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In Photos: Opening Night at Michael Mina's XIV, or, Kevin Tries to Order EVERYTHING ON THE MENU

kevin h Oct 17, 2008 11:56 PM

Full review with photos: http://www.kevineats.com/2008/10/xiv-los-angeles-ca.htm

XIV ("fourteen," though I still catch myself saying "X-I-V") marks Michael Mina's return to Los Angeles after a two decade long hiatus; apparently, Mina actually started out as a pastry chef at the Hotel Bel Air. Coincidentally or not, XIV is also Mina's 14th restaurant. Having tried two of his other establishments, the original Michael Mina in San Francisco, and Stonehill Tavern in Dana Point, I was eager to give XIV a shot, and made it a point to book reservations on opening night.

The menu is divided into seven sections, with five dishes each. We were told that there are also vegetarian and vegan versions of the menu as well. The idea is interesting: basically you choose items that everyone at the table will eat, so in a sense it's "family-style" dining. At the same time, it's a tasting menu in that each item is brought out divided into small tasting portions. Not being satisfied with that paradigm, I proposed something ambitious: that we order two of everything on the menu. This was something that I'd never seen attempted before, and I honestly wasn't sure if we could even pull it off (both in terms of stomach capacity and willingness on the restaurant's part). If successful, this would break record for number of courses consumed, set at Urasawa. Fortunately, the staff at XIV was able to accommodate this unique request, and I think even delighted in having a party attempt a "gamut" (I believe that's what the restaurant called the feat). Instead of ordering 70 courses at $8 each, we were able to price it out via five orders of the "Fourteen from XIV" for $95.

Here’s what I had:

1: Michael's Caviar Parfait
There was no amuse bouche, so we got right into the first course of the meal. The parfait here was topped with farmed Ossetra caviar, at a $60 per serving supplement (our server mistakenly quoted $40, and told us of the mistake afterwards; we were only charged for $40 though). Paddlefish roe and wild Ossetra were also available. In any case, this was a fantastic start to the meal. It was a multilayered affair, with the briny, nutty caviar on top, followed by creamy, tangy crème fraîche, smoked salmon, egg, and finally a potato croquette on the bottom. All the flavors melded seamlessly together, and the potato added a great textural contrast. This was arguably my favorite dish of the night. Magnifique!

2: Ice Cold Shellfish
White Shrimp Panna Cotta, Kushi Oyster, Steamed Clams. The shrimp were described to us as "sweet shrimp," but I think they were the same as the "shiro ebi" I had on my first trip to Urasawa; the shrimp were lovely, especially when taken with the underlying panna cotta cream. Next, though the menu said "Kushi," we were told the oyster was a Kumamoto, my favorite type. The shell shape certainly looked liked a Kumamoto, and the mild flavor backed up that claim; the foam was interesting, in that it tended to punctuate the oyster's natural flavor. Finally, we had cured littleneck clams; I forget what they were marinated in, but they had a subtle sweetness that counteracted their briny natural flavor.

3: Ahi Tuna Tartare
Ancho Chili, Pears, Mint, Pine Nuts, Sesame Oil. Tuna tartare is almost a staple for me. This version had a somewhat richer, more complex flavor than I'm accustomed to, which was a good thing. The sesame oil and ancho were probably the main contributors to this, and the use of pine nuts added a wondrous crunch to the tartare. Nice!

4: Chilled Maine Lobster
Potatoes, Celery, Chestnuts, Truffle. The lobster itself was solid, fresh, subtle, with a nice texture, but what really set this dish apart for me was the use of potato. It really provided a contrasting taste and texture that added complexity to a dish that could've been quite boring otherwise.

5: Sake and Maple-Cured Kanpachi
Apple, Cippolini Onions, Shiso. The fish had a firm texture, not too fatty, but very smooth; it wouldn't have been bad as sashimi. The cure, meanwhile, gave the kanpachi a bit of an aromatic flowery flavor that worked out pretty well. This reminded me a bit of the crudo I had at Blanca in Newport.

