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How long should you soak black beans?

thunderbug84 Nov 3, 2008 05:24 PM

I have some dried Alubia Negra beans and I want to use them for dinner tomorrow night. First, how long should I soak them? Is it possible to over-soak them? Second, how long should I cook them after they have soaked? Thanks!

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    lgss RE: thunderbug84 Nov 3, 2008 05:36 PM

    We put ours in to soak the morning (before we leave for work) of the day we want to cook them for supper. They'll expand as they soak, so cover them with soak water and then add some more. Also pour off the soak water and add new before you cook them. We have a pressure cooker, so presoaked ones take only 3-6 minutes at high pressure with natural pressure release. If you use a regular pan they take longer...but I don't know how long. I used to presoak and then partially cook them and put them in serving size or meal size containers in the freezer and just add them when I was making millet or rice to cook them the rest of the way.

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      Erika L RE: thunderbug84 Nov 3, 2008 05:41 PM

      I pre-soak all beans by covering them with 2" of water and boiling for 5 minutes, then putting on the lid and turning off the heat and letting them sit for an hour. After that, I drain them, add new water, and cook in a regular pot (i.e., not a pressure cooker). Depending on the type of beans, they'll take 45 min - an hour to fully cook.

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        janetms383 RE: Erika L Nov 4, 2008 07:42 AM

        I use this method as it helps "degas" the beans! Then I cook the beans with a quartered onion, end of a celery and several gloves of garlic. When the beans are cooked, I remove the vegetables.

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          teezeetoo RE: Erika L Nov 19, 2013 04:14 PM

          +1 for Erika's method. Works very well.

        2. sarah galvin RE: thunderbug84 Nov 3, 2008 08:48 PM

          When I cook them in the pressure cooker, I don't soak. They take 15 minutes! Otherwise I have usually soaked overnight.

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            dexters RE: thunderbug84 Nov 4, 2008 04:22 AM

            Per Rick Bayless, I never soak my beans. Just cover with water, bring to a boil and then down to a simmer for about 2 hours. You may need to replenish water occasionally.

            Don't throw the water away either! It has loads of flavor.

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              scubadoo97 RE: dexters Nov 4, 2008 05:53 AM

              same here. Never soak. Cook stove top for about 2 hours. You can do it in the oven as well and there would be no need to stir or check on them as you would stove top.

              I'm using a pressure cooker more for beans these days

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                rworange RE: dexters Nov 4, 2008 10:27 AM

                That's what I do. Don't soak.

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                  tcurry RE: rworange Nov 14, 2008 05:12 AM

                  Mr. Orange is right - the slow cooker turns out perfect beans every time, black, red, white, lentils or split peas. I never soak anymore, nor do I have to watch anything boiling on the stove. To elaborate -- measure a little more than twice as much water as beans, add whatever flavorings, put on low and leave. High is quicker, but it's good to be there to stir a couple of times if so.

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                  MazDee RE: dexters Nov 4, 2008 12:41 PM

                  I don't soak either. I use my slow cooker.

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                    lgss RE: MazDee Nov 9, 2008 08:09 AM

                    For those sensitive to the "musical" effects of beans, the soaking helps reduce it.

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                      KiltedCook RE: lgss Nov 10, 2008 06:32 AM

                      Actually, several tests have proven that soaking *does not* counteract any gaseous effects of beans.

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                        lgss RE: KiltedCook Nov 14, 2008 04:33 PM

                        Works in our house.

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                    kbinsted RE: dexters Nov 14, 2008 09:36 AM

                    I tried several times to cook beans in whey (long story). They absolutely refused to cook, even after being on the stove for a whole day. Any idea why?

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                      saltwater RE: kbinsted Nov 14, 2008 07:18 PM

                      Is it possible that whey acts like very hard water? Hard water is unkind to beans, perhaps on account of the minerals, like calcium. Some whey is an excellent source of calcium.

                      My other thought is that certain types of whey are acidic, and acid can have an adverse effect on flavor and texture, but I don't know if whey ever gets acidic enough to matter. Of the two, acid and minerals, I'd be more inclined to suspect minerals. But I'm guessing, so it could be something else entirely.

                      Oh, be sure you trust the source of the beans. Some places never turn over long keeping stock. Really old beans (years) can refuse to soften. Myself, though, I've principally had that problem with kidneys.

