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Staying at the Four Seasons next week. We have been coming down for the past 5 years and really love it. We have always enjoyed Pamplemousse, Vigilucci's, Vivace's at the hotel but anything new and exciting??

Cocktails are a must and don't want to venture much south of Del Mar. Any good sit down Mexican?

I know there have been endless posts about Encinita's, a town I love but am a little lazy and slammed at work before my trip so I apologize and really appreciate any help.

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  1. Blanca in Solana Beach and Market in Del Mar (east of the 5 off Via de la Valle) are both great for Cal Cuisine. For Mexican: Tony's Jacal and Fidel's in Solana Beach, Los Olas in Cardiff and El Callejon in Encinitas all do a solid Tex Mex.

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    1. re: wanker

      "For Mexican: Tony's Jacal and Fidel's in Solana Beach, Los Olas in Cardiff and El Callejon in Encinitas all do a solid Tex Mex"

      I know this will get deleted but I don't know what any of these restaurants have to do with Tex Mex. I don't even think any of them do good Mexican, but that's another story. BTW I just went to Hacienda de Vega for the first time--very nice atmosphere--well that's about it.

    2. Some of the most exciting cuisine can be found at Kaito Sushi, in Encinitas. In Kaito San Diego finally has a sushi bar that will stock only what is at its very best in quality. Although this is a sushi bar where you will likely sample items not readily found at other sushi bars, even items that might seem "ho hum" at other places stands out here, for instance a simple Tako (octopus) or Ebi (shrimp).

      And when it comes to other tane, at Kaito you will get the real thing. For instance what is served as Ama Ebi (sweet shrimp) at other sushi bars is simply an imposter species to what real Ama Ebi is, which I've only found at Kaito. (Much tinier, it will require three of these incredibly sweet and tender shrimps to top a single nigiri.)

      Another example is Kaito's Anago (salt-water eel), which is never frozen. In fact they are the rare sushi bar that actually gets in the Anago whole and unfilleted. (Almost all Anago is processed in Japan and shipped already prepped.) This results in the most tender Anago, which head chef Morita-san delicately adjusts his nigiri technique to match the texture of the rice with the Anago. Their Anago would be one nigiri where all would be well-advised to use their bare hands... (And you can get the roasted Anago bone as a "bar snack", something that you will not easily find anywhere else; most of the Anago bones are left in Japan after filleting...)

      Topping the Anago will be either a simple seal salt/Yuzu Koshou combination or their housemade (and precious) Kabayaki sauce, made carefully over days into a thick reduction of eel and soy. (Other bars will use just a simple syrup from a bottle...)

      And then there are the special tane that is seldom found elsewhere. Live Mizudako (octopus) from Hokkaido, where one leg will reach from outstretched hand to outstretched hand. Sazae, or Japanese conch, wonderful when served as Sashimi. Kamasu, or Japanese baracuda, incredibly aromatic and perfectly matched to the Aburi (searing) technique. Add to this list other incredible items such as Sanma (pike mackerel), Kegani (hairy crab), Shinko (baby Kohada/gizzard shad), Kinmedai (golden eye snapper), Na no Hana (rapeseed flower), Mategai (razor clam), Mekabu (Wakame flower), Sayori (needlefish), and Hoya (sea pineapple).

      If it's traditional sushi that you are after, you will likely find in Kaito an experience that an honest palatte will likely rank amongst a favorite few sushi bars anywhere in the U.S., and most certainly at the very top of the San Diego sushi bar scene.

      They have a very loyal following who would not at all be perturbed not finding commonly available tane in their case. Rather their customers almost exclusively orders omakase, or chef's choice, which is the best way to go at this wonderful sushi bar.

      And if you are new to traditional sushi but are curious what it's like, Kaito is the ideal place for you too. Unlike some traditional sushi bars Kaito does not "outlaw" the ordering of Americanized rolls. One can use that as a starting point to explore the tastes of traditional sushi, with head chef Morita-san as your trusty guide who will help you make selections based upon your taste preferences.

      When you dine at Kaito the adulterated veil of frozen tane that is served elsewhere is lifted, leaving only the clean, pure tastes of what was really practiced in old Tokyo (Edo). Items you thought were familiar is tasted anew; a whole new light is cast upon the sushi experience, and suddenly one realizes the true seasonality and promise of this wonderful cuisine.

