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raybon Sep 16, 2008 01:39 PM

First time poster, long time lurker looking for an answer. Where do you go to get fresh fish from the great lakes. I am constantly let down by the options we have in Toronto. Most pickerel, trout and whitefish seems to be farmed or brought in from outside Ontario. I have asked fishmongers in the SLM for fish from lake huron, erie or georgian bay and have never been offered fish from these lakes. I know from experience (lucky enough to be in these areas) that there is a fishery in Byng Inlet on Georgian Bay and one in Bayfield on Lake Huron (never tried fish from Lake Erie, I have heard it is too shallow to produce a clean flavour). I went to Diana's last weekend and they were no help either. Why are Ontarians shut out of freshwater fish?
Thanks,
Ray

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    hillsy Jul 17, 2010 02:47 PM

    in Nobel, just north of Parry Sound and just up the hill after the Esso/Tim Hortons there is a fish place called Le Page Fisheries (705-342-5825)on the right hand side of Hwy #69 (east) run out of the guy's house. He is the guy who actually does the fishing. He sells fresh/frozen/smoked whitefish/ lake trout and pickerel. I bought some frozen whitefish off him the other day and he gave me crushed ice to fill the cooler with as well. The fish is top notch and i have had it many times. long way to go but if you are up in the area, check him out

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    1. re: hillsy
      JamieK Jul 18, 2010 03:35 PM

      Interesting. I wonder if he's related or associated to the LePage fishery I mentioned above near Lafontaine / Penetang -
      http://www.goldbook.ca/Brechin/Fish-S...

      I actually spent some time a few years ago at friends who have a summer home near Nobel. I thought I'd surprise them with fresh fish for dinner and was frustrated not to be able to find any at the grocery store in town. I figured, come on, we're near Georgian Bay, French River and Lake Nipissing and no fresh fisth? So, good to know if I ever visit again.

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      downtownfoodie Mar 21, 2010 01:18 PM

      Couple of fishmongers in Kensington had "fresh, line-caught ontario pickerel" last week. Guess that could be just about any of the great lakes but it was definitely fresh and tasty.

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      1. re: downtownfoodie
        DockPotato Mar 21, 2010 02:30 PM

        ..."fresh, line-caught ontario pickerel"...

        The operative word there is "line." I'd be very sceptical about that line. I think they're "lyin'."

        Anyone with a commercial licence and Walleye quota uses gill nets or trap nets.

        Yes, your fish were fresh and tasty and if i were still in TO I'd be down there.

        1. re: DockPotato
          JamieK Mar 21, 2010 04:12 PM

          I agree. There's something fishy about that "line-caught" claim.

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            jayt90 Mar 21, 2010 04:22 PM

            Well, it could mean amateur fishers, bringing their daily catch from Lake Erie, or Georgian Bay to a fishmonger in Kensington. I would buy that, and expect it to be fresh.

            1. re: jayt90
              DockPotato Mar 22, 2010 03:03 AM

              It is illegal to sell "recreationally-caught fish" and even getting commercial product to the counter is a weighty process. No, it sounds like creative marketing which I wouldn't let stand in the way of a good meal.

              Incidentally, there is one mainstream source for freshwater fish - Sobeys. Pickerel and Whitefish are common at our local store. Hopefully this is the case for GTA as well.

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                SNACKeR Mar 22, 2010 06:46 AM

                Not sure where you are located DockPotato, which Sobey's is this?

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                  DockPotato Mar 22, 2010 10:13 AM

                  Kincardine. I saw Whitefish last saturday and Walleye the week before.

                  They even have a whole Shark about 3 feet long which I've never seen anywhere. Needless to say, the Shark was not local : )

                  The only Sobeys I'm familiar with in Toronto is the one at Yonge & St. Clair which I doubt very much would fit this bill at all. I would assume that there is uniformity of product chain wide but may be wrong.

