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Guten Tag Berlin Oct '08

MsAlyp Sep 11, 2008 12:07 PM

Hi All,

I have read all the past postings on Berlin already but am seaking the most up to date information regarding what is the BEST. I want to go to one phenominal restaurant while I am there (I'm spending 10 days). Money, time, not a concern.

I have the usual foodie suspects down (including KadaWee, Curry Wurt, Winterfeldtmarkt, .fassbender-rausch,cafes, etc).

What I am seeking is the best MICHELIN star rated places and if anyone can recommend which is really worth the $. A "highbrow" meal. Basically I'm trying to find the best....

Pls help!

Also if anyone has any secret spots for real, traditional German food please let me know.

Thanks for your advice!

  1. IFS2008 Sep 11, 2008 01:05 PM

    I would strongly recommend Christian Lohse who got his second star last year. He specialises in sea food at Fischer's Fritz.

    Very unique using herbs in new and surprising ways Michael Hofmann at Margaux is as good as Lohse, sometimes better. A maybe candudate for a second star this year.

    And, maybe Tim Raue at Ma - have not been there yet, but reports have been positive..

    To be sure, it won't be stellar or "eyebrow" food - Berlin is catching up but Amador, Bau, Erfort, Wissler, Henkel are by far better!

    1. linguafood Sep 11, 2008 02:22 PM

      Yeah, I can only second those suggestions. Fischer's Fritz and Margaux came to mind immediately.

      Facil, Vitrum, First Floor are pretty good choices as well. Not AS ruinous as FF and Margaux, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here '-)

      Please report back, I won't be able to make it to any of those this year *sigh*

      1. girobike Sep 12, 2008 01:15 PM

        I went to Tim Raue's old place at the Swissotel.

        I was very impressed. He has what I find lacking in many chefs doing the Fusion thing: he really understands how to blend the flavors with modern European cooking in the right way, and creatively.

        http://www.ma-restaurants.de

        I was duly impressed and see why he won the "best young chef" of the year award.

        Do try his work. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

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        1. re: girobike
          IFS2008 Sep 12, 2008 05:10 PM

          Tim Raue won "chef of the year" of Gault Millau in 2006/7 to be precise;-)
          His curent style at Ma seems to be very different from the 4 times - more Asian influences, but I will be there soon and report back...

          1. re: girobike
            girobike Sep 13, 2008 05:20 AM

            He's the only fellow I've ever come across brave enough to put items like Duck Tongue in his creations. In my opinion, he pulls it off perfectly - far better than the equivalent in restaurants in Asia. Not an easy thing to do.

          2. s
            seriouseaterNYC Sep 13, 2008 01:23 PM

            My husband and I just spent 5 months in Berlin... it's not a foodie town, but there are some fantastic finds:

            Cream (who knew vegetarian food could be so creative and gastro???)
            Altes Zollhause (high quality traditional and local/organic fare)
            Iskele (Turkish seafood)

            We did not go to any Michelin Star restaurants - we reserve those for special occasions in other cities. We are huge fans of Berlin, it is a very livable and energetic town - but it, in no way, can come close to Paris, London, New York, San Francisco, etc. when it comes to food and service. We were actually to scared to dish out a lot of money to walk away disappointed, as has happened more than once on prior visits.

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            1. re: seriouseaterNYC
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              okaygo Sep 16, 2008 06:45 AM

              seNYC, your recommendations sound great. (I'll also be in Berlin in October.) I was able to find websites for Altes Zollhause and Iskele, but I was unable to find any information on Cream - do you have an address or a website on that place?

              while we're on the subject of Berlin - could someone suggest a cozy coffee shop or bar/pub? I'll be there on my own for a week and hope to take things pretty easy and just get to know the city a little better

              1. re: okaygo
                linguafood Sep 17, 2008 04:31 AM

                Kaffee Einstein on Kurfürstenstr. (NOT the one on Unter den Linden) is a traditional, Austrian-style café with excellent coffee, a really nice atmosphere and a great selection of cakes... if you're into that.

                Cream: www.cookiescream.com

                For traditional German fare with a slight modern twist try Renger-Patzsch www.renger-patzsch.com, formerly known as Storch.

                Where in B-town are you staying?

                1. re: linguafood
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                  okaygo Sep 19, 2008 11:49 AM

                  the Renger-Patzsch menu looks great! I will add that one to my list.

                  I'm not sure yet where I'll be staying - I'm attending a symposium in Mitte, but I'll probably be staying a little further out than that - possibly with a friend-of-a-friend who I recently connected with.

                  Any recommendations for a good market to pick up some fresh/gourmet ingredients, if I were to try and put my host's kitchen to use and cook some dinner?

                  1. re: okaygo
                    linguafood Sep 20, 2008 03:58 AM

                    Winterfeldtmarkt near U Nollendorfplatz (U2) is THE best outdoor food market in Berlin.

