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I read this in the morning news.

http://www.wptz.com/news/17539127/det...

Amazing!

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  1. Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.
    H. L. Mencken

    This has to rank as one of the dumbest ideas jfood has ever heard.

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    1. re: jfood

      Just mind-boggling how idiotic PETA can be sometimes. They've definitely jumped into the deep end without their swimmies this time.

      1. re: jfood

        This is PETA though- they reign supreme on the dumb idea front. Let's just take breast milk away from babies who need it to make ice cream that no one will want to buy. Sounds like a brilliant idea.

      2. Slow news day, hmmm?

        On the flip side, here's a story about a genuinely beneficial use for breast milk:
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12222...

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        1. re: rockycat

          I saw this yesterday and almost vomited at the thought.

          (I'm replying to the OP, not Rocky Cats link)

          1. re: amanda3571

            Although If you want to laugh at the thought instead you can go back and reread Vol. 5 of thesneeze.com's Steve, Don't Eat It!

            http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/...

          2. re: rockycat

            there are milk banks here for donation/use here too just FYI. my SIL had pumped and stored lots of breast milk before the decision was made that her daughter was just SO allergic to milk protein that they needed to stop. She donated hers. It's great that the options are out there.

          3. Another radical idea coming from PETA, their ideas, and directives are so insignificant to most people in the U.S..

            Im glad the PETA(People Eating Tasty Animals) I belong to isnt so ridiculous. :-)

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            1. re: swsidejim

              Now that is a PETA I think I could join.

              The other one has gone way beyond ridiculous in most of their views.

              1. re: NE_Elaine

                I agree, PETA had a good premise to begin with, but it has been hijacked by the fringe radicals.

              2. re: swsidejim

                There is really no end to the stupid ideas that human beings will rally around.

              3. Human milk?

                There is soy milk, almond milk, rice milk...

                1. Hey it's not April Fool's Day...they must be serious.

                  So..........which CH is going to Storchen restaurant in Switerzland to check out the soups and such made with human milk, sighted in PETA's letter?

                  1. In the eternal words of Rachel Ray, Yummo!

                    Might work in seedy porn shop if the milk is fresh, but I don't see a naughty movie featuring Cherry Garcia any time soon, although my guess is you add 'Poppin' to the front and make it ethnic.

                    Has anyone ever raided PETA for drugs or just plain old bad/revolting ideas?

                    1. Ben and Jerry haven't owned Ben and Jerry's for quite some time.

                      Guess PETA is too busy protesting to keep up with the business news....

                      1. Doubtful we'll be seeing cartons of Chunky "Now fortified with human breast milk!" Monkey on the grocery store shelves. So do all the PETA people have a quart in their fridges next to the soy margarine? Remind me not to ask for cream in my coffee when I go to visit.

                        1. When I first read your headline, I thought it was some sort of tongue-in-cheek Far Side-esque point PETA was trying to make -- you know, having women confined in cubicles, being fed only grains, with their nipples attached to tubes being milked everyday so that the Ben and Jerrys cows could enjoy a cone of chocolate human milk ice cream. But when I watched your newslink, I was shocked to find out that they were serious. I think they would have made a much better point treating it as a joke.

                          1. New breast milk B&J flavors will include Boob-berry, Lactation Sensation, and Mammary Mudslide...and the retail stores will forgo charging by the scoop, serving instead by cup size ("Give me a D of Mammary Mudslide with chocolate sprinkles - in fact, make that a Double D").

                            Can't wait. :)

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                            1. re: Striver

                              ROFLMAO!!! BEST response to this ultimate insane silliness, Striver!

                              1. re: Striver

                                Make mine a nipple'nilla or a chunky bumpy.

                              2. SO how much do you figure a gallon of breast milk would go for? Seeing as people demand more than grain and water, lunch breaks, time off for soreness (it'll be the next Tennis elbow), I don't think anybody will be buying ben and jerry's at those prices! They're steep enough now. btw, how much would a person make on the job, how do you control quality and how do you handle equal opportunity?

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                                1. re: Icantread

                                  Thanks, Icantread, for the equal opportunity laugh. This is ud....no, can't say it; let's just say ridiculous.

                                  Still blowing milk through my nose,
                                  Cay

                                  1. re: cayjohan

                                    Cay! So glad to see your post! I had been wondering and worrying where you had gone! Hope the milk has cleared the nasal passageways.

