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dautcalm Oct 1, 2008 12:01 PM

Hi,

I'll be visiting in late October and I'm thinking of making a reservation for the tasting menu. Is it worth the 12,000 Yen? Is it an experience to remember?

  1. Robb S Apr 26, 2012 08:20 AM

    Tapas Molecutar Bar has announced a new chef - Koichi Hashimoto. He was the "right-hand man" of the previous chef, and worked at El Bulli before coming to the Mandarin Oriental.

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      prasantrin Apr 26, 2012 02:32 PM

      where did the previous chef go? Back to the US?

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        Uncle Yabai Apr 26, 2012 03:31 PM

        Or he split himself in two. He was half Japanese.

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          Robb S Apr 26, 2012 03:46 PM

          His website says he's available for private bookings.

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            Notorious P.I.G. Apr 26, 2012 10:20 PM

            Jacob Kear went back to LA with stints at AnQi, Lukshon, and Gonpachi. Recently finished a stage at Noma.

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              prasantrin Apr 27, 2012 07:10 PM

              So Jeff Ramsey has left, but is still in Japan and is now cooking privately (and has the intention of opening his own restaurant). Is he still in Japan? I looked at his website, and there was no mention of his location, so I wasn't sure. (I knew he was half Japanese, but thought he was raised in the US).

              And Jacob Kear (also half Japanese) also left and his back in the US (or is perhaps continuing stages around Europe?). Cool that he staged at Noma.

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                Notorious P.I.G. Apr 27, 2012 09:48 PM

                Ah gotcha, was never sure of who exactly the exec chef there was.

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                  quddous Jul 29, 2012 07:11 PM

                  If you are going for a show and have money to spend then this meal is worth it.

                  If you are going for amazing tasting food then this is not something you should be doing.

                  One dish we were served was a meringue dipped in liquid nitrogen. The meringue caused "steam" to come out of wherever you breathed out from. The steam coming out from my fiances nostrils made her look like an angry dragon after eating one.

                  They also do spherification in front of you. Very fun to watch.

                  This is among many other things.

                  Like I stated earlier, if you are going for a show then this is a delightful dinner.

        2. ilovefood80 Sep 16, 2011 03:35 PM

          Tapas is a fantastic restaurant for newcomers to molecular cuisine. As other have mentioned, the meal is relatively fast-paced due to the 2-hour time slot. However, it is a very personal experience as the Chefs go into detail about each dish. I enjoyed it very much and can only recommend it! The Oriental Lounge is in itself a fantastic place to lounge around and drink cocktails.

          You can read a full report on my experience at Tapas with lots of photos on my blog: http://www.theyoungfoodie.com/2011/09...

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            edwardspk Sep 8, 2011 08:10 AM

            Anyone been lately? I have a reservation for early October, on the first night we arrive in Tokyo (we're staying at the MO, so it will be convenient). Is the food still good?

            Also, the confirmation I received said the price was 40,000 yen. Is that right? I was not under the impression that it was as expensive as the most expensive 3-star restaurants. If it's really 40,000 yen, is the experience worth it?

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              Robb S Sep 8, 2011 09:27 AM

              The tasting menu is Y14,000 per person.

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                Blacken Oct 2, 2011 04:18 AM

                went there earlier in the year

                was pretty good if you like that sort of food

                The did have an amazing way of serving one of the courses - hadn't heard or read of it before so will leave it for you to find out

                Only one downside was cigars smoke while we were waiting to be seated

                They have a dedicated cigar area on the floor and got stuck seated near a smoker. Wasn't that close but the airconditiong didn't drag it away enough and we were nearly sick - not what you want before a nice meal

                Cheers

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                prasantrin May 5, 2009 06:00 PM

                My meal at TMB was last night. I wasn't sure if I would really enjoy it, but I certainly did!

                Not all of the dishes were successes, but overall I was quite happy with the meal. I especially enjoyed the squab (of the other meats, the lamb dish was overdone, and the sous vide beef was flavourless) and the sakura (the spring version of the blue hawaii) . I was fortunate to have an American chef there that night (perhaps he's always there, I'm not sure), so he could explain the dishes to me in English.

                The meal is now Y14 000, by the way. I didn't choose any of the set pairings, but I did have a very nice cocktail with my meal (cool sake, yuzu liqueur, sudachi juice, and tonic water--I can't remember the actual name of the cocktail, though). It was light enough to match most of the dishes quite well.

                Although I did enjoy my meal at TMB, I'm not sure I'll be in a hurry to try the new June courses. Molecular cuisine certainly has its place in the world, and it can be quite fun, but I prefer more a more traditional style of cooking with small touches of molecular, rather than a lot of molecular with a little traditional.