6: Heirloom Tomatoes
Gem Lettuce, Avocado, Bacon Vinaigrette. I'm not a salad person, but I really enjoyed this. The heirloom tomatoes actually took a back seat for me. Rather, the bacon was the star. In addition to adding a fantastic textural crunch to the salad, it provided an offsetting saltiness to the mild, crisp lettuce and the creaminess of the avocado. Bacon does make everything better. Very nice!

7: Golden Beet Salad
Endive, Mache, Aged Gruyere, Hazelnut. This salad was much milder. The greens themselves provided most of the interest here, while the beet and Gruyere served more supporting roles. I think this would've benefitted from a tangy vinaigrette dressing, as like this, it was a bit boring.

8: Artisan Charcuterie
Pickled Cabbage, Caraway, Peach Mustard. There were three types of meat here; one was speck (an Austro-Italian juniper-flavored prosciutto), but unfortunately I don't recall the other two. My favorite was the one to the far left. The pickles (reminiscent of sauerkraut) were a nice touch, as was the mustard with its lovely peach tang; fortunately, the accoutrements didn't overpower as they did at Charlie Palmer.

9: Beef Carpaccio
Hearts of Romaine, Cherry Tomatoes, Horseradish. This wasn't what I was expecting. I'm used to my carpaccio being laid out flat, not rolled. Nevertheless, this turned out to be a great dish. The beef wasn't actually the main focus for me; it was the lettuce that stole the show. It's mild crunchiness was a great accompaniment to the meat, and the horseradish added a soft kick to everything. I didn't see a need for the tomatoes, but they certainly didn't distract from the dish.

10: Bay Scallops Tempura
Cauliflower, Passion Fruit, Almonds. I've never had scallops quite like this before. The scallops themselves were not prepared tempura-style, but rather nicely sautéed to a golden brown, with a rich, sweet flavor. They formed a great interplay with the crispness of tempura vegetables and almonds, as well as the sweetness of passion fruit. The overall effect in the mouth was very pleasing.

11: Dungeness Crab Spring Roll
Avocado, Cumin, Charred Jalapeño, Lime. This was one of the weaker dishes for me. The rolls were a bit nondescript, and I couldn't really pick out the crab and its signature sweetness. Things did improve with the avocado dipping sauce, but I think a non-fried goi cuon-esque summer roll would've worked out better here.

12: Salt & Pepper Big Fin Squid
Glass Noodles, Carrots, Sprouts, Ginger. This definitely had an Asian flavor to it, with the slight sweetness of ginger balanced by the tinge of salt and pepper. The squid had a pleasant consistency, while the noodles added an interesting element to a dish that would've otherwise been too plain.

13: Foie Gras Terrine
Cranberry, Cardamom, Greek Yogurt, Flatbread. I much prefer my foie in terrine or pâté form, and this preparation did not disappoint. The foie was dense, rich, creamy, yet delicate. Its flavor was enhanced by the use of cranberry, which added sweetness, and yogurt, which contributed sourness. This was one of the best dishes of the night and actually compared quite well to the legendary foie gras terrine I had at French Laundry (still my favorite!).

14: Black Truffle Risotto
Sweet Corn, Castelmagno Cheese. I think this was my first experience with Castelmagno, an Italian semi-hard cow's milk cheese from Piedmont. The cheese added richness and depth to the risotto, while the corn contrasted that with a marked sweetness. Very nice, though I would've liked more truffle.

15: Sunchoke Soup
Celery, Black Olive, Espelette Pepper. The various ingredients came presented as shown in the first photo; our server then proceeded to pour on the sunchoke soup. Sunchokes are also known as Jerusalem artichokes, though they're not really artichokes. They do have a flavor I'd describe as a mix between artichoke and potato, and thus, the resultant soup was rich, delicious, and heartwarming, perhaps too much so, as it tended to drown out the flavors of the celery, pepper, and olive.

