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Pork belly

mfuller63 Dec 1, 2008 05:30 PM

Where's the best place to get pork belly, and what's the best way to prepare it? I got some at a local asian market, cured it, braised it, and seared it, but it was still very fatty -- not like what I've eaten in restaurants.

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  1. paulj RE: mfuller63 Dec 1, 2008 05:56 PM

    Maybe you need to describe how you've had it in restaurants. Pork belly = uncured bacon (not the backbacon type).

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      mfuller63 RE: paulj Dec 4, 2008 07:11 PM

      In restaurants I've had thick cubes that have been quite meaty, well marbled but without huge amounts of fat. Mine had good flavor but sort of a sickening amount of gelatinous fat.

    2. Robin Joy RE: mfuller63 Dec 4, 2008 07:46 PM

      I think that the one cut of modern pork which retains adequate fat is belly. In fact trad. pork belly just has too much for me.

      I posted this elsewhere a couple of days ago and it may be a little off subject, but, crackling aside, the meat is beautifully moist and soft:

      Have I finally cracked crackling?

      I've struggled for years with unreliable results, but this really, really does work:

      Pre-heat oven to gas 6/200C/400F. (May sound a little hot, but it works)

      For four people take a 1-1.5kg (say 2 1/2 ibs) piece of boneless, skin on, belly pork. This will be about 10 inches square and 1 to 2 inches thick. Score the skin with a very sharp knife at about 1/2 inch spaces. Now cut the meat across and across again into 4 equal squares of one portion (so no carving!). Place meat, spaced a little, skin side up in a roasting tin and scatter chopped onion, carrot, celery, bay leaf, garlic etc around meat. Pour round boiling water to come about half way up the meat and stick it in the oven for 2 to 2 1/2 hours. Top up hot water if needed. Serve. No resting required. Actually this works fine with plain water, no veggies.

      This was given to me by someone who said they had read it recently, so sorry if I've stolen it.

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      1. re: Robin Joy
        paulj RE: Robin Joy Dec 4, 2008 07:53 PM

        A while back, inspired by a thread on 'petit sale', I salted a piece of pork belly, then braised it with vegetables, and served it with lentils. I though the pork and lentil combination worked very well.

        Petit sale is gamon, salted pork jowel, rather than belly, but the effect is similar

        1. re: Robin Joy
          Robert Lauriston RE: Robin Joy Dec 26, 2009 09:35 AM

          I used this cooking technique, except I used a four-pound piece of boar belly, presalted it, cooked it whole, substituted goose broth for water, and didn't add any vegetables or other seasoning. It came out great, similar to the meaty version of chicharrĂ³nes sold in Mexican markets.

          Half a pound per person would be a huge serving.

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            Robert Lauriston RE: Robert Lauriston Dec 26, 2009 10:05 AM

            Photo of the finished product:

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              c oliver RE: Robert Lauriston Jan 2, 2010 12:00 PM

              That looks amazing. I'm definitely doing that, hopefully tomorrow. Safeway here was out of black-eyed peas, not surprising the day after New Year's so I'm waiting to fix the pork belly.

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              c oliver RE: Robert Lauriston Jan 6, 2010 03:58 PM

              Can't tell from your photo if you scored the meat or not. Also did you heavily or lightly or ??? the meat? Thanks, RL.

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                Robert Lauriston RE: c oliver Jan 6, 2010 04:51 PM

                I scored the skin, roughly half an inch crosshatch, using a box cutter with the knife on its shortest setting.

                Heavily or lightly what? Salt? I use the Zuni proportions, about 3/4 teaspoon per pound. I salted it a few days in advance.

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            Joebob RE: mfuller63 Dec 4, 2008 08:55 PM

            Might they have been saving their better belly (more layers of meat) for their better customers? It helps to have a good relationship with the butcher and to know what to ask for. Rejet inferior cuts until they bring out the good stuff. They will respect you for it.

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              paulj RE: Joebob Dec 4, 2008 09:54 PM

              Or it could be that most customers at the Asian market prefer a fattier belly than the (non-Asian) restaurant customers. One is not necessarily superior to the other.

              I wonder if the fat/lean proportions vary across the typical slab. My local butcher (non-Asian) sells its own curred bacon which is quite lean. I also buy packages of bacon scraps, odd shaped pieces, mostly from the edges, which are on the lean side. On the other hand, I've seen chucks of salt pork which have very little lean.

              Next time you buy belly look at the packages to see if there is much variation in lean v fat. What you see in the raw is what you'll experience when cooked.

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                foodwhisperer RE: paulj Dec 4, 2008 10:30 PM

                bacon is smoked pork belly, sometimes smoked with skin on , . It's amazing how popular pork belly has become in the last couple of years. Filipino or japanese for pork belly. Try the pork belly at kyo ya . I would simmer it for a while or deep fry it. Until the 1970s slaughter houses smoked the belly with the skin on. Fried pork rinds were all smoked skins. Then they changed the process and took the belly skins off so harder to find smoked skins for pork rinds. There were only a couple of slaughterhouses that still would offer smoked skins for pork rinds. Pork rind manufacturers started to use back skins instead, but some that could find belly skins had the best tasting product. Sorry to stray off the topic, but im in the mood for some fried smoked pork belly skins. Rolets went out of business they were the last to have real smoked pork rinds.