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                  Uncle Yabai May 5, 2009 09:09 PM

                  Unless they've changed chefs, the chef is still (and has always been) Jeff Ramsey. His mother is Japanese.

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                    prasantrin May 6, 2009 12:31 AM

                    The chef there that night was named Jacob, I think. I asked if he had been there since they opened, thinking he was the chef de cuisine, but he said he had only been there for a year and a half. But yes, his mother was Japanese (he didn't look it at all, though--not even a hint of Japanese, but boy was he fluent!).

                    I just looked at a picture of Jeff Ramsey, and this guy wasn't him. Jeff Ramsey definitely looks a lot more Japanese than the chef there last night (plus the chef last night had blond hair from what i could tell). Maybe they're related? Jacob said he was from CA--born in Northern CA, but did all his cooking in Southern CA.

                    Back to the food. . . I think for me, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meal was because many of the textures produced by molecular cuisine are similar to textures already present in Japanese cuisine (like those slimey, gelatinous ones). I don't know if I'd have enjoyed it as much had the flavours been more Western.

                    Oh, I asked a lot about the serving pieces, thinking many would have been produced for the restaurant (like with Ryugin), but Jacob said pretty much everything is purchased from ordinary outlets. He said a lot of the pieces are from Mitsukoshi, in fact. I quite liked the very dainty silverware, though I can't imagine how someone with larger, bulkier hands would enjoy using it. I have very small hands, and even I found the smaller silverware to be a little akward to use.

                    Here's a picture of Jacob making the Okinawan grape seaweed.

                     
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                      Uncle Yabai May 6, 2009 01:14 AM

                      Maybe Jeff was off that night, long holiday week in Japan this week.

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                      lost squirrel May 11, 2009 07:17 PM

                      When I went awhile back, the chef was new and I think it may be the Jacob guy. He was half Japanese and had only been at the place for about a week.

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                        cigarmedic4 Jan 20, 2011 09:01 PM

                        Jeff was born in Okinawa, his mother was born in Hiroshima.

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                        Peech May 7, 2009 10:42 PM

                        I enjoyed my meal at TMB 2 years ago. It was AFTER my trip to El Bulli so there was no "wow" factor, but it's a cheaper meal and a lot easier to book. My only complaint was the pace of the dishes since they needed to do two seatings.

                        http://chi-he-wan-le.blogspot.com/200...

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                        prasantrin Apr 16, 2009 09:50 PM

                        Could anyone tell me approximately how long it takes to do the tour? If I do the 6 pm sitting, would I be able to finish by 9:30?

                        I'm taking the night bus to Tokyo (save on transportation, spend on food!), and I'd like to take the 10:30 bus back to Osaka from Nishi-Shinjuku, though I could also catch a bus leaving at 11 pm if the TMB tasting menu will be longer. I'm dining alone, so I won't have much conversation interrupting my eating! :-)

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                          Robb S Apr 16, 2009 10:11 PM

                          You'll be sitting at the counter, and each of the 25 or so tiny courses is served to everyone (all seven diners) at the same time. The whole meal is tightly choreographed, and it ends in plenty of time to make room for the 8:30 seating.

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                            prasantrin Apr 17, 2009 12:16 AM

                            Thanks! That kind of makes it sound a little, ummmm. . . , unappealing, but I think I'm still up for trying it. Six o'clock it is!

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                              lost squirrel Apr 17, 2009 01:25 AM

                              It's not that bad really, its a parade of small plates. I think it's timed pretty well overall, if not just a teeny bit rushed. Avoid the wine pairing and just grab a glass of what you like. With 6 or 7 wines spread over 20+ courses, you're better off just enjoying the drink and not bothering with matching the food and beverage.

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                                Robb S Apr 17, 2009 01:44 AM

                                Indeed it's very entertaining. And I agree about the wine pairing; just drink something you like.

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                            taryn Oct 14, 2008 01:18 AM

                            Ok there were many reasons I loved my experience at TMB.

                            1. It was my birthday
                            2. The chefs were nice/talkative
                            3. Some dishes were FANTASTICALLY YUMMY ( 3 out of 24 I will never forget)
                            4. Even the "misses" were still enjoyable! I mean, yeah, manchego cheese ice cream in an apple tuille isn't something you are going to crave again, but it's still fun, interesting and enjoyable!)
                            5. I hadn't eaten in a nice place since I moved to Japan because I'm poor.
                            6. I got special presents from the staff (my birthday)
                            7. I had good company and lots to drink

                            It was special and memorable for the reasons mentioned above, and I think that if you are excited about the meal and have appropriate expectations, you'll have as much fun as we did. I still smile when I see the photos and my mouth does water (especially that scallop dish).

