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  • MSK Nov 24, 2008 07:12 PM
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Is that really an ad for Wendy's, I see???

Oy!

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  1. Been reading the economic news lately? Anyway, I think Wendy's burgers are quite good -- with tomato, onion and lettuce.

    1. Would you rather we paid for this site??

      DT

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      1. re: Davwud

        does seem odd, but I'm with Davwud, besides, didn't we learn to ignore banner ads and flashing sidebars years ago? sure there's probably a subliminal effect, but I'm good at denial and selective memory anyway.

      2. Wendys banner, pretty dreadfull. but no better or worse than the ads for Bucca Di Beppo from before.

        My thoughts:

        - If CH wasnt free I wouldnt use it(I barely use it anymore as it is)

        - Having ads for disgusting chains is no worse than having a board dedicated to them. Seems par for the course.

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        1. re: swsidejim

          it's true. Amazing and sad, and I barely hear about interesting un-trendy restaurants in Manhattan on this site anymore unless I search for hours. Where is the quest for deliciousness? It seems like all Ssam Bar all the time.

          1. re: redbecca

            it is very sad.

            Just as Food Network has been accused of lowering their standards, & appealing to the lowest common denomenator of people, so has Chowhound.

            Thankfully in Chicago we have a great local food website, so I am pretty much done with CH. I hope you can find one, or already have one in NYC.

            good luck

            1. re: swsidejim

              Chowhound, though, is the collection of people who write posts on Chowhound. Unlike the Food Network which has a handful of people who make decisions about what goes on television on their network and on their website and so on and might well be choosing to appeal to the "lowest common denominator," whatever that is, Chowhound has no such people (apart from moderators who aren't making decisions at those levels that I can tell at all) making those choices. We're responsible for the content on this site.

              I'm not arguing that you're incorrect....but the problem is people, not Chowhound.

            2. re: redbecca

              The easiest way to have more chowy posts on board is to make more chowy posts. If you feel that there's no questing for deliciousness, post about your quests for deliciousness. If you feel that the boards need to change, why not start the change yourself?

              1. re: limster

                Unfortunately, no one reads those posts anymore, or at least they don't reply very often. People don't seem interested in reading reports on new restaurants the way they used to be, or even checking them out. And there are often not very interesting replies to the "where can I find X" or "where's a good place to eat in the theater district." I see people recommending a few of the same places very often, including places that are not especially delicious - though in the theater district, that's a challenge.

                1. re: redbecca

                  Once again, those are situations that anyone could change. If someone posts about a new place, check it out and add your experience to the thread. If you feel that there aren't interesting replies, add one that you would consider interesting. Reinforce the types of posts that you like by engaging the posters, trying their recommendations.

          2. I just noticed the Wendy's ad today.
            CBS have you no shame???!!!

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            1. re: Barry Strugatz

              I like to complain and give the mega corporate masters shit, but CHound is still the best site to find and report on the best restaurants. At least my home board Outer Boroughs is still discovering hidden deliciousness. If Wendy's thinks we are their target demographic God bless their marketing geniuses.

            2. In the old days it was "I just found X."
              Now that is rare and it's mostly "where can I find X?"
              If CNET has eliminated all the old posts, then a legacy is gone. Chino Wayne's lyrical post about San Luis Obispo BarBeQue that ended with the trading of BBQ bits for kisses from his cat's little pink tongue or Twofer's comparative survey of LA BBQ joints are all gone.
              Progress.

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              1. re: Phood

                I see you are based in LA as I am. If you think "I just found X" is rare in LA I can only conclude that you haven't been looking at the board very closely. And if you don't read the "where can I find X?" posts then you are overlooking a treasure trove of excellent recommendations. As the limster has written so eloquently, if you want better "I just found X" posts on the board then do some quality hounding and post your finds. Have you done that?

                Finally, all of the history of CH is still available and waiting for anyone who cares to look at it.

                1. re: Phood

                  The old posts have not been eliminated. Except for a few that have been lost over the years due to technical glitches, you can look back at posts as far back as 1999. Why do you think they are gone?

                  1. re: The Chowhound Team

                    There's a thread entitled "Where are the really old posts?" and folks simply presume that such a thing must mean really old posts are gone.

                    1. re: ccbweb

                      Ah. As that thread explains, post made before the switchover to new software (mid 2006) are not associated with usernames, so posters who have been around for longer than that won't find their posts from before that time listed on theiir My CHOW page. The posts are still there, and can be found with a search or by simply browsing through the board indexes.

