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mrgaga Sep 8, 2008 06:27 AM

I would like to have a (mini) rant, please bear with me...

My girlfriend and I go out to dinner 1 or 2x a week, we are in our mid-20's and are very busy and just never have time to cook, we both live in Harrison.

I took her to X20 on saturday night for her birthday, and we were both amazed by the quality of the food and level of service. It was the best meal I have had in my life! What really annoyed me though, was the fact that it wasn't that much more expensive than other restaruants we frequent!

How ridiculous is it that entrees at Espana (in Larchmont), Fish (in portchester), the high street roadhouse (in Rye), Morgan's Fish house, Ruby's etc. etc. are all in the 25-30 price range and that is the same as x20? Heck, some of our favorites in the city (such as craft or hearth) are also in a similar price range..

Our total bill was $150 at x20 (she had a few glasses of wine) with 2 apps and 2 sides and I think that it is a great deal! What I think is a horrible deal is paying $120 at some of the other westchester restaraunts and walking away with an "above average" experience.. I got a bill for $120 at the high street roadhouse 2 weeks ago and I just couldn't believe it! I typically pay a similar amount at FISH and walk out still hungry!

Cliff Notes:
Don't waste your time at most Westchester eateries, if you want to pay good $$ for food go to the city or go to X20...

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    frequentdiner Sep 8, 2008 07:23 AM

    Excellent points.......... Some may differ with your experience at X20 but I agree there is a proliferation of overpriced restaurants that dont deserve the prices they are asking compared to far better dining experiences elsewhere.

    Im not thrilled with the direction drink prices have gone either... I usually order Stoli on the rocks, and the prices can range from $6.00 for a full wine glass to $14.00 for a small rocks glass..... And you never know what you will get or how much you will pay until after you've ordered.

    Caveat Emptor. Let the Buyer Beware

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      dolores Sep 8, 2008 07:25 AM

      Hah, you said it, mrgaga. Interesting that you mention Roadhouse. I just tried Roadhouse last evening since it's 'new' owners took over. What a joke. As if $9.00 isn't enough for a margarita, they charge you $1.50 more to have it up! Goes along with my 'if you're going to be a crook, just make all the drinks $10.50 and don't nickel and dime me' observation on so many of the restaurants in Westchester.

      You're quite right, the list of restaurants in Westchester I'll give my hard-earned money to is dimishing by the week. X20 is definitely one of the good ones.

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        laylag Sep 8, 2008 12:10 PM

        Glad to see others think the Roadhouse prices are out of line with the type of restaurant and the food offering. The food is not great but it would be a decent casual option for us more often if the prices were in line with what we're receiving.

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        pabboy Sep 8, 2008 07:58 AM

        YES! I agree with you. Our dinner at X2O was excellent. I was expecting a hurt when the bill came but it was more than reasonable. I've had mediocre meals at Piave, Ciao, Provencal, Tango, Chart House....etc that cost the same or more. I guess the other way of looking at it is X2O is a bargain!!

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          wincountrygirl Sep 25, 2008 11:10 AM

          Cafe of Love is ridiculously over priced! And, the prices on the wines by the glass are also totally out of line. The food is good, but it's a neighborhood place with delusions of grandeur!

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            steelydad Mar 4, 2009 06:48 AM

            I can't agree with you more on Cafe of Love!

        2. i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream Sep 8, 2008 12:45 PM

          I totally, totally agree with you. I am becoming much more selective of where I go out to eat, and spending more $$ at the farmers' market instead of on eating out. Half Moon, Cafe of Love, these are just 2 places that I regret going to, because the price tags were almost as much as X2O and nowhere near as good. I'm trying to limit my restaurant eating in Westchester to ethnic foods that I can't make a reasonable fascimile of myself, or super special places that deliver such as X2O or Zeph's. That said, I am eternally optimistic that awesome affordable places will pop up! (And they usually do, in the form of Indian, Mexican, etc.....)

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            corky Sep 9, 2008 06:59 AM

            for the first time in my life when i go food shopping i buy generic...except ketchup and mayo

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              PlasticMoonRain Sep 8, 2008 07:19 PM

              I think this merits a list of the most way over-priced restaurants in Westchester. The food does not have to be bad, but the criteria should be a ratio kind of thing: where the food quality does not merit the high prices.

              The most obvious recent choice to me was Chutney Masala in Irvington, which I thought was good, but not great, but the prices were the most exorbitant I'd seen for an Indian restaurant in the county. When I saw that they served two pieces in a tandoor chicken order when every other place I've been to serves four, that was the big signal for me.

