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brentk Dec 9, 2008 05:00 AM

A first time visitor, I'll be spending a few days in St. Louis next week and am looking for suggestions.

What are the dishes that are the specialties of the city and where are the best places to get them?

I'll be staying in Clayton and will have a car.

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    FriendOfTheDevil Dec 9, 2008 07:21 AM

    St. Louis Pizza- The hometown chain is IMOs. The better examples of it are Ami's, Frank and Helens, Faracis, Ponticellos
    There are other Pizzas that are better though- Pi, La Pizza, Deweys to name a few.
    Toasted Raviolis- Tons of places on "The Hill"

    Ted Drewes Custard
    Crown Candy Kitchen- BLT and Chocolate Banana Malted (For LUNCH)

    Places on The Hill for St. Louis Italian such as Cunnettos although better Italian can be had at Trattoria Marcella and I hea rgood things about Brazzi's

    That ought to keep you a little busy.

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      FriendOfTheDevil Dec 9, 2008 07:24 AM

      Brentk,
      Just saw this in another thread. i have not been here but you could kill two birds with one stone and it is in Clayton-

      <<Are you a fan of St. Louis-style pizza with the provel cheese? If so, my favorite place is Cafe Manhattan, on Hanley near Wydown, in Clayton just a bit west of Wash U. Good toasted ravioli there too.>>

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        brentk Dec 9, 2008 07:30 AM

        Thanks for your ideas. A couple of questions:

        What exactly is St. Louis Pizza? Is it always made with provel (provolone?) cheese?

        Also, where is The Hill?

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          Richard 16 Dec 9, 2008 08:38 AM

          St. Louis style pizza has a crackery, thin, unleavened crust, provel cheese (a blend of provolone, swiss and cheddar), and a thick, fairly sweet, and heavily herbed sauce. With few exceptions natives love it and non-natives, well, don't. Other than the crust, sauce, and cheese it's not bad, but I'll eat it. Try it if you like, but there are (as FOTD notes) better places.

          Two items not yet mentioned are gooey butter cake and St. Paul sandwiches.

          Gooey butter cake, IMHO, is one of the most decadent and best things to come out of STL. Generally yellow cake on the bottom with sweet cream cheese on top and covered with powdered sugar. If you've wanted to be a type two diabetic, here ya go.

          St. Paul sandwiches are not from St. Paul. They're found at inexpensive (OK, cheap) Chinese restaurants. Essentially egg foo young patties between soft white bread with mayo, lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles. Sounds weird, but it works. Well, for me...

          Have fun, and report back!

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            FriendOfTheDevil Dec 9, 2008 08:41 AM

            Provel, and Provolone are not the same thing. Provel is a processed cheese that is much gooer.
            yes, St. Louis style is always made with that. You CAN get Mozz at some places on request but true STL is Prrovel.
            the other places I mentioned to you do not use Provel.
            Most out of towners honestly, cannot stand it. I think it is something you grow up with and like and otherwise, not so much.

            The hill- is here- If this link does not work, just go to Google Maps and type St. Louis the Hill
            http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st.+louis+the+hill&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=39.099308,55.546875&ie=UTF8&ll=38.618983,-90.278435&spn=0.018073,0.027122&z=15&g=st.+louis+the+hill&iwloc=addr
            Here is a link describing it-

            http://www.diningstl.com/TheHill.htm

            FOTD

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          nosh Dec 9, 2008 10:40 AM

          brentk,

          I am a St. Louis native, and when I return to town for family events, often my first and last meals are for St. Louis-style pizzas. The descriptions so far are correct; properly done, a St. Louis pizza will be ultrathin with a crisp, crackery crust. Most of the toppings that are sliced flat, like pepperoni, mushroom, or onions and green peppers, are placed under the cheese, with hunks of sausage rising on top. Provel is a soft, very melty cheese. Finally, because the pizzas are so thin, they tend to be large in diameter, and are sliced into squares rather than the traditional wedges. If you are in Clayton, I highly recommend Cafe Manhattan -- a very casual soda-fountain themed place just south of the major business and civic center area on the west side of Hanley near Wydown, not far from the Highway 40 overpass. They offer a personal pizza and salad combo special good all day, also do toasted ravioli, are friendly, fast, and nonsmoking.

