549488 Sun Aug 17 15:53:35 -0700 2008 37 27 General Chowhounding Topics 0 3964507 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce I've never found brown sauce here in the midwest, but a friend from England mailed some to me to try. It looked like A-1 but to me didn't taste the same and the ingredients were different. This is a break out from the "what to put on your hot dog thread" But i'm curious..... Can you find brown sauce in the US? And either way, is brown sauce the same as A1? Sun Aug 17 15:53:35 -0700 2008 165021 Firegoat 1 3964552 In answer to your first question, yes, you can. Whether you can find HP Sauce in your own part of the US is another question. But here in Boston I can buy it in the UK section of my local supermarket. In answer to the second question - well, I can't really understand why you asked the second question, because your own comments show the answer. No, HP Sauce is not the same as A-1. It doesn't taste the same and the ingredients are different. Sun Aug 17 16:21:07 -0700 2008 3964507 18512 Allstonian 1 3964565 They are not the same, A-1 contains; TOMATO PUREE (WATER, TOMATO PASTE), DISTILLED VINEGAR, CORN SYRUP, SALT, RAISIN PASTE, CRUSHED ORANGE PUREE, SPICES AND HERBS, DRIED GARLIC AND ONION, CARAMEL COLOR, POTASSIUM SORBATE (TO PRESERVE FRESHNESS), XANTHAN GUM. HP Sauce contains; Water, Vinegar, Dates, Glucose-Fructose, Black Strap Molasses, Tomato Paste, Modified Cornstarch, Salt, Orange Juice Concentrate, Onion, Spices, Tamarind Extract, Apple Juice Concentrate, Garlic, Chili Peppers, Mustard Flour. Brown Sauce can be found at any specialty store that sell British Products. Sun Aug 17 16:29:35 -0700 2008 3964507 10195 KTinNYC 2 3964650 Proportions may not be the same, but the basic ingredients are similar - tomato, vinegar, fruit (dates/raisins), orange flavor, garlic, herbs. Sun Aug 17 17:12:17 -0700 2008 3964565 12139 paulj 3 3964997 Agreed, but you also have very similar ingredients in Lea and Perrins and no one would say A-1 is the same thing as Lea and Perrins. Sun Aug 17 20:10:46 -0700 2008 3964650 10195 KTinNYC 2 3974888 Wow. I always thought A-1 had anchovies in it. Regardless, it's delicious. HP is bland. Thu Aug 21 08:08:38 -0700 2008 3964565 116638 southernitalian 3 3974928 A-1 use to have anchovies as an ingredient but it has since been removed. I read this a while back. I don't know why this was done. Ick factor? Cost? Maybe someone on these board knows for sure. Thu Aug 21 08:18:03 -0700 2008 3974888 10195 KTinNYC 4 5024840 I know this is an old question, but the anchovies were removed so that kosher consumers could use the A1 sauce in the cooking of meat products. While kosher laws consider fish neutral and alloww eating it with either meat or dairy, fish may NOT be cooked in the same pot as meat. So, A! with anchovies could be put on an already cooked kosher steak, but could not be added to a pot of beef stew being cooked. Sat Sep 12 12:27:46 -0700 2009 3974928 274541 bagelman01 5 5024943 People add A1 to beef stew? Yuk. I have to say, I would have never thought of adding A1 to anything other than a cooked piece of meat or maybe steak and eggs. Sat Sep 12 13:24:58 -0700 2009 5024840 173425 Jen76 6 5027317 A1 used to publish a pamphlet of recipes that used A1 in the cooking Sun Sep 13 18:22:48 -0700 2009 5024943 274541 bagelman01 6 5027874 a-1 is good in shepherd's pie. i can see it in stew & meatloaf. too. http://www.a1sauce.com/recipes.htm Mon Sep 14 04:58:35 -0700 2009 5024943 105717 alkapal 7 5033330 Not a big meatloaf lover. Maybe A1 would help! Tue Sep 15 23:35:02 -0700 2009 5027874 173425 Jen76 1 3964574 I'm not sure where you are in the midwest, but you can pick up HP sauce at Meijer's which is a grocery chain in Michigan. However, it might just be me, but I think the HP they sell in the UK is spicier than what you get here in the US. So, I always head to Canada when I need a refill. Sun Aug 17 16:35:33 -0700 2008 3964507 138943 grouper 2 5024797 Hi grouper .. could you tell me where in Canada (which stores) you visit to buy your HP? I have just moved to Kamloops (BC) to go to Uni there and am *desperate* for some HP for my fried food. Thanks in advance Ray Sat Sep 12 12:09:32 -0700 2009 3964574 1108857 hammondreg 3 5024969 I live in Toronto, and EVERY major supermarket has HP (regular), HP Chicken and Rib (aka "Fruity" in the UK), and HP Bold. And I've lived in Ottawa, Waterloo, London, and Windsor, and I've never been unable to find it. I'm amazed you can't get it in BC. Sat Sep 12 13:39:18 -0700 2009 5024797 1104506 FrankD 1 3964657 no no no, HP is thicker than A1 and fruitier. In Florida we can get it in Publix in the British section. Thank goodness because I love it on fried eggs on toast. Sun Aug 17 17:14:50 -0700 2008 3964507 22559 smartie 1 3965066 I've seen HP at CostPlus World Market. You might want to check there. Sun Aug 17 20:59:40 -0700 2008 3964507 182389 cookingodyssey 2 5028336 Ive also seen it at World Market and have considered buying it because it doesn't contain HFCS. I have many British friends and they rave about HP sauce so I might have to try a bottle. If you