              I also find some of the recently opened Italian restaurants in White Plains priced high for what you get.

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                dolores Sep 9, 2008 06:34 AM

                >>I also find some of the recently opened Italian restaurants in White Plains priced high for what you get.

                100% correct, PlasticMoonRain, and paying to park is part of the overall 'bargain'.

                I don't have a recent restaurant that was outrageously overprived overall, or perhaps I am inured to the $100.-$120. bills for two people.

                If they didn't nickel and dime me, and the food was very good, and the service was excellent, I go back to these very expensive restaurants. It seems to be accepted behavior in Westchester.

                And, since the patrons just keep accepting it and going back, why should they change?

                Sad.

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                  kaaaassss Sep 10, 2008 06:07 PM

                  why doesn't someone name some overpriced restaurants in westchester - should i start?

                  42 in white plains
                  via quadronno in white plains

                  anyone else.

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                    marmite Sep 11, 2008 08:41 AM

                    Red Hat.

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                      wonka Feb 17, 2009 07:53 AM

                      I was just reading the posting and believe there should be a list of over priced restaurants, especially the way the economy is today.
                      I would put on the list:
                      42
                      Peniche
                      The Tap House
                      Blue Hill
                      Morgans
                      today, there are so many bargains, especially in the city..it's worth the drive. I just can't see why people try to rip people off, it's just unfair. Isn't it better to have a good, moderate price restaurant, and have the people come back more than once a week, or on special occasions??

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                    byramgirl Sep 11, 2008 10:59 AM

                    Tollgate Steakhouse in Mamaroneck.

                    And while not in Westchester, the Boxcar Cantina in Greenwich - although it's good and I love their Quatro Taco plate, it's overpriced.

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                      kaaaassss Sep 11, 2008 12:27 PM

                      Peniche - they charge for the bread
                      I happen to like Tango Grill but they are overpriced also - especially the coctails. Although I think 42 has the pricest cocktails in the area.

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                        debmom Sep 11, 2008 12:32 PM

                        BLT-- the steak tasted like a pound of salt!

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                          gordoma Sep 16, 2008 03:56 PM

                          I don't think it's worth it to post all the overprices restaurants as it would include almost every eatery in the county. I, like I think most others here, find the number of establishments offering a worthwhile value proposition to be few and far between.

                          What I think would be interesting would be a three part list of places where the food is worth the cost. I say three part, becuase High-End (fancy), middle and low, all have (or should have) different price points, but can still be great values for what they are. I'll start:

                          High:

                          X2O, Blue Hill

                          Mid:

                          Q

                          Low:

                          Ruth's Jamacian, Tomitillo (dobbs Ferry), Comfort (Hastings)

                          the shame is that is all I could come up with. Remember, the test is that after you eat, you say "Wow, that was a great meal for the price"

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                            i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream Sep 16, 2008 06:14 PM

                            For low range, I agree with Tomatillo. I appreciate the attention they pay to quality ingredients, and I find it priced fairly given portion & ingredient quality. It's not fine dining, but it's a cute place. Also, for takeout, Khan's in Thornwood is still one of my go-tos. And that pizza at All'Antica.... I also love Quimbaya in Ossining.

                            Honestly, as far as mid-range goes, I can't think of any place I've gone to and been pleased with lately. I guess maybe Santorini, which I still find to be a good value (I know others have had bad experiences with service, but I haven't (yet)).

                            High? I agree with X2O. I haven't been to Zeph's in almost a year, but I loved my meal there (even though I thought the atmosphere was a little stuffy).

                            Now that I'm trying to add to gordoma's list, I'm realizing how little I've gone out in Westchester the last few months. The guy at Khan's (I think one of the owners?) was telling me things have been slow there lately.... and that's at the low end of the spectrum. I wonder if other eateries are faring poorly too.

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                              kaaaassss Sep 16, 2008 08:27 PM

                              This is tough....I like Rustica on Central Avenue in Scarsdale for mid price good Italian, Nikos on Central Avenue in White Plains for Greek..Good food, portions and value. X20, Tango Grill, La Bocca...

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                              dolores Sep 17, 2008 05:24 AM

                              Your first paragraph is an excellent, excellent point gordoma. Worthwhile value proposition indeed. Westchester should be ashamed.

                              As to a list,

                              High/Mid -- X20 (Yonkers), Spadaro (New Rochelle), Artie's (City Island), Le Provencal (Mamaroneck), X (brunch-Congers), Sushi Nanase (White Plains), La Sala (Larchmont).

