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Is there a better sandwich place than Bay Cities???

Recently I have become obsessed with eating at Bay Cities. I live in Miracle Mile and I drive out there about 1x a week to get a sandwich. I am personally in love with their Chicken Parm and Eggplant Parm (Thursday Special). I know they have the cold sandwiches, but I prefer the hot ones there. I've gone to a bunch of sandwich shops and just haven't found one that compares to the hot or cold sandwiches. Today I went with a friend to Tamarind Deli, which was good (the briscuit wasn't ready when I got there at 12:30pm) so we split the Cappocolo and the Sopressata sandiwches. They were good, but not even close to Bay Cities. I've had a few of the sandwiches at Larchmont Wine & Cheese and still not Bay Cities. I know La Brea Bakery is close, but I had a sandwich there that I was not impressed with.

This weekend I will be going to Venice Beach Wines (motsly because it sounds interesting), but I simply cannot find a place that has the quality of sandwich and especially the amazing bread that bay Cities does.

Any thoughts?

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  1. I actually really like Joan's on Third. It's, IMO, a bit more restrained.

    1. I prefer Victor Junior's in Culver City to Bay Cities when it comes to an Italian Sub. I get mine with double meat...haven't tried the hot subs at Victor Junior's but I am told they are very good.

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      1. re: Moose

        I live in SM and work in the miracle mile. I like La Brea's hot sandwiches a lot--tuna melt, ham and cheese, autostrada.
        Larchmont Wine & Cheese has good sandwiches, but their baguettes lack any flavour.
        I like Joan's as well--their turkey meatloaf is very good. I don't think much of MILK's sandwiches.
        Try the sliced beef on a roll from Phillip's BBQ at Crenshaw and Adams.
        Clementine in Century City has delicious sandwiches as well.

        1. re: Moose

          while they do have some interesting italian products like dop san marzano tomatoes and good dried pasta, the prepared selections are no better then an average long island deli and the "fresh" bread tastes liked it was made by the a & p.

          1. re: josh L

            The bread is so fresh it's often still warm. Really, your hyperbole is just ridiculous.

            1. re: a_and_w

              it may be fresh and warm but it is lousy machine made bread. instead of attacking me, i reccomend you spend a little time trying artisanal bread, stuff you can't find in los angeles. next time you are in new york, head straight to the sullivan street bakery. then tell me what i have to say is "hyperbole."

              1. re: josh L

                I think you mean Grandaisy, but whatever. Either way, it's a totally different beast from the fresh and tasty sandwich bread at Bay Cities -- you are comparing apples with oranges.

                By the way, instead of making gross generalizations based on a mere six months of living in LA, why don't you be specific about which places you've tried. For example, have you tried my recommendation of Amandine?

                1. re: josh L

                  My experience with Bay Cities bread has been a disappointment, as well. I recently picked up two wonderfully warm loaves. Sadly, the bread was far too dense and chewy, with no lightness to it. However, I'm guessing many people like their bread made in this dense style. I find it tough to eat. I like the aroma of Bay Cities bread, though.

                  I recently bought a loaf of lovely Italian bread from a restaurant in Culver City called Ugo. I slipped into Ugo out of sheer horror a the size of the line at Tender Greens. Had a salad at Ugo with the Italian bread. Fell in love with its texture and flavor and asked if they would sell me a loaf. Since they don't sell their bread as a rule, it came to my table oddly wrapped but so warm, just out of the oven. I served it that evening with lentil soup and wild mushroom angnolotti with seared scallops in lemon burnt butter sauce. So comforting.

          2. I'm also a big fan of Bay Cities. Nobody has rolls like theirs -- a good bite and real texture without sawing up the top of your mouth. They also sell them at a very reasonable price, but damn, they get hard and old in a blink. While most of their deli meat is pretty standard (I believe they use Boars Head) I really like their hot and mild pepper relish, and the counter people always seem to get the special orders correct. I also think their hot side is very underrated -- love the meatballs, and their daily hot specials are a generous meal for about $8. I don't even mind the wait on the cold side when it is crowded -- I like looking everything over -- though the parking lot can become pretty vicious.

            I also recommend Victor Jr.'s, which is on the north side of Washington in Culver City across from the big studio. Really good eggplant parm, chopped Italian salads, and subs. Their rolls are much softer and lighter, but still good. Meatballs are smaller and denser than Bay Cities, and their cheesesteak is much more a roast beef hoagie than a Philly-style sandwich. Friendly people and good place.

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            1. re: nosh

              "I'm also a big fan of Bay Cities. Nobody has rolls like theirs -- a good bite and real texture without sawing up the top of your mouth. They also sell them at a very reasonable price, but damn, they get hard and old in a blink."

              So true...there's a loaf growing stale atop my refrigerator as we speak!

              1. re: a_and_w

                i always buy two loaves. one is eaten within hours. the second i cut & put in an air-tight freezer bag so i have bcdeli bread any time i like. of course it's best fresh but this beats wasting it!

                1. re: dotrat

                  Great suggestion -- thanks for the tip!

              2. re: nosh

                i like the hot side of the deli too. we typically get godmothers for lunch & then stock up on pot roast, meatballs, mac n cheese and/or chicken parm for later in the day or the following day. also, their frozen eggplant parm is fantastic! i don't care for their frozen lasagna at all sadly.

                1. re: nosh

                  Nosh, I just went to Victor Jr's and I wanted to ask you if you thought it was good because it was close to where you are or good as in you would drive 2-3 (or maybe more) miles to go there? I enjoyed it, but didn't think it was anything more special than being a good place in a very busy area.

                  And Dommy, I had the eggplant parm at Vito's and also a slice while I was waiting...very good! I will definitely go back for the eggplant parm.

                  1. re: sarcasmsk

                    I feel the same way about Victor's sandwiches. I live nearby and still would prefer to go elsewhere in town for a sandwich, or make the drive to Vitos or Bay Cities if I wanted a particular Italian Sub...

                    That being said... Victors has an AMAZING chopped salad... I DO return for that! :D

                    --Dommy!

                  2. re: nosh

                    All About the Bread on Melrose/La Brea has rolls that are just like Bay Cities.

                  3. langers, but it's a one shot wonder :)

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                    1. re: ns1

                      Langers: one shot wonder, one trick pony... but oh what a shot, what a trick. I agree with your post and I love Langers.

                    2. For Italian subs west of the 405, I doubt you'll find better than Bay Cities. I'm partial to Pinocchio's in Burbank, but mostly because it's a lot closer for me ... if I lived in Santa Monica it'd be Bay Cities for sure ...

