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fonduewcheddar Dec 12, 2008 11:56 AM

This is short notice, but I am leaving in a week for a trip to Italy, and I was hoping someone could suggest some wineries or agriturismi to visit in Trentino, Alto Adige or the Veneto that have good tours/unique wines and are open to the public (or by appointment) in the winter. My entire group speaks Italian, so the language barrier would not be an issue. Thanks for your help!

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    fonduewcheddar Dec 16, 2008 01:22 PM

    Grazie mille for the wonderful advice! On a side note, I took a course with AIS/Bibenda in Rome but wasn't able to bring many of my materials with me when i left, so it's good to know duemilavini is online. It's a great resource. I will be sure to report back after the trip with all the details!

    1. girobike Dec 13, 2008 01:59 AM

      Hi. Südtirol is actually our favorite place to visit, so here's our take from experience to complement the list RicRios & Maria has given.

      I don't know if these are in Duemilavini, as we tend to follow our own noses and palates rather than follow guides such as Parker etc. as we've found disagreements with our tastes in the past.

      Disclaimer: There are *tons* of lovely places to visit in Südtirol, so please do some research beforehand. We've only scratched the surface (that's why its our favorite place - we never get bored).

      WHITES

      Weingut UNTERORTL
      Juval 1B
      39025 Naturns
      Italy
      Tel. +39 0473 667 580
      Fax +39 0473 672 745
      familie.aurich@dnet.it
      http://www.unterortl.it/de/verkauf/
      Note: Try their Weißburgunder (Pinot Blanc) Castel Juval 2007, Riesling Castel Juval 2007

      Weingut Falkenstein
      Schloßweg 19
      I-39025 Naturns (BZ
      )Tel. +39 0473 666054
      Fax +39 0473 666054
      falkenstein.naturns@rolmail.net
      http://www.fws.it/mitglieder-weingueter-suedtirol/falkenstein.shtml
      Note: Weissburgder & Riesling 2007 were excellent. The land in which the wine grows has been doing it for the last 1000 years and has been held in family hands (Pratzner) since 400 years ago.

      Kellerei St. Michael Eppan
      Umfahrungsstrasse 17/19
      I-39057 EPPAN
      (BZ) ITALIEN
      Tel. +39 0471 664466
      Fax +39 0471 660764
      e-mail: kellerei@stmichael.it
      www.stmichael.it
      Note: Lovely Sauvignon St. Valentin 2007.

      Augustiner Chorherrenstift Neustift
      Stiftstraße 1
      39040 Vahrn
      Italien
      Tel. +39 - 0472 - 836 189
      Fax +39 - 0472 - 837 305
      info@kloster-neustift.it
      http://www.kloster-neustift.it
      Note: Very yummy Silvaner & Rieling 2007 from their Praepositus line.

      REDS

      Lagrein is one of my favorite red wines to enjoy without food. It also tastes great with Grilled Steak from a Calf (no sauce, just Fleur de Sel).

      MURI GRIES MONASTERY WINE CELLAR
      GRIESER PLATZ 21 -I 39100 BOLZANO
      Tel. +39 0471 28 22 87
      Fax +39 0471 27 34 48
      E-Mail: info@muri-gries.com
      http://www.muri-gries.com
      Note: Lagrein Abtei Riserva 2005.

      CANTINA PRODUTTORI BOLZANO
      39100 Bolzano | Piazza Gries, 2
      VAT-Nr. IT00121460216
      Tel. +39 0471 27 09 09
      Fax +39 0471 28 91 1
      info@kellereibozen.com
      http://www.kellereibozen.com
      Note: Lagrein Prestige Line Riserva 2006.

      Erbhof Mayr-Unterganzner: Barbara und Josephus Mayr
      Kampillerweg 15
      I-39053 Kardaun/Bozen
      Tel / Fax +39 0471 365582
      mayr.unterganzner@dnet.it
      Link in Italian: http://www.tirolensisarsvini.it/index.php?id=33&L=0
      Note: Heavenly Lagrein Riserva 2005. I love this wine.