                              Low -- Mamma Francesca (New Rochelle), Silvio's (Thornwood), Bao's (White Plains), Squire's (Briarcliff).

                              That's it for 'worthwhile value proposition' places in Westchester.

                              Pathetic.

                              Oh, and what's 'high' and what's 'med' anymore in Westchester? Low, mid and high are all muddled at $50. to $100. a person. That's all 'high' in my opinion. It's only when I decide that it's a 'worthwhile value proposition' place that I am not angered.

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                                laylag Sep 17, 2008 08:03 AM

                                I see you mentioned La Sala Dolores. Tell me a bit about it if you don't mind. We pass by all the time and it seems very "old-fashioned" from the outside and rarely busy. On an occasional Sat/Sunday there will be a glut of cars and my assessment was that it served for large group parties -- baby showers, engagement parties, etc and thus we never chose to try.

                                Am I wrongly judging a book by its cover and making incorrect assumptions? And, if La Sala is actually a quality restaurant, what about would make it a better value than Lusardi's for a high-priced Italian restaurant.

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                                  dolores Sep 17, 2008 09:41 AM

                                  laylag, La Sala is in the same category as Mamma Francesca, perhaps up a notch. They have live Italian music on Fri. and Sat., and I'm a sucker for Italian music. You're quite right, 'old-fashioned' describes it well.

                                  I too never went near the place after it changed from whatever it was (French?), but then had a reunion there. Yes, they have a large room downstairs, good for parties. I enjoyed the food so much that I've gone back quite a few times.

                                  The food is good to very good, not outstanding. The service is very good, and the ambience is unpretentious.

                                  I found Lusardi to be a legend in his own mind, haughty and pretentious. I never gave it more than one try, a no-no for me, but with the prices what they were, I had no interest in being diplomatic.

                                  The prices of La Sala are in the range of $50-60. a person at La Sala, with a glass of wine, and the pour is a generous one. The parking is free and so is the bread, all pluses for me.

                                  I recommend you try it.

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                                  antrogers1964 Sep 21, 2008 07:47 PM

                                  Dolores-

                                  Tried Bao on Central Avenue a while back and they were closed! Any idea what happened? Did they re-open?

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                                    dolores Sep 22, 2008 02:40 AM

                                    antrogers, I never knew they were there. If the same place, they're now in the White Plains mall, where the MV is.

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                                      wincountrygirl Sep 25, 2008 11:13 AM

                                      I am not as blown away by Blue Hill as most people are, either. Having eating at such wonderful restaurants as the French Laundry in the Napa Valley, Blue Hill was hardly up to that standard, but cost as much!

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                                  frequentdiner Sep 17, 2008 05:52 AM

                                  I spent $400 a couple at Blue Hill. (without wine) I did not come away from the experience, after considering the food, service and decor, that it was a worthwhile value. I felt it was overpriced and I had overwhelming sticker shock.

                                  Maybe its a value to some of the investment bankers out there.

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                                    UWStoSONO Sep 23, 2008 12:59 PM

                                    WHAT?!? $400/couple. Without wine? Was it worth it? I mean that's starting to get into Per Se territory.

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                                      frequentdiner Sep 24, 2008 09:47 AM

                                      Wasn't worth it to me..... But maybe to other's its a value.

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                                        OrganicLife Feb 18, 2009 02:29 PM

                                        In defense of Blue Hill, do you actually know how much it costs THEM to serve the kind of food they serve? Sorry, but fancy as any place claims to be, the food is still not 100% pasture raised, locally grown, on-site grown, beyond organic, blood sweat and tears farm fresh food. In this economy I know what type of effort that takes.

                                        our family only eats local/organic year round and we are paying out the nose to do so but we find it 100% vital to good health and really, what's more important?

                                        If you want the integrity of eating that way and AND enjoying a fancy evening out, you're going to have to pay for it. Otherwise my family, and other who eat liek we do, dine only at home.

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                                          crappydeli Jun 8, 2009 10:47 AM

                                          Went to Blue Hill/Stone Barn about a year ago and my wife and I really did enjoy it, but I completely agree RE the price. Holy Cow!

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                                      Shawn Sep 17, 2008 06:14 AM

                                      For high end, I agree that X20 and Sushi Nanase are well worth the price.

                                      For mid-range we have always liked T&J in Port Chester-- decent red sauce food and a decent value, though their prices have been inching up. I find Rosie's in Bronxville to be a pretty good value, too.

