569852 Wed Nov 05 10:05:29 -0800 2008 19 33 Food Media and News 0 4151123 This was just announced today over the AP wire. You can read it here: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h6D19n6iXOIscqxYjzf5ujU_auQQD948SC2O0 Wed Nov 05 10:05:29 -0800 2008 74815 orthochow 1 4151147 Great, now retailers will have another excuse to raise the price on the already high price of kosher meats. I think I will become a vegatarian. Wed Nov 05 10:12:44 -0800 2008 4151123 16616 MartyB 2 4151218 "I think I will become a vegetarian." Your wallet, belt and the environment will all thank you, as may some animals. That being said, I'm having meat for dinner. Wed Nov 05 10:43:14 -0800 2008 4151147 67362 craigcep 3 4151296 Good thing that Supersol has some excellent prices on chicken & chicken breasts that I took advantage of. I will make more room in my chest freezer and plug in my spare frig that I have in my garage and take a trip on Sunday to Pick N Pay and stock up on rib steaks, my favorite meat, before the price hikes go into effect. Problem is how quickly will retailers jump to raise prices. Wed Nov 05 11:15:31 -0800 2008 4151218 16616 MartyB 4 4151429 I buy the rib steaks from Pic N Pay all the time. I like that they're packed individually or two in a pack- that way they go into the freezer without repacking. Have you ever bought the premarinated ones? Wed Nov 05 11:59:17 -0800 2008 4151296 217807 cheesecake17 5 4151485 No, just their "thick cut" ones. I still have bunch of them in my freezer. Wed Nov 05 12:23:47 -0800 2008 4151429 16616 MartyB 6 4152005 I'll try those next time I go there. I like their pre-formed chicken burgers with spinach. Wed Nov 05 15:25:36 -0800 2008 4151485 217807 cheesecake17 3 4152079 "Your wallet, belt, and the environment will all thank you." The wallet: I can understand (although lots of junk and other types of convenience foods are, pound per pound, much more expensive than raw meat or poultry). The belt: I know more than a couple of obese vegetarians. I used to know a young woman who was a vegetarian but feasted on cake, challah, etc. all of the time. (Vegetarian) carbohydrates can cause a belt to tighten much more than meat products (such as a hamburger without the bun). The environment: No comment, although I've read that in some ways people eating meat is less taxing on the environment than if the additional resources would be devoted to growing more non-animal crops for people (I suppose this argument is debatable). Whatever you eat, ENJOY! Wed Nov 05 16:04:21 -0800 2008 4151218 194287 midasgold 4 4153853 Current research is that "Shifting less than one day per week’s worth of calories from red meat and dairy products to chicken, fish, eggs, or a vegetable-based diet achieves more [greenhouse gas] reduction than buying all locally sourced food." (from http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/esthag/2008/42/i10/abs/es702969f.html) On the other hand, the thing I love best about vegetarian Shabbat meals is that I can bake dessert using butter rather than stick margarine. Which I suppose means my chocolate cake or whatnot has a larger carbon footprint. Or maybe not--I'll have to ask my brother (who models such things) about the precise breakdown. Thu Nov 06 11:42:18 -0800 2008 4152079 132293 Kochav 2 4151762 It won't be an excuse to raise prices. There may very well not be enough meat around with Rubashkin closed. I hope that the powers that be find a way for Rubashkin to operate with some type of supervision. Wed Nov 05 13:49:23 -0800 2008 4151147 155834 momrn 3 4152138 The problem is that once prices go up they will not come down. Look at what happened recently, food prices went up the "excuse" was that energy costs went up so prices had to rise. Well energy costs have come down quite a bit but has food prices gone down - no. This is an excerpt from a Reuters story http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE49K6ZE20081021 ... commodity prices, which reached record highs earlier this year, have plunged. The drop, however, has failed to show up on grocery stores shelves. Last week alone, wheat fell to a 16-month low of $5.43 a bushel, soybeans neared a 14-month low of $8.25 a bushel, and corn dropped to $3.71 a bushel, marking its lowest point in almost a year. The cost of energy -- used to transport, package and process foods -- is still boosting food prices, even though energy prices have dropped significantly. Oil has slumped from a record high above $147 a barrel on July 11 to about $70. Wed Nov 05 16:35:38 -0800 2008 4151762 16616 MartyB 4 4154372 >>The problem is that once prices go up they will not come down. Look at what happened recently, food prices went up the "excuse" was that energy costs went up so prices had to rise. Well energy costs have come down quite a bit but has food prices gone down - no.<< There is generally a three month lag before the lower prices are reflected. I can tell you that the large CPG companies like P&G and Kraft are seating right now as they watch their customers switch over to private labels. At some point, the prices will decrease as they try to hold market share, Thu Nov 06 14:36:04 -0800 2008 4152138 12471 jlawrence01 5 4154938 Re: I can tell you that the large CPG companies like P&G and Kraft are seating right now as they watch their customers switch over to private labels. What do you mean by "seating"? Thu Nov 06 18:47:52 -0800 2008 4154372 159087 queenscook 6 4155835 I'm guessing that was a typo and should have read "sweating." Fri Nov 07 08:14:41 -0800 2008 4154938 25244 rockycat 3 4154144 What is Rubashkin's competition? Comparable in size? Thu Nov 06 13:25:51 -0800 2008 4151762 28703 RicRios 4 4154519 Rubashkin is the largest operator, Alle is a competitor, but smaller in size. Thu Nov 06 15:35:09 -0800 2008 4154144 202198 ferret 3 4156124 "find a way for Rubashkin to operate with some type of supervision." You mean other than Rabinnical supervision! :) Fri Nov 07 09:52:33 -0800 2008 4151762 10814 sbp 4 4156187 Knowing the Rubashkin kin, I wouldn't be surprised if momrn meant it literally. Fri Nov 07 10:24:06 -0800 2008 4156124 28703 RicRios 1 4173837 http://enews.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20081114/491d05d0_3ce2_15586200811141658051978 Fri Nov 14 11:27:55 -0800 2008 4151123 11106 tatamagouche 2 4173994 LOL! The Rubashkins must have by now millions of frequent flyer miles in their slammer VIP accounts. Fri Nov 14 12:10:45 -0800 2008 4173837 28703 RicRios