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Chantal dutch oven - cracking enamel - alternative bakeware for no knead bread?

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dine_in Nov 8, 2008 12:10 PM

I picked up a very low cost Chantal dutch oven at Marshall's, marked down for some exterior chips and dings. It's cast iron with an enamel coating. I've been using it regularly to bake no knead bread.

The pot sits in a 450 degree oven for more than hour (including the time before I drop the dough in). I now notice some cracking below the surface of the enamel along the interior base. I thought these pots could handle the high heat. I guess not.

Buying a Le Creuset replacement is not an option. Even on sale, they're out of my budget. And the Chantal find was a fluke, as I have not seen other cast iron products at the store lately.

So the question is, what are some low cost alternative bakeware for my bread?

- handles 450 degrees
- deep in depth (ideally around 8 quart size)
- has a cover that also can withstand the heat
- has handles

Thanks!

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    ronniebell RE: dine_in Nov 8, 2008 01:46 PM

    buy an inexpensive Lodge cast iron dutch oven (only Lodge - made in USA with no lead) from a sporting goods store (like Sportsman Warehouse or such) Much cheaper than Le Creuset or Chantal. You can buy them pre-seasoned so you don't even have to mess with that. I use mine for no knead bread exclusively and use my Le Creuset for what it was designed for - glorious stews!

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      kchurchill5 RE: ronniebell May 19, 2009 08:39 AM

      FYI, not sure if this is Lodge in the USA or not walmart carry's them. I heard the USA no lead brand but not sure. 39.99 for the 7 qt and many other great prices. If you are concerned re lead, personally I am not, they are great, but I have also seen many great finds at restaurant wharehouses on the web.

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        Beckyleach RE: ronniebell Dec 30, 2009 01:11 PM

        I second this. After ONE time of putting my Le Creuset through the No Knead oven trauma, I came to my senses and switched to regular cast iron. If you look around Ebay or thrift shops, you might be able to find an older, vintage dutch oven (a #8 should be perfect) for the same price as a Lodge, and you'll have a smoother surface and it may already be well-seasoned.

      2. Joe Blowe RE: dine_in Nov 8, 2008 02:33 PM

        Is it cracking or crazing? Two different things. If you're only going to use it for NNTK bread, I'd say save your money and use that pot exclusively for bread. There's nothing wrong with using an enameled pot with a crazed interior. It's safe -- it's just iron below. (If the enamel is coming off in chunks, then that's a problem -- you don't want someone biting into a piece of enamel!)

        If you absolutely must have a new pot, then look at the enameled cast iron pots at Target -- got my NNTK bread pot there (because I didn't want to use my Le Creuset for that) and it only cost $40 out the door...

        http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3367...

        I replaced the plastic knob with a stainless steel cabinet knob from Home Depot. Been through nearly 100 NNTK loaves now. The interior is holding up just fine, but the exterior is showing the effects of all that high-temp baking.

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          MikeB3542 RE: Joe Blowe Nov 8, 2008 08:26 PM

          For no-knead bread, a 5-qt Lodge Dutch oven is the ticket. Got one at Target for $30 -- I got the pre-seasoned model with the oversized handles and no bail. No worries ever about high temps. A plain cast iron DO will work for most of the things you can do in enamelled stuff, just have to take it easy with acidic foods. (Stews:yes; chili:yes; fruit cobblers:yes; spaghetti sauce: no; coq au vin: no).

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            Joe Blowe RE: MikeB3542 Nov 9, 2008 07:26 AM

            If someone has excellent storage capabilities in their kitchen, I'm all for having pots and pans for a specific purpose (e.g. a plain cast iron pot for bread).

            But if one has a smaller kitchen with limited storage (like me), I think it's wise to buy cookware that offers the most versatile cooking options. An enameled dutch oven will be able to do bread, plus all those things you can't do in non-enamel cast iron cookware. My $40 Target pot is only 10 bucks more than a Lodge non-enamel pot, but arguably offers much more bang-for-the-buck.

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              kchurchill5 RE: MikeB3542 May 19, 2009 08:39 AM

              My Dad just picked up a 5 at Target. He loves it.

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            ThreeGigs RE: dine_in Nov 9, 2008 04:08 AM

            Any enameled pot will do this, including Le Creuset.

            Tossing cold dough into a 450 degree pot is a lot of temperature shock on the enamel.

            Grab a cheap tri-ply 8 qt stock pot at Marshalls.

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              Joe Blowe RE: ThreeGigs Nov 9, 2008 08:08 AM

              "Tossing cold dough into a 450 degree pot is a lot of temperature shock on the enamel."