                  1. re: DockPotato
                    jayt90 Mar 22, 2010 05:18 PM

                    Sobey's in Pickering is good, with a dedicated staff. Some of the lake fish is farmed, some of it caught. They cut their Pacific Halibut (not quite in season yet) from a large carcass.

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                  SitaGG May 16, 2010 10:15 AM

                  I would be a little sceptical about your pickerel being from the Great Lakes from Sobeys. I used to shop at one and found out what they were selling as locally caught pickerel was in fact a European pickerel that is farm raised. Great product, but certainly not "local". BTW, it was in Kincardine, interestingly enough!

                  1. re: SitaGG
                    haggisdragon Jul 17, 2010 04:49 PM

                    How exactly did you find this out?

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            jack_sprat_ca Jul 18, 2010 04:44 AM

            What about the First Nation supplying fish? In North Bay you can buy fresh caught pickerel and whitefish from licenced Native fisherman that comes from Lake Nipissing. They have a decent quota that I'm sure they sell commercially. This may be the line caught fish you see, although I know they do net the fish also.

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            First Nation
            , Stratton, ON P0W, CA

            1. re: jack_sprat_ca
              Splendid Wine Snob Jul 18, 2010 09:52 AM

              This is exactly what I was going to suggest.

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            smartalex Nov 9, 2009 05:26 PM

            I can't help but think of The Erie Beach Hotel in Port Dover and home of the famous Lake Erie Pickerel and Perch dinners. Step back in time and enjoy your fish with some pickled pumpkin served from their salad cart.

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            Erie Beach Hotel
            , Port Dover, ON N0A1N0, CA

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              NorfolkGuy Nov 10, 2009 05:38 AM

              Hey All, Just a reply to the Erie Beach Hotel comment. it"s exactly as stated, "a step back in time", but with 75+ yrs in business, they've perfected their menu. For locals, its not really a go-to spot for lake fish ( a touch pricy). The port dover area has many small but tastey eating spots serving Lake Erie perch, pickeral, trout, whitefish, smelt, etc. Back to the original post, you might enjoy a day trip to the port dover area. There are 2 places selling fresh or smoked fish straight of the dock basically.

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              Erie Beach Hotel
              , Port Dover, ON N0A1N0, CA

              1. re: NorfolkGuy
                grandgourmand Nov 10, 2009 07:18 AM

                Can you provide names and locations? I get to Port Dover about once a month. Usually for a Knechtels fix. But I'd like to pick up some fish too.

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                  16crab Mar 20, 2010 10:11 AM

                  I know this is an old thread, but I would also like the names and locations of these places if anyone can provide. Thanks!

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                    jayt90 Mar 20, 2010 11:21 AM

                    I have enjoyed wild lake fish prepared in shore-side places at Killarney, Wiarton, Tobermory, Bayfield, Goderich, Sarnia (Purdy's under the bridge) Kingsville, Port Stanley, and Port Dover. They are all easy to find, although some may not open until May 24, they are right on the shore where the fishing boats dock. Many will sell fresh fish or frozen fillets to take home.

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                      shekamoo Mar 20, 2010 12:48 PM

                      any specific names in Killarney, Wiarton or Tobermory? Thanks!

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                        longolame Mar 21, 2010 09:51 AM

                        Howell's Fish in Wiarton. 153 Division Street. It's to the west of the main downtown street, up the escarpment hill. I'm a fan of the Lake Huron whitefish.
                        Just do a google search and you'll see maps and reviews for Howell's.

                        I used to buy from Raney's Fish Store (519-596-2492) in Tobermory, but I've been told (unconfirmed) that they've closed the business.

                        See here for whitefish from Raney's:
                        http://torontovore.blogspot.com/2007/...

