560496 Fri Sep 26 15:14:03 -0700 2008 39 21 The Best 0 4064502 Who’s turning out the absolute best pizza in NYC today? Here are my favorites. The ratings are based on the taste of the best sausage pizzas I have recently* had from each place. 1. Trattoria Otto Zero Nove (Arthur Ave, Bronx) 2. Nick’s (Forest Hills) 3. Giorgione’s 4. Lucali’s (Carroll Gardens) 5. Gnocco 6. Grimaldi’s (DUMBO) 7. Giovanna’s 8. Bettola 9. Marco Polo (Carroll Gardens) 10. Luzzo’s Honorable Mention: L & B Spumoni Gardens (Bensonhurst) Sam’s (Carroll Gardens) L’asso DiFara (Midwood) Arturo’s (SOHO) This is in comparison to: Patsy’s (East Harlem, University, UWS, W 56th), John’s (Bleecker), Lombardi’s, Franny’s (Prospect Heights), Vinny Vincenz, Totonno’s (Coney Island, UES, and Gramercy), Naples 45, Otto, Denino’s (Staten Island), Lil’ Frankie’s, Two Boots (West Village), No. 28 Carmine, Trattoria Anna Maria, Posto, Lazzara’s, Adrienne’s, Piola, Dee’s (Forest Hills), Angelo’s (W 57th), Cafe Centosette, Pizza 33 (14th St/6th), Waldy’s, La Pizza Fresca, Mariella, Artichoke, Dean’s (UWS), Nick’s (UES), Fornino (Williamsburg), Joe & Pat’s (Staten Island), Gotham, Pala, Il Fornaio, Al Forno, Giorgio’s, Mimi’s, Cafe Amore (14th St), Pintaile’s (UES-91st), Louie & Ernie’s (eastern Bronx), among countless others. There are a few of the restaurants listed among the top 10 and honorable mentions above that I have visited only once. I subscribe to the philosophy expressed by Vince Staten and Greg Johnson in their book "Real Barbecue": "A good [restaurant] can have a bad day. But we have confidence in our selections because we don't think the converse is true: A good place can have a bad day but a bad place can never have a good day." (A few of the restaurants mentioned do not ordinarily serve sausage/mozzarella/tomato sauce pizzas but agreed to add sausage to their standard margherita pie at my request.) Some places that I would have included in a list of the best in the past have fallen off their game and can no longer be included (eg, Nick's on Upper East Side, which is actually where I get 90% of my pizzas from simply because it's close to where I live). All of the top 10 and the honorable mentions are based on whole pies (some of the others listed at the bottom were just slices). *I sampled (or resampled) each of the top 10 and the honorable mentions within the past few months. I also visited most of the others listed in this post within the past few months. However, there are a few places listed at the bottom that I have not been to in a year or more (because I did not care for their pizza). I am posting this on the Manhattan board because I focused on Manhattan restaurants. The list includes a few restaurants from other boroughs because they were superior (eg Otto Zero Nove and Nick's) or otherwise noteworthy (DiFara, Lucali). Of course, everyone has his or her own pizza preferences, so your taste experience may be different. Fri Sep 26 15:14:03 -0700 2008 48389 racer x 1 4064589 Isn't the most fair test only tasting their standard margherita? Fri Sep 26 15:44:55 -0700 2008 4064502 10936 kathryn 2 4064911 Not sure what you mean by "fair." Is it fair to include pizzerias that only serve DOC pizzas with pizzerias that serve pizzas with processed cheese product mozzarella? Or with restaurants that serve gluten-free pizza? I chose sausage pizzas for 2 major reasons: (1) I love sausage pizzas and wanted to find the best versions around the city out of pure selfishness; and (2) plain margherita pizzas are too easy -- most NYC pizzerias make pizzas with crappy sausage, but many, many pizzerias make good margherita pizzas -- comparison of their sausage pizzas was a great discriminator. I found a number restaurants had delicious pizzas except for the sausage. Seeing how well the sausage works with the pizza is, I think, the best test of the chef's ability. I suspect that NYers as a