              In theory, yes, I agree with you.

              In practice, after doing the same to my enameled cast iron pot nearly 100 times, I'd say don't worry about it. I've seen no evidence to date that the interior enamel is stressed at all.

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                MikeB3542 RE: Joe Blowe Nov 9, 2008 10:59 AM

                I agree that having both enamelled and non-enamelled dutch ovens is a strain if space and resources are limited (which is the case for most of us!). My personal preference is to go non-enamelled for now, and get a LC or Staub when I have the dollars and space.

                In my opinion, cheap enamelled cast iron seems like an iffy proposition: I won't deny that you have gotten lots of good use from yours, but I have heard too many horror stories from folks who have had chipping, crazing, cracking and rusting after only a couple of uses.

                In the meantime, I have a Lodge DO that can do most of the things I am looking to do, and won't give me a lick of trouble. From popping up a batch of corn (by the way, an excellent way to build up seasoning a piece that normally is not used for frying), to baking a loaf of bread, to cooking up a batch of chili, it is very versatile.

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                  rtms RE: Joe Blowe May 15, 2009 08:21 PM

                  I bake my no knead bread in an inexpensive enameled cast iron dutch oven. The pot is fine but I'm worried about the lid. - It's the lid that's crazing/cracking not the pot.....weird.

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                    blondelle RE: rtms May 15, 2009 08:34 PM

                    Is any one using Corningware in the French White with the glass lids to bake this? Does that stuff explode like Pyrex?

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                      MikeB3542 RE: blondelle May 17, 2009 01:50 AM

                      I would never put glass bakeware in an oven that hot.

                      I have done no-knead bread in a ceramic casserole (not Corningware) and the glaze did craze. It is most apparent on the inside where oils penetrated the cracks and stained the ceramic. It actually did a supurb job of baking the bread.

                      Best bet for no knead bread is a plain cast iron Dutch oven. No plastic handles to melt, no finishes to craze. Pretty sure you can get a 5-qt Lodge at Target for $30 (I prefer the model with the loop handles, no bail). They are pre-seasoned, so you can use right away (unlike pre-seasoned skillets, which need a little work).

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                        kchurchill5 RE: blondelle May 19, 2009 08:40 AM

                        Mine I got when first married almost 30 years. Still in great shape. I cook anything in it.

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                  dine_in RE: dine_in Nov 9, 2008 06:49 PM

                  Update and more thoughts...

                  It is crazing, not cracking. Nothing is chipping off. The appearance of cracks lies below the surface. Is this a precursor to actual cracking? I do not know. My concern is unknown health effects from actual chipping. I’m fairly certain this Chantal product was made in China, which calls into question if there’s lead paint in use.

                  As I do live in small apartment, kitchen storage space is limited. I actually store my dutch oven in the oven, along with various baking sheets and dishes. Every time I want to use the oven, I have to unload all the bakeware to the dining table. Welcome to life in New York City.

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                    Joe Blowe RE: dine_in Nov 9, 2008 09:05 PM

                    "I’m fairly certain this Chantal product was made in China, which calls into question if there’s lead paint in use."

                    It's enamel, not paint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitreous... .

                    As I pointed out, crazing is OK. If you don't see it coming off in bits or chunks, what's the problem? It's just iron underneath. There's no lead in cast iron. If you're that concerned about lead content in the enamel, you can buy a lead-test swab kit online to put your mind at ease.

                    And, BTW, I lived in NYC (Queens and Manhattan) for seven years. I know what it's like to live with a kitchen the size of my current coat closet. Seriously. Keep a lean and mean collection of cookware, and you'll maintain your sanity!

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                      Soop RE: Joe Blowe May 19, 2009 07:08 AM

                      'pparantly there is an issue with Chinese factiories melting down scrap, I.E. from engine blocks. This way, lead gets in.

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                        Joe Blowe RE: Soop May 19, 2009 08:34 AM

                        Scrap iron is scrap iron -- you get it where you can. Do you think the French are making their cast iron pots from virgin ore?

                        Sounds like another urban myth to me. I realize Chinese manufacturing practices are a bit suspect of late, but I would need proof (and some science to back up the claim that lead could make it through the smelting process) to believe it...

                  2. cassis RE: dine_in May 16, 2009 04:56 AM

                    I used my 20 year old Le Creuset a couple of times for no knead bread and the only effect I noted was that pre-existing splatters of food on the enamel get permanently baked on, and the interior white enamel in particular darkens. The company recommended soaking in hot water and Tide, and my mom recommended rubbing with soda and rinsing with vinegar, both of which helped. I'm going to get a cast iron dutch oven for bread as others have suggested, and keep my precious Le Creuset for soups and stews.