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                      Pinocchio Restaurant & Monte Carlo Italian Deli
                      3103 W Magnolia Blvd, Burbank, CA 91505

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                      1. re: maxzook

                        as an eastsider who craves bay cities if i don't get it enough should i try hot or cold sandwiches from pinocchio's? i'm partial to cold but will do hot if they do that better.

                        1. re: lucygoosey

                          I totally dig Bay Cites, but I too live on the East Side. So my fav place on this side of town is Mario's Italian Deli in Glendale. They have a combo sandwich that is comparable to the Godmother and is very good in a pinch.

                          I also like the Pasadena Sandwich Company. When I can't get to Langer's for a Pastrami, I go here. The owner is really nice and he makes a great sandwich.

                          Never been to Billy's in Glendale, is it any good?

                          1. re: Rheux

                            I like Billy's, it's *very* "old-school" Jewish deli fare -- menu very similar to Canter's but a notch or two better. It ain't Langer's or even Junior's, but it's worth a visit.

                            I tend to forget about Mario's -- it's in a direction I seldom travel towards. For sandwiches it's about on par with Pinocchio, but I'd probably prefer Pinocchio/Monte Carlo* for groceries and hot dishes.

                            As I said, if I lived west of the 405 I would worship at the altar of Bay Cities and probably not bother with any other Italian deli or grocery, but Mario's, Billy's or Pinocchio/Monte Carlo are certainly more than acceptable for the area.

                            *Monte Carlo is the take-out deli/grocery, Pinocchio is the coterminous sit-down restaurant.

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                            Pinocchio Restaurant & Monte Carlo Italian Deli
                            3103 W Magnolia Blvd, Burbank, CA 91505

                            1. re: Rheux

                              link

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                              Pinocchio Restaurant & Monte Carlo Italian Deli
                              3103 W Magnolia Blvd, Burbank, CA 91505

                              1. re: Rheux

                                The house-roasted pork at Mario's is a great sandwich-- get it hot! They also make a swell caprese.

                          2. In San Pedro, I am a big fan of the torpedos at A-1 Import Grocers. Good soft fresh bread, quality meat, crisp lettuce, tomato, and no mayonnaise (which has no business in an Italian sub)

                            For hot sandwiches in San Pedro, I like Big Nick's. Their meatball and sausage sandwiches are excellent

                            1. No, Bay Cities is best. The bread, the bread, the bread. And the chx parm is my favorite, as well.

                              1. I used to be obsessed with Bay Cities and the Godmother. Luckily I worked near the Water Garden so it wasn't too far away. After I moved offices to West Hollywood and down the street from Joans, I was truly hoping Joans could replace my beloved Bay Cities but alas no. I miss everything about Bay Cities including the limited parking, the rude customer service, the extremely long lines but most of all, that BREAD! I think the bread makes that sandwich and I have not found Italian bread anywhere else like that.

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                                1. re: ExtraCheesePlease

                                  my local met food in brooklyn made bread better then bay cities. it's machine made wonder bread in an italian loaf. in six months, i have not found ANY decent bread in los angeles.

                                  1. re: josh L

                                    Total nonsense. And, if you haven't found decent bread in LA, you aren't looking hard enough. Try Amandine Patissiere on Wilshire.

                                    1. re: a_and_w

                                      Or for more variety BreadBar is EXCELLENT! World class quality selection of breads and some yummy sandwiches as well.

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                                      Breadbar Century City
                                      10250 Santa Monica Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90067

                                      BreadBar
                                      8718 W 3rd Street, Los Angeles, CA 90048

                                    2. re: josh L

                                      You are not looking hard enough. There is plenty of great bread in Los Angeles. In San Pedro we have a couple mom & pop Italian bakeries, e.g., Portofino, Europa, etc. that make great Italian loaves and rolls

                                      1. re: Ernie

                                        Actually, I find that people from East LA are pretty narrow-minded, too -- e.g., about the quality of Mexican food on the west side.

                                        1. re: a_and_w

                                          Good bread is hard to come by in these parts. Out side of Bay Cities and La Brea Bakery, there are few choices. When I was a kid living in Highland Park, we would drive by all those bakeries along San Fernando road on the way to Dodger games. My Grandpa said that the buns used for Dodger Dogs used to come from one of those bakeries. Oh, the memories. I think the old Van de Camps factory is now a LA City College campus. Things have sure changed when it comes to fresh bread. Even the commercial places in L.A. made quality product back in the day.

                                          1. re: ohdaylay

                                            Papa Cristo's makes delicious European style baguettes.

                                            Mr Taster

                                            1. re: ohdaylay

                                              Then I guess I'm lucky because I live down the street from Amandine, which has some of the best bread I've ever tasted.

                                              1. re: ohdaylay

                                                I'm not sure what kind of bread you're after, but you might search the board for existing threads on the subject. If you're after European-style breads, go where the European expats congregate. as well as gourmet stores, as well as bakeries whose roots are in the European traditions. a and w has mentioned one - Amandine - they serve up excellent breads and pastries. A few that immediately come to mind are French Market & Cafe, Market Gourmet, and 3 Square - all in Venice and all on Abbot Kinney. I think it's just a matter of knowing what you like and knowing where to find it. Good luck...

                                        2. The parking, the line at the counter...The sandwiches are worth it! Since the hot counter has no wait get a pastrami-quick and damn earth moving.

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                                          1. re: luhkee

                                            You can order either online or by fax as well. Give it a try - it's pretty easy. You pick up at the small counter that's at the opposite side of the store, by the refrigerated cases.

                                            http://www.baycitiesitaliandeli.com/

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                                            Bay Cities Italian Deli
                                            1517 Lincoln Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90401

                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                              I second the online ordering for Bay Cities. It really speeds things up. The parking is always a challenge, but it is nice to just get there, go to the back of the store, pick up your order from the bin and take it to the front to pay.

                                              1. re: BHAppeal

                                                Agreed -- on-line ordering is the way to go. Also, there's often a much shorter line at the cash-only register by the hot foods in front.

                                          2. has anyone tried venice beach wines yet?

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                                            1. re: sarcasmsk

                                              just tried it last Fri evening. Couldn't have been more enjoyable. Small, neighborly, wonderful small charcuterie/cheeses and a nice spicy lamb panini. Almost like being at a vibey house party. Terrific.