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                        Howell's Fish
                        153 Division St, South Bruce Peninsula, ON N0H, CA

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                          shekamoo Mar 21, 2010 11:03 AM

                          thank you, just the kind of info I was looking for

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                        SitaGG May 16, 2010 10:11 AM

                        Raneys is indeed closed. If you want to sample some fresh whitefish in Tobermory, the best restaurant to go to is Shipwreck Lee's. While other restaurants try to pass off other species for Georgian Bay whitefish, you get what you order at Shipwreck's. Fun spot too, pirate theme, entertaining servers, delicious food!

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                        Georgian Bay Restaurant
                        48 Main St, Penetanguishene, ON L9M1T2, CA

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                The Berserker Feb 15, 2009 07:16 PM

                I don't agree with what you've heard about Lake Erie fish. Try Minor Fisheries in Port Colborne -- about a two hour drive from Toronto -- for fresh perch, pickerel, etc. The Lake Erie shore in Niagara seems to be more on the radar for Buffalonians than Torontonians.

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                  Mushka Feb 15, 2009 07:04 PM

                  This is a good question, Raybon, since we are all trying to eat as locally as we can. I was in Silver Spoon on Roncesvalles last week and had an absolutely delicious Ontario Rainbow Trout. I was delighted to find local fish.

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                  Silver Spoon
                  390 Roncesvalles Ave, Toronto, ON M6R2M9, CA

                  1. Veggo Feb 15, 2009 01:43 PM

                    The best part of catching a lake trout in Lake Ontario was the thrill of the catch and the photo. The fish was as tasteless as a can of spackle.

                    1. jayt90 Sep 18, 2008 11:29 AM

                      Many fish we consider to be wild are successfully farmed now. This includes pickerel (often labelled walleye), char, trout, and striped bass.
                      Much of the pickerel or trout offered in Ontario stores is farmed. The quality is good, but if you are looking for fresh fish from the Great Lakes, you will have to ask about the source.

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                      1. re: jayt90
                        DockPotato Sep 18, 2008 01:00 PM

                        I have not heard of farmed Pickerel, not to say that it's not available.

                        There is indeed a large harvest from the Great Lakes. A day trip to a fishing port would present you with the following species: Perch; Walleye: Lake Trout; White Bass (white perch); White Fish; and possibly Carp and Freshwater Drum. There are occasional catches of various Herring types as well. None of the Salmons, or Trouts (with the exception of LakeTrout) may be fished commercially. Nor may Pike, or Smallmouth and Largemouth Bass.

                        A deal of the catch is sold locally, but the majority is trucked to New York and much of that is shipped to China for processing!

                        With the exception of Lake Ontario, the fish from all the lakes are generally safe, even Lake St. Clair.

                        Raybon's question is a good one and has puzzled me for years as well. Toronto is a Great Lake port yet its people eat aged fish from elsewhere rather than something fresh from 3 hours away.

                        Toronto fish markets exist for the amusement of Maritimers.

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                          tjr Sep 18, 2008 07:18 PM

                          Farmed pickerel is available, though how widely, I'm not quite sure. As my family has a lot of avid fishermen, a week at the cottage is generally filled with meals of fresh catch, and a lot of pickerel. I love it, but I get my fill during the summer :-)

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                            tjr Sep 19, 2008 11:01 AM

                            I got some fresh, wild pickerel from Loblaw's. They weren't sure from which body of water it originated, and it's $2.20/100g. I think?

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                              DockPotato Sep 19, 2008 02:54 PM

                              That price is good. At loblaws it would probably be about the same freshness as, say, sole, tuna or mackerel etc. from a good fish monger. Did you enjoy it? Can you comment on comparisons?

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                                tjr Sep 19, 2008 04:18 PM

                                It's actually very good, especially for the price (and effort)! Not as good as caught then filleted and cooked on shore, but a lot of that is taste derived from the experience :-)

                                No odour, the fish was very fresh and very delicious. I'd definitely recommend it.

                        2. re: jayt90
                          Wiley Nov 8, 2008 05:46 AM

                          If you read medical experts like dr mercola, farmed fish are not healthy to consume.