                                    I do have a question about the whole human milk thing. I assume they would pasteurize the milk prior to turning it into those eh-hem - delicious new flavours. But would this be enough to prevent transmissible diseases? HIV is probably not an issue as the virus is very fragile and would probably not survive pasteurization. But how about Hepatitis B and C?

                                    Hmm. I feel a bit silly taking this topic seriously. But if I take the equal opportunity thing and run with it, there is a good chance I'll cross some line and get deleted.... Better for me to go practice milking rats.

                                    1. re: cayjohan

                                      Cayjohan, I'm glad PETA's letter was beneficial in some way.

                                      Moh, it really would be something vital to figure out, especially if you wonder who would be willing, while it's still taboo, to be milked for the sake of ice-cream (10,000 peta employees?)

                                  2. Typical PETA publicity stunt. They're more interested in being outrageous than actually doing anything to advance animal welfare. Besides, they aren't really interested in animal welfare, as many of the things they do actually hurt animals (freeing caged animals, euthanizing dogs and cats because they're better off dead than "slaves") -- what they're really interested in is using animals as a vehicle to express their hostility towards humans.

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                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                      Just another brainwashed group angry because no one pays them a decent wage to be angry and intolerant.

                                      1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                        you reminded me of an old Onion (hey, that's food related) parody of this problem...

                                        http://www.theonion.com/content/node/...

                                      2. While I think the idea if farfetched, I always wondered why people (and I include myself) are disgusted by the idea of drinking breast milk from people but not from cows. Human milk is ideal and designed for people. Cow's milk isn't. At the same time, I have no problems drinking milk, even directly from the cow, but couldn't bring myself to lick breast milk to test if it was warm enough.

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                                        1. re: chowser

                                          You're right, it's an odd taboo but it is a widely held taboo. After all, breast milk is good for our babies, why are we squicked out at drinking it ourselves? Maybe the taboo evolved to keep babies from having to compete for sustenance with adults, or even older children.

                                          1. re: chowser

                                            I think after you've been weened...it becomes a no-no. Okay seriously, human milk is obviously made for humans. I think the sexual overtones, Freud and such makes it an odd one. I also think it's a very limited supply meant for very specfic uses -- baby food.

                                            I mean, if you're talking human milk, why not talk about dog milk, rat milk, etc. I'm just as grossed out by the thought of those as well.

                                            1. re: ML8000

                                              True. No dog milk for me. In a discussion on a dog forum someone came up with the "adults [dogs] can't drink cows' milk because they don't drink it in nature" rationale, to which I replied that the fact that adult animals don't drink milk "in nature" is more about lack of access than biological ability to digest milk. Since a dog can't milk a cow, the only way it could access milk "in nature" would be by suckling the cow, and believe it or not, most cows aren't down with that!

                                              Likewise, humans drink milk from animals that have udders such that milk can be obtained fairly easily. Milking a rat (or even a dog) would be difficult, especially for the return on effort!

                                              1. re: ML8000

                                                Well... I didn't mean breastmilk directly from the source...;-)

                                                We do use buffalo milk and goat milk, though. Maybe it's milk from animals we eat? No, who drinks pig milk? I think it must be ease of attaining it. Can you imagine milking a rat?

                                                1. re: chowser

                                                  Goats have udders, and I assume buffaloes (being in the bovine family) do, too. I'm willing to bet that in a lab somewhere, some graduate student has the job of milking rats for some kind of research!

                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                    Do pigs have udders? I wouldn't be surprised if a grad student had to milk rats. They're stuck with some crazy chores. Maybe rat milk just doesn't taste good. Besides, you'd have a milk for a long time to get a sip. Negative calorie food.

                                                    1. re: chowser

                                                      Pigs do not have udders, and as you pointed out, we don't drink pig milk. I'm hard pressed to think of a milk that humans routinely drink that comes from an animal that doesn't have an udder (in addition to various bovines, camels and yaks come to mind, and don't the Masai drink horse milk?).

                                                  2. re: chowser

                                                    I was thinking that maybe it has something to do with the milk coming from herbivores and not omnivores.

                                                    But I've not a clue - and this is an interesting discussion.

                                                    1. re: ElsieDee

                                                      That is an excellent point, lower on the food chain in this day in age means a whole lot less toxins over time. Might make for an interesting study period, toxins in mother's milk.

