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Oct 30, 2008 07:52 AM

anniversary wine to lay down

My hubby and I got married in 2005, I would like to give him a bottle of wine for xmas from 2005, that we can keep to open either on #5 or preferably #10 anniversary.

I want to spend a maximum of $80 US

I am up in Canada, however, my folks are down in California. I thought that I would have them bring something up for me.

they are in Palm Springs/Cathedral City area. I would need a recommendation of a specific wine store that would potentially carry this wine in around this area. I will make the initial phone calls to the wine store then send my folks once I find it.

We really enjoy French Cote du Rhone, Chateau neuf de pape, Pinot noir. Italian Amarone. I am guessing that there is more of a chance of finding an old world wine that will age well?? we like the complexity of the older world wines without the 'big mouth feel' this may not describe Amarone, but we just really like it. We enjoy other italian wines too, I just don't really have a list.


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  1. My advise since your anniversary is in 2005 would be to go French if your planning on holding 10 or more years. Bordeaux had an excellent vintage in 2005 and their wines are built for aging. They are also just hitting the retail shelves now. You mentioned Chateuneuf du Pape as a like and the Rhone also benefitted from a great year in 2005 and are also built for aging. With these French wines you could also pick up yourself in Canada.

    As for Italy 2004 was the better recent vintage for aging then 2005.

    California Cabernet Sauvignon also did well in 2005 and might be a better option if you plan to open for your 5th so it just depends on when you plan to pull the cork and what is available in your or your parents area.

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    1. re: The Dabbler

      Thanks Dabbler. I should have clarified, the reason I want to pick it up down in the states is price. Even with the dollar exchange right now, it would still be cheaper. Wines can be easily 2x as costly up here.

      I am not as interested in a Cab Sav. Not my favorite varietal.

    2. You mentioned you like Chateauneuf-du-Pape, and 2005 was a very good vintage for that region. A 2005 CdP would easily make it to your ten year anniversary. Producers I would recommend: Domaine du Pegau (the Cuvee Reservee is within your budget; the Cuvee Laurence is not), Chateau du Beaucastel (but that might be more than $80), Bosquet des Papes Cuvee Chante le Merle, Clos des Papes, Domaine de la Janasse (either the Vieilles Vignes or the Chauvin), Pierre Usseglio, Domaine de la Gardine, Le Vieux Donjon. You should find at least one of those where you are.

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      1. re: Brad Ballinger

        thanks you have any recs for a wine store in palm springs area? perhaps I should start a different thread for that.

        1. re: Brad Ballinger

          I agree with the Chateauneuf-du-Pape recs.
          However, I'll go out on a limb to say that, as of today, I'd be surprised if the OP finds a regular-size bottle of 2005 Clos des Papes that would be anywhere within the $80 budget.

          1. re: RCC

            I can get the 2005 Beaucastel up here in Canada for about $99. Is that a decent price? maybe i won't have to look for it in the states :)

            1. re: cleopatra999

              For $99 Canadian, it's probably worth buying and not having to bothering with coordinating a purchase in Palm Springs..

            2. re: RCC

              Wow. If that's truly the case, that wine has skyrocketed in recent years.

              1. re: Brad Ballinger

                The 2005 Beaucastel has gotten excellent reviews. If the price you gave is in Canadian dollars its not far off. I am planning on picking up another bottle this week for $75USD.

                I would however not recommend this for your 5th anniversary. Its probably going to need more time then that. If you can hold out until your 10th or longer it should reward your patience well.

                1. re: The Dabbler

                  yes, that is Canadian dollars, so that does sound about right. Surprisingly. There must not be as much mark up on higher end wines. When we were in California the wines at a grocery store that you can pick up for $8-10 US down there, are $18-20 up here. I was expecting that kind of increase on the high end bottles too. oh well, works for me :)

                2. re: Brad Ballinger

                  The 2005 Clos des Pape is a very good wine that skyrocketed in pricing at around the time Wine Spectator made it their 2007 wine of the year. Today, $80 will get you a half bottle.

                  I'll go with the Beaucastel at C$99 which always cellar well and which I think is a relatively good value.

                  1. re: Brad Ballinger

                    Mostly because it won the wine of the year in WS. I'm seeing it for $150+ in NYC.

              2. Chateuneuf du Pape. 2005 was a PHENOMINAL vintage there. Open it on your tenth. I dont know the wine stores in the area so I cannot help you whith wich one.

                1. You cant go wrong with an '05 CdP. In your price range and relative to Burgundy, you almost cant miss. Brad's list is excellent. I'd be inclined to add Vieux Télégraphe and Tardieu-Laurent as two other excellent producers.

                  FWIW, the Pierre Usseglio basic bottling of Cuvée Tradition is really nice at around $40. You might be able to find a magnum at $80.