                                            2. i haven't had anything better in terms of cold sandwiches.
                                              they make a tomato basil baguette that is to die for.
                                              it's like $2.50, huge and delicious.

                                                1. re: ipsedixit

                                                  Anything in particular? The Duck Confit Sandwich sounds good to me!

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                                                  Mendocino Farms
                                                  300 S Grand Ave, Los Angeles, CA

                                                  1. re: sel

                                                    Curry Chicken is good, so is the Citrus Tuna.

                                                    Haven't yet tried the Duck Confit, although you are right, it does sound good (and rich) ... how can you go wrong with Crispy Duck Skin “Chicharrones"!

                                                    1. re: sel

                                                      I like their Kurobuta pork belly bánh mì. Pricey, totally inauthentic, but delicious

                                                      1. re: Ernie

                                                        also, no one mentioned but i really like Original Rinaldi's in el segundo.

                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                          Rinaldi's Godfather is juicy, meaty and sloppy - now THAT'S how you make a sandwich! :)

                                                        2. re: Ernie

                                                          ipsedixit,

                                                          I had the Duck Confit sandwich today and they said it was the last day they were serving it as they are changing menus. The sandwich was a good sanwich, but what was truly interesting to me was the variety of sandwiches they had. Thanks for the recommendation.

                                                          Anyone know of any sandwich places that have such extensive menus like mendocino?

                                                          1. re: sarcasmsk

                                                            Well that sucks, I went to Mendocino Farms today for the first time and asked for the Duck Confit Sandwich and they were out. Figured I'd get one next week. I got the Curry Chicken Sandwich and ipsedixit is right, one very yummy sandwich!

                                                    2. My fave:

                                                      Mario's Italian Market
                                                      740 E Broadway
                                                      Glendale, CA 91205-1150
                                                      Phone: (818) 242-4114

                                                      1. Eastside market and italian deli, get the number seven , hot roast beef and pastrami, marinara sauce with cooked peppers, provoline cheese , its worth the drive, lots of cops and city workers line up there at lunch time - always a good sign of popular restaurants. here is their website. 1013 alpine st, los angeles just west of chinatown.

                                                        http://www.esmdeli.com/hots.html

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                                                        1. re: malibumike

                                                          I second Eastside Market. THE FREAKIN BEST!!!!!!

                                                          1. re: Alx72

                                                            BE ADVISED . . . Eastside Market is CLOSED on Sundays, and I think I remember even being shut out there on a SATURDAY . . . those who cannot make it downtown during the work week should double-check before heading there on the weekend

                                                            1. re: jimmyodonnell

                                                              i third this joint. can't beat a meatball hero here. and this place feels like it's straight out of philly, doesn't feel like LA at all, and that is a compliment in this case.

                                                              1. re: kevin

                                                                I tried the meatball hero here a few years ago. The bread was squishy, the cheese was of the sliced variety and laid on top. No attempt to crisp the bread or melt the cheese was made. Think about what a huge difference Langer's steam toasting makes. It's the contrast of flavors and textures that makes for a great sandwich. Eastside's meatball hero, texturally, was a one note *squish*.

                                                                Mr Taster

                                                                1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                  Yes, it is squishy and turns to complete mush, I don't even get the cheese in the stuff because it detracts from the rest of the sandwich, i think they use provolone instead of mozzerella.

                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                    For me, a great meatball hero (which I have yet to find in LA) has the following elements:

                                                                    1. Well spiced meatballs which tend towards a firmer texture rather than those that collapse into mush when you bite into it

                                                                    2. Shredded mozarella on top with well made tomato sauce below

                                                                    3. It has been cooked in a pizza oven for a few minutes to melt (and BROWN) the mozzarella and crisp up the edges of the bread. Edges tinged towards just barely dark brown. Some places I remember from back home added some garlic butter to the bread for an extra flavor jolt. Yum.

                                                                    This builds a sandwich with many flavor and textural layers. Most of the meatball subs I've eaten in LA have the squishy fall-apart meatbals. In the case of Eastside deli, they have the squishy bread. In the case of Bay Cities, they have good bread but fall-apart meatballs.

                                                                    The only really decent meatball sub I've had out here that even remotely reminds me of home came from a funny little Asian-owned fast food joint in North Hollywood called "Quickies". Don't know if they're still there-- but I remember their meatball subs having all the elements I remember from back home.

                                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                                    Quickies Pizza & Subs
                                                                    4362 Laurel Canyon Blvd, Studio City, CA 91604

                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                      I've enjoyed the meatball sandwich at Vito's, along with the Eggplant Parm sandwich, which is his best offering. Not sure if his meatballs are fall-apart, but the bread he uses is delicate and I love his marinara sauce.

                                                                      1. re: Ogawak

                                                                        I do love Vito's pizza, and he's from the right part of the country to know how to make a great meatball sub. I should check it out.

                                                                        I should say that the thing I find most objectionable is that fall-apart meatballs tend to be mealy. It's that sort of gritty mealiness that I find must unappealing. I much prefer firmer meatballs with a bit of spring to them as the texture contrasts well with the wet sauce, gooey cheese and crispy bread.

                                                                        Mr Taster

                                                                        1. re: Ogawak

                                                                          i'll have to hit up the eggplant parm to in that case.

                                                                        2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                          Buy some of the rolls at Bay Cities, get some meatballs to go from Victor Jr's in Culver City (smaller and firmer, closed weekends) along with some mozzarella (I prefer provolone) of your choice and crisp up at home. Meatball subs don't travel well, anyway.

                                                                          1. re: nosh

                                                                            which is better the meatball sub or eggplant parm at vito's???

                                                                            also have any clue if the meatballs are beef, pork, or veal, etc?

                                                                            thanks.

                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                              A proper meatball is made with beef, pork and veal. I haven't asked Vito about his, but I would swear I taste veal and pork with the beef. I will be sure to ask him next time

                                                                              I think his eggplant parm sandwich is even better. But you must eat them on site. They don't travel well.

                                                                            2. re: nosh

                                                                              Never been to Victor Jr's.... website looks promising. The pizza looks great too, but I've never heard any raves about it on these boards, which makes me suspect. Anyone?

