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Does anyone know what is going to be where Kohnies was (Phx)

drewb123 Dec 9, 2008 06:18 PM

I saw that it seems Kohnies (camel and 44th st) closed down. Not that I was a frequent visitor but just curious if anyone knows what is moving in?

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  1. silverbear RE: drewb123 Dec 9, 2008 06:38 PM

    A new office complex, I believe. That piece of prime real estate is underutilized, so I'm glad to see something bigger going up there -- provided the recession doesn't kill the project.

    Kohnie's and Daniel's are gone, but Havana Cafe says they have an arrangement worked out to be incorporated into the new development.

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    1. re: silverbear
      winedubar RE: silverbear Dec 9, 2008 06:51 PM

      wait - did i read this right? that another office building is better than the interesting non-office space spot that exists there now?

      how many people go to restaurants in office complexes? isn't that the death knell for restaurants - that they turn into food outlets for local cubicle dwellers, but thats it..

      i can think of tons of restaurants in az that are in strip malls. heck, my new favorite noca is in a strip mall. but i can't think of a single restaurant that i go to that's in an office building.

      thats sad to me. to lose something interesting for an office building

      1. re: winedubar
        ejs1492 RE: winedubar Dec 9, 2008 07:22 PM

        Given the current glut of office space available in this market and the lack of available funding for large-scale office projects, I'd be surprised if this alleged redevelopment happens any time soon. Which makes this even more of a shame...these great independent places are shutting down because the owner doesn't renew the leases...and the payoff that he's holding out for isn't going to happen any time soon.

        (yes, I'm in commerical real estate!)

        1. re: ejs1492
          winedubar RE: ejs1492 Dec 9, 2008 07:28 PM

          i know, its the total double whammy. i saw the same thing happen when i did the dot com thing. businesses got kicked out of all kinds of spaces so that the landlords could reap loads of money from emergent dot commers. so loads and loads of businesses, even those opened for decades, got the boot and shut down. we all know what happened after the dot com bubble burst.

          i'd hate to see more and more local restaurants close because of a potential and alleged pay-off thats not coming.

    2. silverbear RE: drewb123 Dec 9, 2008 07:17 PM

      Found an old blog post on this with a comment from me. Flame away.


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        Molto E RE: drewb123 Dec 10, 2008 07:15 AM

        It is open... breakfast / lunch spot.

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          drewb123 RE: Molto E Dec 10, 2008 01:11 PM

          what is it called? what type of food?

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