      Stroblhof
      Pigenoerstr. 25
      39057 St. Michael/Eppan (BZ
      )Tel.: +39 0471 662250
      Fax: +39 0471 663644
      hotel@stroblhof.it
      http://www.hotel-stroblhof-eppan.com/
      Note: Blauburgunder Riserva 2005 (Pinot Noir). This was a really nice find and we really liked the hotel. Great getaway.

      SWEET WINES

      Cantina Tramin
      Strada del Vino, 144
      39040 Termeno
      Alto Adige - Italia
      Tel. +39 0471 86 01 26
      Fax +39 0471 86 08 28
      info@tramin-wine.it
      http://www.tramin-wine.it/
      Note: Gewürztraminer Passito Terminum 2006. This one's a keeper for the next decade+...

      Kellerei Kaltern
      Kellereistraße 12
      I-39052 Kaltern an der Weinstraße
      Telefon: +39/0471/963149
      Fax: +39/0471/964454
      Email: info@kellereikaltern.com
      http://www.kellereikaltern.com/
      Note: Little gem: Goldmuskateller Passito Castel Giovanelli Serenade 2005

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      1. re: girobike
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        RicRios Dec 13, 2008 06:47 AM

        "I don't know if these are in Duemilavini, as we tend to follow our own noses and palates rather than follow guides such as Parker etc. as we've found disagreements with our tastes in the past. "

        Well, for starters: the wine world is too big, I need all the help I can get.
        Some help is good and I recommend it, some turns out to be not so good and I skip it.
        I do follow nose & palate, up to a point. Wine producing areas in the world are huge.
        Unless you live there and have years at your disposal to explore, or you are a professional wine critic and visit hundreds of places at the time, there's no path for you nose to cover, not all, but even a small fraction of the horizon.
        An example comes to mind: my favorite Piemonte producer ( and now friend ), Luigi Baudana. I wouldn't have found him, much less his wines, in a million years. His property is tiny, his production a mere 25000 bottles a year. How did I locate him? He had top honors and bottom prices in the Duamilavini. I remember going to Piemonte armed with the DMV and the just published Parker pamphlet on Piemonte. The former turned out to be a gold mine, the latter a useless piece of paper.

        Agreed, guides not always work. Like, how did I meet my favorite Lazio producer ( and now friend ) Matteo Ceracchi? He is not on any guide, mind you. Well, he happened to have a stand at a Cibus fair in Parma.

        How did I get to know Elena Pantaleoni? Her Malvasia Passito Vigna del Volta was served to me at a restaurant in Bologna. How did I meet Fabian Schwartz, my favorite Brunello di Montalcino producer ? He's a friend of Matteo Ceracchi. And so on and so on ...

        Bottom line, a lot of luck, some help from guides, to get to their doors. AFTER that point yes, certainly, your nose and palate. But BEFORE the magical encounter? I doubt my nose has ever been of much help. I'll keep relying on trusted guides, either human ( maria lorraine, jason, you, etc etc ) , printed ( Duemilavini, Hachette, Burghound, ... ) or mere chance.

        1. re: RicRios
          girobike Dec 13, 2008 08:56 AM

          Hi Ric,

          No offense was meant - I'm just stating a matter of fact. Everybody's experience is different.

          Our family has a large wine cellar in Europe that has been stocked over the last 40+ years, so we've been very fortunate to come up with our own "guidebook" over the years.

          I count myself blessed to have met up with my wife and her side of the family.

          I also count myself lucky to have been able to enjoy experiences like yours in Umbria in Chow.

          1. re: RicRios
            girobike Dec 13, 2008 09:08 AM

            Hi Maria,

            I see you like the sweet stuff too! Let me know if you'd like me to bring some for you - should be in CA sometime in Spring.

            Lagrein: You mean Cantina Santa Maddelena?

            Because St. Magdalener (German) / Santa Maddalena (Italian) is the area around Bolzano. Great hiking in Summer.

          2. re: girobike
            maria lorraine Dec 13, 2008 08:41 AM

            Since you like stickies and Kellerei St. Michael Eppan, I'm surprised you did not mention the superlative Comtess (St. Valentin). I like it very much.