                2. I haven't been on here as long as many of you, but I'm glad that Wendy's pays money so we don't have to. Usually, wherever there is a Wendy's, there is a BK across the street and a McDonald's next door. Whenever I absolutely have to grab something at a drive through (it happens), I'm going to make sure that I go to Wendy's.

                  I don't particularly like them any better, but I do at least appreciate them.

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                  1. re: Clarkafella

                    "I'm glad that Wendy's pays money so we don't have to." Agreed.

                    1. re: MMRuth

                      Having gone through the days when the lights were about to go out on CH, and having paid on a voluntary basis for the value I got out of CH to the tune of a few hundred dollars over the years, I too thank Wendy's for their support. I think I'll go down Venice Blvd. later this morning and give my local Wendy's some business.

                    2. re: Clarkafella

                      Nicely said. Nothing is free in this world and the ads are a small inconvenience, IMO. It beats the increasingly regular "pledge drives" that used to appear before CNET came along.

                      Remember these?

                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/227020

                      1. re: Chris VR

                        I bought a chowhound t-shirt a few years ago. I didn't mind supporting the website.

                        1. re: redbecca

                          I've got one too, but I think people who supported the site were in the minority... judging by the increasing desperation of Jim's please in those days. I just don't think it's possible to run a large, high-volume site without ads these days. Something has to pay the bills.

                        2. re: Chris VR

                          I don't find the ads inconvenient.

                          DT

                          1. re: Chris VR

                            A t-shirt, a fridge magnet, and one of those funky triangular 3-level knife sharpener thingies from some old guy who made them and only sold them on CH, IIRC. The t-shirt still gets worn; the fridge magnet is still on the side of my fridge, and the knife sharpener - well - it doesn't get used as often as I should, because I've gotten a bit better with more frequent use of a steel. ;-)

                          2. re: Clarkafella

                            "...I do at least appreciate them [Wendy's]"

                            I don't know, to me it just begins to balance the scales from the days when they pulled their ads from "Ellen" because she came out of the closet.

                          3. Use Firefox as your browser and install their add-on, Adblock. Then you won't see it at all and have a more pleasant, faster browsing experience, too.

                            Easy peasy.

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                            1. re: Leepa

                              I still have to set various filters on certain ads - it doesn't take them all out. But I do like Firefox. Much faster.

                            2. What Ads?

                              Jfood looks down the center of the page. He couldn't care less about the right column.

                              Stay focussed and nothing is bothersome.

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                              1. re: jfood

                                my take exactly.

                                1. re: jfood

                                  My screen is set to almost completely block out the right hand column. My belief is, though, that the moving flash banner on the top slows down opening most pages. OTOH: I could be wrong. That can be a tad bothersome. But the no-pay-to-post is very welcome, indeed!

                                2. OP here............

                                  I guess I always do what Jfood recommended and have ignored the ads for so long that I was taken aback when I actually noticed it was a Wendy's ad. It was my opinion that an ad for that caliber of fast food chain was the antithesis of what chowhound is about. In my view it is affects the intent of original mission.

                                  Remember this? (Forgive the cut and paste):

                                  "My name is JIM LEFF and I am neither a foodie nor a gourmet. I am a chowhound.

                                  I write about restaurants for a living and I spend every waking second trying to discover slightly better muffins, which pizzerias use real cheese, and where I can find authentic Moroccan grandma food. I especially love restaurants of different nationalities; New York's so amazing; you can save plane fare by simply getting on the subway and eating a meal as authentic and soulful as you'd have Over There. I'll guide you so you know where to go, what to order, and how to act.

                                  If you, too, spend considerable amounts of energy trying to make every bite count, if you'd grow weak from hunger rather than eat something less than delicious, this place is for you. Let's talk. Let's swap tips. Check out all the good info on the following pages (click below to get to the meat & potatoes).

                                  And if you're less food-obsessed than the rest of us, but have a yen for egg creams, gazpacho, or Quisp Cereal, come on in and let the resident chowhounds guide you to the best stuff. If I don't know the answer, someone else will.

                                  Everyone has one in his or her life: the brother-in-law with a collection of 800 takeout menus, the coworker who's always late from lunch because she HAD to trek to one end of town for the best soup and to the other for the best sandwich. Chowhounds know where the good stuff is, and they never settle for less than optimal deliciousness, whether dining in splanky splendor or grabbing a quick slice of pizza. They are the one in ten who live to eat.

                                  We're not talking about foodies. Foodies eat where they're told; they eagerly follow trends and rarely go where Zagat hasn't gone before. Chowhounds, on the other hand, blaze trails, combing gleefully through neighborhoods for hidden culinary treasure. They despise hype, and while they appreciate refined ambiance and service, they can't be fooled by mere flash."