                                      Otherwise, I'm stumped.

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                                        Avalondaughter Sep 17, 2008 07:50 AM

                                        I will say Bar Vivace in Mamaroneck. Hubby and I tried it for the first time this weekend.

                                        Neither of us ordered wine. We each had a different salad for an appetizer, and our entrees were pasta dishes. Mine was very good, but not extraordinary. He liked his, but it was drowned in a creamy sauce (he couldn't even see the actual crepe) and it gave him a belly ache that evening and all the next day. We shared a dessert.

                                        The total bill came to $76. For no booze and one dessert on a dinner that wasn't particularly high-end, I thought that was outrageous.

                                        Editing to add the service was great though. They were very friendly and attentive - so much so I almost feel bad trashing their prices here.

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                                          dolores Sep 17, 2008 09:42 AM

                                          I didn't get a 'gee I've got to try that place' vibe when I finally passed by it, Avalondaughter, thanks for the feedback.

                                          I did get that tug on passing by Piccolo Mulino, and also have Meritage on my 'must try' list.

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                                            intrepid Sep 22, 2008 04:13 AM

                                            avalondaughter..if you please, what was your expectations for the cost of your meal? what cost would NOT have been outrageous please..can you please describe the interior of bar vivace..thanks

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                                              Avalondaughter Sep 22, 2008 06:45 PM

                                              Could I tell you exactly what I expected to pay when I walked in there? No. Certainly I have paid far less (50-60 range) for two pasta dishes, two salads, no booze and one dessert. If I'm going to pay close to $80 for two people, I would think it would include wine and and dessert. I paid less than $76 for this much at Piccolo Mulino the week before.

                                              The interior of Bar Vivace looks pretty much the same as it did when it was Osteria Marietta. It's pleasant enough, but I don't pay to look at the walls.

                                              Service was really good. I feel bad speaking ill of such nice people, especially when the man I assumed to be the owner himself came to our table more than once, but there has to be more than just that.

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                                                intrepid Sep 22, 2008 07:44 PM

                                                i disagree with your bullet points. having said that, youre entitled to your opinion, as I am, with mine...to color a place outrageous, with your talking points seems to me to be inaccurate.

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                                                  The Chowhound Team Sep 26, 2008 10:13 AM

                                                  We've removed a bunch of posts from this sub-thread as it was getting unfriendly. We'd ask that everyone respect each other's opinions -- Avalondaughter has laid out what she ate and what she paid and her opinion on the the value she received. If anyone else has experiences at Bar Vivace, they're welcome to do the same, but an argument over her choice of words is really off topic.

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                                                  ej8 Sep 23, 2008 04:00 PM

                                                  avalondaughter, I have eaten in bar vivace several times since they opened and did not have the experience that you did. How can you put them in the same price category as 42, BLT, X20 and others? We eat there because it is affordable, and over-delivers on the price. We had dinner there with drinks and 2 desserts and spent a little over $100.

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                                            pabboy Sep 17, 2008 07:20 PM

                                            While I agree with your list but I would move Comfort from Low to Mid.

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                                              nbermas Oct 1, 2008 05:04 PM

                                              Gordoma: Where is Ruth's Jamaican restaurant is do thye make jerk in the oven or on a grill? Is is a clean restaurant??

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                                                dolores Oct 7, 2008 03:37 AM

                                                Ruth's Jamaican is on Battle Hill in White Plains.

                                                No, it's not clean looking.

                                                Yes, I guess it's authentic. I got ox tail stew. No, I didn't like it.

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                                                  gordoma Jan 23, 2009 02:32 PM

                                                  Sorry for the delay, I didn't realize I was asked a question. It's really a take out place. there are a couple of tables, and I have eaten there, but you really want to take out from this place. the offerings vary, so I'm not surprised there was no ox-tail on a given day. If you like Jamaican food, give it a shot, you won't be disappointed and you can feed an army for $20.

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                                                  westchesterdiner Feb 22, 2009 09:57 AM

                                                  I'm sorry, but I have to totally disagree with your thought on Q. I know people seem to like this place but their bbq is not good. Yes, I'm from the South, and yes, my husband calls me a bbq snob, but I can make better bbq in my slow cooker - and it won't cost $15 a plate.
                                                  I guess I just don't understand why everyone thinks their bbq is so good. Can someone elaborate for me?
                                                  Maybe I'm just of the persuasion that pulled pork shouldn't be smothered in thick, sweet sauce to the point that you can't taste the pork anymore.
                                                  I really would like to hear why you think it is so good though - I'm curious.