group don't demand the highest-quality (tastewise) sausage pizzas, and pizzerias don't feel obligated to provide them, because most NYers don't know what good-tasting sausage pizza should taste like. It's a vicious cycle. Take a look at the pizzas in the frozen food sections of Manhattan grocery stores -- it's hard to find any sausage pizzas (aside from the occasional sausage and pepperoni frozen pizza)! Go to Chicago, for instance, where the pizzerias have terrific sausage pizzas, and you'll find plenty of different brands of sausage pizzas in most grocery stores. Fri Sep 26 18:17:19 -0700 2008 4064589 48389 racer x 3 4065217 Oh, I was just thinking that thin crust + a topping = a soggy, heavy pizza which might be misleading about the pizzeria's quality (pies that just aren't designed to hold toppings). Agreed that NYers usually don't demand sausage (I usually don't order sausage pies) so you could make the argument that it's more useful to gauge pies by what people actually order. Aside from plain, I'm not sure what the most common single topping is. Pepperoni? Really, it would be interesting to have two columns for your ratings: for the unadorned pie and for the pie with a single topping, and see how they diverge. Fri Sep 26 21:32:42 -0700 2008 4064911 10936 kathryn 4 4077614 I think as long as he's consistent, it's valid, though I agree it would be nice to see a similar test done solely on cheese pizzas. Thu Oct 02 13:49:24 -0700 2008 4065217 18466 a_and_w 3 4176677 Surprised to see Luzzos sausage made it in the top 10?That in particular really dissapointed me on a recent visit.Thanks for bringing some other places to my attention though racer. Sat Nov 15 17:05:39 -0800 2008 4064911 130312 xny556cip 1 4076474 I'm throwing in my vote for PALA on Allen near Houston. Was just there last night and had the amazing arrabiata (cherry tomatoes, garlic, chile, +$2 for the buffalo mozarella). Every time I go there I am impressed by the freshness / variety of their toppings and their crust (pretty thin and crispy with a little bit of chewy bite in the middle). So good! I am always surprised this place doesn't get more love on the boards / blogs. I've been to most of the celebrated pizza spots in NYC (inc di fara, lucali, una, etc) and in my book Pala ranks up there with the rest of them (and no crazy ass wait like at di fara). if you haven't been you should. btw I still don't get the hype about artichoke. thought that place was very meh. Thu Oct 02 06:55:36 -0700 2008 4064502 51611 SoylentGreen 2 4076643 I didn't like the one pizza I had from Pala much (reviewed Aug 30). http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/381360 Thu Oct 02 08:08:21 -0700 2008 4076474 48389 racer x 1 4076579 Your numero uno should read Trattoria Zero Otto Nove (O89)...Which I must try since I have heard so many good things about it. It is a bit of a hike for me though. I agree that Marco Polo is really good and wonder why it does not seem to get a lot of business. Thu Oct 02 07:43:29 -0700 2008 4064502 100626 boccalupo 2 4076631 Thanks for the correction, boccalupo. A little dyslexia there. Thu Oct 02 08:04:35 -0700 2008 4076579 48389 racer x 2 4076681 I'd love to try this place (089), but they don't take reservations, and I'd hate to schlep all the way out there from Hoboken and be shut out. How big is the place? Is it generally crowded or not too bad? I was thinking of Sat. night, but could do a weeknight too. Thu Oct 02 08:23:47 -0700 2008 4076579 124339 bnemes3343 3 4175349 you wont need a reservation, go there, zero otto nove is great Sat Nov 15 04:36:37 -0800 2008 4076681 11476 intrepid 1 4076696 Here are some addresses Thu Oct 02 08:28:43 -0700 2008 4064502 48389 racer x 1 4077608 For the life of me, I'll never understand how Grimaldi's makes anyone's list of top pizza places -- above DiFara no less! But to each their own, I suppose... Thu Oct 02 13:47:31 -0700 2008 4064502 18466 a_and_w 2 4077641 I think a lot more people have maybe been to Grimaldi's than DiFara. Because even though Grimaldi's is pretty good if you eat-in, it's not in the same league as DiFara. Thu Oct 02 13:57:50 -0700 2008 4077608 124339 bnemes3343 3 4134708 I'm thoroughly familiar with both Grimaldi's and DiFara's. I've eaten in and taken out from Grimaldi's on many occasions. Grimaldi's isn't half as good as it used to be, but it's still better than most other places (including DiFara's). Tue Oct 28 12:24:25 -0700 2008 4077641 48389 racer x 4 4135098 Disagree, though I'm factoring the square into my judgment. Tue Oct 28 16:13:03 -0700 2008 4134708 18466 a_and_w 2 4134595 Totally agree. Grimaldi's is so overrated and shouldn't be above Difara. Waldy's on 6th ave and ~28th st is pretty good as well. Tue Oct 28 11:31:40 -0700 2008 4077608 235799 itchynscratchy 3 4134620 I like Waldy's too, especially the pepperoni, but skip the lamb and preserved lemon pizza. Tue Oct 28 11:41:48 -0700 2008 4134595 18466 a_and_w 4 4134700 Waldy's didn't do it for me. The cheese mix reeked. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/481100 Tue Oct 28 12:20:43 -0700 2008 4134620 48389 racer x 5 4134974 How about Una Pizza Neopolitana Tue Oct 28 14:46:16 -0700 2008 4134700 159519 tabs 6 4135260 Never tried it. (A basic requirement for inclusion in this survey was sausage pizza.) Tue Oct 28 18:03:41 -0700 2008 4134974 48389 racer x 5 4135101 Yeah, there's definitely something sharp in that cheese (aged provolone?) though I personally like it. Tue Oct 28 16:14:26 -0700 2008 4134700 18466 a_and_w 1 4138404 Patsy's 117th and 1st ave Full Moon Pizza 187th and Arthur ave. The only places I go. Thu Oct 30 08:17:15 -0700 2008 4064502 173090 Bingo The Cabbie 2 4141832 I'm a very picky eater and I have to say that even though Grimaldi's attracts a lot of tourists the pizza is among the best that I've had. I also like Otto and Patsy's but they are completely different and no where near Grimaldis. Fri Oct 31 17:39:55 -0700 2008 4138404 65585 jackieparis 3 4553744 It seem like Pizzerias are opening like spring flowers right now! Two more worthy of a mention are Neapolitan - Keste on Bleeker St ( V.Good ) and Tonda in the EV.Also Mezzaluna took over the short lived DeMarco (?) space on Houston,though i've yet to try it.Good luck Tue Mar 31 06:57:30 -0700 2009 4141832 130312 xny556cip 4 4562423 Mezzaluna did not impress. Perhaps they will improve, but not yet worthy of mentioning on a The Best list. Thu Apr 02 15:59:22 -0700 2009 4553744 48389 racer x 3 4972611 Grimaldi's is inferior to Patsy's East Harlem imo. Mon Aug 24 09:26:32 -0700 2009 4141832 18466 a_and_w 4 4988972 a_and_w, your pizza tastes and mine are polar opposites. I think I have tried Patsy's East Harlem three or four times over some 15 years or so and hated each pie I got there. (Never had a slice there.) I much prefer pizzas from the other Patsy's over the East Harlem Patsy's, although I don't really like the other ones all that much either. Sat Aug 29 14:48:13 -0700 2009 4972611 48389 racer x 5 4990351 I respect your opinions racer x, but I've noticed our tastes are opposite, too LOL! I get the vibe that you prefer more Neapolitan and NY-Neapolitan style pies. No surprise, therefore, that Patsy's East Harlem disappoints you every time. IMO, it's basically a NY street slice cooked in a coal oven. Sun Aug 30 10:31:30 -0700 2009 4988972 18466 a_and_w 1 4574306 My 2 favorite "designer" pizzas at the moment are the Puta d'Mare at L'asso (I believe it's mozzarella, ricotta, shrimp, artichokes and broccoli rabe) and the Popeye at Co. (pecorino, gruyère, buffalo mozzarella, spinach, black pepper, garlic). Just had the Keste pizza at Keste a few nights ago and don't think it quite lived up to the above 2, but their simple Regina Margherita was delicious. Have not yet been to Neopolitana but it's