                                                                              http://www.victorjrs.com/

                                                                              Mr Taster

                                                                              1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                I first found out about Victor Jr.'s on this board, and I have been among several that have posted about it and recommended it. It is on the north side of Washington, directly across from the big studio, with street parking in front and some public parking just to the east. Very friendly people. Order at the counter, a few tables in front on their patio. Their rolls are much softer than Bay Cities, no real crunch. As I said, the meatballs are smaller and firmer. They do a really good eggplant parm, and I also really liked their chopped Italian salad. Their sign highlights a Philly cheesesteak, but it is more like a hot roast beef sub -- the meat is a little thicker and not shaved, grilled and seared like a true one, but still tasty -- just not a Philly cheesesteak in my experience. The pizzas have looked great as I've seen them go by, a bit on the thick side and loaded, but I haven't tasted them. A small business, so they remain closed on weekends even though they could probably do good business. Worth checking out, especially when it is nice and warm enough to enjoy eating right outside.

                                                                              2. re: nosh

                                                                                Or try rolls from Bay Cities and some meatballs from Al Gelato and some Polly O. (I wonder what would happen if you put burrata on your meatball sandwich?

                                                                              3. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                Polly O mozzerella would be great and a touch of parmigiano reggiano.

                                                                                i do really like do like Eastside Deli but you are correct the bread is just not that great.

                                                                                Do you remember if Quickies is made of beef pork or veal and at quickie's do they serve it with good mozzerella and good bread too. thanks.

                                                                                also, i just remembered they make a good meatball sub at Original Rinaldi's along quaint Main Street, hard by the fire station in downtown El Segundo.

                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                  Yes yes yes, absolutely to the Polly O. I can't stand the cheap supermarket mozzarella which tastes awfully bitter.

                                                                                  Incidentally, I was reading Cooks Illustrated which often rates various ingredients by their staff chefs and tasting panel (they are sort of an epicurean Consumer Reports.) During their review of "supermarket mozzarella", they gave top ranks to a brand called "Dragone" (whole milk version), which rated higher than Polly O (whose skim milk version they rated higher than their whole). I looked and looked for Dragone but couldn't find it. A little internet research turned up that the parent company, "Saputo", produces Frigo mozarella, which is Ralphs-ubiquitous (next to the "Precious" brand). I popped for a ball of it, and it was not bad-- firm and mild. I do prefer Polly-O's softer, creamier, and slightly sweeter version.

                                                                                  Mr Taster

                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                    I have wanted to try Rinaldi's for years. But the first time I went looking for it, I got distracted by Big Mike's, and ever since then I can't pass up the best Philly cheesesteak left on the westside and their outstanding light-battered onion rings, with the clincher being their easy free parking.

                                                                                  2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                    I can suggest Big Mikes in Hermosa Beach for Philly Cheesesteak's and meatball subs.

                                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                      And for me, none of that matters nearly as much as properly built Italian meatballs, because with those, you can boil some pasta, if necessary, and forget about the bread, the browning of the cheese, the garlic butter ... well, wait a minute, let me not go running on too much.

                                                                                      You don't like meatballs that fall apart? It's trivial to keep them from falling apart. Just add too many eggs to the mixture, and cook no more than an hour or so. You'll then have the dense, heavy meatballs with uninteresting flavor that I find all over Los Angeles.

                                                                                      It's a gift from Heaven, however, that doing it right isn't much harder. Use a proper mixture of ground beef, Italian sausage, and ground veal, season wisely, and simmer very slowly in tomato sauce until the meatballs are tasty and tender (at least three or four hours -- I've managed six or seven by putting the pot on a flame-tamer) but not falling apart.

                                                                                      Served hot on a good, crusty roll with piquant cheese -- aged Italian provolone, e.g. -- and a fine tomato sauce, they're fantastically satisfying. Served sliced, the next day, at just below room temperature on top-quality bread, with a creamy fontina, and they're sublime.

                                                                                      My point is, nothing about making and serving good meatballs should be hard for a professional kitchen. The question is determination. Don't these Los Angeles places want to make no money, as my cousin Vito would say?

                                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                        i went here about a year back or so, but wasn't impressed.

                                                                                        if you do go again, please report back.

                                                                                        thanks.

                                                                              4. re: Alx72

                                                                                just checked the website, they're open until 2pm on sat. guess where i'm at tomorrow for lunch.

                                                                                1. re: kevin

                                                                                  I like the DA Special get it as a plate. it's a container full of roast beef, pastrami, meatball, italian sausage, peppers, provolone cheese, & tomato sauce.....

                                                                                  1. re: Skunk2Racer

                                                                                    yep, the da special. after that how in the hell can you get back to court and prosecute. it sure beats me.

                                                                                    the meatball hero seems like a crustless egg salad tea sandwich in comparison.

                                                                            3. I LOVE baycities... but when it comes to Eggplant Parm Sandwiches... Vitos on La Cienega near Santa Monica is the best!

                                                                              --Dommy!

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                                                                              846 N La Cienega Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90069

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                                                                              1. re: Dommy

                                                                                Don't know why Vito's sandwiches don't get more love here, although whenever I make it out there, I lust after his pizza slices more. Also the meatball is outstanding. Your post put a thought in my head to order the eggplant parm.

                                                                              2. It's not better than Bay Cities but I'd give a honorable mention to Dolce Isola. I had a caprese there the other day which had some of the best, freshest bread I think I've ever had. It's topped Larchmont Wine & Cheese which used to be my go-to stop for sandwiches.

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                                                                                1. re: Discokill

                                                                                  has anyone else tried Venice Beach Wines, for their sandwiches, it does sound really interesting.

                                                                                2. Went to Bay cities the other day for the first time. What a nightmare. It was so ridiculously over the top crowded, like way past fire code crowded. Buying a sandwich wasn't even an option. I got some bread and meandered around the sundries. Everything is so overpriced!

                                                                                  Really, I just don't get this place. The deli is decent, but they carry the same Boar's Head meats at Ralph's and just about every other deli in the continental US. It just seems like a glitzy, sanitized hollywood version of an east coast deli. If there was any competition Bay Cities would just wither away. It doesn't reflect well on our fair city.

                                                                                  The bread, to be sure, is pretty good. And cheap.

                                                                                  I don't mean to sound bitter. Bay Cities just strikes a nerve.

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                                                                                  1. re: posh

                                                                                    Did you notice this post upstream a bit from yours? If not read and take note.

                                                                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/5737...

                                                                                    1. re: posh

                                                                                      Now that you've seen the hysteria firsthand but still want to chow on their sandwiches, you might consider this suggestion that I and many before me have made:

                                                                                      "You can order either online or by fax as well. Give it a try - it's pretty easy. You pick up at the small counter that's at the opposite side of the store, by the refrigerated cases."

