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Dec 10, 2008 07:18 PM

Top Chef- Bridal Shower

Where is Phaedrus?

Just wanted a place to start chatting about tonight's show. Very pleased that they let it run 1.25 hrs. I think they could make it even longer so we see more of the cooking.

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  1. Ok these are the people I like: Leah, the indian chick. I would like the blonde lesbo because she can cook but she is quite the whining biatch. That deconstructed sushi course was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I cannot comprehend how all 3 of them agreed to having people make their own sushi (and to have them eat the sorbet at then end rofl)wow wow wow.....

    I know a lot of people hate Stefan but I'm a fan of his. He's cocky and arrogant but he can back it up. He brings some pizzazz to the show and for that reason I don't think the producers will let him leave anytime soon.

    These are my predictions for who will win it all: lesbian girl, Leah, Indian girl or skinny blonde dude.

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    1. re: Evilbanana11

      The lesbian girl is such a whiner, I agree, highly irritating... Not a fan of hers at all

      Stefan has the skills I think as well

      Not sure why so many people think Hosea is that good , he doesn't do anything that I find extra-ordinary most of the time..

      3 cheers for the old lady, she couldn't even believe she won, lmao

      1. re: duckdown

        why is everyone referring to her as an old lady - she's 42 not 82, lol (ps - I am under 40). I know that she is older than other contestants, but she is far from old!

        1. re: pescatarian

          She's not even the oldest lady there - Carla is 44.

          1. re: pescatarian

            I think because she refers to herself and they refer to her as the old lady (Thanksgiving episode).

        2. re: Evilbanana11

          I was at Thanksgiving with some women (also lesbians) who know Jamie. According to them, she's kind of obnoxious and whiny in real life, too.

        3. I enjoyed the taste testing at the beginning and was impressed with the bug-eyed chick. I like Hosea most. I thought it was funny that Stepan thought the sorbet was a stupid dish for lunch and it was everyone's favorite...besides the lamb. You go old lady!!

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          1. re: melly

            sorry.... unless you are all babies, 41 is not even close to "old!" OldER than the others, perhaps, but Carla is the oldest.... a whopping 44!

            I think Ariane was surprised that she won because Jamie was so fixated on being the leader and winning...

            1. re: ChefJune

              44 is young.

              Janet...born in 1964

              1. re: Janet from Richmond

                I just commented above on the "old lady" comments also. I'm pretty sure she said last night she's 42 - hardly old!

                1. re: Janet from Richmond

                  My stepmother said life begins at 40. I think I understand that now.

                  Andrew, also born in 64. :)

                2. re: ChefJune

                  I am 55. She is the one who keeps calling herself the "old lady" I did too. I like her lots. I KNOW 41 is not old...nor is 55. Now 80...that is old.

                  1. re: melly

                    Eighty is old -- unless you're 90 (which I'm not, BTW).

                    1. re: ClaireWalter

                      I am 112 and no one calls *me* an "old lady"...

                        1. re: ChefJune

                          I think Eugene was on the lobster/shrimp sauce when he guessed fish sauce. I don't think he thought fish sauce was in the mole. But that's just my memory.

                          1. re: BaseballNut

                            The only people who made it to the mole stage were Carla, Hoesa and Stefan (?). I do believe Eugene was out on the first stage of shrimp/lobster soup.

              2. huh? fish sauce?
                actually, i can't believe the chefs didn't recognize what they were tasting...especially the mole sauce. seems to me, once you know what it is, it would be easy to call out the ingredients. wow. fish sauce? in mole? it still blows me away.

                ..and! are pickles new??? i would have played with new/baby stuff, like new potatoes, baby veggies.....

                stepan, i am sure, is trying the male fantasy of being so studly, that a lesbian will fall for him. i don't like stephan. he's fun to watch on tv, but i would hate him in RL.

                sushi doesn't have to be rolled or cold? but sushi *is* vinegared rice!!!
                what heck was that plate? looked like some deep fryed appetizer sampler plate you get at a bar.

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                1. re: ritabwh

                  Fish sauce wasn't from the mole, Carla thought the mole had peanut butter and got eliminated on the first guess

                  I think he thought the fish sauce was in the thai soup... not too farfetched really

                  1. re: duckdown

                    actually, he thought it was in the bouillabaise.

                    1. re: duckdown

                      If Carla had simply said "peanuts" and not added "butter", she's have had a right answer.

