What are your favorites in the LESMD (Lower East Side of the Mission District)?
- rworange Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM
There's a 7X7 article christening a new district ... formerly known as 24th St.
They mention Dynamo Donut, St. Francis Fountain, the upcoming Sushi Bistro, La Palma Mexicatessen and La Torta Gorda.
There seems to be an Indian restaurant in that area as well, though I don't recall the name. Any good?
re: Melanie Wong
Yup. That's it. Drove by yesterday and saw the Chinese part.
Any thoughts about Sundance Coffee on 24th? The coffee is organic and free trade.
Tried Dynamo yesterday and hated ... hated ... that Four Barrel coffee. Wish I had noted the blend because it will put me off ever trying this coffee again. It is very much like Blue Bottles Hayes Valley blend which is my least favorite BB coffee. It tastes like Dunkin Donuts coffee that's been sitting in the pot too long ... sour and acidic. Ick. I nursed it over two hours before finally tossing it. I toyed with the idea of stopping by Philz and asking for a few mint leaves to throw in.
That combined with the bacon apple donut made for an extremely unpleasant start of the day. The first bite of that donut was just foul ... and this after the awful sip of coffee. I stopped by to try to wake myself up. It did ... but not in a good way.
Not one to toss a $3 donut, I soldiered through, and it was ok after a few bites. Wouldn't buy it again or go out of my way for a Dynamo donut. I wouldn't turn one down. It was ok, but just not up to the promise and price.
I also didn't know this was just a sidewalk coffee bar and there was no indoor seating area. Sheesh, all that money and not even a table to sit at. Yeah, sure, there are chairs on the side walk ... without a table. Heck even All-Star and Bob's have a place to set your coffee cup while eating a donut. It's not like this is in any better neighborhood than those locations despite the start of gentrification.
I feel Dynamo is making a sincere effort to deliver a quality product, but it just didn't appeal to me a lot.
It sort of had the Miette-syndrome. Someone brought a dozen and boxed they just looked beautiful. The taste didn't match the looks.
Not that I'll use it ... but what is the frequent 'fryer' card about? .... buy 12 donuts and get one free or buy 12 dozen and get a dozen free?
That was the other thing. The service was off. I was standing there with the card. No one offered to stamp it. They started to buypass me in line. The guy in front of me was taking a gazillion years with those donuts and I was supposed to guess that the server glancing in my direction meant to place my order. He then glanced at the next person in line who seemed to know the code and started to order before I stopped him. Weird place. Prefer Philz in that nabe.
Sundance coffee is pretty good. If I am looking for a simple cup of coffee on 24th between Mission and Potrero, I go there. They usually have both medium and dark roast.
I haven't had any fancier drinks there (by 'fancy' i mean cappuccino, espresso, lattes, etc). Nor have I ever been enticed to stay...the chairs/decor seem uncomfortable. The baked goods never look good.
I had similar service issues at Dynamo, but that was closer to when they first opened. I had hoped these issues would be solved by now, but I'm sorry to hear they haven't.
Because Philz isn't weird? hahah I
Four Barrels uses Stumptown beans last I checked (unless they started roasting finally?) You may have been happier getting coffee at Dynamo itself. They also use Stumptown. I've just rarely had a good cup when the vendor used those Stumptown beans. I think it's a difficult coffee to brew, or there are bad batches. Anyway you realize if Four Barrels isn't roasting their own, then the hype is just over barista services, a coffee maker, and ambience.
What's wrong with Dynamo being a stand?
It's a pretty large stand, in that they've got a lot going on back there, and it's nicely presented. The counter is large, and relaxed from what I've seen. I love the trend in bringing back food stands. If you really want to sit with a donut, buy the donut at Four Barrels and order your coffee today. By all accounts, Dynamo makes some clunkers, and you ordered one of them. I really liked the pumpkin vanilla bean, for example.
It's a donut. If you want romance, buy a pastry?
Doughnut Plant in NYC is not much more then a stand either. Dynamo probably has more square footage behind their counter then all of XOX truffles on Columbus. Most of the reviews probably fail to mention these places are really just stands, without seating. If you want the Dynamo product and seats, Four Barrels is your current option.
