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Ketchup on Hot Dogs

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I know some people think this is wrong, but I don't know why.

I like hot dogs with chili, mustard, and cheese


ketchup, mustard, and relish (Dodger Dogs)

I know some people just cringe at ketchup on a hot dog and some places won't serve it, but I have never had it explained satisfactorily. XH just about flipped when he saw his own children eating ketchup on hot dogs.

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  1. I think people associate ketchup on hotdogs as a childhood thing, something one "grows out of" when one becomes older and "sophisticated." In this context, the hotdog is merely a delivery vector for the ketchup. Kids like sweet crap, mine will dunk everything on his plate in the stuff. But at a certain critical juncture in a child's development, they switch from ketchup to mustard. At that point, the heirarchy is changed and the hotdog and the topping become part of a symbiotic whole.

    Of course you have the snooty types who feel that ketchup on a dog is an abomination. I don't mind ketchup at all and think the sweetness goes well on particularly salty brands of hotdogs, Hebrew Nationals in particular.

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    1. re: monkeyrotica

      I didn't exactly grow up on eating hot dogs, being German and all, but frankly, whenever I have one, it has to have ketchup and mustard on it. No thanks to the relish, tho, that's kinda overkill on the sweetness.

      1. re: linguafood

        Don't you think that's putting a rather fine point on it? I mean, are Wurstbrötchen actually more different from a NY hot dog than the latter is from a Chicago dog? When said Wurst comes out of a steamer, the only real difference I see is that the sausage and the bread are usually of higher quality (though not always).

        I would love to see the reaction of some of the anti-ketchup purists to a Berliner Currywurst :-)

        (And for my part, I'm not so into ketchup generally ... on fries, dogs, whatever. Good Currywurst being the notable exception. )

        1. re: tmso

          The only context that I would eat an American-style hot dog in is in its cotton-y "roll", with Heinz ketchup and French's mustard. What can I say, in my case it probably is some sort of childhood memory, where hot dogs were 'something different'. Same as with burgers, but let's not start a new burger debate :-D

          A good German bratwurst doesn't need any ketchup, only mustard. Hot mustard. Nor does it need a Brötchen, in my opinion.

          I could lead a very happy life if I never ate a currywurst again...

          1. re: linguafood

            I still fail to see the difference between an American hot dog and a steamed Frankfurter/Wiener würstchen, but I guess I can see it being a childhood thing. Probably similar to the distinction between grilled hotdogs and bratwursts in the US (what?). Still, if you're going for the super-American variation, you need the sweet relish. Not that I like it (I don't actually like hotdogs), but it's *the* big typical difference I can see between a hotdog and a Wurstbrötchen. The cottony roll isn't strictly necessary, you do sometimes see something closer to a petit pain or a brötchen. Especially if it's grilled.

            As for a good bratwurst, I agree (except I'd go for medium-hot, so as not to overpower the sausage). But the same goes for all sausages, if they're good. Not-so-good, well, I point you to the extensive ketchup selection in German supermarkets. Still, give me a grilled Italian fennel sausage any day of the week instead.

            As for currywurst, I think it's very much the Berlin equivalent of a hotdog. Loved by some, disdained by some, eaten by the majority. I've had a couple (I think 3, actually) and I'll certainly have at least one more. Probably not many more than two more, though ;-)

            1. re: linguafood

              >>A good German bratwurst doesn't need any ketchup, only mustard. Hot mustard. Nor does it need a Brötchen, in my opinion.<<

              My brats has to have a base layer of sauerkraut and then add a bit of ketchup to take the "sourness" out of it. Yummie! :-D

              Now the local old timers seem to have the need for horseradish and mustard on every dog or brat they intend to devour. Even though hot mustard seems to contain horseradish, it just isn't the same in their opinion.

              Ketchup seems to be still an option, to all concerned parties.

        2. re: monkeyrotica

          I totally agree with your opinion. When I see adults drown food in ketchup I consider that some sort of developmental flaw. I'm not one to judge though. I do keep organic ketchup on hand for sauces and the occasional french fry but NEVER on a hot dog!