            Also, Niedermayr (notice spelling) makes an excellent stickie called Aureus.
            "Weinkellerei Niedermayr" <info@niedermayr.it>

            If you like Lagrein, Santa Maddelena is a good producer.

            1. re: maria lorraine
              maria lorraine Dec 13, 2008 11:53 AM

              Yes, Giro. Cantina Santa Maddalena. Speaking of stickies, it's very difficult to get the Aureus or Comtess on the West Coast, so, yes, let's talk more. Shoot me an email and let me know when you'll be in Caliornia. Maybe we can arrange some tastings.

              1. re: maria lorraine
                girobike Dec 15, 2008 02:53 AM

                Hi Maria - Glad to, anytime. Will let you know once my trip to CA starts firming up.

            2. re: girobike
              Willem Dec 15, 2008 01:37 AM

              Many great suggestions in these postings! I love the Cantina Tramin. Their Gewurtztraminer nussbaumer and pinot grigio unterebner are excellent. The Gewurtz rivals even Hofstatter. Another nice one is Eisacktaler Kellerei, they make a Kerner (cuvee Aristos) which is mighty good for example.

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                BigWoodenSpoon Dec 15, 2008 11:03 AM

                Yes, the Kerners from this area are awesome! Have an excellent trip & Enjoy!

            3. maria lorraine Dec 12, 2008 02:07 PM

              Here are three just off the the top of my head: Elena Walch (she's brilliant), Hofstatter (Martin Foradori makes some of the best Pinot Neros around -- my favorite is probably the Barthenau), and Alois Lageder, perhaps the preeminent winemaker in AA.

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              1. re: maria lorraine
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                RicRios Dec 12, 2008 02:35 PM

                Elena Walch
                Via A.Hofer, 1-39040 Termeno (BZ)
                Tel 0471 860172
                Fax 0471 860781
                www.elenawalch.com

                Foradori-Hofstätter
                (Duemilavini 2009 gave 5 grappoli to their 2007 Alto Adige Gewürztraminer Kolbenhof)
                Piazza Municipio, 7-39040 Termeno (BZ
                )Tel 0471 860161
                Fax 0471 860789
                www.hofstatter.com

                Lageder
                (Duemilavini 2009 gave 5 grappoli to their 2004 Alto Adige Cabernet Löwengang)
                Tòr Löwengang - 39040 Magrè (BZ)
                Tel 0471 809500
                Fax 0471 809550
                www.aloislageder.eu

                And while you're in the neighborhood:

                Franz Haas
                (Duemilavini 2009 gave 5 grappoli to their 2006 Alto Adige Moscato Rosa : "Incantevole ...Bavarese alle fragola con salsa all'anice stellato")
                Via Villa, 6 - 39040 Montagna (BZ)
                Tel 0471 812280
                Fax 0471 812280
                www.franz-haas.it

                1. re: RicRios
                  maria lorraine Dec 12, 2008 02:39 PM

                  Thanks for the detail, Ric. And for the addition of Franz Haas. He's great.

                  Elena Walch and Hofstatter are neighbors, so you can visit those two in succession.

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                    SteveG Dec 12, 2008 04:46 PM

                    A few years back tasting around the countryside of France, we noticed stickers for the Guide Hachet in the windows of wineries whose juice we liked, and then picked one up with great results for the rest of the trip.

                    Is there a similar guide for Italy? It doesn't have to be in English.

                    1. re: SteveG
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                      RicRios Dec 12, 2008 05:01 PM

                      http://www.bibenda.it/duemilavini.php

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                        SteveG Dec 12, 2008 05:34 PM

                        Thanks! Looks like the DUEMILAVINI 5 clusters prize list for Alto Adige ...
                        http://italianwinehub.com/news06/2000... ...includes the producers you mentioned. My Italian wine experience is pretty limited, but some of my favorites from the Golden Glass tasting here in San Francisco are on that list, surely a good sign!

                        1. re: SteveG
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                          RicRios Dec 12, 2008 05:53 PM

                          You got to follow up several years in a row.
                          Sometimes the samples don't arrive in time for the deadline, even though the juice is top notch.
                          Good news is, the editors acknowledge the fact when reviewing the winery.

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