16: Pumpkin Dumplings
Stewed Cherries, Brown Butter, Sage. Sadly, this turned out to be one of my least favorite dishes of the night. The nose was intensely cinnamon, while on the palate, all I could taste was the overwhelming sweetness of pumpkin. One of my dining companions described the taste as "savory pumpkin pie." I think a milder squash would be more to my liking.

17: Black Cod
Spaghetti Squash, Matsutake Mushrooms, Foie Gras Dashi. Dashi is a Japanese broth made from kombu (kelp) and katsuobushi (bonito shavings), and the addition of foie gave it an uncharacteristic richness and saltiness. I think the ingredients here tended to mask the delicate taste of the fish, and sadly, the fantastic flavors of matsutake mushroom (which I enjoyed greatly at Urasawa recently) were lost as well. The fish did have a lovely texture though, perhaps the result of sous-vide cooking?

18: Jidori Chicken
Mesquite, Cornbread, Wildflower Honey, Spinach. All the rage these days, Jidori chickens are premium birds raised cage-free on all-natural grain diets. The result on the plate was chicken that almost didn't seem like chicken. The flavor was extremely mild, and the texture almost creamy (something quite atypical of chicken!). The spinach, meanwhile, added a resounding bitterness into the mix while the cornbread and its tough consistency proved to be a pleasing foil. Chicken and cornbread: reminds me of KFC!

19: Liberty Duck
Confit & Prosciutto, Barley, Shiitake and Tamari. I enjoyed the pairing of the rich duck confit with the salty prosciutto. The barley formed an almost risotto-like base for the duck, but the use of tamari (a traditional, low-wheat soy sauce) here made it a bit too strong. It actually drew my attention away from the duck.

20: Ocean Trout
Curry, Fennel, Sea Beans, Concord Grape. The trout had a flaky, salmon-esque consistency to it which I enjoyed, along with a strong, briny sea flavor. I think it would've been fine like this, but the taste was subsequently tempered by the sweetness of fennel and grape, which didn't work so well.

21: Crispy Pork Belly
Pea Leaves, Orange, Salted Cashew. On its own, the pork belly was almost too rich, too fatty. The key I found was to eat it with the pea leaves, which provided a crucial offsetting bitterness. This combination proved very satisfying. I avoided the orange sauce though, which I thought was overly sweet, and reminded me of sweet and sour pork!

22: Saffron-Braised Veal Cheeks
Chickpeas, Zucchini, Cherry Peppers. I usually think of veal as quite boring to be quite honest. This however, was far from it. Due to the braising, the veal was as tender as I've ever had, with a bit of sourness to it (due to the saffron probably), which made things interesting. The chickpeas added a well-placed, hard contrast to the softness of the meat and mashed potato.

23: Japanese A5 Kobe
Chanterelles, Haricot Verts. The standard meat here is Angus rib eye, though we paid a $43 ($35 on the menu?) supplement for A5 (the highest grade) Wagyu beef. I found the meat resoundingly rich and flavorful, not unlike a steak at CUT actually. With beef this good, the accoutrements were totally redundant.

24: California Lamb
Salsify, Medjool Dates, Thyme, Walnuts. I'm usually a big fan of lamb, but found this preparation lacking in flavor. Perhaps it was due to the cooking in a thermal immersion circulator (which circulates warm water over sealed bags of food at a precise, constant temperature), but this lacked the "lamb-y" goodness that I was looking for. Perhaps the lamb was meant as a canvas for the various accompaniments, but I found them far too sweet. This dish needed to be much more savory.

25: Roasted Venison
Onion, Brussels Sprouts, Huckleberry. This was one of the strongest preparations of venison I've had. It was somewhat similar to beef, but not nearly as fatty, but at the same time just as flavorful. I was afraid that the sauce might overwhelm the meat, but that simply just wasn't the case. As with the A5 Wagyu though, I found the other parts of the dish to be superfluous.

26: Idiazábal
Dates, Smoked Bacon Powder, PX. Idiazábal is a mildly smoky, nutty cheese made from unpasteurized sheep's milk, from the Basque region in Spain. The dates and PX (Pedro Ximénez) added a sweetness to the cheese, but the main flavor component here was the bacon, which melded so seamlessly with the cheese that the two were almost one. As I've stated before, bacon tends to make everything better, and here it actually reminded me of the Chinese rousong (dried pork with a fluffy texture)!