                                                      1. re: Icantread

                                                        >>lower on the food chain in this day in age means a whole lot less toxins over time.

                                                        They should look to milking fruit flies then.

                                                        I still think they did it for the PR effect. They do good work otherwise.

                                                      2. re: ElsieDee

                                                        I've also wondered why we eat herbivores but not omnivores or carnivores, other than sea creatures, for the most part. My friend said it might be because herbivores won't eat us back. Pity the first person to try to raise a herd of tigers for food.

                                                      3. re: soupkitten

                                                        I think this is an appropriate time for the "Meet the Parent's" line:

                                                        Greg Focker: "You can milk just about anything with nipples."
                                                        Jack Byrnes: "I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?"

                                                        1. re: kmcarr

                                                          that was a great line. gotta love de niro.

                                                  3. Ain't gonna happen. Those cows have a pretty tough union.

                                                    1. Dumb, dumber, and dumbest. They (PETA) have enough of a tarnished image problem without starting this absurdity. Next thing you know, they'll suggest 3rd world country mothers whose children have died to contribute! How to end global poverty and save animals in one swoop. Pathetic

                                                      1. Can I do the milking? sorry

                                                        1. As a former vegetarian, (and a former champion lactator) -- I find this bizzare and actually insulting. If PETA is totally turning off potentially supportive, crunchy-ish folks like myself, what actually is the point of these kinds of ads? It is all egocentric "look-at-me-ism" couched as a cause.

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                                                          1. re: gridder

                                                            While they do good work with fur coats, this is too bizarre to be true. Or is it.

                                                            I wonder if it would look something like this?

                                                            http://www.mamapop.com/mamapop/2007/1...

                                                          2. Lobster Mama Ice Cream?

                                                            1. moron-o-mania.

                                                              truly, these PETA people are scaaaarrryyyy they are so twisted.

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                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                They want to buy the old jail in Skowhegen, Me. to turn it into a lobster prison. Lock people up so they know how the poor lobber feels!

                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                  Couldn't they just ask those felons who are already in prison how it feels? :-)

                                                                  1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                    they give lunatics a bad name!

                                                                2. B&J's new slogan:

                                                                  "You've tried the rest, now try the breast."

                                                                  (Sorry. Odd thoughts hit you at 4 in the AM.)

                                                                  1. Retarded. PETA's just pissed because they can't experience the awesomeness (is that a word?) that is Ben & Jerry's ice cream.

                                                                    1. This has been discussed on another forum I read, The Straight Dope.
                                                                      http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/s...

                                                                      Some of the better names they've come up with:

                                                                      Nipple Ripple
                                                                      A Pail of Two Titties
                                                                      Dulce de La Leche League
                                                                      Chocolate Suckle
                                                                      Banana Nicole Smith
                                                                      Bralines and Cream
                                                                      Yummy Mummy
                                                                      I Can't Believe It's Not Mother

                                                                      OK, back to your regularly scheduled programming!

                                                                      Betcey

                                                                      1. Does PETA realize there are not enough cows in Vermont to supply B&J's and they have to supplement from out of state and can no longer say "from Vermont cows" as they did initially? Anybody there calculate how many lactating women would be required? Single file, the line would equal the earth's cirmference.
                                                                        And meanwhile, what do the babies drink? Chinese formula? Beer?
                                                                        If calves are more important to PETA than healthy babies, let them eat veal...
                                                                        EDIT: But there is good news.... a FAQ on the B&J website is whether pregnant women can safely eat their product, and the answer is a resounding yes! So for all the milk a woman pumps out and sells for $3.79 a gallon (phew! lotsa work), she can buy some of it back for 4 bucks a pint.

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                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                          man, veggo, organic cow's milk is $4 a half-gallon!

                                                                          1. re: alkapal

                                                                            Whales milk is extremely high fat. think all the ramifications of the ice cream. Woo!

                                                                            1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                              So's milk from rabbits - so high in fat that they only need to nurse the babes once or twice a day (Once raising orphaned baby rabbits we have to supplement kitten milk replacer with heavy cream in order to approximate the mother rabbit's milk fat levels - and we still need to feed every couple of hours.)

                                                                              1. re: ElsieDee

                                                                                So is elephant seal milk -- up to 55 percent fat! Bet it tastes fishy, though.

                                                                                1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                  B&J could use elephant seal milk in their Phish ice cream.