          1. re: stricken

            "When I see adults drown food in ketchup I consider that some sort of developmental flaw. I'm not one to judge though."


          2. re: monkeyrotica

            As you say it may
            became a symbiotic whole.
            So as you become older your tastes
            and your preferences may change.
            As I became older I changed
            from Ketchup to Mustard and onions.
            I still like a lot of Ketchup.
            I still buy the jumbo sizes of Ketchup
            and Mustard at the store. I also
            buy a large whole onion everything
            I go to the store.

          3. I have never understood the "oh no never ketchup on a hot dog" thing. Seems kind of affected to think that there's a "proper" way to eat something as low on the "dining out" chain as a hot dog. I like my hot dog with everything, pretty much.

            1. Show me a place nearby that refuses to serve me ketchup on hotdogs and I'll show you a fracas.

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              1. re: TarheelYankee

                the Roast Grill in Raleigh is famous or perhaps, infamous for not allowing ketchup

                1. re: chicaraleigh

                  really? I wish I'd have known that, I was just there (in the Raleigh area).

                  What do they say when you ask for it?

                  edit: I just googled it, I see how they can get away with it, by not offering anything else on the "menu" that would create the possibility of using ketchup.

                  (rolling eyes)

                  1. re: TarheelYankee

                    Father's Office in LA serves fries n addition to their famous burger, and they still somehow "get away" with a ketchup ban.

                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                      I've seriously never heard of such a thing... what do they care if you want ketchup on your dog?

                      1. re: TarheelYankee

                        Seriously. I didn't even know there was some kind of snooty movement against ketchup. Oh well. I'll put whatever I want on my hotdog, and for me it's absolutely necessary to have one with chili, cheese and ketchup, and one with ketchup, yellow mustard and relish.... I don't think I'd be a patron somewhere that felt they were 'above' using ketchup *gasp*

                        1. re: MichelleRenee

                          oh michelle, you'll find that we chowhounders get snooty about all kinds of things. just stick to your guns and do your own thing -- that's what we all pretty much do anyhow.

                          ps, i'm a southerner and grew up putting everything on a hot dog -- mayo, ketchup, mustard, relish. and doggone it, i might just do that tomorrow. i haven't had a hot dog in a while.

                          ok...it may be a knockwurst, and i may skip the mayo and ketchup in favor of kraut. on the other had, a regular dog, like off a bbq grill with a little charring, would be good naked or all dressed up. hmmm, do i have charcoal?

                    2. re: TarheelYankee

                      well, as far as I know....no one asks for it because there's a huge sign with a circle with a \ thru it and the word ketchup underneath

                      next time i'm over there, i'll make my son order ketchup and see how it goes then report back :-)

                      i think i also saw on the history channel's "history of the hot dog" that SuperDawg in Chicago will give you packets of ketchup but won't actually put ketchup on the dog

                      as for me, i like a hot dog with just about anything, but never never ketchup AND chili on the same dog....

                2. I'm a mustard and coleslaw (or sauerkraut) man myself, but why anyone should care about ketchup on a frank is beyond me. After all, sweet relish on hot dogs is perfectly acceptable - why not ketchup?

                  1. In my experience, the only time ketchup is properly forbidden from topping a hot dog is in the case of the Chicago-style hot dog. Not only is the processed stuff redundant when there is already fresh tomato on the dog, the ketchup would overwhelm all the other flavors balanced atop a proper Vienna Beef frank.

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                    1. re: JungMann

                      That, and as well with chili dogs.