are looking for a steak sauce that doesn't contain HFCS I recommend that you try Whole Foods version of A1. I bought some and I wont be going back to A1. Mon Sep 14 08:23:16 -0700 2009 3965066 22220 Kelli2006 1 3965327 The king of brown sauces is actually Hammond's Chop Brown Sauce (imho). Unfortunately, it's also very hard to find. My mother is very upset - she refuses to buy any other brand. My brother used to get through bottles of the stuff when we were kids. He would put it on everything, but it's especially good with Yorkshire pudding! He also used to like Henderson's Relish, which is similar to Worcestershire sauce but without the anchovies. It's made in Sheffield, where we grew up (and is almost unheard of elswehere), and we had a neighbour who worked at the factory and absolutely reeked of the stuff! Happy days... Mon Aug 18 02:54:44 -0700 2008 3964507 110146 greedygirl 2 3965457 greedy do you remember another brown sauce that was fruitier? There was another one a few years back but it disappeared off the shelves. Mon Aug 18 05:37:39 -0700 2008 3965327 22559 smartie 3 3965465 HP do a fruity version I think. Or maybe it was Daddies? Posher versions are done by Tiptree and Stokes. But Hammonds for the win! Mon Aug 18 05:43:54 -0700 2008 3965457 110146 greedygirl 4 3967201 yes it was Daddies. Don't think it's available any more. Mon Aug 18 15:37:42 -0700 2008 3965465 22559 smartie 5 3982022 Actually I saw it in Asda the other day. No Hammond's though. :-( Sun Aug 24 01:54:40 -0700 2008 3967201 110146 greedygirl 4 5024974 HP does have a "fruity" version; in North America, they've relabeled it "Chicken and Rib". For some reason, "fruity" didn't have the same connotation here... Sat Sep 12 13:40:34 -0700 2009 3965465 1104506 FrankD 2 3971273 I was up in Edinburgh last weekend with friends and we thought that the brown sauce served in the chip shops was superior to the stuff we're used to down south. I have no idea what the difference was; it tasted more vinegar-y. But we couldn't stop eating it. It was like crack. Wed Aug 20 03:02:00 -0700 2008 3965327 14139 Kagey 1 3965485 There's also a north/south divide going on when it comes to brown sauce, which is generally preferred by Northerners. Southerners are more likely to put red sauce (tomato ketchup) on their bacon sandwiches. Everyone prefers ketchup/mayo on chips. Mon Aug 18 05:54:08 -0700 2008 3964507 110146 greedygirl 1 3966848 As I said in another thread, A-1 is thinner and runnier than HP, but the tastes are similar enough that I will ask for A-1 sauce with my breakfast eggs in the US, where HP is generally unavailable in restaurants. I get some pretty weird looks from the waitress, though! Mon Aug 18 13:37:27 -0700 2008 3964507 48210 KevinB 1 3971001 I don't believe that HP is what it was years ago...I cannot say for sure because I have not tracked it over the eons...but I can say that A-1 is certainly NOT what it was 40 years ago. It is much thinner. Lea & Perrins has had a similar change--not in thickness, exactly, but it has changed. Tue Aug 19 21:07:01 -0700 2008 3964507 107060 hazelhurst 2 3971108 Production was moved from Birmingham to the Netherlands a few years ago. Maybe something else got meddled with too. Tue Aug 19 22:08:26 -0700 2008 3971001 67436 stilton 3 5027938 HP definitely switched from glucose-fructose to HFCS at some point. Mon Sep 14 05:49:59 -0700 2009 3971108 12359 monkeyrotica 1 3974941 http://www.jollygrub.com/ Thu Aug 21 08:21:29 -0700 2008 3964507 202497 MattInNJ 1 3980564 HP is definitely NOT the same as A-1 sauce. Also A-1 sauce made in England is not the same as the American A-1 sauce. I got some English-made A-1 sauce at KaDeWe in the food section (6th floor) and realized it was not the same as the American made the first time I tried it. Also it ruined my Cajun steak etoufee. There are a couple of small stores in the Zehlendorf section of Berlin that has the real US A-1 sauce, but it's expensive. Sat Aug 23 08:27:14 -0700 2008 3964507 143360 RevImmigrant 1 3991463 firegoat, try a harris teeter if there is one near you. good condiment selection! Wed Aug 27 11:08:31 -0700 2008 3964507 105717 alkapal 1 4555257 HP is NOT the same as A-1. A-1 is far more piquant and tastes much better. HP is bland and doesn't taste good. Tue Mar 31 14:07:55 -0700 2009 3964507 143360 RevImmigrant 2 4556157 now if you want something really good try Henry Bain sauce Tue Mar 31 18:57:54 -0700 2009 4555257 11854 LaLa 3 5026687 Never heard of it, what is it like and where is it found? Sun Sep 13 13:04:54 -0700 2009 4556157 165021 Firegoat 4 5027864 firegoat, let's meet up in old kentuck and try henry bain at the pendennis club! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Bain_sauce http://www.pendennisclub.org/ maybe i'll have mine on venison. when does deer season open? ;-). <ps, firegoat, check the address of the pendennis club for a real hoot of irony!!!!> Mon Sep 14 04:49:48 -0700 2009 5026687 105717 alkapal 5 5027968 LOL I love it! Okay.... has anyone tried the recipe for the sauce? And I'd totally road trip to kentucky! Mon Sep 14 06:06:19 -0700 2009 5027864 165021 Firegoat