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Looking for Peking duck w/ mantou (fluffy buns) not pancakes

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meh76 Oct 14, 2008 12:08 PM

I'd love to find the best duck in C-town (or elsewhere in Manhattan), but am really looking for crispy-skin duck served with mantou (the fluffy, white-flour buns) and not with pancakes.
Any ideas? Help!

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    kathryn RE: meh76 Oct 14, 2008 06:30 PM

    Not sure this place is around still:
    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/401041

    I think Golden Unicorn may do it in the white steamed buns rather than pancake wrapper. You can definitely get it that way in Flushing....

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      a_and_w RE: kathryn Oct 15, 2008 09:05 AM

      Manhattan Golden Unicorn does them that way too.

    2. guttergourmet RE: meh76 Oct 15, 2008 04:42 AM

      Eldridge Dumpling House will do duck on a sesame pancake and I remember momofuku early on would do duck occasionally in addition to pork belly.

      1. erica RE: meh76 Oct 15, 2008 05:35 AM

        Am I remembering correctly that this is a style served in Cantonese restaurants? The late Nice used to serve it this way..

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          Renguin RE: meh76 Oct 15, 2008 07:36 PM

          Where have you had this before? and by where I don't just mean locally? I've never seen it served this way in Beijing - not that its that farfetched.

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            Lau RE: Renguin Oct 15, 2008 07:47 PM

            most cantonese places serve it like that...in fact ill bet almost every big cantonese banquet halls in manhattan serve it like that. I've had it a few times in ctown and flushing, but none of the versions are all that great (the defunct Nice Restaurant had the best version); i recently had one at Imperial Palace in flushing, but its way ehh.

            that said its generally not real peking duck as they don't cook it the same way, cooking a real one requires that you have a pretty high turnover and most restaurants can't get the type of turnover you need.

            i actually like the cantonese version, but its not going to be exactly like the ones in beijing

            meh76 - Try one of the big banquet halls in ctown, I can't recommend a good one as none of them have been that great. Actually, I think Hling said that Nice Green Bo has a decent version (i dont like that restaurant at all, but I've been thinking of stopping by solely to try their peking duck)

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              Renguin RE: Lau Oct 16, 2008 07:08 PM

              what I would deduce from this is that these restaurants are just serving roast duck on mantou. As you said Peking duck and roast duck are similar but not really the same thing. Run of the mill cantonese roast duck won't leave you with the skin as crispy and so much of the fat rendered off. The onlyh place I've bothered to order Peking duck in NYC is Peking duck house where they do the pancakes.

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                Lau RE: Renguin Oct 16, 2008 08:07 PM

                thats exactly right and peking duck house does try to do it the real way although the place is just decent not great

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              shanghaiknights RE: Renguin Oct 15, 2008 07:55 PM

              Renguin-
              I've seen it like this in both Shanghai and Yunnan Province

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                Renguin RE: shanghaiknights Oct 16, 2008 07:10 PM

                I think the only time I had Beijing duck in Shanghai (living there, not visiting) was at Quanjude since its the famous beijing institution. While the duck was good, everything else was terrible and the service was bad too - total state owned restaurant scene. Now that I think about it I had had duck in mantou at other places but it was usually just some other variation of roast duck, not really Beijing style.

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                uwsgrazer RE: Renguin Oct 15, 2008 08:14 PM

                I've also seen it served with steamed bread. I'm pretty sure I had some Peking duck served this way when I was in Beijing this summer.

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                  kobetobiko RE: Renguin Oct 15, 2008 08:44 PM

                  Actually Reguin, almost all restaurants in Hong Kong serve peking duck with flour crepes and not mantou. It is sort of a "Manhattan" thing for Cantonese restaurants to use mantou.

                  Amazing 66, for instance, use mantou. but the peking duck was weak. Peking duck house, on the other hand, use crepes (though poor rendition of the crepes)

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                    cimui RE: Renguin Oct 15, 2008 09:23 PM

                    I've actually only seen this in CA, though I'm not all that well eaten in Hong Kong, Beijing or Shanghai (or NYC, for that matter).

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                      kathryn RE: cimui Oct 16, 2008 08:48 AM

                      Ditto -- growing up in California, I always associated Peking Duck with mantou.

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                        Lau RE: kathryn Oct 16, 2008 08:06 PM

                        ditto kathryn as i grew up in CA as well

                        i have had it in HK w/ mantou, but ive only had it a couple of times there b/c my main goal eating wise isnt peking duck when im there

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                        Chandavkl RE: cimui Oct 16, 2008 09:00 PM

                        Yeah, it was probably only after 25 or 30 years of eating Peking Duck that I realized that there was an alternative to the fluffy bun.