next on my list. Tue Apr 07 06:12:13 -0700 2009 4064502 274714 rushbikes 1 4647924 Just tried Difaras for the first time and was disappointed. Maybe it was all the hype, maybe it was the anticipation of tasting one of the supposed best pizzas in NYC after waiting over an hour. Or maybe it was just not what I would consider a fantastic slice. Was the slice good? Yea it was good. Was it great? That is actually a tough question. I think that it could have been great if I could have actually tasted what makes a pizza so good in the first place. The sauce. I could not taste the sauce because it was overcome by the Parmesan cheese. Another thing that I didn't like was the enormous amount of basil. If you were eating it blindfolded you would have thought it was a pesto pie. If the pizza had more sauce maybe it would have balance out the use of the basil and cheese but without it it just tasted like an oily cheesy pesto pie. The crust was very good though. My favorite pizza is still L & B. the squares are heaven. It is what a pizza should be. the sauce and crust are fantastic. It's no wonder that some pizzerias have on their menu "L & B squares". I have never seen another pizzerias name mentioned in another pizzeria anywhere but L & B. That says something about how good it is. Sat May 02 08:00:50 -0700 2009 4064502 27180 MFARMARCO 2 4649395 Agreed on DiFara. Highly overrated by zealots. The pizza's good, but not remotely worth what you have to go through to get it. What time did you go, and how long did you wait for your slice/pie? For my money, Una Pizza Napoletana is the best in the city, but I love the pizza from Lucali, Grimaldi's, John's (mated to a pitcher of beer, of course), and Giorgione's. The sausage slices from Sal & Carmine are terrific- I love their sausage. Never tried L&B. Sat May 02 22:33:13 -0700 2009 4647924 66744 powermd 3 4652746 Please. UPN and Grimaldi's are, in their own ways, as much of a hassle as DiFara. I would gladly put up with the lines at DiFara for a square slice. But I personally won't tolerate the pretentiousness of UPN or the tourist trap that is Grimaldi's. I also would go to Arturo's over John's any day of the week. Different strokes for different folks, I guess... Mon May 04 10:09:59 -0700 2009 4649395 18466 a_and_w 4 4657343 i just came from zero otto nove on arthur avenue. ate at the bar, which has a window to the kitchen. i was served a sausage and broccoli rabe pie about 10 seconds after it left the brick oven. it was out of this world -- thin crust perfection with the right balance between crust and toppings. Tue May 05 17:01:07 -0700 2009 4652746 69187 biga290 3 4942875 Just in case someone new to NYC or just visiting the area comes across this thread: as previously noted on Chowhound, Una Pizza Napoletana has closed. http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/una-pizza-napoletana-has-closed-will-reopen-as-motorino/ Thu Aug 13 07:55:31 -0700 2009 4649395 48389 racer x 2 4971613 Good assessment of Di Fara's. I cannot stand the excess oil and the tremendous amount of basil. Pesto pie is a good characterization. Sun Aug 23 22:09:56 -0700 2009 4647924 255446 Gigi007 3 4972805 There is nothing remotely pesto about the pie at DiFara. Mon Aug 24 10:15:39 -0700 2009 4971613 18466 a_and_w 4 4972815 a_and_w, please see MFARMARCO's post above which I commented on. Again, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, and I am guessing that the excessive olive oil and basil on Di Fara's pizza influenced MFARMARCO's influenced description, which I happen to agree with. Mon Aug 24 10:18:28 -0700 2009 4972805 255446 Gigi007 2 4972847 The grated cheese at DiFara is Grana Padano, not parmesan. Also, are you comparing the round slice at DiFara to the squares at L&B? That's apples to oranges. Love the square at L&B but square at DiFara is superior imo. Mon Aug 24 10:26:02 -0700 2009 4647924 18466 a_and_w