                  2. i was surprised though that since they commented on how FLAVORFUL the rice was, that no one commented on radthika who actually spiced it. i mean without her it wouldn't have tasted the same. i actually thought that group was TRULY a group effort and i was impressed with everyone's helping them with plating. jaime was quite annoying in her loss.
                    agreed about the sushi course. ugh. but daniel's just adding mushroom's to carla's part was very not cool.
                    and i also thought it was funny that stefan hated the sorbet... love it when cockiness bites people in the ... :)

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                    1. re: AMFM

                      I'm tired of Jamie's whining, too, but I think she did deserve the win: it was her idea, her vaduvan spice and her leadership. Since Ariane admitted that all she did was cook the lamb (although she did a very good job of prepping it and cooking it), I don't think she should have gotten credit for the *flavor* -- and the judges did say they chose the most flavorful dish.

                      1. re: Ruth Lafler

                        The spelling Vadouvan has more links on google than Vaduvan.
                        The link below suggests it will be the next big spice.


                        1. re: shallots

                          Yes, they're using it at Ubuntu in Napa Valley for their famed cauliflower (which, btw, is very delicious). It will be 2009's ras-el-hanout.

                        2. re: Ruth Lafler

                          But, you could also argue, that all Jaime did was make a carrot puree.

                          1. re: fame da lupo

                            You could. But to do that you'd have to disregard the fact that the whole course was her concept.

                          2. re: Ruth Lafler

                            I agree -- Jamie may be obnoxious but she deserved the win. Even if the meat was cooked perfectly, Ariane's miscalculation of the cooking time almost caused a disaster. If others hadn't pitched in to help plate, they wouldn't have finished in time.

                          3. re: AMFM

                            i so didn't mean the rice. i meant the lamb. duh. anyway - i would agree that perhaps either jaime or radthika deserved it more than ariane since it was the flavor they were complimenting and really she did little other than cook it (admittedly she did that well.)

                            1. re: AMFM

                              i agree with AMFM, i really didn't think Ariane deserved the win...particularly since they said the winner was responsible for the "most flavorful" dish of the day. Jamie or Radhika should have gotten credit for that. and quite honestly, i was surprised that Ariane didn't offer to share the prize - or at least the recognition - with either one of them.

                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                i had that thought too! i was thinking of sharing prizes last year...

                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                  Yes, I half-expected her to say, "Actually, Radhika did the marinade; all I did was cook the lamb." But then, Blais and Stephanie are fresh in memory.

                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                    I think the classy thing would have been for her to share her prize, too, since it was a group effort, like Richard and Stephanie last time. I'm still not impressed with Ariane. She's in a box and I haven't seen her think outside of it.

                                    1. re: chowser

                                      the meat was PERFECTLY cooked. that was what clinched it

                                      1. re: thew

                                        But all three of them timed the cooking of the meat so it really was a group effort.

                                        1. re: thew

                                          She had problems with the timing of it and everyone (hats off to them) jumped in to help plate it so they would be done on time. I thought it was nice to see everyone pitch in to help. I know they edit and she might have complimented her team but they didn't show her acknowledging Radhika's marinade/sauce, Jamie's idea, or everyone helping out. They said the meat was perfectly seasoned and cooked. She did half.

                                2. I really liked the QF challenge. Very creative and made it personal by putting the chefs head to head. Stefan was pretty amazing when he identified eight ingredients.

                                  Daniel just didn't get it. In the conversations that happened at the penthouse, it was obvious that Eugene and Daniel had swallowed the Kool aid while Carla was being a little reticent about the whole ordeal. I feel bad for her because Daniel screwed her over, I would have gone off on his little pompous ass if I was sent home because of him.

                                  I too liked the justice of everyone loving the tomato sorbet.

                                  I have had it with all the flirty scenes, with Leah and Hosea, with Stephan and Jamie.

                                  Has anyone else noticed that Fabio's accent is slowly getting less pronounced? i couldn't understand the guy at the beginning of the show.

                                  The lamb looked amazing coming out of the oven. The raita I thought was a very interesting idea.

                                  Blue corn was what I thought of when they were having problems with coming up with something blue. I mean ocean blue? Not so creative.

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                                  1. re: Phaedrus

                                    The QF was flawed for one season, salt? You can name salt as an ingredient?

                                    I think Fabio's accent has been pretty consistent, maybe you are just getting accustomed to it.

                                    1. re: KTinNYC

                                      I would agree on the salt and pepper being a given part of the recipe. They did give Hosea a hard time when he said oil, I thought that was lame to just say oil.

                                      Maybe my ears are figuring out his accent. That is a scary thought.

