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Help me braise my short ribs

lynnlato Oct 18, 2008 08:51 AM

I picked up some beautiful short ribs and got some veggies at the farmer's market today. What I have: arugula, sweet potatoes, butternut squash, corn, potatoes, bell peppers, cauliflower, green beans - I basicly got everything in site! I have cornmeal for polenta, if needed. Fresh bread. I even bought some gorgeous pottery dishes from a local potter friend.

There is a delicious meal in there somewhere. Any thoughts or suggestions? I didn't mention b/c it's kind of a given, but I have lots of wine too! :)

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    white light Feb 6, 2009 10:19 AM

    The two Besh recipes are almost identical but have pretty different cooking times (1.5 hours vs. 5 hours). Is this something that longer = better? Can you overcook them (aside from the meat falling off the bone)?

    Thanks

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    1. re: white light
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      jaykayen Feb 6, 2009 11:15 AM

      Yes, you can overcook them. See my post above.

    2. Will Owen Jan 20, 2009 03:17 PM

      For future reference: Rick Bayless has two slightly different recipes for essentially the same braised short rib dish, one in Authentic Mexican and one in One Plate At a Time. I kinda combined them and cooked the result for a dinner party - I love working without a safety net, don't you? - and people were licking the bones and the plates. Well, not quite, but a couple of them asked if I'd mind. Haven't made it since, as we're doing really rich beef dishes only once in a great while these days, but I do recommend looking it up. You cook them bones and all, but when it's cooked they mostly just fall out.

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      1. re: Will Owen
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        doberlady Feb 6, 2009 09:30 AM

        I would like to make the John Besh recipe that linked above. I want to braise in the oven. What temp should I use and would it be about the same 5 hours of cooking time?

        1. re: doberlady
          MMRuth Feb 6, 2009 09:38 AM

          I usually braise for about 3 hours or so at 325. I've not made that recipe though, nor have I made them on the stove top.

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            doberlady Feb 6, 2009 10:48 AM

            Thanks MMRuth. Top on in the oven?

            1. re: doberlady
              MMRuth Feb 6, 2009 10:59 AM

              Definitely. Mine are always tender after three hours, but you may want to give yourself some more leeway in this case.

          2. re: doberlady
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            jaykayen Feb 6, 2009 11:13 AM

            You don't want to braise it more than necessary. 2.5 or 3 hours is usually sufficient. If you go longer, all of the collagen in the meat will melt out into your braising liquid, and you will have shrunken, stringy, dried out short ribs.

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              doberlady Feb 6, 2009 12:51 PM

              I guess then it's a good thing to do the 3 day method that JFood uses. I am making 8lbs of short ribs and since I am not excatly sure how long they will take I would not have guests here waiting for them to be done.

          3. re: Will Owen
            Morganna Sep 11, 2009 01:43 PM

            Will, I'm hoping you notice this and respond...

            I looked in Authentic Mexican and I can't find any recipes that reference short ribs at all. I must not be looking for the right words. Can you tell me what recipe you're talking about? I was hoping to make these this weekend.

            1. re: Morganna
              Will Owen Sep 11, 2009 06:24 PM

              I just went looking and can't find either book! I can't think where they could've got to, but that's not going to help you a bit. I am terribly sorry. I wish I could remember how I went about it; I wish even more that I'd put it into a document in my recipe file. All I can remember is it used achiote, which is no help at all...

              1. re: Will Owen
                Morganna Sep 11, 2009 06:40 PM

                That's ok. It's a good excuse to go through the book I have and see if anything else will fit the bill. I've already found a tongue recipe that I plan to use for the tongue I have in the freezer. :) If anything else occurs to you, please do mention it! :)

            2. re: Will Owen
              chef chicklet Sep 12, 2009 06:33 AM

              http://www.fronterakitchens.com/cooking/recipes/beef_short_ribs.html
              or
              http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/vie...
              is either of these the recipe you're looking for? They both look darn good.