27: Bleu d'Bocage
Lillet Blanc, Pine, Pumpernickel. Bleu du Bocage is a goat's milk blue made in Vendée, France. It was actually relatively mild for a blue, with a bit of toast and tartness that was offset by the flavor of the Lillet Blanc (an apéritif from Bordeaux). I didn't get much of the pumpernickel though.

28: Mimolette
Apple, Chamomile, Juniper Shortbread. Traditionally produced around Lille, France, Mimolette is a cow's milk cheese with a distinctive orange hue (sort of looks like dried apricot in the photo!). It had a somewhat salty, nutty taste, with a hard complexion . The pairing of the cheese with its accompaniments seemed a bit odd, though palatable.

29: Monte Enebro
Ash and Mold. A Spanish cheese, Monte Enebro is made from pasteurized goat's milk. It had a great, tangy flavor with a smooth, creamy consistency, and was arguably my favorite cheese of the night. The exterior of the cheese is covered in mold, commonly referred to as ash, so I can understand where the "Ash and Mold" name comes from, but I still don't know what the two ingredients actually were. The "mold" did taste like yogurt, but the "ash" has me baffled.

30: Chaource
Frozen Lychee, White Ale. I'm a fan of rich, creamy cheeses like Brillat-Savarin and Camambert, so it was no surprise that I enjoyed the Chaource, an unpasteurized cow's milk cheese from Champagne, France. The cheese was a fantastic complement to the lychee and white ale, and eating all three components together was heavenly.

31: White Chocolate Cube
Orange Blossom Cream, Coriander, Pistachio, Sake. The work of Pastry Chef Jordan Kahn, this seemed more like modern art than a dessert. In addition to French Laundry, Kahn has worked at Alinea (a place known for its avant garde cuisine), and this definitely would not look out of place there. The cube had a surprisingly resilient shell, but once I broke through, I was award with a multilayered amalgam of apricot, pistachio, orange, and yogurt. It was a complex sweetness that was simply brilliant. If XIV needs a signature dessert, let this be the one!

32: Passion Fruit Curd
Tomato Marmalade, Jasmine, Cashew, Brown Butter. I tried the brown butter by itself, and my god, it was strong! But paired with the mildness of the curd, the intense flavor of burnt sugar actually worked pretty well. The effect of the jasmine and tomato was largely lost on me though.

33: Lemongrass Custard
Cola, Buttermilk, Sweet Potato-Yuzu Mochi, Saffron. The mochi here was immensely fascinating, and really was the star of the dish for me. Its light, fluffy texture formed a fitting contrast for the creaminess of the lemongrass custard and buttermilk, while the overall the taste was almost Thai-like in nature. Just be careful not to cut yourself on the saffron "glass!"

34: Bitter Chocolate Cream
Ube, Mozzarella Milk Ice, Elderflower, Violet. Sure, I've eaten gold plenty of times, but this was my first experience with silver! Looking like the ink from a metallic pen, the silver-infused sauce was simply mesmerizing. I had to concentrate to let it not distract me from the cake and the wonderful mozzarella ice cream, which was reminiscent of string cheese, but with more sweetness.

35: Hazelnut Milk
Frosted Celeriac, Tennessee Whiskey, Wood Ice Cream. The last course. Again, a very playful and inventive dessert. Celeriac is a kind of celery root, and here took a form not dissimilar to Frosted Flakes. We were instructed to mix everything up before drinking, again, a very Alinea-esque touch. The resulting concoction had a strong hazelnut base, punctuated by hints of wood and whiskey. Très cool!

Quite simply, XIV turned out to be surprisingly good. I came in expecting disaster, but Mina and company delivered on nearly every front, especially when considering that this was opening night. Despite some misses, the food was, in general, quite good. Some dishes were too ambitious, but for the most part, the unique combinations of taste and texture worked out marvelously. The staff is also to be commended for putting up with us and our "special" needs, especially Sommelier Christopher Lavin. And speaking of the staff, XIV's must have been the most beautiful I've ever encountered; indeed I certainly don't mind some eye candy both on and off the plate!