                    2. Well, I don't like Chicago Dogs at all. Don't want a salad on my hot dog, unless it is coleslaw. So, I guess I won't ever order a hot dog if I'm in Chicago. But, this dislike seems to be universal, not limited to Chicago (where I have only been one time)

                      "Or this job either, having to wade though the scum of this city. Get swept away by bigger and bigger waves of corruption, apathy, and red tape. No that doesn't bother me....But you know what does bother me?! You know what makes me really sick to my stomach?! Is watching you stuff your face with those hotdogs. Nobody....I mean nobody puts ketchup on a hotdog. " ~~ Dirty Harry

                      The people who associate ketchup with hot dogs and are, therefore, derisive ~~ do they deride the use of ketchup altogether, i.e. w/french fries, etc. ???? Who writes the rules on what is "acceptable" or not. I'm really curious.

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                      1. re: laliz

                        So laliz, I think you answered your own question with the Dirty Harry quote . . . it's movies that set the rules. LOL!

                        I used to use ketchup when I was a kid, and I put ketchup on my grandson's hot dog. No one has had a hissy fit because of this, though. I think that whatever you want is fair game. I had read about this burger place in Houston, where the owners are from up north. They said they wouldn't put mayo on a burger, just mustard, because that is how it is meant to be. Well, I love a challenge so I went and ordered my cheeseburger with lettuce, tomatoes and mayo. They didn't give me any flack and I got what I wanted. They may have been cringing, but who knows?

                        1. re: laliz

                          I was in Chicago on Monday and had a Chicago dog made with Vienna Beef. It was pretty good even with all the stuff on it. I would never say it's the best though.. I sometimes use ketchup on a dog. I'm in New England, plenty of great natural casing dogs here.

                        2. Kosher dog with ketchup and sweet relish for me.

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                          1. re: TampaAurora

                            mustard and kraut, but please feel free to adulterate your food how you see fit...

                          2. I am an adult and I eat ketchup on hot dogs. I will add fried onions if they are available, but if not, ketchup alone will do. I don't get the idea that ketchup on hot dogs is for kids and sophisticated, grown-up palates require different condiments. Hot dogs themselves are not sophisticated and grown up. Who cares what you put on top of them?

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                            1. re: Blush

                              I do both ketchup and mustard together. On Hoffmann dogs! The best! But on their Snappys, only brown mustard will do. To each their own.

                              1. re: chocchipcookie

                                My daughter will occasionally put ketchup and mustard on bratwurst. I occasionally razz her about it, but she replies about mu use of searing hot mustard on dogs and brat.

                                Does anyone make ketchup that does not contain HFCS?

                                1. re: Kelli2006

                                  Heinz organic ketchup doesn't have HFCS, and has that good old Heinz flavor profile.

                                  1. re: Kelli2006

                                    If you have Trader Joe's or Whole Foods near you, you'll easily be able to find ketchup with no HFCS. Personally, the TJ's brand tastes just like Heinz to me but without the HFCS. And I love ketchup. It is much maligned. Mustard is gross. Tastes like feet. Yuk. :D There's nothing better to cut the salty, mystery meat flavor of a hot dog than sweet ketchup and relish (especially the neon green Chicago style relish).

                                    1. re: Jen76

                                      LOL! I've had people say mustard tastes bad before, but never that it tastes like feet...! What brand are you buying? '-)

                                      1. re: Caroline1

                                        I have tried many brands, from classic French's to expensive gourmet. My husband and father are mustard fiends.

                                        1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                                          HAHA! My thoughts exactly. Jen apparently doesn't do certain things with feet.

                                          1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                                            Maybe it's when mustard is put on a "footlong" hotdog... ?

                                            I spend a lot of time with my food and my wine, trying to make taste differentiations, but have NEVER encountered this. Must be the flavors of mustard that I use - or I have not spent enough time with feet.



                                            1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                                              Oh man. I needed a laugh today and I just saw these replies - a whole year later!

                                              I do not make a habit out of tasting feet at all, but sometimes, one cannot help but smell them from afar, unfortunately. ;)

                                              And there's someone that agrees with me on the feet correlation below!

                                            2. re: Jen76

                                              i love mustard - but then, if its the right person, i like feet too

                                              1. re: Jen76

                                                I bought a bottle of Whole foods 365 ketchup I am eagerly awaiting the grilling of a burger or maybe fries this weekend for a taste comparison.