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                                                    roxlet Feb 22, 2009 11:32 AM

                                                    I'm with you there, westchesterdiner. My husband from Atlanta makes the best BBQ around in the huge smoker in the backyard, and his sauce is tangy, never sweet. I hate that sweet glop. Plus most of these places make sweet cole slaw as well. Mine is vinegary, which you need to play off against the richness of the pork. Same with the sauce.

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                                                      westchesterdiner Feb 22, 2009 11:36 AM

                                                      Thanks for the back up roxlet! Your talk of vinegar is music to my ears. I'm from North Carolina so according to me vinegar sauce is the only way to go. DOn't get me wrong, I don't mind some good ole sloppy ribs with thick sauce, but on pulled pork it should be outlawed!

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                                                        pabboy Feb 22, 2009 05:22 PM

                                                        Yes I agree with roxlet and westchesterinder but regardless of what your BBQ background is, unless you are opening your backyard up to everyone, please don't tell me how good your smoked ribs are. In Westchester, Q is quite good. Big W is probably better. That's it for Westchester! There are no other options!!!

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                                                          westchesterdiner Feb 22, 2009 05:27 PM

                                                          I hear you pabboy - i still need my fix. Have you tried The Barnacle in Mamaroneck? I'm hearing good things especially about the pulled pork. I'm hearing that theirs is basically sauceless - they let you do the saucing. Can't wait to try it.

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                                                            pabboy Feb 22, 2009 05:32 PM

                                                            Is it new? I've never heard of the place but if it's got BBQ then I'll be going ;-) Thanks for the heads up !

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                                                              westchesterdiner Feb 23, 2009 02:44 AM

                                                              It opened a couple of months ago. Everytime I drive by it looks full. Here's the website
                                                              http://www.barnaclebbq.com/
                                                              If you go before me please report back.
                                                              Thanks

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                                                                surman Jun 8, 2009 12:51 PM

                                                                There has been some discussion of Barnacle elsewhere on this board... try http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/583267

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                                                            roxlet Feb 23, 2009 04:00 AM

                                                            Well, play your cards right...

                                                        2. re: westchesterdiner
                                                          scharffenberger Feb 22, 2009 11:56 AM

                                                          Westchesterdiner,
                                                          I am in complete agreement on the food at Q. I think that people like the restaurant, it is family oriented, and maybe have not developed a palate for bbq. It rates a C in my book of bbq ratings.
                                                          On the other hand there are very few bbq places around, Ribs on the Run, and BIG W's ,up in Wingdale.

                                                          Nobody has mentioned The International Cafe and Bakery and Pollo Misti in Port Chester. The former is Brazilian; the latter is Peruvian.
                                                          Also Cafe Michoacan in New Rochelle. They are all my favorite low end places.

                                                          I think Cholos in New Rochelle is a nice mid priced place. But these days we are eating at home more and more!

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                                                            laylag Feb 22, 2009 01:27 PM

                                                            Don't want to re-open the discussion that went on for ages on another thread but Ribs on the Run is not BBQ per say meaning it is not slow smoked meat. They are regular oven type ribs. Not bad but not 'cue.

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                                                              corky Feb 23, 2009 05:25 AM

                                                              im lucky enough to live 5 miles south of wingdale so big w is my version of heaven on earth

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                                                              adamclyde Feb 24, 2009 04:19 PM

                                                              I don't think it's necessarily a case of people not having a developed palate for BBQ. I've been smoking my own 'cue for a number of years now (on a WSM and a home-made custom built 6-foot rig) and like to think I can taste (and smell) good BBQ when I see it. And I still like Q (well, except for their ribs).

                                                              Sure, their pulled pork isn't North Carolina style. But it's still good. In my opinion, though, the star there is the brisket, which, is the hardest of the BBQ meats to pull off well. It's not completely consistent at Q - sometimes great, sometimes just OK. But their OK brisket is head and shoulders better than anyone else's around here. At it's best, it's near perfect - very moist, nice smoke ring, with just a slight resistance when you tug it apart. At it's worst it's just slightly less moist with a tad bit too much resistance when tugged. But always smoky and flavorful.

                                                              So while I'm not a fan of their ribs at all, but I do enjoy their pulled pork and really like their brisket. (I do wish it were all cheaper, but the kids free wednesdays is a nice program).

                                                              All that said, I do wish Big W's wasn't so far away. Wingdale is practically Canada for me.

                                                              Have you been to Holy Smoke in Mahopec? I haven't, but have been wanting to try it to compare to the others.