          If the weather isn't horrible, Ted Drewe's is well worth the trip for frozen custard. It is a rich, creamy vanilla soft-serve custard made into a myriad of sundaes or ultrathick "concretes" with syrups and mix-ins that can be turned upside-down without spilling. On Chippewa in the south city area on the old Highway 66.

          A fun place to visit for a beer and burger is Blueberry Hill on Delmar in the Loop area just east of Clayton and north of Washington University. The place is filled with rock'n'roll memorabilia, especially that of the native Chuck Berry.

          The Hill is the historic Italian neighborhood in the south city. Most restaurants there are famous for simple redsauce pasta dishes with huge portions for fairly reasonable prices, quantity over quality. Trattoria Marcella may be a bit of an exception, with many ranking it the best in that area, with others choosing Dominic's, which is expensive. Amighetti's is known for a classic Italian sandwich, and Volpi's for housemade sausages and cured prosciutto.

          For upscale, Tony's has been regarded as the top dress-up, expensive, formal tableside prep restaurant in St. Louis for decades, located downtown near the stadium. Two top newer places are in the Soulard area just south of downtown, Niche and Sidney Street Cafe. Harvest is closer to Clayton and is hosting a special from Dec. 16-18 (I think) with greatly reduced prices due to the highway closure. In Clayton, I have posted before about the extraordinary value being offered at The Crossing, with a four-course price-fixe menu with choices for $25. The Central West End, about midway between Clayton and downtown, is a revived area with a lot of coices, as is Washington on the north side of downtown. For BBQ, the best place in town is the newcomer Pappy's, near St. Louis U.

          There are some places in St. Louis known for good food (e.g. the burger or roast beef sandwich at O'Connell's) that I will not patronize because of the smoking. If you are sensitive, be sure to call and ask about the smoking policies before going. Enjoy, ask for more specific recs, and be sure to report back.

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            FriendOfTheDevil Dec 9, 2008 10:45 AM

            Nice job Nosh!
            Yeah, what he said==========>

            FOTD

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              bobovespa Dec 10, 2008 04:38 PM

              We ate at Rigazzi's on the Hill when we visited the Lou recently. The St. Louis pizza was outstanding. Everything else was forgettable. I have fallen in love with the deli counter at Straub's, a small supermarket chain mostly in the wealthier suburbs.

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                FriendOfTheDevil Dec 11, 2008 07:36 AM

                Most people that get out at least, think Rigazzis is terrible these days. Please don't hold that up as a good "St. Louis " place.

                FOTD

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                  odatlynn Dec 13, 2008 05:48 AM

                  I agree. Rigazzis has really gone down hill. Not that they were ever great.

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                  dietwater Dec 13, 2008 07:49 AM

                  Great post, nosh!

                  Now I'm also going to be in St Louis for a few weeks starting January. Any suggestions on good Chinese (not the Americanized General's chicken type) or Japanese restaurants? I'll be working in Chesterfield area and will have a car too.

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                    nosh Dec 13, 2008 11:26 AM

                    Thank you. I love eating in St. Louis, but I'll have to admit that red-sauce Italian, big portion comfort and bar food, and upscale American or continental are the area's strengths, with Chinese and other far eastern as well as Mexican among the weaknesses. You should also be aware that Chesterfield is fairly far out west by St. Louis standards, though with Highway 40 now being closed for remodeling further in, I believe that you'll have an easy straight shot into town as far as Clayton, though not all the way downtown. There is a stretch of Olive, just east of the Inner Belt (170) where there are a lot of Chinese restaurants. The favorite these days seems to be Lulu's, especially for dim sum; a couple of years back a lot of the Chowhound talk was about Wei Hong. A longstanding classic on Brentwood just south of Clayton is Yen Ching. I have read some good things about a place called King Doh, which may or may not have something to do with Homer Simpson, and some others further west in a thread about Chinese restaurants that was quite lively about a month ago on the Eat at Joe's forum on the St. Louis Post-Dispatch website -- click on www.stltoday.com and then Entertainment and then Dining or Restaurants and scroll down.

                    Out in Chesterfield, the big favorite restaurant over the years is probably Annie Gunn's, a steakhouse with a fairly informal decor with surprisingly high quality steaks and expensive prices. It is also known for a lively, cougar-inhabited bar scene. A branch of the upscale Italian Cafe Napoli 2, which actually is not big-portion red-sauce but more regional and authentic, just opened up and was reviewed in the Post this week.