In any case, XIV is a serious restaurant, with serious food. My only concern is the target clientele, which didn't seem nearly as serious. I wonder if the Hollywood crowd will be enough to support a place like this, which is pretty much just a restaurant, with no "club" aspect to it. Time will tell, but in the meantime, welcome back to LA Mr. Mina!

Full review with photos: http://www.kevineats.com/2008/10/xiv-...

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    bad nono Oct 24, 2008 07:19 PM

    In the interest of scientific accuracy, my Frenchy self guesses the "far left" thing on your charcuterie plate might be Rosette de Lyon?
    Now for the rest 1) I'm jealous, 2) I'm jealous and 3) I'm jealous.
    Splendid review, now I need someone to take me there. Congratulations on your stomach capacity!

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    1. re: bad nono
      kevin h Oct 24, 2008 08:00 PM

      This meal definitely tested my capacity! I wasn't bursting as I was at French Laundry, but there was a slight discomfort.

      As for the charcuterie, it sure looks like it could be Rosette de Lyon. I can't be sure though. You'll need to go and try it to verify. ;)

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      schrutefarms Oct 24, 2008 06:35 PM

      We are going on Sunday in a pretty big group. I'm a little confused, though. Is it ONLY a tasting menu, or is that just an option? And do they have a full bar, or just wine?

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      1. re: schrutefarms
        kevin h Oct 24, 2008 07:54 PM

        It's a tasting menu only in that all the portions are tasting portions. However, the choice of courses may be left up to the chef, OR, you may choose. Either way, the entire table is supposed to get the same dishes.

        There is a full bar, with some very interesting specialty cocktails to boot.

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        nosh Oct 19, 2008 07:03 PM

        Great review, kevin. Both you and exilekiss posted very detailed accounts that really had me sharing each of your impressions, though unfortunately not the tastes. Nice photos, too.

        I'm confused about one aspect of the expense: It turned out you spent about $250 per person, which seemed to cover everything -- food, drinks, wine, tax and tip, even parking. Certainly an expensive meal, but factoring in multiple bottles of wine and drinks to start, not an unreasonable price point. But when I figure in the supplements, I'm confused. Were you charged $40 (yes, I know it should have been $60) times one serving for the caviar dish, times four for each diner, or times two if you were splitting? Same question for the $43 ($35) for the Wagyu. If each of these supplements was charged twice, as I'm thinking is correct, then that accounts for about $200 of your total bill when the resulting tax and tip is figured in. Yes, I know it is a splurge and a special night and caviar adds a certain elegance, but I'm still a bit of an uncivilized midwesterner and as hard as I try I still get a little grossed out by the tiny fish eggs! And in the midst of a dozen or two taste and visual sensations, I'd be even more interested in what Mina would do with an "ordinary" prime bit of beef.

        One last question: You said the concept is that everyone gets served individual servings of every item ordered for $8 per serving (with discounts available for multicourse tasting progressions). But my understanding is that in order to sample everything, you shared two servings among four diners, so each person basically ate half a serving of everything. Is that correct? Are the photos of the full servings that two of you then shared? Knowing your plans, did they offer to split the dishes in the kitchen? Or did things vary dish by dish as the different items made possible?

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        1. re: nosh
          kevin h Oct 19, 2008 07:48 PM

          I agree that $250 per person was pretty reasonable for the experience, though that figure doesn't factor in tip, which pushes the per person tab over $300.

          In any case, for the caviar, I was charged $40 twice, for a total of $80. We had 2 servings of the caviar parfait shared amongst 4 people. Similarly, the A5 Wagyu supplement was $43 twice.