      Kaito's "Sushi Blog": http://sushikaito.com/SushiBlog.aspx
      Slideshow: Pictures taken by Kaito's customers: http://sushikaito.com/CustomerPage.aspx

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      Kaito Sushi
      130-A N El Camino Real, Encinitas, CA 92024

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      1. re: cgfan

        I second the rec for Tony's Jacal on Valley Avenue in Solana Beach. I and other natives actually prefer Tony's to its more well-known neighbor, Fidel's. Tony's does great turkey tacos, enchiladas, etc. For fantastic Italian in downtown Encinitas, try Trattoria i Trulli. Since you mentioned cocktails, the bar at the Chart House in Cardiff is a nice sunset option, as is Jake's Del Mar or the Brigantine overlooking the ocean and the Del Mar Racetrack. Hope you enjoy your visit!!

        1. re: cgfan

          2nd Kaito and add Yu Me Ya for izakaya. Kaito's prices are actually very reasonable for the quality you get.

          La Especial Norte in Encinitas has good caldos for cheap.

          Market and Addison in Del Mar are both excellent. Addison is a little more formal than Market but the food is very good.

          Skip the food at the Chart House--it's average at best. Water views are great though.

          For all the Encinitas recs, you could print out the thread and bring it with you to the Four Seasons...

          1. re: cgfan

            Wow cgfan, I don't think anyone else could have summed it up so well! We are so lucky to have this place in our neighborhood. We would eat there every day if we could, it's never the same dinner twice. We look forward to what each season brings us and we often miss things terribly when not in season. I would love some two day Saba right about now... but I know I need to be patient, Kinmedai is waiting instead and Sanma just showed up too! Morita-san has really changed out sushi world!

            1. re: Pablo

              Thanks Pablo for the kind words, and indeed, I too feel lucky to have Kaito in our part of the county and to have found Morita-san back in the days when he was heading the sushi bar at Tomiko. For me I was sold literally upon the very first bite of the very first item I had in front of him - what a revelation it was to taste Morita-san's sushi!

              I must have learned more about sushi sitting in front of Morita-san in just that first year than all of the many years that I've been eating sushi.

              I know everyone has their favorite sushi bar, and my vote for my favorite is quite obvious. But I sincerely believe that Kaito serves sushi that is a level above anything else in the county.

              In the past I would have put the "more authentic" sushi bars in San Diego, those that at least try to predominately serve traditional sushi, in roughly the same league. But I simply have not seen any other sushi bar do the kinds of things that Kaito does in order to deliver quality to their customers. Kaito really needs its own category; as it is that true to its commitment to serve excellent traditional sushi.

              To the many fans of traditional sushi out there in S.D. that haven't had their first taste of Morita-san's sushi - well sushi this good is worth the drive, and there's no reason to settle for anything less for your sushi dollar! With Kaito as my existence proof I now know that there's a whole new world of culinary gold in sushi that only Morita-san seems to know how to mine.

              I think most will find Morita-san's sushi to be a real game changer, a real eye-opener. It certainly was for me.

          2. Have a great time

            Here is my most recent Encinitas over view thread

            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/523051

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            1. re: Enorah

              Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions. Going to try Market and Trattoria i Trulli along with one of the mexican suggestions. Kaito looks great, unfortunately some in the group are not huge sushi fans. I will definitely be reporting back.

              1. re: bigredd

                bigredd, fyi on Trattoria i Trulli. It's a rather small place (maybe 20 tables?) and they do not take reservations on weekends. They do take them during the week. So bottom line, expect a wait, but it'll be worth it.

                1. re: encinitaseater

                  that is good info because we are a party of 10. if we make a reservation during the week, are they ok for large parties?

                  1. re: bigredd

                    I think so. I have to admit I've never gone there with more than 4 people, but I've sure seen them dragging tables together to accommodate larger groups. During the week should not be a problem at all.

                2. re: bigredd

                  Well if you ever find yourself back in S.D., Kaito's the place to go for sushi!

              2. If you're willing to go inland a bit, Hacienda de Vega in Escondido is awesome. The food and service is great. The atmosphere is relaxed, and all seating is outdoors on their patio.

                1. Savory in Encinitas is terrific. Old School French chef, now Southern Cal vibe. Ten should be no problem with reservations. One of my chef man and my faves, but the traffic north keeps us away. So if you need a back up. . .

                  1. someone recommended the crazy burrow to me and I am having trouble getting any info. anybody know anything?

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                    1. re: bigredd

                      big party scene. good place to go and get wasted if you're into that.

                      1. re: bigredd

                        Crazy Burro is average Mexican food in a city with outstanding mexican food. I figure you got the rec because it's close to the Four Seasons where you're staying. It's more of a happy hour and Cougar hang out.