              I can't tell you how happy I am that this thread has resurfaced!

              1. re: chef chicklet
                Morganna Sep 13, 2009 04:09 AM

                Ooo both of these look awesome! I'm bookmarking them. :)

                1. re: Morganna
                  chef chicklet Sep 13, 2009 08:04 AM

                  I know I love short ribs. If I can crumble and make something other than John Besh's fantastic short ribs recipe I'll try these too. The one with anchiote does look quite good ( and Iove that flavor). I love anything spicy.

                  1. re: chef chicklet
                    Will Owen Sep 14, 2009 11:58 AM

                    I did use achiote, and these look an awful lot like the two I was looking at those many years ago. I think I went for the fewer ingredients but kept the achiote, and at the time did not recognize epazote well enough to trust buying it, since my nearest Latino market has this habit of just throwing bundles of different herbs all into the same bin for the same price. I do know that the one Latino guy in attendance declared it as good as anything his mama had ever made, heady praise indeed.

            3. Caitlin McGrath Oct 18, 2008 02:29 PM

              Lynn, check out this recent thread all about braising short ribs: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/563712

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              1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                lynnlato Oct 18, 2008 06:52 PM

                Thanks Caitlin, I checked that thread prior to my post. Nothing struck my fancy. But then I didn't click on Jfood's link. Had I, I could've saved us all this time. But then I wouldn't of had several rec's for the John Besh recipe AND I wouldn't have learned of those lovely squash croutons that kc girl suggested. :-)

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                dhedges53 Oct 18, 2008 12:49 PM

                Here is Alton Brown's short rib cooking method (this particular recipe is for beef stew, but you can use the method for any short rib recipe). I've tried it, and really like it.

                http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/al...

                1. kc girl Oct 18, 2008 11:09 AM

                  The John Besh recipe posted by others sounds good.

                  I just wanted to add that with the ingredients you bot, you could make a nice salad side by making croutons from the butternut squash or sweet potatotes and a French balsamic dressing.

                  I made croutons from a butternut squash, but I think you can also use the sweet potato in the same way - it would just be a tad sweeter.

                  I cubed and steamed the butternut squash to not quite fork tender - cool. Toss in bowl with sprinkling of olive oil and salt (can be seasoned salt for a nice variation if you want - like Lawry's or something.) Spread single layer on baking sheet and broil to golden brown, stir and again to broil other side of cubes. Done. Sprinkle again with a little salt.

                  Then toss some arugula, corn nuggets, diced red pepper lightly with a French vinaigrette made with the sweetest balsamic vinegar you can find (I used Bistro Blends heirloom balsamic) (not the standard white wine vinegar), add a dash of herbes de provence, seasoned salt - then add butternut squash croutons and toass again, then fresh ground pepper on top.

                  The only thing with this is that the butternut squash croutons need to be used immediately - just after cooling from the broiler. It's not a bread crouton, but has the staying power of a little longer than a french fry.

                  Dressing (best made the day ahead but okay instantly)
                  One teaspoon of dry mustard
                  1/4 tsp herbes de provence
                  a pinch of salt (Lawry's seasoned salt good here)
                  2 tablespoons of balsamic vinegar

                  Mix together with a fork

                  add 3 tablespoons oil

                  Beat together again

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                  1. re: kc girl
                    lynnlato Oct 18, 2008 06:45 PM

                    These squash croutons sound heavenly! As does the dressing. I didn't have the time to try it tonight, but you can rest assured that I will try it in the near future - yum. Did u come up w/ these all by yourself? Great idea, really.

                  2. jfood Oct 18, 2008 10:28 AM

                    Double L

                    Jfood agrees with CC that the Besh recipe is the best. Be advised there are two different Besh receipes on the web if you google Besh Short Ribs. This is the version Jfood has made a few times and thinks CC is referring to.

                    http://secretsauce.ivillage.com/food/...

                    Jfood will disagree with CC on the need to marinate the ribs overnight. If you have the time please do this step.