                    In fact, I go there quite often just for lunch (fresh grilled whole trout, or Thai spicy dumplings, or zucchini fritters, or... you get the picture).

                    If you're further East, you can check out Kollwitzmarkt on Kollwitzplatz near U Senefelderplatz (U2), but it doesn't even come close.

                    Guten Appetit!

              2. re: seriouseaterNYC
                IFS2008 Sep 17, 2008 11:41 AM

                Sorry, but the average quality of food in high-end restaurants is much above San Francisco (if you focus on the city only). There is a lot going on at the moment - be sad that you missed it;-) Paris is ahead, of curse, but I am not so sure of London especially when it comes to fine dining...

                1. re: IFS2008
                  girobike Sep 19, 2008 05:29 AM

                  Hi Ingo,

                  Having lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for 10 years, I can attest to the fact that the average quality of food in German restaurants is way above San Francisco for sure.

                  The ingredients are fresher, less preservatives or additives in general (my wife & I always feel bloated when we eat in the US in "average" restaurants).

                  Paris is ahead of Germany, I agree. London is way overpriced for what you get. There are some nice spots, but I always ask myself why I am paying double for what I can get back in the continent (unless someone is paying, of course).

                  1. re: IFS2008
                    John Manzo Sep 30, 2008 06:59 PM

                    At the risk of a pile-on, I have to agree. Just the bread in Berlin (and really all of Germany) puts North America- inciuding SF and very easily including NYC, a city where horrible food is just too easy to find- to shame.

                2. b
                  bropaul Sep 22, 2008 05:05 PM

                  If you've read all the posts, I won't repeat all that I said before, but I had some very good traditional berliner food at Mittmanns near the Jannowitz Bruecke U-bahn stop and I also liked Sophieneck near the Haeckischer Hof.

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                  1. re: bropaul
                    Hypnotic23 Oct 4, 2008 03:52 PM

                    Hello, I'll be traveling for a week to Berlin for the first time too Oct 2008 for a convention. I'm from California and already have meals booked. Can anybody share feedback on any of these spots?

                    "Sorriso-Berlin"-Italian
                    Impressum
                    AGERE GmbH
                    Kurfürstenstraße 76
                    10787 Berlin
                    Telefon: (030) 262 13 13
                    Telefax: (030) 265 02 77

                    VOX/Sushi
                    Restaurant Vox-Grand Hyatt Hotel-Berlin
                    Marlene-Dietrich-Platz 2,
                    10785 Berlin
                    Telefon: +49 (0)30 2553 1772

                    Thank you,

                    Stuart

                    1. re: Hypnotic23
                      girobike Oct 4, 2008 04:16 PM

                      Never been to Sorriso.

                      If you want to try fine Italian, I would recommend either Bacco (www.bacco.de) or Parioli (www.hotelderome.com

                      )

                      Vox: Food is good, very colorful, sometimes overspiced. A lot of "show" there for the wow-effect. If you do wine, you'll be hammered by the prices.

                      1. re: girobike
                        Hypnotic23 Oct 4, 2008 04:29 PM

                        Thank you very much for your response. Also can you suggest just a good local Berlin spot for authentic German food, weinerschnizel/spetzel, etc.

                        I'm staying at Hotel Estrel which is far from everything but will cab around.

                        Thank you

                        1. re: Hypnotic23
                          girobike Oct 5, 2008 01:21 AM

                          No worries, dude. I'm actually a CA transplant myself.

                          Ummm.... ...authentic German food is changing. Are you looking for serious meat stuff? Fish? Vegetarian? Sausages that you'll never find anywhere else? Do you want an experience that you'll remember?

                          The Germans are terrible in marketing their new stuff outside of German speaking regions, that's why everyone still thinks that its Sausageland.

                          1. re: girobike
                            Hypnotic23 Oct 5, 2008 07:27 AM

                            YEs, a german experience I'll remember, lots of meats & sausages please.

                            Thanks,

                            Stuart

                            1. re: Hypnotic23
                              girobike Oct 5, 2008 09:25 AM

                              Hm.

                              Try Florian

                              Grolmanstr. 52
                              10623 Berlin
                              +49 30 3139184‎

                              When we go to Berlin, we don't normally go for hearty local foods "Bürgerliche Küche".

                              A friend recommended it once to me, but I've never been personally.

                          2. re: Hypnotic23
                            linguafood Oct 5, 2008 05:36 AM

                            Not sure if you've done any searches on this board, but that may be a good start, particularly for German food.

                            There are also quite a bunch of Swabian places, if spaetze are what you are looking for.
                            For good Italian, go to Paparazzi, or Miseria é Nobiltá, or San Nicci. From what I've heard, Bocca isn't worth it.

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