                                                                                      http://www.baycitiesitaliandeli.com/

                                                                                      Poster Kevin mentioned this place upthread:

                                                                                      "also, no one mentioned but i really like Original Rinaldi's in el segundo."

                                                                                      I heartily concurred:

                                                                                      "Rinaldi's Godfather is juicy, meaty and sloppy - now THAT'S how you make a sandwich! :)"

                                                                                      Honestly, I think the Original Rinaldi's is just as good - apples & oranges in comparison - and far too generous on the meats and portions. No fistfights in the parking lot (park on Holly, by the post office), no drama in the deli aisle, and the prices are more than fair. No store - just an old deli with lots of tables and a big screen. Get the 10-inch sub (usually around $8 for most choices) and either share it with another or ask them to wrap one of the halves to go when you order. If by chance you comfortably finish one of their 10-inchers, you're my hero...

                                                                                      1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                        Here's the deal. People for some reason or another believe Bay Cities to be an authentic east-coast style deli, they also love the signature bread here (the bread at Original Rinaldi's or other joints across town is just not that great). and the hot pepper salad spread. so here goes, the Bay Cities is located int fashionable Santa Monica (most people probably feel like they are slumming it when they come here), has that pepper salad spread, and their own unique bread, if it didn't have either of those bay cities would really be nothing special. Since others have reported, and I for myself know for a fact, they do serve boar's head meats.

                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                          It's not like the Boar's Head is a secret -- there are signs around the store advertising this fact. I'm with you, though, that this is not really like an east-coast Italian deli.

                                                                                          1. re: a_and_w

                                                                                            may bad that didn't sound correct as written. yes, there are all the boars heads signs on all the meats.

                                                                                            although if you do get a bresaola sandwich, that is definitely not boars heads nor is the prosciutto de parma.

                                                                                          2. re: kevin

                                                                                            I wouldn't know the difference between an "authentic" East Coast deli and Bay Cities since I've only been to the later and not the former. To me, whether they misrepresent such a notion isn't an issue with me - I just don't get why anything has to be better or worse than what New York seems to have set the bar for in the first place, e.g., a real slice from Brooklyn - non sequitur. I don't expect what New York does the best to be replicated here - that is why it is the best there, if that makes sense. Likewise, I don't expect to have an Indian Summer in February while standing in the middle of Central Park - that is what LA does best.

                                                                                            The relative strengths and weaknesses of Bay Cities and Original Rinaldi's seem to complement each other. They both do Boar's Head - probably the one of the most respectable of the non-artisan deli meats. Yes, Bay Cities has better rolls and their signature pepper salad spread adds a nice layer of flavor, but the staff there leaves me cold. I thought I was doing them the favor by being there, but one would never know. Rinaldi's just has a lot more interesting combinations for my palate, they are far from shy in the generosity department and they seem to appreciate their customers' business.

                                                                                            Outside of a few moments of calm here and there, Bay Cities is the kind of place that leaves me frazzled even if I order online. Crowds are one thing, but the kind of crowds at Bay Cities is another. I've been going there since the early 70s and have seen the level of common courtesy and consideration devolve into something just short of violent anarchy. I need about five minutes to let the adrenaline drain from my system before I start eating that hard-earned sandwich. I don't even try to eat there anymore. Fighting (literally) for parking is bad enough. I once had a mid-life crisis type equipped with the perfect fake tan and his ragtop vette try to chase me out of a parking spot that he claimed was his by the fact that he was waiting in the parking lot before I was - all the way at the at the opposite end. The presence of my son saved Tan Man. Wedging through the crowds in the store is worse. But having some meat-heads snake my table outside just as I'm setting down my bag and drinks with my kids is too far. - that is just too bold.

                                                                                            At Rinaldi's, I can enjoy the quiet and calm of downtown El Segundo, easily score a parking spot by the post office, and even when Rinaldi's is crowded, the general South Bay charm and laid back attitude of almost everyone there makes it almost a pleasure to wait in line. It usually goes something like this: "You first." "No, you got here before we did - you go ahead." "That's okay - you have kids with you - I bet they're really hungry - you go ahead." I think the last time I experienced anything like this at Bay Cities was when housing prices in Santa Monica were almost as modest as their residents...

                                                                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                              "... and have seen the level of common courtesy and consideration devolve into something just short of violent anarchy."

                                                                                              Hey, I thought you weren't going to talk about what NY does better! ;-D

                                                                                              I will brave the crowds at Bay Cities for two reasons. The food and the location. I try and go at off hours if at all possible, and if I can't go then, I think long and hard about how much I want that sandwich at that very moment in time.

                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                Ditto on choice of hours. My last visit there was during "happy hour" on a wednesday - online order...

                                                                                                "...Hey, I thought you weren't going to talk about what NY does better! ;-D"

                                                                                                I didn't want to go there, but the Tan Boy couldn't pronounce his r's or u's when he called me all those flowery names that seem to roll right off of an ex-Appler's tongue...

                                                                                              2. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                It's just about managing peoples' expectations. Neither style is intrinsically superior, but people expect certain things based on what they grew up eating. Like I said above, I looked in vain for a place like Bay Cities while living in NYC (and DC, CT, and MA LOL!). Italian delis are just different out there.

                                                                                                1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                  Very delicious reply. Thank you. Makes me almost consider venturing to Rinaldi's!

                                                                                            2. re: posh

                                                                                              posh, I felt EXACTLY the same way (i.e., all that agita for Boar's Head?!) until I figured out the trick of on-line ordering and the cash-only line.

                                                                                              Also, to clarify, Bay Cities is nothing like any deli I ever found in over a decade of living up and down the east coast. (And believe me, I looked...) West coast Italian delis like Bay Cities in LA and Genova in the Bay Area are thoroughly Californian.

                                                                                              1. re: a_and_w

                                                                                                a&W, I see you are a fan of BCD. I have just moved from SM to Miami and am in desperate need for a Godmother. Do you have any idea where I might find a recipe for a BCD sandwich roll? If not, a picture would be great so I can post it around my other baking websites.

                                                                                              2. re: posh

                                                                                                I don't get Bay Cities either. The bread shreds the roof of my mouth and the meat is nothing special. I LOVE the baguette sandwiches at the French Market Cafe on Abbot Kinney.

                                                                                                1. re: hrhboo

                                                                                                  French Market Cafe's sandwiches are great, and their baguettes, while not a few coins that Bay Cities' rolls are, are fantastic as well. To be honest though, the roof of my mouth seems to get shredded by their sandwiches too. I've always relegated this to be part and parcel of enjoying a really good hunk of bread, or maybe I need to be a little more gentle...