                    Good luck, have fun, and report back.

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                      hill food Dec 17, 2008 07:10 PM

                      Nosh: I've found really really good Mexican - forget anything like Gallardo, in fact don't even think of it as Mexican - just off (far) South Grand around Bates. just across from the Polish dry good market. IIRC.

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                        nosh Dec 17, 2008 07:28 PM

                        First, what Mexican have you discovered that you like? What do you order there?

                        Second, even if you find some passable Mexican, it is certainly not a St. Louis specialty. Someplace, somewhere in the Southwest may fry up a toasted ravioli in a chipotle sauce, but I'd still be better off ordering the al pastor.

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                          hill food Dec 17, 2008 08:49 PM

                          definitely NOT an STL specialty, but you brought up Mex. I have noticed mom and pop Latino places more and more in the last 8 years - kinda the way SE Asian started showing up in the mid 80's.

                          hopefully the place is still around, and I'm no expert on Mexican other than being able to tell if it's all house-made (ok, maybe not the tortilla) but the best I've had outside of similar places in AZ or CA.

                          noticed lengua and menudo on the hand-written board. closest to a NoCal taqueria, great carne asada. but it's been a coupla years since I've been back. hope they haven't changed a thing. right down to the cheap furniture.

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                            wekick Dec 17, 2008 09:21 PM

                            Besides the places on Cherokee, there are some places over by the airport. My favorite, aside from those on Cherokee, is a homey kind of place in a old fast food place-maybe a taco bell on Woodson Road. Taqueria la Pasadita I think is the name. There are some others. The number of taquerias that serve tacos al pastor W/wo pineapple are increasing almost exponentially especially in the small towns. (that would be a whole other post) I like to order tacos and try to get a Coke in a bottle and hope it is made with real sugar. Most of the little places we go to serve these small double tortillas filled with cilantro, onions, slices of lime and the filling of your choice. (maybe barbacoa. chorizo, suadero, carne asada) While you can often find the "el"clones of El Maguey, look a little farther and you will find something more to your liking.

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                              hill food Dec 3, 2011 02:29 PM

                              since someone revived this thread - La Tejana on North Lindbergh just South of the airport does awesome things to al Pastor, asade and Carnitas for their tacos

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                        Richard 16 Dec 13, 2008 05:18 PM

                        My favorite Japanese in the St. Louis area was Yoshi's in Chesterfield - they're undergoing renovation and are supposed to reopen Monday evening, 12-15 (This Monday.) renamed MomoYamas. Yoshi is moving back to Japan, but he supposedly will be there for a few months for transition. His partner, Annie, will remain.

                        There are several sushi bars in the area; Fuji down Clayton Rd. and Sapporo further down. Of the two Supporo is better. For a more complete list go to

                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/460298

                        Edit: Sapporo: Down Clayton Rd., left on Manchester.

                        It's a little old but the basics are the same.

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                      Clarkafella Dec 17, 2008 09:21 PM

                      Did I miss any mention of St Louis style ribs? I kind of thought that was the preferred style for most competition these days...

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                        moto Dec 17, 2008 09:51 PM

                        clarkafella, as you probably know 'st.louis-style' can refer to the way pork spare ribs are cut and trimmed, not how they're smoked, or seasoned. That cut is popular in the competitions, but the kind of flavoring and so forth of st.louis bbq generally isn't as popular across the country as Memphis, KC, Texas, or Carolina. They generally favor sweetness from molasses or brown sugar and ketchup/tomato derivatives and put sauce on rather than keep it separate from the smoked meat.

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                          hill food Dec 17, 2008 10:01 PM

                          yeah the term references the cut - why? dunno, but still the regional method is very mid-Mississippi Valley (MPH, LR) in that one smokes and then open grills with sauce on (in my admittedly extremely narrow view).

                          sauce later? fine. I'll enjoy it that way, but I won't cook it like that. the sauce ought to caramelize over the fire. of course a pulled sandwich is a whole 'nother ballgame.

                          I'll simmer my own, but in a pinch, Maull's anyone?

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                        dmd_kc Dec 17, 2008 10:09 PM

                        As others have said, the pizza is THE thing to try. But just go to IMO's. It's the standard-bearer, whether it was first, best or whatnot. It's the place to experience it most authentically.