          If you're not in the mood to splurge on caviar, I believe they offered paddlefish roe on the parfait for only an $8 supplement. I'm sure the parfait would've been nearly as tasty as with Ossetra. ;)

          You're correct in that we ordered 2 of everything on the menu, split between 4 people, so each person ate a half serving of everything. The photos show a single serving, which would be split between two people. They knew our plans, but it would be pretty unreasonable to ask that the kitchen split many of the dishes, since they're already so small! So everything came as usual to the table, and we made sure to split the dishes ourselves.

          1. re: kevin h
            J.L. Oct 19, 2008 08:57 PM

            Hmmm... Maybe this is another corporate account place...

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              nosh Oct 19, 2008 09:16 PM

              J.L. -- Certainly if you want to splurge on wine and caviar and Wagyu, it could be. But delicious, innovative, high-quality small plates at $8 per serving is more than reasonable. My goodness, a couple of years ago the rage on this board was the Opus tasting menu at $10 per course. And this is food from one of the foremost chefs currently working in the country.

              My worry is whether this concept can survive on the Sunset Strip. I'll tell you, while I'll show out-of-towners the area driving through, I avoid the neighborhood like the plague because of overpriced food, drinks, and particularly parking -- which except at Carney's is inevitably not only expensive but a hassle, with everyone having a palm out to be greased. While the bar may have been occupied at the opening, I wonder if it has the music and scene and velvet rope to bring in the clubbers and drinkers, especially without a burger on the menu. And while the menu might lend itself to a casual foodie dropping in early for a couple of small dishes on the way to a movie or stopping on the way home for those amazing desserts and a civilized glass of wine, a $14 valet fee (which the restaurant is not going to pick up for a light bite) along with the Strip's hassles is going to work against a casual clientele. Might have a much better chance of success in Beverly Hills, along La Cienega or La Brea, or along Third or Beverly.

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                Tony Oct 19, 2008 10:46 PM

                I had a question about the "All selections prepared for the entire table" policy. I don't eat seafood but my wife does. Does that mean either she doesn't order seafood or we only get meat? Or can we each have our own separate 8 orders food? Meaning 16 different items if we wanted.

                We are trying to find a place to eat for my birthday and didn't want to spend more than $60 or so. The other place we were considering was Grace for their 5 year anniversary $55 tasting menu. Any thought on this?

                Sorry Kevin. Didn't mean to hijack your post. But thought it would be a good place to ask about this.

                1. re: Tony
                  kevin h Oct 19, 2008 11:53 PM

                  The idea is that everybody eats the same items at the table, so you're not supposed to get 16 different items between 2 people. However, as I've shown, there is some flexibility in the rules. I think it may be up to your server.

                  I would have concerns about getting out of XIV for under $60 per person. It's possible, but you'd have to be very careful about what you order (like drinks). I haven't had the anniversary menu, but I was not impressed by Grace: http://www.kevineats.com/2008/05/grac...

                2. re: nosh
                  kevin h Oct 19, 2008 11:49 PM

                  I agree wholeheartedly about the location concern. Picking the Sunset Strip might mean appealing to the "wrong" crowd.

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            laurenb Oct 18, 2008 12:24 PM

            I had 11 courses and thought this is one of my best meals to date - including my recent 7 years living in SF. No doubt XIV is the best food in LA though I am not sure if everyone will think of it this way.

            I wish the pear in the tuna tartare stood out more but it was the best use of chili in tartare; many have attempted it and not succeeded.
            The chestnut truffle puree with the lobster was amazing to me. Nutty taste with the bold aroma of the truffle. Thick as well to hold up to those large chunks of potato and lobster.
            I agree with the consistency of the hen! It was a completely different texture. Maybe sous vide preparation?
            You will have to go back and try the artichoke with cavatelli pasta with truffle and pecorino cheese. The pasta artichoke were both al dente and bold.
            I have to say, I loved the huckleberry with the venison and wouldn't have liked the dish without it.
            Hands down though, the most impressive dish was the mimolette. All the the fromage are unreal! So innovative. Sadly my companions aren't as big of nerds as I when it comes to food but I would have insisted on at least 2 more courses of cheese after seeing what they were doing with it. I may return just for that.
            I enjoyed the passion fruit curd. I would never order it but when everything combined in one bite, it tasted like nothing i have never had before and that is very exciting to me. The Bitter sweet chocolate and the mozaarella ice cream was a very sad way to finish for me though.