                    1. kchurchill5 RE: dine_in May 19, 2009 08:50 AM

                      I went to the Lodge factory store a couple of times. Fun day trip. SC and TN Made for a great vaca, but target and walmart both carry them and very reasonable and pretty sure they are original Lodge. So much cheaper than Amazon at double the price.

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                        atsteph RE: dine_in Dec 30, 2009 11:06 AM

                        FYI.. I have this same pot, and it says that it's meant to be used for low temperature cooking. I believe it said 400 or less... maybe even 350.

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                          jeanmarieok RE: dine_in Dec 30, 2009 01:13 PM

                          I use my Pyrex dutch oven sized pot for no knead bread, and haven't had a problem.

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                            TashaLuv RE: dine_in Jan 6, 2010 10:39 AM

                            If ppl are worried about Lead from cracked Pans why not go P.U a Lead Test Kit rather than not use it or toss it out or one could contact the maker & ask any Q's U might have & one needs to be Careful to not go rough -W- the pans,Don't use Steel Wool,harsh cleaners,they can Chip just like a Ceramic Coffee Mug.
                            I recently P.U a Dutch Oven @ Conn. TJ Maxx for $30.00 a Chantal Brand & in many colors,red,blk,wh,blue, that looks much like the La Creuset which they also had for at least twice more the price.

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                              Joe Blowe RE: TashaLuv Jan 6, 2010 10:59 AM

                              kthxbai

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                                joan mar RE: TashaLuv Sep 22, 2011 06:16 AM

                                I purchased a Chantal Dutch Oven about a year ago at Marshal's in CT and we loved it until last night! We were having ravioli for dinner and my husband decided to use a small saucepan to heat the water in. I told him it was too small and he pulled out the Dutch Oven, because our pasta pan was currently in use. He dumped the warm (not boiling) water into the Dutch Oven and continued heating the water to boiling. The ravioli cooked in the boiling water for 6 minutes and when I went to strain the water out found that the bottom and sides of the Chantal Dutch Oven were chipped (large chips)! Now, I've made chili, stews, soups, etc. in this pan many, many times and have put it in the oven and never had anything like this happen. I'm very annoyed that I now have to find another inexpensive (not cheap) Dutch Oven.

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                                sparrowgrass RE: dine_in Sep 22, 2011 06:31 AM

                                I have made approximately one million loaves of no-knead bread (bake sale favorite!) and I have used my Pyrex dishes, stainless steel pots, and cast iron. It all turns out great. If you don't have a lid for a particular pan or dish, use a pot lid that fits or make one out of aluminum foil.

                                I haven't found that a heavy pot does any better than a stainless pot--it may cool off a bit when you put the dough in, but the hot oven brings it right back up to temperature quickly. I have used both old and new Pyrex, and have never cracked a dish.

                                1. splatgirl RE: dine_in Sep 22, 2011 10:59 AM

                                  Lodge makes something called a "Combo Cooker" that is the best thing ever for bread. It's got a deep side like a regular dutch oven, and then instead of a regular lid, it's got a shallow skillet shaped piece that doubles as both the lid and a cooking vessel. It's SO MUCH EASIER to deliver your loaf-baby into the shallow side and cover with the deep side than trying to get it nicely into a deep dutch oven.
                                  Plus, it's two pans in one and stores more conveniently than a domed lid pot.

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                                    Sirrith RE: splatgirl Mar 1, 2014 05:29 PM

                                    I'm also late, but wanted to add something. Lodge also make a "double dutch oven" which is basically a larger version of the combo cooker without the handles, which makes it more suitable for oven use. That is what I use for bread.

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                                    CaliforniaJoseph RE: dine_in Mar 1, 2014 12:01 PM

                                    I know I'm late to the party on this one, but since a lot of folks seem to - like me - google their way here when researching this might prove timely for someone.

                                    I do my no-knead bread in an IMUSA cast-aluminum caldero that I bought as part of a set at Target. Target price matched the Walmart.com price of $19.99 for the three. I replaced the plastic knobs with stainless knobs for which I paid a $1 each.

                                    I have used this caldero for frying, baking and grilling - the more oil that burns on, the uglier it gets, the better it works. It is a workhorse that is ruggedly beautiful. I have rack that fits in the bottom and have even used this to bake cakes on the stove top.

                                    Also if weight is any sort of issue and you need something not so heavy - this is the vessel! It cannot me more than 2 pounds!

                                     
                                     
                                     
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