                                                                                  1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                    chunky monkey ice cream now takes on a more sinister note.....

                                                                        2. I don't drink cow's milk either....never been a fan of the stuff and prefer soy milk....however, i'm beginning to think that someone's been slipping something into PETA's morning coffee and it's not milk. I was never a subscriber to their extremism even with the fact that I disagree with alot of corporate farming practices and unethical treament of animals, but I became repulsed with them the minute they jumped on the bandwagon following the horrific death of a young man on a Greyhound bus by comparing it to the slaughter of animals for food. That went above and beyond low IMHO and that should have made them lose any credibility with anyone who thinks they have a grain of sense.

                                                                          With regards to this particular mention....outside the fact that I could never see B&J's getting the public to buy into such a thing (can't see them going for it to begin with but whatever), how could something like this ever be regulated? Cows can carry enough diseases, but i'm pretty sure they don't carry some of the ones that humans can tote around in their bodily fluids. I sure as hell hope that restaurant in Switzerland did some major medical testing on the milk they paid women for.

                                                                          Besides which, if it's unethical to keep cows in a state to produce milk all the time, how exactly do they propose to keep women producing the same quantities of milk? I'd much prefer seeing any excess human milk going to feeding babies who may be out there who can't access such a thing.

                                                                          And are there studies that show that the harmful effects coming from drinking cow's milk as an adult, would be any less if we were all sitting around as adults drinking human milk?

                                                                          1. I think PETA has a really good point. People have no problem drinking and eating other animals milk, so why not drink they're own. I'm not saying that I would do so but you have to understand that they're just trying to get a point across. And for those of you that think they would be taking breast milk away from babies, what do you think we do when we take cow's milk away from them.

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                                                                            1. re: marietinn

                                                                              Human mothers can continue to lactate after the baby is weaned, if "pumped". Ever hear of wet nurses?
                                                                              By inference, canibalism over beef?

                                                                              1. re: marietinn

                                                                                i believe it is clear the cows are HAPPY when their bulging udders are milked!

                                                                              2. Sounds like PETA was just trying to make a point. From PETA's website:

                                                                                Update: In response to our letter, Ben and Jerry's issued the following statement: "We applaud PETA's novel approach to bringing attention to an issue, but we believe a mother's milk is best used for her child." Hey, guys, that's our point: Cow's milk is for baby cows.

                                                                                http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/09...

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                                                                                1. re: Linara

                                                                                  yeah, PETA is always trying to make a point. that doesn't mean they are GOOD points, though.

                                                                                  1. re: alkapal

                                                                                    I think it was a stroke of PR genius. For both them and Ben and Jerry's.

                                                                                    PETA got more free publicity than you could buy in a year.

                                                                                    Good for them. They do good work and I hope they continue to do so.

                                                                                    1. re: dolores

                                                                                      As for the free publicity - there *are* times when bad publicity isn't worth it. This is one of those times. They just show themselves as nutjobs, and people end up being *more* dismissive of anything they're involved in.

                                                                                  2. re: Linara

                                                                                    jfood agrees that cow's milk should also be saved for baby cows.

                                                                                    gotta keep them growing strong so some good steaks can come down the pike for the grill.

                                                                                    1. re: jfood

                                                                                      ...and don't forget that milk-fed baby cows make for very tasty veal chops.

                                                                                      1. re: jfood

                                                                                        I agree 100%. Dont let the baby cows go undernourished.. I need them to grow up stong, and healthy to provide me with the prime beef I love to eat.

                                                                                        1. re: swsidejim

                                                                                          I think you guy's would be thinking differently if you saw the conditions in which these animals live.

                                                                                          1. re: marietinn

                                                                                            ill bet your wrong.

                                                                                            1. re: marietinn

                                                                                              marietinn, milk cows live in bad conditions? how so?

                                                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                I wasn't just talking about dairy cows, I was talking about animals in general. And I believe that anyone or thing pumped full of hormones to make them continually lactate is in a bad condition. Furthermore, the veal you guys talk about eating, you do realize it's a baby cow that isn't able to move. What if someone locked your child away and kept them from walking, for the sole purpose of keeping it tender for the consumption of others.

                                                                                                1. re: marietinn

                                                                                                  mmm... veal, I like veal almost as much as I like a big, prime, rare steak... :-p

                                                                                                  1. re: marietinn

                                                                                                    i haven't said a word about meat, so don't count me in "you guys"....

