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Iron chef america: flay/giada vs mario/rachael

danhole Dec 16, 2008 01:54 PM

Has anyone seen this episode yet? I don't get to watch the Food Network often because my DH hates it, but he went to bed early one night and I caught this episode. For those who haven't seen it, I will not tell you who won, but I will say that I have never seen Rachael Ray work so hard. She was really sweating in there! No giggling, silly jokes, or talking to her food! The secret ingredient was cranberries. It was very interesting, at least to me.

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  1. goodhealthgourmet RE: danhole Dec 16, 2008 02:18 PM

    it's actually a repeat from 2006...you might want to search the board for threads from when it initially aired - i'm pretty sure i recall a discussion or two about it.

    1. TrishUntrapped RE: danhole Dec 16, 2008 02:38 PM

      I wonder if the recipe for Mario's cranberry dessert, the one that made the judges swoon, was ever published...as of a few months ago it wasn't.

      I would love to make it.

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        goodhealthgourmet RE: TrishUntrapped Dec 16, 2008 03:22 PM

        i just did a search for it...no luck, but there are a lot of posts on the Web by other people who are also trying to find it!

        come to think of it, i'm very surprised no one at TVFN has found a way to put out an ICA cookbook series.

      2. ccbweb RE: danhole Dec 16, 2008 06:27 PM

        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/342335

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          danhole RE: ccbweb Dec 17, 2008 06:47 AM

          I had a feeling it was a repeat because Mario's belly was hanging really low, but when I looked on the FN website it didn't say it was so I wasn't sure. That sure explains why they are showing it over and over and over! I read through the thread and agree with all the comments about how poorly Giada reacted when criticized. She came across as a Princess type, which I never noticed before. Well, as I said, I don't get to watch this channel much, so forgive me for being behind the times!

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            lscanlon RE: danhole Dec 21, 2008 04:12 AM

            Something happened with our DVR and I never saw the judging portion of the program. Would have loved to see Giada over-reacting to the criticism. I like her generally, especially the Behind the Bash shows, but she has the poor-little-rich-girl aura, doesn't she? I had to laugh when she jumped up and down when her water was slow to boil -- like a preteen who wasn't getting her way.

            Like other posters, I was impressed with how businesslike RR was. Maybe she was a little intimidated in the presence of Batali.

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              danhole RE: lscanlon Dec 21, 2008 08:59 AM

              Just check the website - they are showing it over and over. I saw it again yesterday afternoon, or should I say it was on and then I turned it off!

              I don't think RR is intimidated by Batali, but I do think she felt like she was out of her element, not being a chef, just a "cooker" as she puts it.

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                Firegoat RE: danhole Dec 21, 2008 09:40 AM

                I doubt she was intimidated by Batali, since she's actually his neighbor.

                She probably was worried about looking like a hack on TV tho.

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          Avalondaughter RE: danhole Dec 17, 2008 07:40 AM

          Rachael Ray broke a sweat because she put so much effort into complaining. Regardless of Giada acting nasty when criticized, she actualy put effort into the dishes presented. All Rachael Ray did was stir a custard and complain about how she hates baking. That battle was a joke. This was a case of Mario beating Bobby, not Rachael beating Giada. If you put those two in there with no help from the big guys, Giada would have won easily.

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            AngelSanctuary RE: danhole Dec 20, 2008 08:43 PM

            Omg it was so not a real battle. It was like Flay vs. Batali and everyone knows that in such a situation Batali will win. Giada and RR are both really slow, like for half the time Giada was making the ravioli

            And for the whole show I just saw RR uh...stirring milk...

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              roxlet RE: AngelSanctuary Dec 21, 2008 09:26 AM

              My DH and I were hysterical -- everytime the camera cut to Giada she was doing the ravioli. I've never seen a ravioli take so long -- and she used pre-made pasta sheets. Anne Burrell would have had those suckers knocked in a nanosecond -- and with freshly made dough!

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                Kinnexa RE: AngelSanctuary Dec 28, 2008 07:44 AM

                My impression exactly! I think the ladies were there for eye appeal. (A friend of mine once observed that Giada is the primary reason men watch FN. I just wonder if she ~eats~ anything she cooks - doesn't look like it.)

                I had a good time watching Batali and his belly beat the crap out of Flay. The women were merely distractions, might as well have been scrubbing the sinks in Kitchen Stadium. I won't elaborate, especially about RR, since we've been asked not to bash the chefs...

              2. Withnail42 RE: danhole Dec 22, 2008 04:26 AM

                The difference between the two is that RR will be the first to tell you that she is not a chef. Giada, on the other hand will be the first to tell you that she is a Parisian trained chef with years of experience. By that description alone she should be able to compete on Iron chef without a babysitter but she can't. She can't ever really perform outside of her pre-taped and edited show. She is however nasty, spoiled, and bratty as always.