                                                                                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                    has anyone been to venice beach wines for the sandwiches, it sounds really interesting? but alas i haven't gotten there yet.

                                                                                                    1. re: kevin

                                                                                                      It's lovely, just lovely. I've been hesitant to recommend it here because it's so tiny and I love going there! I can't comment on the sandwiches but I've tried most of the small plates and find them delicious and reasonably priced.

                                                                                                      1. re: hrhboo

                                                                                                        i was gonna ask about the sandwiches especially, is it worth a trip for the food alone, or is it first and foremost a wine bar and charcuteria and sandwiches and all secondary.

                                                                                              3. I enjoy Bay Cities too. Once in a blue moon, I get a killer craving for a Godmother.

                                                                                                For a change of pace, if you're ever in the area I highly recommend Artisan Cheese Gallery.
                                                                                                http://www.artisancheesegallery.com/
                                                                                                I've tried a few of their sandwiches, but am partial to the duck confit.

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                                                                                                1. re: Faulkner99

                                                                                                  Second Artisan Cheese Gallery for a change in pace. I am addicted to the pickles. Off topic, but does anyone know where I can find Tony Packos pickles more central to LA, or a comparable pickle?

                                                                                                  1. re: LaLa Eat

                                                                                                    can you get the duck confit without cheese and aioli on it.

                                                                                                  2. re: Faulkner99

                                                                                                    I've tried the duck confit sandwich at Artisan Cheese Gallery, and I find it lacking. It needs a fresh green of some sort, like arugula. And the confit seems underconfited, like it's duck that's been roasted but not truly allowed to sit in its own fat for a while. I also had the Porchetta sandwich there, and found it less than amazing. Maybe I'll try this bbp there someone lauded.

                                                                                                    1. re: Rosiepigs

                                                                                                      what do you mean by "underconfited"/

                                                                                                    1. There is a better sandwich: Tortas Mexico in Pasadena which, in my opinion, just flat our rules the West and makes me proud to live here, take my New Jersey friends there, and watch their eyes roll back in their heads from delicious bliss as they try the chile relleno torta or the cubana. Or both.

                                                                                                      But Tortas aren't Italian deli style subs, and that's what you mean, right, when you want a better sandwich than Bay Cities? Well in that case - I have been looking for years for a better Italian but haven't found it. And that's not from lack of looking. Same goes for po' boys - I think unfortunately that was decided on another thread.

                                                                                                      I think people keep looking because no one yet in town has managed a sandwich that can hold a candle to any decent CT, MA, NY, NJ Italian Sandwich. I'd rather not argue about it because what's the point? I'n not anti Bay Cities by any means - I worked at 969 Colorado around the corner for four years and ate their sandwiches, both hot and cold, at least twice a month. They are very good and I like them and now that I'm writing this I'm craving one of their meatball subs - their marinara is highly respectable, and the meatballs are tasty. But for me, I have two things that keep me looking elsewhere. My first and biggest complaint is Bay Cites puts yellow mustard on their Godmother "Italian" sandwich. Please: yellow Mustard. On an ITALIAN sandwich. NO SUBSTITUTIONS. And the bread everyone seems to love is kind of ridiculous - waay to tough - it's leathery, not chewy, and it ensures that you squish the sandwich to death and the guts will go everywhere. It isn't anywhere near the chewy/tender bread on a real east coast sub, grinder, or sand. Don't even mention the bread at White House Subs in Atlantic City, NJ - you'll make me start to cry. Every region has great local sandwiches - I love muffalata's and po-boys and go nuts whenever I'm in New Orleans. But since I live here - I eat at Bay Cities and enjoy it - especially when I get back in my car and don't have to use a de-icer to open the lock. But if you really want a great local L.A.-made sandwich you'll be proud to say is from your town and that you CAN'T get in New Orleans, LA or Groton, CT - try Tortas Mexico in Pasadena. :-)

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                                                                                                      1. re: Pigeage

                                                                                                        You're confusing your preferences with quality. I looked in vain for subs like Bay Cities during the 15 years I lived back east (CT, MA, NYC). It's just a different style out here -- one I actually prefer to east coast subs. BTW, you can get the any sub at Bay Cities with dijon -- or no mustard at all.

                                                                                                        PS: I strongly prefer the bread at Bay Cities to most of the grinder, hoagie, sub bread I tried back east.

                                                                                                        1. re: a_and_w

                                                                                                          OK - thanks for sharing your opinion - mine remains that the bread at Bay Cities, while tasty (try their tomato loaf - hot out of their ovens I eat it plain!) turns soggy, messy, and is overly chewy - which makes a bunch of Chowhounders (like me) wonder where we can find a better sandwich. And yes, I am aware of my condiment options when ordering a sandwich - that doesn't change the fact that the Godmother, an "Italian" sandwich, comes dressed with mustard at Bay Cities. I have a hard time agreeing with you that this should be defended as a "different style" and not an inauthentic attempt at an Italian sub - why else the name? :-)

                                                                                                          1. re: Pigeage

                                                                                                            I'm not following you. All subs, including the Godmother, come UNDRESSED by default. Are you suggesting Bay Cities should prohibit people from adding mustard? I have problems with that because I prefer mustard on my subs.

                                                                                                            I think you're getting hung up on notions of authenticity. The Godmother is "Italian" only in the sense that the cold cuts are Italian. It no more resembles what you would get in Italy than the Po' Boy does what you would get in New Orleans.

                                                                                                            BTW, thanks for the tip re the tomato loaf. Is that in back like the loaves of regular bread?

                                                                                                      2. I agree about Bay Cities being a little overrated. But, I still like their Godmother, but it's not an "eye-opening" sandwich, just a good italian sandwich. It is true, there aren't many east coast type delis out here, but it's what we have to make do with. I think Genova's in Oakland is better though (the Bay Area has much better Italian food).

                                                                                                        Lastly, I would like to point out Clementine's. I've only had their Turkey Caliente sandwich, because it was so good the first time, I had to get it again! I'm sure they also have other good sandwiches. My one complaint about them is they seem a little pricey - ~$11 for a sandwich.

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                                                                                                        1. re: mdpilam

                                                                                                          I agree with you re Genova, which is my gold standard. But Genova is much closer to Bay Cities than an east coast Italian deli.