            Everyone reading this must go [if it is in your financial means]!

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            1. re: laurenb
              mstinawu Oct 18, 2008 02:37 PM

              I agree. The cheese courses were really what intrigued me.

              1. re: laurenb
                kevin h Oct 18, 2008 07:36 PM

                XIV was strong, though I'd still have to give the "best in LA" title to Urasawa. ;)

                I can see the point about the pear in the tartare; I would've liked the chili to have a bit stronger actually. Tuna tartares are so popular these days that they tend to start tasting all the same after some point. Fortunately that wasn't the case here.

                Though our servers didn't mention it, I think the Jidori was probably sous vide.

                The sommelier actually mentioned the cavatelli, and how they replaced it with the risotto. How did you manage to have it? I know they were serving it at the previews.

                For the venison, the huckleberry was a bit too sweet for me, and tended to draw attention away from the natural flavor of the meat.

                Agree about the fromage. I'd never seen a presentation quite like what I had at XIV. I'm interested to see what they do in the future with the cheese!

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                fdb Oct 18, 2008 11:36 AM

                Thanks for the comprehensive review of the entire menu. You are doing the rest of us a great service. I've very much enjoyed Stonehill Tavern. Can't wait to try XIV.

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                1. re: fdb
                  kevin h Oct 18, 2008 07:24 PM

                  We all liked XIV quite a bit more than Stonehill, so hopefully you'll be in for a treat!

                2. lotta_cox Oct 18, 2008 07:44 AM

                  This was the issue a couple of reviewers had of STK Steak. There were lots of pretty people around NOT eating. I am beyond excited that Mina is in LA, as he is one of my favorite chefs. Maybe the non-eating crowd will stay away?

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                  1. re: lotta_cox
                    kevin h Oct 18, 2008 07:20 PM

                    There were definitely lots of pretty people around, many of which were dressed up as if they were headed to a club.

                    Perhaps the "non-eating crowd" will be the key to XIV's success, if they stay at the bar. Traditional wisdom says that the profit margins for the booze are quite a bit higher than the food. ;)

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                      troublemaker Oct 18, 2008 07:42 PM

                      You know, I was talking to someone a few months back who had flown in as part of the XIV's crew. Supposedly the whole small plates concept is suppose to play into the social nature of Hollywood, and was designed that way. They want big groups to come in and order something fun/communal. That's why there's such a plethora of menu choices.

                      Either way, I'm all for the continued success of Michael Mina. Fantastic review Kevin_h, can't wait to make our way over later next week.

                      1. re: troublemaker
                        kevin h Oct 18, 2008 07:49 PM

                        Yes, I think you're right. I remember hearing XIV being described as a "social dining experiment" and I do think part of the plan is to shape a new paradigm as to how people dine. In any case, hopefully it all works out!

                  2. J.L. Oct 18, 2008 04:07 AM

                    You eat like I eat - everything!

                    My personal record for # of courses still stands at 45, set by my 2nd visit to Urasawa.

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                    1. re: J.L.
                      mstinawu Oct 18, 2008 02:36 PM

                      Yea, but I don't consider a piece of a sushi a whole "course." More like a round. ;-)

                      1. re: mstinawu
                        J.L. Oct 18, 2008 06:39 PM

                        Tru 'dat...

                      2. re: J.L.
                        kevin h Oct 18, 2008 07:15 PM

                        Interesting. All three times I've been to Urasawa, the number of courses was in the 30-35 range. To get to 45, did you simply ask for seconds of multiple pieces of the sushi?

                        1. re: kevin h
                          J.L. Oct 18, 2008 11:43 PM

                          Yes, Hiro-san always asks me at the end of the meal if there is anything else I'd like.

                          The most courses I've had at Urasawa (before Hiro-san said "uncle") was 38, on my 3rd visit there.

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