557064 Sat Sep 13 08:23:19 -0700 2008 20 23 Ontario (including Toronto) 0 4031811 Stuck at home today due to a mysterious bout of food poisoning and making a wish list of where I would eat if I could... Couldn't help but notice that the aptly-named Sin and Redemption gastropub has opened across from Redemptorist-run St. Patrick's Church. My young priest friends in the rectory are genuinely thrilled, though their older parishioners are a little perturbed. Seems like a great venue for a future Theology on Tap or after-Church indulgence! Has anyone overindulged in their bistro offerings or 32 beers on tap? Any idea of price range for main courses? Sat Sep 13 08:23:19 -0700 2008 14906 Food Tourist 1 4075632 Although the beer list is pretty impressive, so far the food is a sin. Avoid the braised beef flatbread pizza and the frites. Eat dinner before you go! Wed Oct 01 17:58:03 -0700 2008 4031811 14906 Food Tourist 2 4075728 i heard they have delirium available, but what else is impressive about the list? is most of it available on tap or by the bottle? Wed Oct 01 19:12:11 -0700 2008 4075632 10634 pinstripeprincess 3 4076562 They do have Delirium available on tap. There are a couple of other good Belgian beers there too on tap. Everything else is in the mediocre range. The place is better than most sports bars, dives and frankly most bars in Toronto but isn't as good as the better beer places in town. The tap list is quite long. We had the meat, cheese, veggie and crackers platter. Meh. Thu Oct 02 07:35:17 -0700 2008 4075728 20209 lister 4 4077192 lister, which "couple" of other ones were good? what were the "mediocre" ones? Chow! HL. Thu Oct 02 11:26:59 -0700 2008 4076562 49536 HarryLloyd 5 4077500 http://sinandredemption.com/menu_beer.php That's the list. Opinions are plenty on what are good, mediocre and bad beers... Thu Oct 02 13:14:30 -0700 2008 4077192 20209 lister 6 4079172 i'd actually consider that a pretty promising list on the belgian front. now the question is how much are they charging? i'm finding that many of the beer bars in toronto are just charging far too much and raising their prices regularly. why pay $30 for a rogue when i can get it in buffalo for like $8! Fri Oct 03 08:13:07 -0700 2008 4077500 10634 pinstripeprincess 7 4079285 16oz domestics 5.50 (one for 4.50) 16oz imports 6.50 10oz-12oz premiums 4.50-5.50 not bad if you ask me. Chow! HL. Fri Oct 03 08:46:54 -0700 2008 4079172 49536 HarryLloyd 8 4079638 sounds pretty damn reasonable. can't stand paying min $8-9 a pint at beerbistro anymore. Fri Oct 03 10:59:40 -0700 2008 4079285 10634 pinstripeprincess 8 4080301 And they were willing to pour me a half-pint, which was even cheaper. Fri Oct 03 15:54:46 -0700 2008 4079285 14906 Food Tourist 7 4083174 The Belgians look decent. DT is a classic, and I have a soft spot in my heart for Leffe and Affligem. It's good that they have a kriek, although Belle-Vue wouldn't be my first choice. The Koningshoeven (the Dutch Trappist beer) is supposed to be good, although I've never had it. I'm not all that excited about a lot of the other beers, though. If the food isn't good, though, I'm not going to be spending a lot of time there. My wife doesn't drink any more, and I've been cutting back. Sun Oct 05 11:02:01 -0700 2008 4079172 186135 befuggled 6 4080727 The lack of even one Ontario microbrew on that list is disappointing. (No, I don't consider Brick to be a microbrewery.) As is the lack of even one Ontario VQA wine on their wine list. Fri Oct 03 20:48:15 -0700 2008 4077500 20196 gregclow 7 4083136 true enough... after having difficulty not stumbling into a place that didn't serve a single delicious microbrew in philadelphia it's sad that they wouldn't promote local here considering they are also in a location where there isn't much good beer competition. speaking of which... i don't know what is what, but no half pints in philly either! love that it's a no brainer here and they'll gladly let me get my small glasses in toronto bars. Sun Oct 05 10:41:45 -0700 2008 4080727 10634 pinstripeprincess 6 4083657 we're in Ontario. that's a very impressive import list. not sure why they have Bud and Keith's on tap, but hey, i guess they need something to wash the tables with after people eat :) Sun Oct 05 15:36:15 -0700 2008 4077500 120740 atomeyes 5 4078289 The night I was there they had a quadruple-fermented (10% alcohol) on tap. However, maybe because I was too exhausted to think, I ordered the Fuller's London Porter instead but didn't enjoy it. Did I mention the "beer braised short rib flatbread" comes with horseradish on the side which does nothing to improve the taste? Thu Oct 02 18:59:36 -0700 2008 4077192 14906 Food Tourist 1 4078390 I don't know about the food... but this place is an eyesore! Thu Oct 02 20:08:56 -0700 2008 4031811 70173 JonasBrand 2 4080297 Eyesore how? It's brand new, very chi-chi, romantic atmosphere, and has very comfortable seating. Interesting/eclectic decor includes church collection baskets, pictures of nuns, and moose-themed overhead lighting. Fri Oct 03 15:53:35 -0700 2008 4078390 14906 Food Tourist 2 4083680 I would agree the place is pretty... ugly, and the food is just as bad. You know you're in trouble when the 'belgian frites' are comparable to Burger King, and the ketchup even tastes off. The decor seems a little outdated, and not a fan of the painted stone signage and font. Beer selection and prices are pretty good though. Sun Oct 05 15:49:00 -0700 2008 4078390 13092 jayseeca 1 4080391 We went for a work lunch with about 16 people today. For these pub lunches we usually go to the Village Idiot because of proximity. We don't like the Idiot because it is usually overcrowded, the food is just regular, and the service is not super. We were looking forward to something different. Overall, the atmosphere was great. The decor was nice, and it felt very open, so good for conversation. The food was not superb but I would say that it was decent. I had the grilled salmon on a bagette with fries. The salmon was a little dry but the fries were good. For the cost, the portions were very adequate. The menu offerings were not hugely inventive, and I would expect more from a 'gastropub'. The 32 beers on tap were initially impressive. But many of them were just regular. I do like that they have a bit more variety with some Belgian beers at very decent prices. So as a neighborhood option, I'd say it was pretty good. Fri Oct 03 16:49:49 -0700 2008 4031811 229937 cheeser 2 4084879 FYI, the owner is the same as the Village Idiot. We dropped into both places on Friday night. I enjoyed the selection on tap at S & R but prefer the beaten up pub atmosphere of the Idiot. The staff at both locations were fantastic, knowledgeable and happy to provide tasters of anything on tap. Mon Oct 06 07:24:13 -0700 2008 4080391 12840 Mila 1 4376105 It's really cozy, but the service and food are really spotty. I had some delicious frites there, and I brought a few friends back to try them. It was hard to believe it was the same kitchen. The second time I had them the frites were were soggy and undercooked. The waiters were almost comical. They would take one persons order at a time and charge away, ignoring the other diners in our party. One of them was so clumsy he whacked my friend in the head with a tray and didn't notice. The beer list is small, but the waiters were knowledgeable and I ended up trying three different ones, all of which were delicious. There was a pear beer that ordered on a lark. Absolutely lovely. Too bad about the food, the service and the music. I like the room and the beer. Sat Jan 31 15:14:00 -0800 2009 4031811 39226 arugula