                                                                                                          1. I third artisan cheese on ventua, they have a special (the bbp) with burrata, bruschetta and pancetta, so good. Giamela's is los feliz makes a mean eye-talian sandwich
                                                                                                            I honestly wasn't that impressed by bay cities, between being crazily soup nazi hectic and the fact that by the time i paid and got to eat the sub was soggy. Over all it is no doubt a kickass deli but to grab a sandwich on the run, meh.
                                                                                                            Also great bread at Santino's Pizza in Sherman oaks.

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                                                                                                            4319 Woodman Ave, Sherman Oaks, CA 91423

                                                                                                            1. Quite simply, no. The bread, the meats, the love and care, the unavoidable stare-downs in the parking lot, it's all too good. I remember faxing in orders in high school and speeding up Lincoln to get our sandwiches in time to make it to class.... it's as good today as it was back then.

                                                                                                              I've probably eaten more bay cities sandwiches than any other food from any other establishment....

                                                                                                              1. I think Bay Cities is the best -I usually get the cold sandwiches with the "works" they are simply addictive.

                                                                                                                1. I still love Bay Cities the best despite trying other places such as Victor J's and Sorrento's in Culver City. I still haven't found a deli that has comparable bread to that of Bay Cities.... however, if you want to try a Vietnamese sandwich...nobody beats Lee's sandwiches (they make other American sandwiches too but their bread is so light on the inside and crispy on the outside I buy 5-6 loaves everytime and just keep them in the freezer since the closest one to the westside is in San Gabriel Valley).

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                                                                                                                  1. re: kushnerom

                                                                                                                    If you think Lee's serve the best banh mi, you've not been around Little Saigon much (or even Alhambra...)

                                                                                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                                                                                  2. Bay cities is good for their hot sandwiches. But, I can do w/out their cold Boars Head sandwich. Boars Head has got to be the worst product loaded w/ nitrates. The only cold sandwich @ bays for me would be their imported Parma. You should check out Hardys Meats on Coldwater and Moorpark in the Valley. Fresh roasted meats(hot/cold) on a nice roll. Check it out.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: Chez Coop

                                                                                                                      I don't share your preferences for the hot sandwiches with the exception of the meatball. But I totally agree that they should use better quality coldcuts than Boar's Head. I'm always so thirsty after a sandwich there.

                                                                                                                      1. re: a_and_w

                                                                                                                        People seem to be praising the Boar's Head at Bay Cities the way that Apple Pan punters praise the Tillamook.

                                                                                                                        Mr Taster

                                                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                          Talk about "damning with faint praise"....

                                                                                                                          1. re: Briggs

                                                                                                                            you are so right. but then again i'd rather have Tillamook cheddar at the pan than possibly anywhere else, i could even go for a couple slices of the cheddar and the rest of the fixin's bun and hickory sauce and i'd be good to go, although i'd also be considerably fleeced in my own treasury dept.

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                                                                                                                      2. re: Chez Coop

                                                                                                                        completely concur with Chez Coop about boar's head.
                                                                                                                        better cold cuts can be found at whole foods which uses applegate farms.

                                                                                                                      3. IMHO the best Italian sandwich can be found at the Eagle Rock Italian Bakery. They bake their bread fresh every day. Love the combo or the hard salami all on it's own.

                                                                                                                        1. completely different style and price level:
                                                                                                                          i prefer the deli sandwiches at nate 'n al's in beverly hills.

                                                                                                                          also, a different style of sandwich, in the south bay, i prefer
                                                                                                                          Manhattan Bread and Bagel on sepulveda blvd in manhattan beach

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                                                                                                                          1. re: westsidegal

                                                                                                                            how are the sandiwhces at manhattan bagel, always passed by it and it looks sure interesing. do you get sandwiches on bagel or other breads, do they even have french, italian, or hoaige rolls. thanks.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                              i ususally get the sandwich platters there for parties.
                                                                                                                              good combination of flavors.
                                                                                                                              bread/rolls always fresh.

                                                                                                                          2. Domingo's Italian Market in Encino has amazing sandwiches.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: srgx2

                                                                                                                              I live just down the road but haven't been. Recs for sandwiches?

                                                                                                                            2. Dunno, but a "poorboy" loaded with hot peppers is pretty hard to beat in my book..

                                                                                                                              1. No. Nothing better in LA. Bay Cities rocks.

                                                                                                                                  1. Believe it or not...the Sausalito sandwich at Ralph's on Bundy and Wilshire is absolutely fantastic with one caveat: You MUST either have them grill it to the max, or bring it home and put it in your panini maker. One sandwich is enough for two. We have this for Sunday night dinner almost every week, with a bag of Tim's Sea Salt and Vinegar Chips, which are also available at that Ralphs. Other sandwiches we like there: :the chicken (or is it turkey) with blue cheese and the one with artichoke hearts, but none as much as the Sausalito.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: cettlinger

                                                                                                                                      I believe it -- I've heard great things about the sandwiches at this particular Ralphs. What kind of bread do they use for their cold subs?

                                                                                                                                    2. I imagine a sandwich with the bread and fixin's from Bay Cities, including a mix of their mild and hot pepper spread. Then I'd fill it with ham and turkey from Honeybaked. Add a bit of the sharpest cheddar cheese from Trader Joe's. Yum!

                                                                                                                                      1. I haven't found a better sandwich in LA than the Godmother at Bay Cities. I always order online, and yes, the parking lot is insane. But my husband's car was dinged, and we still go back. He, by the way, grew up in an Italian neighborhood in Jersey and raves about the meatball sub at Bay Cities.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: grubtrotters

                                                                                                                                          As your husband grew up in an Italian neighborhood in Jersey, I suggest taking him to Jersey Mikes. http://www.jerseymikes.com/. I told a friend that I was going to Trader Joe in Westwood and she insisted that I try "Jersey Mikes" I told her that I don't love sub sandwiches, but she made me "promise" that I would love Jersey Mikes. I have to say that this was the best subway-type sandwich I have ever had. I had the #7, which was fresh turkey, provolone, lettuce, tomato, onions and a splash of olive oil and vinegar on a freshly-baked luscious roll. In looking at the menu, it appears that they have options which rival the "Godmother". The #13 was recommended , but I don't like a lot of salami and ham. What impressed me about Jersey Mikes is how fresh and beautiful the produce was. Wow! They could even be getting their tomatoes from local farmers markets. Also, the restaurant is very clean,, there is outside seating, the order is really fast. A very nice lunch option in Westwood. I was impressed and will return. A couple of times, the manager came by to ask me if everything was okay. This is not Bay Cities. It's just a whole lot better, cleaner, fresher and tastier. Albeit, it lacks character, You want character, go to Bay Cities. You want a great Sub, try Jersey Mikes.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                            I grew up in NJ and we loved those subs, back when it was a local shop. Haven't tried them since they went all franchisey... will have to check it out.