                    Jfood normally marinates Friday night.
                    Braise on saturday and back into the fridge overnight
                    Reheats for Sunday Family Dinner

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                    1. re: jfood
                      chef chicklet Oct 18, 2008 08:21 PM

                      I've only made them without marinating, I don't know how this recipe could get any better, but I'm game and will try it.
                      Are they the best or what? I am dreaming of a nice rainy Saturday afternoon, the fireplace a great bottle of wine, and John Besh beef short ribs. Happy happy happy...this is a favorite.

                      1. re: chef chicklet
                        jfood Oct 19, 2008 06:05 AM

                        CC

                        Here's the difference as jfood sees it. The flavor of the wine seems to permeate the ribs. When you bite into them they seem to have a more rich, embedded flavor near the surface of the rib.

                        They are already on the schedule to make the second week in November.

                        1. re: jfood
                          chef chicklet Oct 19, 2008 08:32 AM

                          Do you stick to recipe using the wine he suggests for the marinade?
                          Second week in November sounds about perfect for us too, been thinking about this dish all summer.

                          Polenta or pasta, polenta or pasta....

                          You know I was just checking. I printed the recipe and have it somewhere, but quickly wanted to check it out so I looked at the Esquire recipe, that might be the one I used..anyway. I noticed that I do another thing differently. I lightly floured the ribs and then brown them Looking at his photo, his are very dark, which must be from the wine marinade? The first time I made this I accidentally added 2 cups of diced celery instead of 1/2 cup, it still was so good I made it again and again..
                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/7220939@...
                          This photo is not very good, and it is a shot of the left overs the next day.

                      2. re: jfood
                        Dax Jan 20, 2009 01:57 PM

                        I do not have a dutch oven but do have a large crockpot and an 8 qt pressure cooker. It seems Besh is just simmering on the stove? Is it best made long simmered (ie I could switch to the crockpot on low) or could I adapt to pressure cooker for a shorter cooking time?

                        Does everyone use his recommended sides too or just the short ribs? I am thinking about serving over Anson Mills grits, although I do have one 12 oz bag of their polenta but not sure that is enough for 6 people ... not sure about the root vegetables, I will prepare everything in advance but those don't really do it for me. Maybe I'll do collards.

                        1. re: Dax
                          jfood Jan 20, 2009 03:49 PM

                          jfood does not braise the ribs on the stove but in the oven.

                          Wrt sides, since they are served the following day from the braise, plenty of time to sit back and think. Favorite of the family is garlic roasted mashed potatoes.

                          1. re: jfood
                            Dax Jan 20, 2009 04:08 PM

                            Hmmm since I do not have a dutch oven I will have to improvise. Thanks,.

                      3. chef chicklet Oct 18, 2008 09:00 AM

                        hey ll, this photo doesn't do the meal justice BUT. I love short ribs and the recipe that John Besh uses is the best. No need to marinate the ribs overnight you can skip that but the rest of the recipe is great. Just googel - john besh recipe for short ribs, so good!!

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                        1. re: chef chicklet
                          lynnlato Oct 18, 2008 06:43 PM

                          Thank u, thank u, thank u! This was exactly what I craved. Yours was the only reply when I headed out today so i went w/ it. I was so happy when I returned home and saw that Jfood and others concurred.

                          I, of course, didn't marinade overnight as I didn't have the luxury of time. I served them over polenta and it was so so good. I think short ribs over polenta has become one of my most favorite comfort foods. Especially this time of year.

                          Incidentally, I served w/ the '05 Phantom Bogle and while by itself it's not my favorite wine, paired w/ this meal it was perfect.

                          Jfood, your method is definitey ideal, and I will be sure to utilize the marinade and let it all sit in the pot overnight after cooking. I'm sure it only gets better that way! I think I could never fill of these ribs. I could just eat and eat and eat until I spontaneously combusted! Sorry, not a pretty picture.

                          Thanks again everyone!

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