many others of us here. The more you use it, the more familiar you get with it. But some people like the site; some don't.

                                        2. re: was
                                          HillJ Feb 13, 2009 06:32 AM

                                          was, the beauty of "it all" is JL's around to give his first-hand experience. Nothing like hearing the CH story from the top hound himself.

                                        3. Servorg Jan 17, 2009 04:11 PM

                                          Part 3 here: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2009/01/b...

                                          1. Servorg Dec 23, 2008 06:57 AM

                                            Part 2 here: http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2008/12/b...

                                            1. HillJ Dec 22, 2008 12:31 PM


                                              including a big nod to some of the supportive "faces" still here today.

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                                              1. re: HillJ
                                                LindaWhit Feb 13, 2009 06:20 AM

                                                That link doesn't seem to be working anymore. Just a big "This Account Has Been Suspended" and direction to "Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible."

                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                  HillJ Feb 13, 2009 06:30 AM

                                                  You can read J Leff's account on his slog. Maybe JL took down the old link.

                                                  1. re: HillJ
                                                    LindaWhit Feb 13, 2009 06:41 AM

                                                    Oh no - I've been able to read the slog re: the almost-demise of CH (so, SO thankful for the mucky-muck executive who had dinner with Jim!) - just can't see the closure page that Jim & Bob had planned on putting up when they were going to shut the site down.

                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                      HillJ Feb 13, 2009 07:12 AM

                                                      The tale would make a great movie of the week!

                                                      Closure pg. must have been taken down then. I didn't see it now either.

                                                  2. re: LindaWhit
                                                    Pat Hammond Feb 19, 2009 07:37 AM

                                                    Hi Linda, that link has been restored. Pat

                                                    1. re: Pat Hammond
                                                      LindaWhit Feb 19, 2009 07:46 AM

                                                      Thanks, Pat! I repeat. I'm so glad this page didn't have to go up. :-)

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