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                  Firegoat RE: Withnail42 Dec 22, 2008 08:49 AM

                  Of course RR will tell you she is not a chef. That's part of her schtick. Oh, poor little me, I'm not a chef, so don't expect me to give you any nutritional information in my cookbooks. Its just another excuse for mediocrity. She likes to play dumb to suck in the mediocre wanna be cooks who don't want to learn any proper techniques or skills outside of how to use a can opener.

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                    Withnail42 RE: Firegoat Dec 22, 2008 09:05 AM

                    You just described more or less everyone and their attitude (to cool to cook properly) at FN.

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                      Firegoat RE: Withnail42 Dec 22, 2008 09:14 AM

                      lol I guess that's why my choices were people who weren't on FN
                      :D

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                      kmcarr RE: Firegoat Dec 22, 2008 12:11 PM

                      What cookbooks, besides those explicitly touting a diet or nutritional philosophy, include nutritional information. I've never seen nutritional information in Julia's, Mario's, Lidia's, Keller's, etc. books so why would you expect there to be in Rachael Ray's?

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                        Firegoat RE: kmcarr Dec 22, 2008 12:58 PM

                        Well the difference is I look at Julia, Mario, Lidia and Keller as chef's teaching a cuisine and technique. Rachael is hardly better than a Betty Crocker cookbook (which does have nutritional info in it) as well as the fact that she touts her recipes as being healthful and figure friendly.

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                          danhole RE: Firegoat Dec 23, 2008 07:11 AM

                          Huh? I must have missed the shows where RR said her recipes were healthy and figure friendly. The ones I have seen are full of cheese, and then you add some more cheese. She uses cheese like Paula Deen uses butter.

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                            ms. clicquot RE: danhole Dec 23, 2008 11:56 AM

                            I've never really watched her 30 Minute Meals or whatever it is but I've heard her say a recipe was 'figure friendly' on her morning talk show a number of times.

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                              danhole RE: ms. clicquot Dec 23, 2008 12:55 PM

                              I'm the opposite. I don't watch the 30 minute meal program. Just the talk show - love to watch her being terrified by the animals that guy brings (insert evil laugh). On that show haven't noticed figure friendly, but then again I don't pay too much attention, obviously.

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                            James Cristinian RE: Firegoat Dec 23, 2008 02:25 PM

                            Her show is cooking in thirty minutes, something busy people can put together in a limited amount of time. Look at the slop some of the "chefs" put out on Top Chef in the quickfire, as in the other challenges. As you said, she never claimed to be a chef. There is no time to teach technique, even if she knew it.

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                              KTinNYC RE: James Cristinian Dec 25, 2008 11:54 AM

                              You can't possibly compare RR's 30 Miinute Meals to the quickfires on TC. RR doesn't cook impromptu meals. Every ingredient, every recipe has been tested every movement has been shot and reshot. There are no surprises on a scripted show like 30 Minute Meals.

                              The quickfires are complete surprises. The ingredients, cooking medium, and time limit are complete unknowns to the cheftestants.

                              Comparing the 30 Minute Meals to the quickfire challenges is like comparing watching a movie on DVD to watching an Improv comedy group.

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                          TrapperMan RE: Firegoat Dec 7, 2010 03:59 AM

                          "Of course RR will tell you she is not a chef. That's part of her schtick. Oh, poor little me, I'm not a chef, so don't expect me to give you any nutritional information in my cookbooks. Its just another excuse for mediocrity. She likes to play dumb to suck in the mediocre wanna be cooks who don't want to learn any proper techniques or skills outside of how to use a can opener."

                          Giada? Is that you?

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                        weem RE: danhole Dec 22, 2008 07:38 PM

                        You can find it (or highlights of it) on YouTube, for what it's worth.

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                          chefathome RE: weem Jan 3, 2009 01:37 PM

                          I was so bored and desperate that I watched it - nothing else was on. It was all I could do to sit through it - Rachael and Giada really made me squirm, as always. Not enjoyable at all. Most of the time I was rolling my eyes, exasperatingly.

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                          Bunson RE: danhole Jan 3, 2009 03:58 PM

                          Rachel and Giada should honestly have never been thrown into the fire of Kitchen Stadium in the first place. It was a shameless ratings ploy that in the end did neither one of them any favors. If anything I think it backfired because by putting their "chef" skills side by side with Flay and Batali, it showed how far inferior they were. Rachel at least had the sense to realize what was going on and say that very thing.

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