                                  And especially this:

                                  "Ethics Statement

                                  I guard my anonymity and I cannot be bought. I always pay my own tab, and this site will never contain food advertising. May I eat nothing but Wendy's for the rest of my life if I ever offer less than purely objective chow advice."

                                  I've been poster here since 2000-2001.............way before the CNET purchase (which I have always thought as a good thing).Everything changes.........I am not one of those who say "if it were only like "yesteryear" ". I am not opposed to advertising in general, but it would be nice to choose the advertisers with some "chow-tegrity" .

                                  ENOUGH CHAT; CLICK BELOW TO...
                                  CUT TO THE CHOW!!!

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                                  1. re: MSK

                                    lol evidently the wendy's marketing wonks didn't read the ethics statement-- or to be cynical, i could snarkily add: "why would they?!?"

                                    1. re: MSK

                                      MSK, all that statement says to me is, we usually grow wiser after high school.

                                      The CH of days gone by has changed and many of us are STILL here enjoying the discussion. We can all find "what use to be" in the archives. I enjoy a free site. History is fun to reflect on but you can't live in the (online) past.

                                      Cut to the chow....still stands :)

                                      1. re: HillJ

                                        Again, it's not about ads or no ads....just the choice of staying true to the mission and being selective as to what the ads are. Mastercard, Westin, Glade scented oil candles, CBS' new fall line up.......bring it on!

                                        I just don't think Wendy's belongs on a site who's emphasis is the craft of food.

                                        Fund raising is always tricky. But even non-profits, political campaigns, etc. are selective in where they accept their funding. Health publications don't accept advertisements from tobacco companies. Etc., etc..........

                                        Not a big deal....I don't loose sleep over it......it's just a disappointing decision and in my view, lacks integrity.

                                        1. re: MSK

                                          "Fund raising is always tricky. But even non-profits, political campaigns, etc. are selective in where they accept their funding. Health publications don't accept advertisements from tobacco companies. Etc., etc.........."

                                          While this is true, there are times when you take what you can get. If there's a line up of people looking to pay good money to advertise, then you can pick and choose. With the economy the way it is, maybe they had to take what they could get.

                                          Secondly, Wendy's is only quasi anti chowhoundish. A health magazine can't allow an advertiser who's product is unhealthy any more than Vegan Monthly can allow the Texas Beef Council to advertise in their magazine.

                                          I don't hate Wendy's food and in fact, I think it has it's place. When I'm on the road, places like this offer clean washrooms and reasonably consistent food. I'd rather stop at Wendy's and have one of their burgers than hunt down a mom and pop gourmet burger shop only to be disappointed with a lousy product. All the time wasting an hour of travel time.

                                          Until this thread came up, I had never noticed they were advertising. I'm glad someone is stepping up so I don't have to. For that, I don't feel I have the right to be picky either.

                                          DT

                                          1. re: MSK

                                            Shrug, I find Glade ads much more offensive. I can choose to ignore going to Wendy's and I'd imagine most people on this site wouldn't go. But I hate the sickly artificial smell of Glade and I can see people here being pursuaded to try it. Then I go to dinner with someone who uses the candle and I don't enjoy my meal as much.

                                            So for me, Wendy's ad over Glade.

                                            1. re: Jase

                                              oh god, I had a co-worker once who would surreptiously put up scent strips around the parts of the office he didn't even work in

                                              ok, almost went into an OT rant, but thought better.

                                              banners are so easy to ignore.

                                          2. re: HillJ

                                            the question really begged is: does the advertiser truly think this is the best venue? hell, pay me enough and I'll wear Hardee's or DQ Brazier t-shirts every Thursday.

                                            income is income, it always confuses me when an unrelated TV channel advertises on another. it's just business.

                                            1. re: hill food

                                              i agree with MSK. It's about more than the use of advertising, but the chowhound mission. Given Jim's early proclamation, I also think it's pretty scandalous that a conversation about where to find celebrities has been allowed to stay on the Manhattan board instead of being moved to "not about food." The line between "chowhound" and "foodie" has always been subjective, but esp. on the Manhattan board, there is a lot less info on unusual and out of the way places and much more attention to the usual suspects and trendy places (check the milk bar thread, for example) I wonder if that isn't about the changes in the culture of Manhattan brought about by the real-estate empire.

                                              1. re: redbecca

                                                All of the responses to this specific OP reflect the Chowhound community of today. Varying interests, demographics, generations, experience and whether we're discussing the inclusion of banner ads, the change in direction, or the growth of the site it's CHANGE. CH's usually have colorful opinions, myself included, in any change to site layout, food topics and overall moderation.

                                                What have we become? Fairly consistant about pointing out change.