                            Also with regard to Ryugin, I did enjoy my meal there, but I have to say I enjoyed TMB more. Of course I was at Ryugin with my boss and it wasn't my birthday, but also as I posted over a year ago, some of our dishes were misses though I would like to return for another try.

                            Oh and a lot portions are tiny, some aren't really substantive at all, but the quantity is pretty amazing. I wouldn't say we were stuffed after, but we weren't hungry.

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                              lost squirrel Oct 1, 2008 07:07 PM

                              It's definitely an experience to remember. I went around Xmas time and the price was a good bit higher, we had around 24 courses matched (not so greatly) with 6 or 7 glasses of wine.

                              I took my little sister for her birthday and she still raves about the experience, she says that I'll never be able to match it again.

                              barleywino is right, there are some hits and some misses but even the misses were pretty cool.

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                                Asomaniac Oct 2, 2008 02:11 AM

                                Cool, thant makes me look forward to going. The portions are tiny, right? I am having a bit of a culinary marathon in a few weeks' time, when we are booked into sushi Kanesaka for lunch, then Molecular Tapas in the early evening and from 9 p.m. Ryugin. Both my friend and myself are big eaters, so we thought the mini-tapas might be a nice distraction between main meals.

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                                  Uncle Yabai Oct 2, 2008 06:48 AM

                                  Don't be fooled. Although the portions are small, there are lots of them, and frankly, a fair number of them include some shocks to your stomach, like eating CO2 pellets. Although you may not be full, you'll certainly feel bloated. Ryugin after that will be wasted, in my opinion.

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                                    Asomaniac Oct 2, 2008 05:38 PM

                                    The problem is that a really good mate is visiting, who I have shared an eating passion with since we were 10 and at school. We have over the years travelled to about 25 countries for food. He is only here from Friday night to Monday morning, so we have to squeeze in a lot in a very short time (L'Osier Fri dinner, Kanesaka, Ryugin, Molecular, Aronia, Aso). Maybe we will not go for the biggest meal at Ryugin.

                                    Did you enjoy the tapas bar?

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                                      lost squirrel Oct 2, 2008 06:58 PM

                                      You will be pretty full after Tapas, check here for a picture set of what we ate:
                                      http://flickr.com/photos/lostsquirrel...

                                      It's a pretty long meal as well, how early are your reservations? Good luck with all that eating!

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                                        Asomaniac Oct 2, 2008 07:03 PM

                                        Resrveations are for 6 pm at the tapas bar, and 9 pm at Ryugin. I read somewhere that there are two sittings, at 6:30 and 8:30, but we were able to book for 6. They requested that we show up 10 minutes early, so hopefully that means that the actual start of the dinenr will be at 6 rather than 6:30.

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                                          mrnyc Oct 6, 2008 08:46 PM

                                          wow what an interesting slideshow - thx for doing it.

                                          im not sure i would bother to go for that kind of meal while in japan, but it looks like great fun.

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                                            lost squirrel Oct 7, 2008 07:50 PM

                                            No problem, I think my sister would have killed me if I didn't take pictures to help her remember.

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                                          pauliface Jan 24, 2011 12:54 PM

                                          Skip L'Osier and go to Ryugin or Tapas that night instead.

                                          I went to Tapas and I would definitely recommend it, but I do have some criticisms nonetheless. They mostly concern the pacing, which is too rapid for my taste. All 8 (9?) of you are served at the same time and it's kind of like a show. But left to my own devices I prefer a slower pace.
                                          The upshot of this is that I do NOT recommend the wine pairing. It's too hard to keep up, or even keep track of what goes with what. I'd just order a nice bottle of white or champagne (usually I prefer red but white would go better).
                                          As for the food itself, it's fun and trendy and creative and has soom better and some worse courses. But I love that myself, the experimental aspect is what makes it really fun.

                                          Go. From the sound of you and your friend's relationship, I bet you will love it.

                                          But L'Osier was a huge letdown, and if you are well traveled you may feel so as well.

                                          Ryugin on the other had, well, I think that's my favorite restaurant in Tokyo.

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                                          pauliface Jan 24, 2011 12:55 PM

                                          Duh, here I am responding to a 2+ year old question. Well, I stand by my opinion nonetheless.

                                    2. barleywino Oct 1, 2008 12:27 PM

                                      i was there a couple weeks ago and quite enjoyed it. Not every dish was a home run but it was a lot of fun with the chefs preparing/plating and talking right in front of you and some nice surprises. PS try the 88 cocktail in the lounge beforehand.

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