                        1. re: bigredd

                          Crazy Burro is average Mexican food in a city with average Mexican food.

                          1. re: The Old Man

                            Ahh, the old "San Diego Mexican food stinks" argument. It never gets old. :)

                            1. re: encinitaseater

                              Did not say that. Just that it's true of Encinitas/Carlsbad/Oceanside. Apparently the places to go are in San Diego--ala Super Cocina etc.

                              1. re: The Old Man

                                Have you been to Bety's?

                                1. re: Enorah

                                  This is my failing--what do you suggest?

                                  1. re: The Old Man

                                    Everything

                                    I had mole the last time I was there

                                    yum

                                    I love the hand made tortillas

                                    Just go and have fun and be nice

                                    lol

                                  2. re: Enorah

                                    Bety's is great, but it's a little dive, not a real sit down restaurant.

                                    1. re: PGB

                                      I am sorry PGB, but I completely disagree with you. Bety's is not a dive. I always sit down and have table service there. It is small, yes, maybe 10 tables inside and 10 or so tables on the patio, but we have always been able to sit right when we arrive. It is very clean and the food amazing.

                                      Dive implies (at least to me) dark and dirty.

                                      Bety's is clean and light and fresh. I love the wall hangings and Mexican art there.

                                      And again, the food is just awesome. I had the chile rellenos there just last night, in fact. Can't believe I waited so long to order them. That dish has quickly flown to the top of my "What I Love to Eat at Bety's" list.

                                      Maybe you are confusing Juanita's with Bety's? Now Juanita's, that has more of the dive feel to it.

                                      1. re: Enorah

                                        I agree absolutely with Enorah regrading Bety's.
                                        I do like Fidel's also but the food at Bety's is more varied and skillfully prepared.

                            2. re: bigredd

                              Never seen the Crazy Burro mentioned on CH either, it only took me one visit several months ago and now I know why! The Yelpers have a lot to say about it and it's not very pleasant:
                              http://www.yelp.com/biz/crazy-burro-t...

                              With a group of ten, I would go to El Callejon or Las Olas for Mexican, nothing outstanding, but a lot better than the Burro! Or go over to the Forum in Carlsbad to the Yellow Coyote Tortilla Factory. Bety's is the best of the lot, but ten would be a big party for them.

                              1. re: bigredd

                                The Crazy Burro is finally gone. Let's hope that something good fills the spot!

                              2. For Mexican in North County, you can not do any better, imho, than Bety's Tacos or La Especial Norte, both in Encinitas.

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                                La Especial Norte
                                664 N Coast Highway 101, Encinitas, CA 92024

                                Betty's Tacos Restaurant
                                1464 Encinitas Blvd, Encinitas, CA 92024

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                                1. re: Enorah

                                  Yum, yum, yum...agreed. Although I have had some Mexican soup in south San Diego that I find more complex, I will drive the distance to La Especial Norte in the winter to load up on a variety of theirs.

                                  1. re: foodiechick

                                    reveal your Chulajuana caldo spot!!!

                                2. Back from a great week at the Four Seasons Aviara. August is definitely the month to go and thank you for all the great rec's.

                                  Market was the highlight. Great food and service. Heirloom tomatoes are in prime season and the BLT salad and caprese took full advantage. Short ribs were rich and incredible. Presentation on all the dishes was excellent. The only small negative was the wine list is a little pricey. I wish Market was just a little closer to L.A.

                                  Trattoria i Trulli was the other hit of the week. Very tasty pastas with great, friendly service. I would eat here every week.

                                  Tried La Especial Norte and it was what I thought it would be. Average Cal Mex with good strong margarita's.

                                  Bistro West is a perfect example of a restaurant trying to do too many things well. Had the petrale sole piccata and it was ok. Pizza was weak and the pork dumplings too doughy. Calamari was rubbery and tasteless. I will say the service was pretty good for a large party but we will not return.

                                  Vigilucci's in Carlsbad on State St. was better than average. Again, good pasta with matching service. Not on the Trattoria i Trulli level but we enjoyed our evening.

                                  Thanks again for all your help!

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                                  1. re: bigredd

                                    So glad you enjoyed your trip down. It's funny with restaurant recs; I always sort of cringe when making one because food is so subjective and so many factors (service, table, dining company, etc.) come into play in deciding whether or not a person will have a good time. Glad our little Trattoria i Trulli came through for you!! We love it.