If a place is selling $2-$3 donuts, there shouldn't be clunkers.
XOX is a candy store. Yes you can buy a cup of coffee or hot chocolate, but that isn't the focus ... and small as it is ... in a more prime area ... it has a counter or tables to put your coffee. For $2 I can get both a better cup of coffee (Graffeo) and a truffle ... hand-made ...in the shop.
Like I said, I don't dislike Dynamo. I just wouldn't go out of my way to go there and unless nothing else was open, it would be unlikely I'd stop by again. Gourmet donuts came and went in the 90's. They will come and go again.
And I'm waiting impatiently for Humphry Slocombe to open--a new artisanal ice cream shop near the corner of Harrison and 24th. Yats is also right in that area, and I hear Manivanh (sp?) Thai is pretty okay.
ETA #1: The churros made to order at La Parilla are (sing-songy voice) to die for!
ETA #2: Philz. Just had a fantastic Turkish coffee there this AM.
ETA #3: Last but not least, Alhambra Halal Meat, "100% natural and organic." I know for a fact that a lot of families in the Mission that prefer this type of meat have switched from Whole Foods to buying at Alhambra. I bought some beef shanks there myself this AM. First time I've gotten anything.
This is my neighborhood, so I have been to most restaurants on this section of 24th St. I've written about most of them on chowhound too.
Manivanh Thai is pretty good, especially for curries. It's the closest Asian food to my house, so it's good for a quick take-out meal. I wouldn't go out of my way to go there, but if you are in the neighborhood, it's good.
St. Francis Fountain is overrated but not bad. I once had a really good egg salad sandwich there (or a special sandwich with egg and bacon?), but then I went again another time and it wasn't good at all. Breakfasts there are fine, but IMO not worth the wait.
I love L's Cafe, where I go pretty frequently. Great for breakfast sandwiches, also great chicken salad, and other cafe food.
La Palma has amazing guacamole (best packaged guacamole you can buy I think), good tortillas....I don't usually go there for burritos/tacos, so I can't comment on that.
I haven't had a torta from La Torta Gorda since they moved to their new space, which was over a year ago! But I have had excellent banana milkshakes there, and they are super friendly. I usually get tortas at Tortas Los Picudos.
Yat's is very close by, like Atomica says. My one meal there was great.
I've eaten at other places too....will post more later.
Yup, I tried George's with a fellow hound, and we ran into another hound there. I thought it was just OK. The pastrami was pretty good, and I might return to by this by the pound sometime....service was super friendly, and I want this place to do well.....but the food might not be interesting or good enough for me to return anytime soon.
re: Dave MP
2871 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
St. Francis Fountain & Candy
2801 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
3101 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
La Palma Mexicatessen
2884 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
Alhambra Halal Meat Company
3111 24th St, San Francisco, CA
La Parrilla Grill - Folsom
2801 Folsom Street, San Francisco, CA
3231 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
Yats New Orleans Original Po Boys
1609 Powell St, San Francisco, CA 94110
Manivanh Thai Restaurant
2732 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
La Torta Gorda
2833 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
re: Dave MP
I think George's roasted meats (the ribs and pastrami) are worthy of inclusion, as long as you skip the barbecue sauce. It's a hofbrau basically--a nicer Pete's. It's not like there's a decent deli on this side of town.
They'll have to upgrade their sides if they want to appeal to anyone who thinks calling the Mission the Lower East Side is a cool idea though. (Where else can you get a baked Idaho potato with a slab of butter and sour cream? No truffle butter or duck fat or local herbs to be found.
And for those of us who remember the Lower East Side before gentrification, when all you could count on was junkies and muggings after a middle of the night meal at Kiev, the comparison's a little too apt.
re: Dave MP
I purposely held back on commenting on that in the OP to get.food recs so this didn't turn into a thread about the name.
Someone over at 7x7 was trying to copycat NY's LES by putting that stamp on this area. That being said, it is more than a donut shop. More and more relatively upscale for this area joints have been opening.