                                      1. re: KTinNYC

                                        Oil, salt, peper should not be allowed as guesses.

                                        1. re: fame da lupo

                                          I agree but weren't the chefs smart to guesses them? 3 freebies

                                      2. re: Phaedrus

                                        LOVED the QF "I can name that tune in 3 notes, Tom" type of challenge. Pretty amazing that Stefan came up with 8-ingredients. But salt and pepper are considered "ingredients"? Come on. I call bull**** on that one. Good on Hosea for besting Stefan!

                                        Daniel was definitely the one to go, but Eugene *could* have gone in the Elimination Challenge. I do think it was that close. The entire concept of their round was completely and utterly flawed. WTH were they thinking?

                                        And the fact that Carla did not speak up could also have caused her to be booted - hasn't she seen any of the other seasons? LOL She didn't say anything to Daniel upon finding the mushrooms underneath her contribution, the salad? It was HER salad and he was screwing around with it? Take the damn mushrooms off and stand up for your dish! But no matter what - everything on that plate had major issues, and all three could have gone home, as Chef Colicchio said. But I think the fact that Chef Colicchio was stunned that Daniel still stood by the entire dish and thought it was good - in taste and concept - was what pushed the decision Daniel's way. And then the voiceover by Daniel saying he thought he still shouldn't have gone - completely clueless.

                                        I got the biggest laugh when Jeff's sorbet was called out as the best on that plate - Stefan's look was priceless. However, I doubt it knocked him down a few pegs. Still don't like his overbearing attitude, and I'm still thinking that's going to be his downfall.

                                        The lamb looked amazing - even when it was taken out and deemed "too rare". The entire dish looked wonderful, and I was surprised when Ariane won it over Jamie's carrot puree. (BTW< has anyone had this spice mix, vadovan?) But Jamie claims that both of the others on her team thought she should win? I'd like to hear that from her teammates first. Her whining is grating on me. And quit with showing the flirty baloney - it's so incidental to the show and not necessary. But since this has probably ALL been edited together, I think we're bound to see more of it.

                                        The team who had "something blue" definitely had the toughest round. I immediately thought of blueberries, but as Chef Colicchio said - they're actually purple. Could edible blue flowers have been used in some way?

                                        OK, that's it for now. Need more coffee.

                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                          I think last nights choice of winning chef was worst ever on Top Chef. That win was Jamie's. People may not like her and think she is whiney but I see her as competitive and determined. She orchestrated that entire presentation but Ariane gets the win after almost serving raw lamb! The entire kitchen staff had to convince her to put the lamb back in the oven. It's unbelievable to me the last three wins have been for toaster oven turkey, sliced watermelon and tomato on a plate, and then last night's near catastrophe. Her sole responsibility was to monitor the temperature of the lamb and she had to be rescued. How does she get a win for that?
                                          We have some serious talent with Stefan, Leah, Jamie, Jeff and Radhika and we're supposed to buy into the concept that Ariane has been the best the last three weeks in a row.
                                          Are they passing around a crack pipe at the judges table?

                                          1. re: tofuburrito

                                            Ariane knew it was raw - I don't think she had to be convinced to put it back in....they were all concerned there wasn't going to be enough time to get it up to med-rare is what I saw.

                                            And yes - while Jamie orchestrated the entire presentation, those judging and the "guest eaters" didn't know that (at least not that we saw). They were going on flavor....and I guess the lamb with the yogurt marinade that Radhika made was considered better than the carrot puree.

                                            Also - keep in mind that previous seasons, there's often someone who got a lot of early/mid-season wins, as Ariane has, and then screws up and are gone. Perhaps that's coming up within the next few weeks. :-)

                                            I agree on the talent from Radhika, Leah (although she's won a couple of QF, to Jamie's chagrin), Jeff and, grudgingly, Stefan. (Although I still think attitude is going to be his downfall.)

                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                              I could be wrong but my memory of the scene is of Ariane saying "what should I do?" and everyone telling her to put it back in the oven while she was trying to convince them she had to get it on the plate. I'm sure I'll see it again at some point so I'll take a closer look.
                                              I think talent-wise Radhika is a top contender but I wonder if (what appears to be) her very passive nature, will be her downfall.