                                                                                                    1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                      Our Mr. Steak was lovingly cared for and so was Sally the pig; great chops on that babe. About to start raising goats for meat next spring, much lower maintainance.
                                                                                                      Check out PETA and the Rockland Lobster Festival.

                                                                                                    2. re: marietinn

                                                                                                      There are good ways of raising animals for food (including veal) and bad ways; there are humane farmers and there are reprehensible meat factories. It's up to those who care to encourage the good and discourage the bad - just as there are ways of growing fruits and vegetables that hurt the soil and the general ecology and ways that do not.

                                                                                                      Your generalizing doesn't help - and probably antagonizes more people than not; better to point out the choices we have and try to persuade people to choose the more desirable ones.

                                                                                                      1. re: Striver

                                                                                                        well said, striver.

                                                                                                  2. re: marietinn

                                                                                                    Jfood understands all the issues about humane, and rotating crops and organic and carnivore, and vegetarian and vegan and the like and respects everyone's choice on how they live their lives and eat their food.

                                                                                                    But jfood is a proud card-carrying carnivore and enjoys his choices. Yet he will never take swipes at the other side of the coin. Years ago his cousin and her husband, who at that time were devout veggies would not allow any meat in front of them in jfood's house. Whether that is acceptable or not, jfood prepared and ordered all meals to satisfy his guests for the weekend.

                                                                                                    But he enjoys his meat, praises anything that the industry can do to make his meal's life a little better. But at the end of the day, jfood has decided that being a carnivore is how he will eat.

                                                                                            2. Potential names for Ben and Jerry's new breast milk ice cream:

                                                                                              1. Nipple Ripple
                                                                                              2. Double D-licious
                                                                                              3. Tasty Pasty
                                                                                              4. B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Banana
                                                                                              5. Motorboat Mango
                                                                                              6. Funbag crunch
                                                                                              7. Bra-Buster Bars
                                                                                              8. Leave it to Cleavage
                                                                                              9. Mammary-sus cup
                                                                                              10. Cookie and her cream
                                                                                              11. Lusciously Lactic
                                                                                              12. Bodacious Boobie Berry
                                                                                              13. The Twin Peaks Sundae (with cherries on top)
                                                                                              14. "What-a-melon!" watermelon
                                                                                              15. Bazooka Joe (coffee flavored ice cream)
                                                                                              16. Moose-rack
                                                                                              17. Silicone Sister Sorbet
                                                                                              18. Pendulous praline
                                                                                              19. Jiggly crunch
                                                                                              20. Tahiti Teat
                                                                                              21. Titillating Tiramisu
                                                                                              22. Cookies and Creamers
                                                                                              23. Mama's Mammary Madness
                                                                                              24. Busted Cherry non-virgin Vanilla
                                                                                              25. Back off, Junior! mint

                                                                                              What is shelf life on mother's milk. They better have a used by date, here's how it should read.

                                                                                              "Breast if used by 34/24/34".

                                                                                              Container sizes would now be referred to as "A" cup, "B" cup, "C" cup, etc.

                                                                                              Sugar-free sundaes could be referred to as "falsies"

                                                                                              You could get your ice-cream in an extra large SILI-CONE

                                                                                              Push-ups would never be the same

                                                                                              "Saggy" sundaes would be served with the cherry on the BOTTOM

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                                                                                              1. re: agrafixman

                                                                                                ...and from other sick minds:

                                                                                                Mamamallow & Chocolate tit
                                                                                                Mum Raisen
                                                                                                Butter-slut Crunch

                                                                                                1. re: clamscasino

                                                                                                  hmmmm, "Butter-slut Crunch" --- i think dr. freud would be pondering that one....
                                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_...

                                                                                              2. I can't help thinking about production ramifications. Would the donor's diets be restricted since it can impact flavor? With so many donors, how could they maintain their flavor footprint?
                                                                                                And although I've only tasted my own milk (oh come on! who wouldn't try it at least ONCE? Especially people on this site!), I assume different people have slightly different flavors that aren't related to diet?

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                                                                                                1. re: sebetti

                                                                                                  yeah, no broccoli eatin' lactaters need apply....

                                                                                                  1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                    "yeah, no broccoli eatin' lactaters need apply.."

                                                                                                    What, "broccoli n' cream" doesn't appeal as a flavour?