I've expressed some alarm at the transformation of this area, but I don't live there, so if this was my nabe I'd probably appreciate the changes. Still, it is a little sad to see the character of a neighborhood change. I guess the name isn't any more silly than NOPA.
Now what to call the 16th and Mission area which has it's own character and vibe going ... Central Region Inner Mission Experience?
NOPA actually makes some sense since there was really no designation for this area before ("Western Addition" technically comprises a huge area and even the more colloquial reference covers a lot of space).
If I were a Spanish-speaking person or from that tradition living in the Mission, I might not welcome the "diversification" and probably yuppification of my nabe, particularly if my income were low. So often it's not just that new types of places are added but that older places are slowly squeezed out.
On a related topic, many newcomers to SF refer to this area as "Outer Mission," I never know whether to laugh or scream: That designation by general historic consensus starts at Geneva.
My own historic Cow Hollow nabe is universally misnamed "Marina" by newcomers too. I'm all for tradition ih these matters.
re: Dave MP
Yup. Besides, trendy acronym nicknames only work if they're easy to spell and pronounce, like SOMA and the more annoyingly trendy NOPA. How do you pronounce LESMD? Less-mid? At least "NO" and "SO" are accepted abbreviations for the directions they represent, but does anyone (especially in SF), think "lower east side" when they hear "less"? Heck, I had to look at a map to verify that 24th street is indeed the "lower east side" of the Mission District! Let's just nip this one in the bud right now, before the trendoids glom on to it!
re: Ruth Lafler
Agreed, NOPA is annoying but at least it's easy to say. I'm glad 24th and York is perking up a bit. The renovation of the York into Brava was actually a very good re-use because it was run down for years and someone was likely to put in lofts otherwise. Still, it would be a shame if that area got yuppied.
If you want to subvert LESMD, there's plenty of way. I'd use gang lingo...like Y24 or something. That'll scare away the riff-raff.
Indeed, I hereby christen that 'hood Y24. Now lets get some ink to rep the 'hood! Tats for everyone bi-otches!
re: Ruth Lafler
I agree we don't need any more acronyms. :)
When I first read the topic title I was thinking more of somewhere around 16th and Folsom than 24th Street.
If we do decide that we have to divide up the Mission, then I guess you could consider 24th and Mission the center. However it is more common in SF to use Inner and Outer when referring to neighborhoods.
Another useful practice in SF is to always provide a cross street because the address numbers are not consistent (like in cities that follow a strict grid system).
More places in this area:
I had a chorizo super burrito from Taqueria San Francisco last night. It was okay. Burritos are hit and miss here, sometimes they are excellent, with really tasty meat and generous amounts of avocado. In general, their chorizo is pretty good.
I posted recently about my meal at Usulutan - I thought their homemade tortillas were great, and I want to go back to try their pupusas, though other posters have said they are only OK.
El Metate makes great quesadillas, filled with veggies. I ordered their fish tacos again recently, and again they came with rice in them. I am not a big fan. Usually I just make my own quesadillas at home, but if I'm ever in the mood to go out for them, this is the place to get them.
Assuming the Goza Goza taco truck is still around (haven't been in a while), that's at Harrison and 25th. Good cuban sandwiches.
Places in the neighborhood but have been meaning to try: Roosevelt Tamale Parlor, La Paz Restaurant (on Potrero), Casa Sanchez, New Aux Delices (which has some odd and contradictory yelp reviews - I wonder if some of the posters are confusing it with Aux Delices??).
Also, I didn't realize Dynamo was opening a restaurant. Does anyone know more about this? What will they serve?
Taqueria San Francisco
2794 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
Tacos Goza Goza Truck
25th St and Harrison St, San Francisco, CA
Roosevelt Tamale Parlor
2817 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
2990 24th St, San Francisco, CA
El Metate Restaurant
2406 Bryant St, San Francisco, CA
Dynamo Donuts and Coffee
2760 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
Casa Sanchez Restaurant
2778 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110
La Paz Restaurant Pupuseria
1028 Potrero Ave, San Francisco, CA 94110
New Aux Delices Vietnamese
1002 Potrero Ave, San Francisco, CA 94110