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                                                                valerie Feb 24, 2009 06:44 PM

                                                                I want to try Big W's too, but it's kind of far from me (in Scarsdale). And I have never been to Q.

                                                                But I wonder why more people in lower Westchester don't just go to Dinosaur BBQ in Harlem? I know it's not Westchester, but it's so close. Last weekend we went for dinner, and on Saturday afternoon at around 3:30 (we had 5:30 reservation but left early to shop at Fairway!), we were in Fairway's parking lot within 25 minutes (directly across the street from Dinosaur).

                                                                The place was jam packed, but for our party of 8, they honored the reservation and we were seated within minutes. There is parking on the street, and most importantly the food was fantastic. The star was the ribs...amazing!

                                                                Calories aside, I was wondering why we don't go there more often.

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                                                                  wpfoodie Feb 27, 2009 11:13 AM

                                                                  Couldn't agree more. My wife and I frequent this place from White Plains. It only takes about 20 minutes to get there, as long as there's no traffic. But it's so worth the drive, as they have some of the best ribs I've ever had. One of the many sprouting gems in Harlem.

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                                                              steelydad Jun 4, 2009 09:26 AM

                                                              At the "Q" in Mt. Kisco it costs $25 for a plate of mediocre BBQ

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                                                      Potrezebie Sep 18, 2008 06:28 AM

                                                      Just remember the quote by Simon and Minty Marchmont: If you can't afford expensive food, then sell some paintings!

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                                                        UWStoSONO Sep 22, 2008 04:24 AM

                                                        I can't agree with you more. I just moved to South Norwalk, CT...well last year, and I'm sick of paying the same, if not MORE here than for better restaurants in NYC! How do they get away with that when rents are lower here? I guess there's less competition? Although Washington St. is basically restaurant row up here. I had dinner for two in NYC on Saturday night for $200 when the same meal in SoNo would have easily cost me $250. A beer and a burger with my wife at Ginger Man somehow always comes out to $80 with tax and tip. Yet I continue to waste money there. And can Ginger Man put up TV's that people can actually see??? Is that too much to ask after paying $8 or $9 for a beer? Sorry that last one got away from me.

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                                                          jfood Sep 22, 2008 05:59 PM

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                                                          You would have to try REAL hard to spend >$250 in SONO. Where might that price point come into play?

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                                                            UWStoSONO Sep 23, 2008 12:52 PM

                                                            Oh definitely. I've spent that much at the overpriced and overhyped Match. It was $265 for 2 people having 2 apps/entrees/desserts and wine. We actually did start with two glasses of Veuve, so maybe that upped the price a bit, but still. And Molliere is just as expensive, however we've only had a few small meals there a couple times. I'm still amazed they haven't shut down yet. By the way, and I think you may have disagreed with me on this one before, but Bacchus, in my humble opinion, is the best restaurant now in SoNo. I love that place. Have you tried it out yet?

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                                                              jfood Sep 23, 2008 04:03 PM

                                                              jfood actually posted a review of Match, not impressed and glad he didn't blow near that much. Molierre was always vacant and jfood hates eating in a cave. agree that he does not understand how it is open.

                                                              After reading, I think it was your review on another thread on Bacchus and my respect for your opinion, it has moved to jfood's gotta try list. thanks for another stop.

                                                              "best restaurant in SONO" are strong words. gotta get there now.

                                                              Thanks U

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                                                                antrogers1964 Oct 7, 2008 01:00 PM

                                                                You're dead on with your review. But are you writing as if you're speaking about someone else? Did you go or is there another jfood? No offense here.

                                                                I'm not impressed with anything in Norwalk. It's a young college kid hang-out.

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                                                                  jfood Oct 7, 2008 01:53 PM

                                                                  Interesting about the young college kid hang-out. You should try being tenpeople in the loft at 10PM and the only people on the dance floor are the 50+'s. The band actually approached mrs jfood and whispered "do they know we're a frekin' dance band?" :-))

                                                                  BTW - you may want to check out Osetra in SONO. Given your driving from W'chester, it is very different from other restaurants, very creative (check the menu on line).

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                                                                    RawTunaFan Oct 7, 2008 08:10 PM

                                                                    You stand behind this restaurant so much, jfood, I think we're going to have to try it out...will get back to you on it!

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                                                                      jfood Oct 8, 2008 06:28 AM

                                                                      In fairness you should do your research and read the menu on line. It is quite creative. Jfod really liked the combinations this past weekend and would go back in a heartbeat, but make sure you understand it ain't your typical meat and potatoes.