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                  1. re: mengathon

                    Agree with Brad's list and the inclusion of Telegraphe. Would also include The Mas de Boislauzon Cuvee du Quet, which is phenominal. And the Chapoutier Croix du Bois. And the Marcoux, which should be easily findable in your price range.

                    1. re: whiner

                      For both whiner and mengathon... Have you had the 2005 VT? The reason I ask is because I have tasted it recently. Bottom line, it was horrible. I didn't purchase it, so the tasting came via someone else opening it. And I know the wines are backward when young. But this recent taste did nothing to disconfirm my notion that VT has gone downhill (for my palate anyway) continuously since the mid-1990s.

                      And for the OP, the Pierre Usseglio I mentioned should've included Cuvee mon Aieul, or the two of you can consume the magnum of the normal bottling.

                      Upthread someone recommended the Chapoutier Barbe Rac cuvee. I agree with that one. We can come up with more if you want to raise your price (Bonneau and Charvin come to mind). But with 2005 being a good vintage, no need to spend more that you've budgeted.

                      1. re: Brad Ballinger

                        Yikes! horrible? Care to elaborate what brought you to that judgment on the 2005 VT? I have a bottle of it in my *very* limited cellar space and if it's that bad, I might as well drink up now rather than store it for years. I'd love to hear your tasting notes on it if you've still got them.

                        The CellarTracker notes have been mostly very positive.

                        1. re: oolah

                          Full Disclosure/Full Disclaimer. CdP is not my favorite appellation. Palates differ. Bottles differ. The TWO OUNCES I had from only ONE BOTTLE gave off aromas that were heavy on vanilla, even though VT doesn't use new oak (which is typically associated with such aromas). Flavors that I could only describes as caramelized fennel. Those were the extent of my notes for that ONE TASTE.

                          But to my overall comment. In my experience, and for my palate, the wines of VT have become more alcoholic and more about making a big in-your-face impression. Many people like/prefer that style. I do not.

                          1. re: Brad Ballinger

                            Thanks. I know what you mean about big in-your-face wines. They're not my favorites either (esp when they're heavy-loaded with those vanilla notes), but I don't mind the occasional froot bomb as long as it's got some balance. I guess I'll save this one a few more years and open it up when I have some friends over who do like that kind of wine.

                        2. re: Brad Ballinger

                          I had this thread awhile back, with a full bottle over two days. It was actually much better on the first day, maybe suggesting it's headed for dormancy.


                          The one thing that I remember was that the sweet grenache fruit was really distinct, yet it had a really bright acidity that one usually does not find in cdp. I didnt get the feeling that the alcohol was too high, and I got more subtle chocolate than vanilla. One thing I did miss is the earthy notes, but that's just my preference.

                          Bad bottle? Though not sure how to reconcile that with what your describing. Sounds like you bottle wasn't flawed?

                          1. re: Brad Ballinger

                            Brad, yes I've had it... twice. VT is always the most Burgundian CdP to me. But in '05, it actually tastes a lot like a CA Pinot... but with even more stuffing and acid. I really like it, have given it 93 points twice, and think it will age effortlessly for a very long time. That said, my gut tells me it will shut down for at least 3-4 years starting about now.

                            1. re: whiner

                              >>> But in '05, it actually tastes a lot like a CA Pinot <<<

                              Then, regardless of how tasty it might be, it isn't a very good Chateauneuf, is it?

                              1. re: zin1953

                                I dunno... I often think La Spinetta's Barolo could pass for a Cote Rotie, but I don't know anyone who doesn't salivate at the thought of drinking them anyway. (Almost everyone I know goes for Spinettas and Giacosas, which, of course, could not be more different.) You just have to know what you are getting in to. Just like the 70% Roussanne White Beaucastel (or the 100% VV) tastes quite differently from most other White CdPs, largely because most other white CdPs are not so dominated by that grape... but I'd also call them the best white CdPs.

                                But, if the question is whether the '05 VT is a good example of a *classic* CdP, the answer is surely, "no."

                                1. re: whiner

                                  Thanks for all the help, I picked up the 2005 Beaucastel for $92.99 (and saved 8% on it b/c we were buying a case for a wine tasting). Looking forward to enjoying it in 2015!

                      2. Aside from picking up the occasional 2005 Bordeaux bargains at the Sherwood Park Costco liquor store, Superstore discontinuations, and Opimian wine selections - maybe try on-line (wines for CA etc.) and they will deliver to your folks place or go to the Costco in Palm Desert. In the Palm Springs/Cathedral City area --Ralph's (special section) seems to have a pretty good wine selection, Bristol Farms and possibly Costplus World Market would be my picks. Hope that helps.