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                          julesrules Sep 18, 2008 10:40 AM

                          Fresh from the Farm on Donlands carries frozen and smoked, not fresh, trout and whitefish. Their supplier might be the Akiwenzies, not sure.

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                            goofibulator Sep 17, 2008 01:40 PM

                            Andrew and Natasha Akiwenzie sell their fresh and smoked Georgian Bay whitefish and trout at Dufferin Grove market, south of Dufferin & Bloor and across from Dufferin Mall. Thursdays from 3pm to 7pm. Usually the fresh stuff sells out fast. The smoked fish is sublime!

                            If you're looking for Andrew's smoked fish and can't get to the market, you can get it anytime at Multiple Organics at Dundas & Sheridan (west of Dufferin).

                            There was a place on Roncesvalles, south of Dundas, east side that sold fresh whitefish: I don't recall the name of the place and don't know if they still carry it. Seems to me it was a butcher shop that sold fish as well.

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                              basileater Sep 18, 2008 10:33 AM

                              The Akiwenzies are also at the Riverdale Market on Tuesdays.

                              I have seen fresh and frozen Great Lakes fish at the Healthy Butcher (Eglinton location, but if it's at one, I don't see why it wouldn't be at the other). They had two or three kinds, including pickerel and I believe trout.

                              I bought some pickerel from the HB and I have bought fresh whitefish and trout and the smoked fish from the Akiwenzies and found it all very fresh and tasty. I think you can order from Akiwenzies in advance for the next week's market if there is something in particular you would like.

                              1. re: goofibulator
                                GoodGravy Sep 18, 2008 11:18 AM

                                Smoked whitefish you say? I don't suppose you could also get some fresh cream cheese and bagels at the same place? Add some tomatoes and capers and you got a nice meal there.

                                1. re: goofibulator
                                  aser Feb 16, 2009 12:12 PM

                                  fish is available at both Healthy Butcher locations. It's sourced from Daily Seafood, a wholesaler commonly used by many restaurants and fish purveyors in the city.

                                  http://www.dailyseafood.ca/welcome.html

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                                  childofthestorm Sep 17, 2008 12:29 PM

                                  I bought some really nice pickerel at the shop on the Danforth, I forget the name, Athena maybe?

                                  1. JamieK Sep 16, 2008 02:26 PM

                                    I've wondered about the same thing regarding sources in Toronto. I can tell you that when we're up in Simcoe County we get very fresh Georgian Bay fish -- pickerel (mmm, tasty!), white fish, trout -- from LePage Fish Sales near Lafontaine. I know they supply area restaurants, you might check with them to see if they ship to anyone in TO. Contact info at link -
                                    http://communitylink.cioc.ca/details....

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                                    Lepage Fishery
                                    6 Lafontaine Rd W, Tiny, ON L9M, CA

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                                      Snarf Sep 16, 2008 02:09 PM

                                      Fresh might be a challenge, but you can get many varieties of frozen local fish at Culinarium on Mt. Pleasant.

                                      I think the foiks mentioned at the Brickworks fish out of Huron, near Wiarton.

                                      Another option might be Howell's fish in Wiarton, if they can ship, or if they do ship to anyone local.

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                                      1. re: Snarf
                                        jayt90 Sep 16, 2008 02:31 PM

                                        There was a supply of fresh fish from Georgian Bay at Dufferin Grove market (Thursdays), but I haven't confirmed that this year (too far for me).

                                        You can get lake Erie fish in the port towns: Port Burwell, Port Stanley, and Kingsville. The water is clean. The supply is limited because of quotas, and also because U.S. sport fishing curtails the supply.

                                        Goderich harbour has fresh fish, as well as Purdy's under the bridge in Sarnia.

                                      2. midtowngirl Sep 16, 2008 01:58 PM

                                        There is a guy at the Brickworks Farmers Market on Saturday morning that sells fresh and smoked whitefish and trout that is locally caught.

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