                        Also worth checking out: Fitz's Rootbeer in University City: http://www.fitzsrootbeer.com/
                        The food is better than it should be, and it's an institution. If you spend the afternoon in U City, Saleem's ("Where garlic is king") is awesome and kind of over the top at the same time. I eat there every time I'm in town.

                        If you're feeling really adventurous, go to Roper's Ribs ( http://www.ropersribs.com/ ) -- or better, across the state line to East St. Louis and get a tripe sandwich. I can't remember the name of the place, but it's near N. 3rd St. and Highway 15, and there's always a line after 6 or so. Greasy, crispy and must be eaten with lots of hot sauce. Awesome.

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                          hill food Dec 21, 2008 12:16 AM

                          East St. Louis is our secret. Remember that.

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                          brentk Dec 19, 2008 01:12 PM

                          Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I was able to accomplish quite a bit on my trip.

                          Cafe Manhattan - I loved the crunch of the crust of St. Louis pizza with gooey provel cheese (had it with sausage and basil, two of my favorite toppings) but I could take or leave the toasted ravioli (too doughy and the flavors of the stuffing were indistinct)

                          Ted Drewes Custard - I am a sucker for frozen custard so this was like being in Mecca. I had the pumpkin pie special and had to restrain myself from going back for another flavor.

                          Niche - Really a top flight restaurant for one who is a fan of creative cookery. I debated on what to get, having decided on the pig's head appetizer (a tongue in cheek dish created by layering oh so tender cheeks and jowl pieces with baked apple slices, along with a side salad of arugula). I also wanted to try the Pork Duo but vacillated until the waiter told me that the kitchen's motto was, "You can never have enough pork." That, too was a great dish, with tender shank meet topped with some pork belly and served alongside a sweet potato gratin layered with diced pancetta, brown sugar and heavy cream. The swiss chard on the side eased my conscience about the decadence of the order I placed.

                          Pappy's - I went for an early dinner and while they still had ribs, they were lukewarm, at best, and slightly tough. I've eaten a lot of BBQ in all of the country's BBQ meccas and this was a disappointment. The green beans were also a let-down, although the sweet potato fries were first rate.

                          Mai-Lee - I had to try a St. Paul sandwich so I went to Mai-Lee. I once had a Chinese colleague who described himself as a banana - yellow on the outside and white on the inside. I guess this was the opposite - white bread, lettuce and mayo on the outside, with a vaguely Asian fried egg creation on the inside. I liked it, but I think I would prefer it with some other type of bread.

                          Other places I went that were not mentioned in this thread:

                          I found my way to Kaldi's for breakfast - had a really supurb press pot with fair trade Sumatra along with a nice bowl of oatmeal

                          As a lover of craft beer, I also found my way to 33 Wine Shop and Bailey's Chocolate Bar. Both had great beer lists although the only food I consumed was a nice cheese plate at Bailey's.

                          All in all, a great trip. Thanks again for helping to make it special.

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                            nosh Dec 22, 2008 01:40 PM

                            So glad that you had a good visit and some of our suggestions helped. Kudos to Cafe Manhattan, Ted Drewe's, and Niche. Thanks for reporting back.

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                              dexi39 May 6, 2011 04:24 PM

                              nosh, I think I love you. articulate, intelligent, passionate. what more could someone want???

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                                nosh May 6, 2011 07:54 PM

                                dexi -- great to have a CH fan. click on my screenname to go to my CH page and email me!

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                                  dexi39 May 11, 2011 11:12 AM

                                  It's been so much fun reading this thread. I grew up in St. Louis, we bought Gus' pretzels at the intersection of Lemay Ferry and Lindbergh (I think...it's been a long time) and so many other things that were St. Louis specialties. I think I already told you the story of the gooey butter cake/ex-husband incident.

                                  I've lived in Phoenix for a lot of years. I flipped when I had to pay $15 for a plate of pasta in '85 here. It's NOODLES, for god's sakes...and you could still get a plate on the hill for well under $10. I also flipped to find fresh jalapenos and cilantro and avocado...I never even heard of guacamole when I was back home. I'm sure things are so different now...the culinary arts have taken off and are all the rage now. People have become educated and long gone are the tuna casseroles topped with potato chips my mom used to make. The technological field has changed drastically over the last several years, of course...but I think the food world has changed as much. I remember watching Yan Can Cook and The Galloping Gourmet with my son when he was a bitty boy...but those and Julia Child's show were the only things on TV back then. Now we have tons of cooking reality shows as well as those like Emeril. It's crazy. I love it. I have a passion for it. It is amazing to create something that makes people so happy. Thank y'all for having this board and especially this thread!