            2. hannaone RE: mfuller63 Dec 5, 2008 12:25 AM

              In Korean markets you will find two types of pork belly loosely translated as three layer and five layer meat.
              The three layer is the fattier pork belly, and the five layer is leaner.
              There are quite a few ways to prepare it
              Soaked in water with doenjang (miso) then grilled, broiled, or braised.
              Sliced thin lengthwise and grilled, then served with a sesame oil/salt/pepper dipping sauce, or wrapped in lettuce or cabbage leaves with a bit of rice and a dab of spicy chili paste.
              Cut into chunks and marinated in a spicy marinade, then stir fried or grilled.
              Boiled, or boiled and grilled, then wrapped in kimchi.

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                joonjoon RE: hannaone Jan 2, 2010 12:36 PM

                I'm not religious, but pork and kim chee makes me want to pray.

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                  isadorasmama RE: joonjoon Jan 2, 2010 01:56 PM

                  I feel the same way about onions, bacon, and potatoes.

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                    globalgourmand RE: joonjoon May 23, 2010 05:15 PM

                    I love this comment.

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                    tcamp RE: hannaone Jan 25, 2010 08:28 AM

                    Hannaone, I have some pork belly chunks in the freezer purchased at a korean market and I'd like to prepare as you've suggested above. Can you provide some additional guidance on the spicy marinade?

                    1. re: tcamp
                      hannaone RE: tcamp Jan 25, 2010 04:27 PM

                      For 1 pound of 5 layer pork belly
                      3 fresh hot red or green chili peppers
                      1 tablespoon fine ground dried hot red chili pepper
                      1 tablespoon coarse ground dried hot red chili pepper
                      1 teaspoon doenjang (soy bean paste)
                      2 tablespoons soy sauce
                      1/4 cup unsalted beef broth or water
                      2 tablespoons mulyeot (malt syrup) or honey
                      2 teaspoons sesame oil
                      1 tablespoon rice wine
                      1 green onion
                      4 cloves garlic

                      Toss the peppers and garlic into a blender with a little water and liquefy.
                      Add all the ingredients together in a mixing bowl.
                      This will result in a fairly thick paste, add a little more water if needed to mix well.
                      Add the pork belly to the paste and mix well.
                      Cover and let it stand about two hours in the fridge.
                      Place the pork on a hot grill (or grill plate on a butane stove) or broil on high until edges begin to crisp and lightly char (Baste with any of the paste left in the bowl). Turn and repeat.
                      Serve with some loose leaf lettuce, sliced raw garlic, and seasoned green onions

                    2. re: hannaone
                      Passadumkeg RE: hannaone May 24, 2010 05:48 AM

                      I love the 5 layer pork belly wrapped in a lettuce leaf w/ cloves of garlic and slices of hot peppers. Gimme 5!

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                        hannaone RE: Passadumkeg May 24, 2010 01:04 PM

                        My personal favorite -
                        Raw garlic, hot green chili peppers, lightly crisped pork belly all rolled into leaf lettuce and dipped in ssamjang has got to be one of the best taste combos ever.

                    3. hobbybaker RE: mfuller63 Dec 26, 2009 09:55 AM

                      For me the best place is a local chinese market. They usually have a whole skin-on and bone-in and trim it or cut it upon request.

                      I have a favorite recipe in " All About Braising" by Molly Stevens, "Red-Cooked Pork belly with Bok Choy",

                      Also, Japanese Braised Pork is good. As the belly pre-boiled and drained, the meat is not too fatty anymore. Try the following site:


                      1. Zeldog RE: mfuller63 Dec 26, 2009 05:06 PM

                        Asian markets are still the best place to buy pork belly unless you want to pay a premium to have your butcher order some. There are a couple of things to keep in mind. A side of pig belly is usually cut into two pieces -- front and back. I forget which is leaner, but there is a big difference in fat to meat ratio, so if you just ask for a piece of belly no telling what you might get. Also, the restaurant might have served side meat instead of belly. Side meat looks pretty much like belly but is much leaner. Sometimes (at least around here) side meat is sold as belly, so there's a big range of fattyness. Bottom line, ask for lean and ask to see a few pieces to chose from.

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                          shaogo RE: Zeldog Jan 2, 2010 12:47 PM

                          I second what Zeldog recommends.

                          Indeed the Asian market is your best source for fresh pork belly at a low price. But do beware -- a lot of pork belly is just fat. What the OP had in a restaurant was a piece of meat carefully selected for a nice proportion of lean to fat.

                          Unless made into bacon, my favorite way to have pork belly is after it's been braised long and very slow in broth with lots of flavor.