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                    KiltedCook RE: thunderbug84 Nov 4, 2008 12:36 PM

                    I'm another NO Soak bean maker. A coupl eyears ago I did my own kitchen test - soaked vs unsoaked cooked to the same doneness. Unsoaked beans took about 15 minutes longer. No more soaking and having to plan a day ahead!! PS - put a tablespoon of dried thyme in with any bean as it cooks - a match made in heaven.

                    1. catarry RE: thunderbug84 Nov 17, 2008 06:08 AM

                      If you do choose to cook directly without soaking, I seem to remember that Julia Child had some problems with a batch she was making. They ran low on liquid and she added more cold water, but they never softened. One of her collaborators said that when adding water to cooking beans, always add very hot or boiling water. Might be worth remembering.

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                        cristina RE: catarry Nov 17, 2008 08:45 AM

                        I never soak any kind of bean. I agree with catarry, always add boiling water to the bean pot if the pot runs low on liquid.

                        And buy your beans here: http://www.ranchogordo.com. These are the best beans anywhere.

                        Link: http://www.mexicocooks.typepad.com

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                        vgm106 RE: thunderbug84 Feb 25, 2013 10:10 AM

                        Almost every traditional culture that I know of, soaks the beans. Why? They contain phytates and other toxins that break down when you soak them. At least if you don't want to bother others with explosive farts.

                        3-4 hrs to be safe.

                        All species have some sort of protective mechanism to propagate future generations. Legumes, grains, seeds generally pack toxins or tough layer to protect other organism from ingesting it or letting it excrete as a whole, so that the seed has a chance to germinate. This is why a couple of peach pits (broken) could kill a person.

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                          FED RE: vgm106 Feb 25, 2013 10:36 AM

                          sorry, but this is wrong on almost every count. in cultures where beans are most eaten -- mexico for example -- they are rarely soaked. it's not toxins that give you gas but sugars that are indigestible (beano is the replacement enzyme); those sugars are not a defense mechanism, but are the nutrition the sprouting bean plant will need (you may be thinking about quinoa, a grass, which is covered in a naturally occurring insecticide oil). the other reason for gas from beans is they are high in fiber, which the american diet is low in. for black beans in particular, soaking is not necessary. they are usually among the quickest cooking beans.

                        2. grampart RE: thunderbug84 Feb 25, 2013 10:45 AM

                          FWIW- http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.co...

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                            rfleit RE: thunderbug84 Nov 19, 2013 11:27 AM

                            Cubans make the best black beans, we are known for this as our national dish. We Always Soak The Beans overnight. They get larger, the soaking water turns dark and the beans cook in 18 minutes in a pressure cooker. You can do the quick method by boiling for two minutes turn off the heat and soak for 15 more min.
                            Make a sofrito:
                            1 can diced tomatoes, 1 green bell pepper, diced, 1 large yellow onion, diced, 2 or 3 garlic cloves, minced, 1 Bay leaf, some dry Oregano, ground Cumin, Salt and pepper and olive oil. Saute all until fragrant. Add the beans and soaking water plus more to cover by about 1/2" add 1/2c vinegar (your choice) 1 Tbl. sugar and cook. If using a pressure cooker, start timing after pressure valve starts to rock/hiss. Lower the heat and bring to a gentle rock. If using a conventional pot, cook covered for about two hours. or until tender

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                              spoonandsaucer RE: rfleit Nov 20, 2013 09:17 AM

                              This looks amazing! Any guidelines on how the measure of the beans? I'm so making this!

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                                rfleit RE: spoonandsaucer Nov 20, 2013 09:36 AM

                                Hi spoonsandsaucer.....I always cook the whole 1lb bag. It yields enough for 8 or more. It freezes beautifully, so if you have leftovers you are set for another meal. I made a batch last night in the pressure cooker. I will add here that I also put in a smoked ham hock or ham shank. This gives an incredible amount of flavor. I didn't put this on my original post because a lot of people are trying to eat healthier. If you use a smoked ham shank do not add any salt until the beans are done. The shank might be all you need: After your beans are done, remove the shank with a large slotted spoon, when cool enough to handle, remove all the tender meat from the bone...It literally falls off! and add it back to the soup. Enjoy!

                            2. spoonandsaucer RE: thunderbug84 Nov 20, 2013 09:16 AM

                              I think the general guideline is 6-12 hours - any longer and they get mushy (unless you like that sort of thing). You can also cooking them in a slow cooker, which makes it really easy.

                              I had the same experience as Ms. Child with them not cooking properly without a soak. They seem to stay more intact when soaked before cooking.

                              (That sofrito looks amazing!)

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