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                                    wekick May 11, 2011 01:45 PM

                                    Tuna casserole is not gone -but it may be gentrified! I still make it with tuna packed in olive oil, good cheese, frozen little peas and the mushroom sauce from scratch but I can't mess with the crushed potato chips.

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                              pnkpssyct May 12, 2011 06:25 AM

                              Mai-lee is my favorite resteraunt in the whole of St. Louis. There menu is superb, the pho is to die for. Sorry you wasted calories on a St. Paul, they have much better offerings. The roasted duck is another winner. We no longer live there but on our occasional 2 hour pilgrimage, we usually bring a cooler for a second duck.

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                                alan May 12, 2011 06:39 AM

                                The calories consumed in a St. Paul sandwich are NEVER wasted. On the other hand, I'd head to a low-rent joint to get one of those.

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                                  pnkpssyct May 12, 2011 04:27 PM

                                  I guess I really meant, wasted stomach space. I dream of Mai-Lee and ALWAYS over order, again, utilizing the cooler. Tried the St Paul once thinking it was like a Banh Mi, no description, boy was I disappointed. But, I see where this sandwich has it's place in the hearts of die hard, greasy savory is always good!

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                                    hill food May 12, 2011 07:26 PM

                                    expecting Banh Mi and got a St. Paul? no wonder you felt burned (so to speak)

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                              Iowaboy3 Dec 3, 2011 12:37 PM

                              Looking for updates and suggestions. Will be in STL Tuesday, Dec. 6 and looking for someplace to have dinner. Not sure which part of STL we'll be staying in but we will have a car.

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                                Itsmy6 Dec 3, 2011 05:51 PM

                                Basically everything above is still in affect. Gooey Butter Cake, St. Louis Style Pizza, and Toasted Ravioli.

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                                  Iowaboy3 Dec 4, 2011 07:56 AM

                                  Found out this morning we will be staying in Chesterfield. Looking for someplace nice but not fancy to go Tuesday evening.

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                                    Itsmy6 Dec 4, 2011 08:08 AM

                                    Would highly suggest Annie Gunns.

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                                    Annie Gunn's
                                    16806 Chesterfield Airport Rd, Chesterfield, MO 63005

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                                      Iowaboy3 Dec 5, 2011 12:17 PM

                                      Annie Gunns looks good but a bit more expensive than we're looking for I think.

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                                        FriendOfTheDevil Dec 5, 2011 01:16 PM

                                        That is kind of why I asked what price point you are looking for. Annie Gunns is fantastic but also expensive.
                                        YiaYia's is a solid suggestion. Charlie Gittos is expensive to me. Not sure about how good it is.
                                        If you want a great more casual Asian meal, go to The Asian House. It is in Ellisville which is one suburb over from Chesterfield. I posted about it in the Chinese in St. Louis thread.
                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/120085
                                        The person that I sent there said this in response-
                                        < This is the best Chinese I've had in several years.
                                        >

                                        They are very flexible. They have Chinese, Japanese and Sushi. They even have a Chinese Menu if you want REAL authentic. They are very flexible to your wishes and also super nice. I understand a person from California just came there because of Chow and enjoyed it alot. I work with a guy from Iowa who oddly enough I call "Iowaboy". He also loves the place.
                                        Below is a seafood combo dish I got there that reminded me alot of food I got in Hong Kong. Then I come to find out the chef is from HK so I can see why.
                                        http://www.stlasianhouse.com/

                                        If you go, please tell them that you came from Chowhound ok? Hope you do. It is solid.

                                        http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6222/63...

                                        FOTD

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                                      FriendOfTheDevil Dec 5, 2011 08:56 AM

                                      When you say "nice but not fancy", are you implying a price range?

                                      FOTD

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                                        ddfry3 Dec 5, 2011 10:04 AM

                                        Try YiaYia's, or maybe Charlie Gitto's (Olive)
                                        http://yiayias.com/stl/index.htm
                                        http://charliegittos.com/locations/

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