                                              1. re: tofuburrito

                                                Ariane knew it wasn't ready. She even said something along the lines of "shit, it's not ready" when she checked its temperature. But Jamie was getting antsy and Ariane wanted to make sure they got plated. She knew it needed to finish cooking, she just needed someone to back her up on that. And if you remember, she didn't win for her turkey, she was praised for it however. Cooking meat properly is no easy thing and it obviously tasted fabulous. All the judges agreed. At this point in the competition, Ariane is winning because she is doing solid, well-done food. With some weak contestants still around, the riskier/unique chefs don't always get noticed, because the judges are just happy when a catastrophe of a dish (deconstructed sushi) is followed by a tasty, perfectly done dish (the lamb). That said, based on Ariane's reaction it was pretty clear she did not think she was going to win. Jamie probably deserved it, but she needs to get over herself. She is consistently high which means she will probably be around when the finals come together.

                                                1. re: tofuburrito

                                                  OK, that I think I remember now that you've mentioned it. But I think the overall concern was the time it was going to take to plate it in the time frame they had. Could they continue to cook it to get it to med-rare, or should they plate it now? That seemed to be the discussion at JT.

                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                    the issue here isn't that the lamb was cooked properly, it's the fact that Ariane won because the judges deemed the lamb the "most flavorful" dish of the day, and she wasn't responsible for flavoring it - Radhika was.

                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                      Well, in this part of the thread, it *was* about whether the lamb was going to be cooked properly and whether or not it should stay in the oven or plate it when Jamie wanted/thought it should be plated.

                                                      Yes, I agree that *we know* that Radhika was responsible for the flavoring of the lamb with her yogurt marinade and the side raita. The diners were going strictly on the flavor of the dish - yes, Ariane cooked it, and yes, Radhika flavored it, and yes, Jamie was responsible for the interesting carrot puree. However, without seeing the entire JT, we have no idea whether or not Radhika spoke up saying that she was responsible for the flavoring of the lamb. And if she didn't - that's obviously to her detriment.

                                                      All of the judges in their blogs have said what we see on the show is being seen by them for the first time as well (except JT, of course). So unless they're told specifically who did what, they have no idea that it was Radhika's marinade and raita that made it so flavorful.

                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                        oh, i'm not saying the judges knew any's Radhika's own fault for not piping up.

                                              2. re: tofuburrito

                                                sorry... how was that jamie's win? she may have "orchestrated the presentation" but what she brought to the dish was the carrot puree. she even introduced the dish by starting with "what you have here is a carrot puree... with lamb." radhika made the marinade for the lamb and the raita that sauced the lamb. it was a lamb dish and radhika was responsible for how it tasted. she really should have spoken up.

                                                1. re: skrillcakes

                                                  After looking at the recipes and who made what, I agree it was Radhika's win.

                                                2. re: tofuburrito

                                                  Tofuburrito echos my tirade last night to Mr. Shallots. Turkey, sliced watermelon and baked lamb should not be the determinants of the winner. What's next? Best slices of butter?
                                                  Oh, how I wish Tom had gotten his wish and sent three home last night.

                                                3. re: LindaWhit

                                                  I think Carla was screwed by the time -- she didn't know the mushrooms had been added until the dishes were plated and she didn't have time to deconstruct and replate every single wonton to get the mushrooms out. I thought that it was nice of her not to throw Dan under the bus on that, even though it didn't make a difference. I think the judges dinged him for that -- both for the bad idea and for messing with another chef's dish without telling her -- even without her making a big deal about blaming him.

                                                  Blue ... my first thought was bluefin tuna (or bluenosed bass) with blue oyster mushrooms, but I don't know if either of those was available. Since they were doing the last course, they could have done some kind of blueberry dessert.

                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                    Once you know how to make a coconut curry, naming 8 or even 10 ingredients is easy. I imagine most Thai curries have coconut milk, fish sauce, palm sugar, kaffir lime, birds eye chili, garlic, ginger, coriander, galangal, pepper, salt.

                                                  2. re: Phaedrus

                                                    Fabio said green and yellow in the color spectrum made blue and the crowd bought it. WTF? Blue and Yellow makes green. All you gotta do is to piss in a bowl of blue water to prove that.

                                                    Why is Hosea and Leah flirting on TV when they both have S.O. at home?

                                                    As for Stefan, I think he criticized the sorbet from a logistics standpoint, not that it wouldn't taste good. He said it was be hard to plate 41 sorbet without them melting. Obviously he was wrong on that.

                                                    I also don't understand why Jaime thought she deserved to win.

                                                    1. re: Phaedrus

                                                      Once you could identify what the sauce was you should be disqualified if you couldn't name 6 or more ingredients just based on what it is without tasting it given that salt and pepper were acceptable ingredients.