                                                                                                                                            HOWEVER.... please dear god, do not compare Jersey Mike's with Subway..... the smell of that place just makes me nauseous. Subway is to subs what Domino's is to pizza.

                                                                                                                                            Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                            1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                              I am very conflicted about the new Jersey Mike's in Westwood Village. On the plus side, I will agree that they make a very fresh and tasty sub. The veggies in particular are cold and crisp, the roll soft enough but with some texture and character and the couple of times I've been there the staff is very friendly. But the meats are chintzy, sliced microscopically thin, and thus the sandwich is out of whack. But my biggest complaint is the price -- a regular Italian sub is $7.95, so if you make it a combo with a soft drink and chips you are spending $11 with tax, and a bit more if you tip your sandwich-maker. Note that they don't post prices on their website and in the months they've been open special offers have been few, far between, and very restricted. You can buy two double-doubles, fries, and drinks at In-N-Out for the same money a few blocks away.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: nosh

                                                                                                                                                I loved my #7. Have to admit I eschew big sandwiches. Thus, my turkey sandwich, no chips, no soft drink was about $6.00. Very filling (small) sandwich on whole wheat bread; tasted great and washed it down with a glass of water. Great parking and I picked up Grey Goose Vodka for $26.99 for 750L. at TJ's. BTW, TJ's keeps the premium vodkas behind a desk. You have to ask for it. Not on display.
                                                                                                                                                Belvedere is about $1.00 more. What is really nuts,is that TJ's charges $28.99 for
                                                                                                                                                Belvedere; Vicente Foods charges $44.99.. Sorry to wander a little bit off topic.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: maudies5

                                                                                                                                                  but vicente foods if you mean the market past bundy on san vicente is the supermarket for rich people.

                                                                                                                                                  maybe i'll try jersey mike's, i wasn't impressed at all, when i tried it's location in ojai of all places.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                    Vicente Foods is a great supermarket. I would not characterize it as a "supermarket for rich people." Granted, one can go to Ralphs or Vons and get better deals and coupons. I love Vicente Foods. They have the best butchers, great produce and a wide variety of just about everything. If you can't find it; they'll get it. I can find anything I want at Vicente. They must be doing something very right. Same staff for years. The only thing I have found to be overpriced are some liquor items. I showed the Manager of Vicente my receipt from TJ's which showed the Grey Goose Price. The next day the price was reduced by about $6.00. This is a neighborhood market; albeit, in a very affluent neighborhood. Yet, it could not be friendlier. Re: Jersey Mikes...Try the Glendon, Westwood location. I thought is was mighty fine. Enjoy!

                                                                                                                                          2. Nope - simply the best. They have the Chicken / eggplant parm every day in the hot food area - you dont have to wait in the cold sandwich line. You can also order anything online for pickup.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: BrianR

                                                                                                                                                DeFrankos in Van Nuys..A hole in the wall if there ever was one, has a 5 seat counter some benches in back is run like clockwork by the owner drew a female.. east coast following many regulars she has been making sandwiches for over 25 years.. Learned at a place on victory and was either given the place or bought it from the owner who was in jail for shooting his tax man..True story..I usually get the italian with everything on it..tomatoes onions pickles oil spices. ect..Numerous hot and cold sandwiches everything good to great has won numerous awards over the years you could drive by this place for years and never notice it..,did get a new sign a couple of years ago and a new roof...7532 woodley ave. Van Nuys 818 780 9556 m-sat

                                                                                                                                                1. re: BrianR

                                                                                                                                                  where's this good eggplant parm joint?

                                                                                                                                                2. Maybe the CHers who don't like the bread at Bay Cities will enjoy the pressed sandwiches at Il Tramezzino. They make great sandwiches, the type you'd find in Florence. Most of the fillings are chicken/turkey, cheese, pesto with variations. The caprese with mozzarella and basil is a nice veggie option. They are a bit expensive (like $10 per sandwich) but it's BH what else would you expect. I like to mix in Il Tramezzino to many of the places people have mentioned because it's a different type of sandwich.

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                                                                                                                                                  460 N Canon Dr, Beverly Hills, CA 90210

                                                                                                                                                  1. Try the bbq beef here! And price? Awesome.

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                                                                                                                                                    For not bad local joints, Eastside Deli, near Chinatown, La Canada Imports in La Canada, Wolfe's Market in Claremont.

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: tenxtone76

                                                                                                                                                      New place opened up about two weeks ago "All About the Bread" on Melrose, at the La Brea intersection (same strip as Chaya and Pinkberry). Pretty much copied Bay Cities bread (great heads-up move), Boars Head meat, Chicago giardenera. Place is amazing.

                                                                                                                                                    2. At BC, try the Little Don Lorenzo. It is premade next to the hot deli counter...no waiting in line. It is stacked full of prosciutto and fresh mozzarella and red peppers.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: bringiton

                                                                                                                                                        What's BC ?????

                                                                                                                                                        Anyone tried a Caprese at Bay cities.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                          Was that a real question, Kev - "what's BC?" I think it's Bay Cities, no?

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Wayno

                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, for a second, a brain fart, I thought people were recing joints other than Bay Cities, hence I thought Brigthon was mentioning some other deli by the initials, BC.

                                                                                                                                                              Oh, well, ...

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: kevin

                                                                                                                                                              Love the caprese, although I always ask for additional balsamic vinegar...the normal amount seems too light for me.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: bringiton

                                                                                                                                                                I will try out the Caprese considering that I'm trying my darndest to seat healthier these days.

                                                                                                                                                                Any clue if it's Polly-O they are using or what ????

                                                                                                                                                                I wonder if they grab their tomatoes from the SM Farmer's Market, but that's just wishful thanking.

                                                                                                                                                            3. Only think close is maybe All About the Bread on Melrose/La Brea. They have basically the same bread. Haven't had any hot sandwich from there though.

                                                                                                                                                              1. Hit up The Sandwich or any of the other sandwiches at Rosario's joint.

                                                                                                                                                                1. If you're in the mood for an excellent bbq sandwich, Pork Belly's Sandwich Shop in Venice is a must! The Belly Up and The Chop sandwiches are the bomb!