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tonto21 Nov 27, 2008 03:58 AM

Intend to go to Per Se for dinner provided we can get the booking. Will also go to wd-50 for dinner. Aside from these two does anyone have any suggestions or alternatives?

is Momofoku Ko worth the hassle of getting a reservation and is there even a slim chance of gettting one?!

I presume the obvious alternatives to Per Se are Jean Georges and Le Bernardin.

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    RGR RE: tonto21 Nov 27, 2008 05:51 AM

    "I presume the obvious alternatives to Per Se are Jean Georges and Le Bernardin."

    And Eleven Madison Park


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      seal RE: RGR Nov 27, 2008 06:07 AM

      Lol. As usual I agree with RGR about 11 Madison Park, but, truth be told, there are no alternatives to Per Se.

      I have not had any success in my attempts to get a reservation at Ko, but friends who have gone say it is a worthwhile experience.

      Also, I really enjoy Joel Robuchon as a high price point choice.

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        RGR RE: seal Nov 27, 2008 07:21 AM

        lol seal,

        I'm sure it will surprise you to hear me say that I think the cuisine at EMP is per se's equal. And that's not just because EMP is our favorite NYC restaurant. While our meal at per se was superb, to be honest, every dish did not wow me. For example, the "main course" veal was rather disappointing. I remember a veal dish at Fleur de Sel a few years ago that totally blew me away. And then, there are those veal cheeks at EMP... ;-o

        Yes, per se deserves accolades for the very high level of the cuisine. However, I cannot say, as so many do, that it was the best meal I've ever had. The fact is we have had so many sensational meals in our lifetime of dining out that I would be hard-pressed to pick out just one that rose above all others.

        Happy Thanksgiving to you, Mrs. seal and the "baby" seals. :-)

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          sethd RE: RGR Nov 28, 2008 04:44 AM

          Per Se is so far superior to EMP in every way you judge a restaurant. As is Jean Georges and Le bernardin.

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            RGR RE: sethd Nov 28, 2008 08:14 AM

            I think per se, EMP, and J.G. are on a par with one another in every respect.

            As for Le Bernardin, based on our one dinner there, I wouldn't rank it alongside the other three. In all the ways that count, it was a disappointment: the food didn't live up to the hype; service was so icy, they could have turned off the a.c.; and no matter what camouflage they employed, there was no escaping the feeling that I was dining in the lobby of an office building.

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              RCC RE: sethd Nov 30, 2008 11:07 AM

              Agree. Per Se is far superior in all aspect of the dining experience to eleven madison park.

              If your budget allows for it, and you can get a table at your preferred date, go for the Per Se.

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          ellenost RE: RGR Nov 28, 2008 05:52 AM

          I agree with RGR about Eleven Madison Park. Another great restaurant is my favorite, Aureole. Aureole has great food and service. Ko is definitely worth trying for since the food is highly creative. It is the opposite of Per Se in the sense that you can wear jeans (instead of your finest) and be treated to an equally delicious meal for less than half the price of Per Se. I've been to Ko 5 times during the past 4 months, but haven't been back to Per Se in more than two years since it hurts to think about spending $1000 for two for dinner. Don't get me wrong, if you have the $1000 to spend on dinner, you will have a magical dinner at Per Se.

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          rrems RE: tonto21 Nov 27, 2008 06:35 AM

          Picholine is another good alternative. In addition to the prix fixe with three courses plus the option of adding more, there is the regular tasting menu, the game tasting, and now they are offering (oddly, in these lean times) a 16-course tasting for $195. We noticed a table having it when we were there last week and they seemed to be having a great time.

          For an alternative to Ko (which I have not been to) you may want to consider Degustation. It is not the same type of food, but is similar in that you sit at a counter and they offer a 10-course tasting (in addition to a 5-course tasting and small plates a la carte). It's excellent and not hard to reserve.

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            dietndesire RE: tonto21 Nov 27, 2008 10:27 AM

            What is with all of these out of towners going to WD 50? Has the nonsense of "experimental" been promoted well?
            It is very expensive and while not everything is bad, many dishes are.
            Go somewhere else, please. If you want wacky food, go to Spain or somewhere that is much better at it.

            Personally, Le Bernardin is not at the top level for a few reasons and too many others that I know personally and have some respect for agree.

            So, I will just say don't do those two and choose from the others.

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              tonto21 RE: dietndesire Nov 27, 2008 03:55 PM

              I guess the attraction to WD-50 is that (from ireland) there is no one cooking this kind of food we have one or two extremely good restaurants but nothing in the vain of wd. Also in relation to wanting wacky food its not that we are traveling all the way to new york just for wd-50 its more something to do while we there.

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                rrems RE: tonto21 Nov 27, 2008 06:09 PM

                dietndesire and tonto21,

                You both make very valid points. Having been to WD-50, Spain and Ireland, I agree that compared with the molecular cuisine in Spain, WD-50 is amateur and inconsistent. And yes, Ireland has nothing of the sort to compare to, so I can understand the desire to try something that one cannot find there.

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              MaxdFood RE: tonto21 Nov 29, 2008 04:53 AM

              My recomendation would go to Le Bernardin. We ate there and where really impresed from the excelent food to the great service. After having read some less than positve reviews of the plave we decided to give it a try and where really not dissapointed.

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                PamG RE: tonto21 Nov 29, 2008 07:34 AM

                Every one is talking about Corton. I've yet to go but I do like the chef. L'Atelier Joel Robuchon is great but wine list is awful and a rip off.

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                  ellenost RE: PamG Nov 30, 2008 08:19 AM

                  I recently dined at L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon, and while it's very good, it's not in the same class as the other recommendations posted. It's a great place to go to if you're staying at the Four Seasons, or if you want a few courses (not a full meal). I made my own tasting menu (6 courses and half bottle of non-vintage champagne) and spent over $400. Much better value at Ko, Aureole or Eleven Madison Park.

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