                        2. flueln RE: mfuller63 Jan 8, 2010 05:01 AM

                          Maybe the best thing I ever put in my mouth is the roast pork belly from "Roast" restaurant in London. The crispy skin was to die for. WIth the chef's help (via email) I recreated it at home (although mine wasn't quite as good). I'd be happy to share the recipe if anyone wants.

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                            c oliver RE: flueln Jan 8, 2010 06:43 AM

                            Please tell me that the photo is from the restaurant and not your own prep. I'm going to be SO intimidated if you created that :) I would love the recipe. Please.

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                              joonjoon RE: flueln Jan 9, 2010 02:14 PM

                              OMG....that is ridiculous looking. please share!!!

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                                marcuswhitman RE: flueln Jan 25, 2010 07:25 AM

                                I'd love to have the recipe ASAP as I want to prepare pork belly this week please! My email is hedinek@pocketinet.com and thanks so much! K

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                                  cinnamon girl RE: flueln Jan 25, 2010 02:27 PM

                                  If you've got the time I'd love this recipe too please, FlueIn. Don't email - just post!

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                                    calvin_xa RE: flueln Jan 29, 2010 12:38 PM

                                    oh yes please post please.

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                                      epabella RE: flueln May 24, 2010 01:34 AM

                                      the photo item looks more like a rolled loin of pork rather than pork belly. pork belly can be rolled and tied-up like that too but the streaks where fat melted off would be more visible. whittingstall and ramsay have featured this in their shows, i'm pretty sure jamie, marco, james, gary rhoads and most brit celebrity chefs also serve their own versions.

                                      the easiest recipe for this that i'm familiar with is the one gordon fed hugh in the season two ender of the f-word.

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                                        Harters RE: epabella May 24, 2010 02:28 AM

                                        A roast of belly pork is, indeed, a very common restaurant dish in the UK. In fatc, I'd say it's almost become too common. It has the great benefit of not only being a very flavoursome dish but one that's cheap to prepare.

                                        Belly pork has also long been a cut for home use - again it's cheap so suited to long cooking. We roast a rolled piece, long and slow - about 3 hours at 150 - comes out with meat very similar to the pulled pork I've had in America. But it's not too good for crackling.

                                        Elizabeth David has agood recipe for pork rillettes using the cut.

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                                          hillsbilly RE: Harters May 24, 2010 05:12 AM

                                          I slow roast my pork belly and do my crackling separately. I dry, score and salt the skin and do crackling under the grill (broiler in the US?). I watch it very carefully, and it's pretty mesmerising to watch. Perfect crackling in a few of minutes and you can control it to make sure it's evenly frazzled.

                                          Long slow cooking does let a lot of the fat render away but it is the layers of fat that makes the meat so tender and sweet. You need to cook it with the fat. Yes, one end is leaner than the other but to me, the best meat is not from the leanest ends.

                                          My favourite ways to cook pork belly are to slow roast with a spice rub, or slathered in a paste of sage and garlic, and braise chinese red-cooked style .

                                          I think I know what we're having for dinner tomorrow...

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                                            Harters RE: hillsbilly May 24, 2010 05:46 AM

                                            Do you take the skin off at the beginning or wait till the joint's almost cooked before taking it off to grill?

                                            The slow roast with a rub is a good idea - Nigel Slater has a number of suggestions in one of his books. I've certainly had good results using a jar of "char siu sauce".

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                                              hillsbilly RE: Harters May 24, 2010 05:53 PM

                                              You can do either, just leave enough fat on the roast if you're doing it before. You want to protect the meat. Either way, start by drying and scoring the skin before removing it from the beast. I score with a stanley knife/box cutter that I keep especially. I don't apply any fat, just salt.

                                              I prefer taking it off during the cooking. I started doing crackling separately when, towards the end of roasting, I still wasn't getting a good crackling. When you cook it first and wait til it's not floppy anymore, the skin will pretty much lift right off in one sheet. Just need to release it at the edges with a sharp knife.

                                              Stick that under the grill on medium, watch it the whole time and adjust the temp and move your crackling sheet around as required. It should stay crispy for ages so no need to be too finnicky about when you do this.

                                              After you've taken the skin off, you also have a nice surface on the meat for glazing like you would a ham. I LOVE brown sugar + hot english mustard brushed all over. Char sui sauce is a favourite too but I am about to try a home made version to avoid the additives. My son is sensitive to all sorts of things. Lucky I love to cook from scratch.

                                              I've taken the skin off pork chops and grilled it too so everyone can have a little strip of crackling even without sunday roast.

                                              Hmmm, an hour after breakfast...hungry now.

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                                      tastesgoodwhatisit RE: mfuller63 May 23, 2010 10:48 PM

                                      Pork belly can vary a lot in the acutal amount of meat vs fat, so it helps to choose a meatier cut to begin with. I actually did roast pork belly last night, with a meaty cut, and it was fairly low fat.

                                      The other cool is long, slow cooking, to give the extra fat time to render out.

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