                                                                      If you are looking for eclectic, go for it and enjoy, but there are some very inventive combos, which jfood loved.

                                                                      Ciao

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                                                            RawTunaFan Oct 1, 2008 06:24 PM

                                                            is this the same Ginger Man in Manhattan?

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                                                              editor58 Aug 14, 2011 07:01 AM

                                                              Unfortunately, the rents in Westchester are just as bad as NYC. I'm not talking about 5th Avenue rents but in general, the same Landlords have property in Westchester AND NYC. So with the economy the factors are marginally different. NOW PARKING is something you have in Westchester except don'r forget to feed your meter if you're in White Plains! hahaha.

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                                                                menton1 Aug 14, 2011 07:30 AM

                                                                "Unfortunately, the rents in Westchester are just as bad as NYC"

                                                                You jest, of course. Unless you mean the outer parts of the outer boroughs?

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                                                              howdy Oct 1, 2008 01:53 PM

                                                              How can it be that no one mentioned Turkish Meze?

                                                              http://www.turkishmeze.com/

                                                              They have one of the greatest deals in Westchester on Mon-Thur. A 3-course dinner is under $25. Call ahead or go online to confirm. And the staff have always been truly hospitable. Even their full-price menu is a worthwhile deal.

                                                              409 Mount Pleasant Avenue
                                                              Mamaroneck NY, 10543
                                                              Phone 914.777.3042

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                                                                bpstyles Oct 7, 2008 01:59 AM

                                                                AH, I get to use my comment from the other thread again! :)

                                                                I am a bit biased considering it is my hometown, but two restaurants just a spell from each other are my two favorites. Azzurri in Thornwood on Comerce (north from the Hawthorne station) and Spadafino's on the other end of Commerce.

                                                                Both have great food, especially red sauce. Azzurri is never really busy and I don't know why. The service is extremely friendly and attentive (we always get the same guy anyway) and the food is not only spectacular, but the portions are huge and its about $25 a person. Spadafino's is more lively, service is good, food is great and they sometimes have live entertainment. They cost a bit more, though.

                                                                Even better, both have ample parking.

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                                                                  PJPasta Feb 16, 2009 10:17 AM

                                                                  im from the city so i dont think the prices are that bad. is X2o worth trying? there seems to be a lot of talk about it here?

                                                                  thanks
                                                                  PJ

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                                                                    roxlet Feb 16, 2009 10:39 AM

                                                                    Yes, it is worth trying and apparently accessible via MetroNorth RR. If you search the boards, there are many threads about X20.

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                                                                      FillMyTummy Mar 1, 2009 08:49 AM

                                                                      Also worth trying if you're in downtown Yonkers is Zuppa (on Main St). The food is excellent at a lower price point than X2O. Beautiful decor, nice bar.

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                                                                  FillMyTummy Mar 1, 2009 08:52 AM

                                                                  I couldn't agree more with this thread. I was in shock when I first moved to Westchester from northern NJ 6 years ago at what seems like NYC prices just about everywhere I tried. Why should this be? Another disappointment for me was One in Irvington. The food should be amazing for what they're charging and it's not even close.

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                                                                    Borat Mar 19, 2010 04:45 PM

                                                                    Just moved to Westchester. Have been frantically trying to find a "good" restaurant, let alone something that is worth what you are paying for. Just like all of the other services, I feel like I'm constantly being gouged here. I thought Manhattan was expensive... The places I used to complain about are heads and shoulders better than the food here.

                                                                    Sad. Really sad. Such low standards people have here. The only place that I have found that is excellent, and feel the prices are reflective is Sushi Mikes in Dobbs Ferry.

                                                                    That is it. Nothing else.

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                                                                      pabboy Mar 20, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                      I don't know why people rave about Sushi Mikes. I've been there twice and both were negative experiences. It's a Taiwanese run joint that serves "inventive" sushi by covering up poor qualify fish with tons of sauces or other flavors. I know they are Taiwanese because the sushi "chef" and waitress spokes to me in Mandarin and I asked where they were from. I know the poor quality by sitting at the sushi bar and examining the fish in the fridge and the texture as the chef is slicing it. I cannot believe Westchesterites wait in line for this. Less than 5 minutes away you have Sazan in Ardsley which has excellent sushi and pretty good hot items. Or Nishi Japanese Restaurant which has excellent hot items and OK sushi. Both are owned and run by Japanese who cares. A little further you have Fujinoya, Azuma and Sushi Nanase.