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                          cimui RE: Chandavkl Oct 16, 2008 10:16 PM

                          i had it with crepes for most of my life and didn't discover the mantou treatment until i moved to LA after college -- but think i do prefer it CA style. mantou makes a hella great foil for the crispy skin. ;)

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                      missmarym RE: meh76 Oct 27, 2008 02:44 PM

                      I had a pretty good duck on mantou at a restaurant called "ABC Restaurant" I believe, on Pell st. This was probably 2 years ago now so I don't know if it's still there. I also had great duck at a buffet in flushing a few months ago. can't remember the name but there are little food stands downstairs (including starbucks) and upstairs is the buffet and party rooms? East something? Maybe you can have just the duck downstairs.

                      I'm personally convinced that the peking duck house uses tortillas.

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                        PAULSCOHEN RE: missmarym Oct 28, 2008 01:20 AM

                        everyone seems to be getting hung up on mantou,"where's the duck?"

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                          kathryn RE: PAULSCOHEN Oct 28, 2008 09:10 AM

                          Everyone is hung up on mantou because the OP is specifically looking for duck with mantou, not pancake wrappers, which isn't easy to find in NYC.

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                        TarquinWinot RE: meh76 Oct 28, 2008 11:16 AM

                        From my time in Beijing I'm partial to the pancakes myself. However, if your love of mantou goes beyond duck, you might want to check out this place: http://nymag.com/listings/restaurant/...

                        It's a sandwich shop based around Mantou in Tribeca. I haven't had the pleasure yet myself.

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                          a_and_w RE: TarquinWinot Oct 28, 2008 11:21 AM

                          Very cool! Also, as I recall, the Dim Sum Go Go "hamburger" is served on mantou as well.

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                            kathryn RE: a_and_w Oct 28, 2008 01:48 PM

                            Province has closed
                            http://eater.com/archives/2008/10/the...

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                              Lau RE: kathryn Oct 28, 2008 05:14 PM

                              province was very mediocre, so you didnt miss much anyhow

                              btw if u head out to flushing, corner 28 has that stand that has peking duck sandwiches to go (they are pretty prototype cantonese style aka mantou) and i'm sure you can get the whole thing inside

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                                kathryn RE: Lau Oct 28, 2008 07:50 PM

                                They not true Peking Duck I don't think, though, they're roast duck, but for the price, I don't care much. :)

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                                  theskyflyer RE: kathryn Oct 29, 2008 04:27 AM

                                  AMAZING 66 in Mott Street serves the duck with buns, not thin pancakes.

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                                    kobetobiko RE: theskyflyer Oct 29, 2008 10:45 AM

                                    Hi theskyflyer,

                                    I did mentioned it in my post above, but the duck there is quite poor, so I will not recommend it.

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                                    Lau RE: kathryn Oct 29, 2008 11:55 AM

                                    yeah, but none of the NY places are real peking duck except peking duck house and i think even they skip steps

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                                      kobetobiko RE: Lau Oct 29, 2008 12:16 PM

                                      Lau, I agree with you. I don't think any of the places mentioned serve the real Peking duck. They are all practically roast ducks.

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                                        scoopG RE: kobetobiko Oct 29, 2008 01:29 PM

                                        Peking Duck House (both locations) serves an excellent version. I've had Peking Duck in Beijing, Hongkong and Taipei many times and it comes close to what I've had in Hongkong or Taipei - both places where they serve a bit less greasy or oily duck.

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                                          Lau RE: scoopG Oct 29, 2008 06:53 PM

                                          i need to go back there, it gets reviews across the board and its probably been 4-5 yrs since ive been there, so my memory of the flavors is getting dim

                                          btw i just remembered that i saw an old episode of Yan Can Cook the other day and he went to peking duck house and they actually showed them making the peking duck, it was sort of entertaining if u can find the episode

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                                      Miss Needle RE: kathryn Oct 29, 2008 02:40 PM

                                      They are indeed pretty cheap. I believe they recently raised their price to $1 a sandwich (from 75 cents).

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                                        Lau RE: Miss Needle Oct 29, 2008 06:59 PM

                                        btw my original point with corner 28 is that if ure used to the cantonese style peking duck / roast duck with mantou then this is pretty close to what i remember growing up in LA

                                        im pretty partial to anything with mantou and when i was a kid peking duck was one of my favorites (love the real version and the cantonese version)

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                                          kathryn RE: Lau Oct 29, 2008 09:56 PM

                                          Agreed! Definitely good if just for the nostalgia factor (and cheap price).

                                          I used to bug my mom for more mantou if there weren't enough at the table.

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                              plumtart RE: meh76 Apr 27, 2009 10:00 AM

                              Thanks for this post! Great question.

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