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                                                                      Nanase
                                                                      522 Mamaroneck Ave, White Plains, NY 10605

                                                                      Azuma
                                                                      219 E Hartsdale Ave, Hartsdale, NY 10530

                                                                      Sazan
                                                                      729 Saw Mill River Rd, Ardsley, NY 10502

                                                                      Fujinoya
                                                                      26 S Central Ave, Hartsdale, NY 10530

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                                                                        anonymouse1935 Mar 20, 2010 12:33 PM

                                                                        FillMyTummy and Borat, you couldn't be more correct.

                                                                        At least the outrageously overpriced restaurants with little bits of food are being pushed out, so that's a good thing. I don't have high hopes that they will be replaced with decent restaurants, but it's a start.

                                                                        "I feel like I'm constantly being gouged here."

                                                                        For the most part, you are.

                                                                        Sad, isn't it?

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                                                                          Nick de Benza Mar 20, 2010 07:03 PM

                                                                          Well Westchester real estate isn't cheap, and much of what you pay for at the average restaurant is location. My list of high quality to cost ratios includes:

                                                                          1. Valentino's Yonkers/Mount Vernon
                                                                          2. Hajime Sushi (despite the affluence of Harrison they haven't raised their prices in 10 years)
                                                                          3. Ribs on the Run Central Ave by TJ Maxx. They have other locations, but this is my favorite. Good fried shrimp, french fries, and, if you're not one of those crazy connoisseurs, ribs.
                                                                          4. Tandoori Taste of India Port Chester has a good lunch buffett and dinner menu,
                                                                          5. Epstein's Central Ave can be good for kosher deli if you go on a sunday and get one of the good counter guys (I remember an older guy and a hispanic kid being pretty sharp). Otherwise try Liebman's in Riverdale.
                                                                          6. American Bistro in Eastchester. They started in a warehouse area which allowed them to spend more on ingriedients instead of overhead. Now they're near the train station but still give pretty good value. One of their former chefs moved to Halstead Bistro in Harrison which is also not a bad choice. Another ok spot for bistro junkies is Encore in Larchmont.
                                                                          7. City Limits Diner (rendered "upscale" only by the presence of so many downscale versions elsewhere) has palatable fish and chips, turkey club sandwiches, omelettes, burgers, etc. The central avenue location is very noisy, so takeout might be a better idea, but I managed to find a bearable place to sit in the stamford one.

                                                                          This list is probably too casual, though Valentino's stacks up against any place for steaks/chops/seafood/pasta. I don't really dine much at the county's elite, e.g. Blue Stone, Crabtree Kittle, Le Chateau, but it is possible to pay a lot for food and still feel like you got a good deal. I was reminded of this during my only visit to Morton's, which I thought might be another "very overpriced for what it is" experience, but actually proved to be quite remarkable. Conversely, City Island, which had its moments, was never cheap, and my last meal there convinced me not to return.

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                                                                          cubanat Mar 20, 2010 07:43 PM

                                                                          drive 5 minutes down the road and eat at the cookery and you should be happy.

                                                                      2. BAFU Jun 8, 2009 01:15 PM

                                                                        You think Westchester is bad? Try living in Fairfield Co!!

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                                                                          menton1 Jun 9, 2009 08:37 AM

                                                                          Strange that I didn't see Equus in Tarrytown on this thread (unless I missed it). A retro-hotel dining room with BIG prices. Nice view, though.

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                                                                            wincountrygirl Jun 9, 2009 09:24 AM

                                                                            Nice view, high prices and bad food

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                                                                            cubanat Mar 20, 2010 07:44 PM

                                                                            c'mon!! you have harvest supper, the schoolhouse at canndondale and (not as good ad first two) dressing room!

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                                                                            scarsdale1234 Jun 27, 2009 12:52 PM

                                                                            My top picks
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                                                                            BLT
                                                                            Mulinos

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                                                                              mark r Mar 20, 2010 03:04 PM

                                                                              can i add one other thought - why are there no "farm to table" restaurants in either larchmont, mamaroneck, Rye, Harrison or even portchester other than tarry lodge.

                                                                              i mean we live so close to the hudson valley and it seems like no restaurant tries to get fresh local ingredients.

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                                                                                cubanat Mar 20, 2010 07:49 PM

                                                                                true! the restaurant needs to have a very flexible menu that changes frequently corresponding to what the farmers have available. a lot of the farms that are local, organic, etc can't supply everyone. a few busy restaurants can "wipe out" a small producer's inventory fairly quickly and consistently.

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