                                                I only put Cleveland stadium mustard on a dog,followed by kraut and maybe grilled onions.

                                        2. Proudly I embrace the label "hot dog snob".

                                          I would sooner put ketchup on a steak from Peter Luger's than desecrate a hot dog with that stuff. Ketchup on a hot dog is an abomination. It just is. In fact, our Creator prohibited the stuff on the Holy Frankfurter. It was one of the Lost Commandments that was originally handed down to Moses.

                                          I know that some argue "that's how I eat mine, and who are you to tell me otherwise?" Well, if you want to defile a perfect food, I can't stop you. I just wish that you wouldn't do it in public. It's a shameful act that years ago was only committed in the privacy of one's home. I have to admit that my son used to engage in this behavior. I was shocked and had to question my wife regarding the boy's paternity. Nonetheless he stopped this antisocial behavior when he turned 16. Part of it had to do with the maturing process, while the rest of it was because I had threatened to put him up for adoption. My wife and I spent a lot of time and effort administering some tough love in an attempt to turn my son around. I'm glad things turned out ok.

                                          My daughter (22 and out of the house) never put ketchup on a hot dog. But for some inexplicable reason, she stopped eating meat at the age of 16. But that's another story for another day.

                                          The topic of ketchup on a hot dog has come up frequently on Chowhound. I am an opinionated person, especially when it comes to hot dogs, beer, religion, and politics. But I have refrained, until recently, from commenting on this subject. Why? you may ask. Because it scares me. I've been reluctant to discuss the issue, but I feel like I can share something personal with my Chowhound family. According to my regular family, I spend more time on these forums listening to you people than them. Anyway, about two years ago I had the most horrible nightmare I've ever had. Fascists took over the country and the first thing they did was take away the right of law abiding citizens to own guns. Then they decreed that hot dogs must be eaten with ketchup. Michael Hoffman was right! He is a wise man who should be taken seriously. As leader of the opposition, I was arrested. The fascists wanted to make an example of me, so they put me on national television and tried to force feed me a hot dog with ketchup on it.

                                          Just before they were able to pry my mouth open, I woke up in a cold sweat. I was so scared that I jumped in my car and drove to my childhood home. I crawled into bed between my elderly parents and even insisted that my mother go up into the attic and bring down my old teddy bear and security blanket. With the help of a loving family and a good therapist, I have been making progress dealing with my phobia.

                                          This whole ketchup on a hot dog abomination should have been nipped in the bud. Because it wasn't, we are reaping the consequences. Reprobates have opened trendy hot dog restaurants (in New Jersey of all places!) and introduced all kinds of deviations from the traditional hot dog. In addition to ketchup, we now have such things as cream cheese, peanut butter, broccoli rabe, corn flakes, and eggs being thrown at us. And that's just some of the things. The rest I've blocked out, fearing a relapse and a possible return to the psychiatrist's couch. I shudder to think what might be next. The rumor going around in hot dog circles is that two twenty something guys are looking to open their own place soon. Their goal is to outdo the existing hot dog eateries where the focus is the crap piled on the dog rather than the dog itself. Proposed toppings include raisinets, gummy bears, rice crispies, oatmeal, and sweet tarts.

                                          Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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                                          1. re: hotdoglover

                                            How can someone be a snob about something made out of lips and asses? :P

                                            and where these trendy hot dog joints in NJ you speak of? I find it hard to find a good dog around these parts.

                                            1. re: TarheelYankee

                                              "and where these trendy hot dog joints in NJ you speak of? I find it hard to find a good dog around these parts."
                                              particularly since the demise of my beloved Callahan's :(

                                              1. re: TarheelYankee

                                                "Lips and asses?" I take issue with that statement. It's well known that most hotdogs are made from snouts and peckers.

                                                I wouldn't have a problem with ketchup, except the junk is just too sweet. All that high-fructose corn syrup makes it taste like Karo with food dye in it.

                                                1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                  Ketchup doesn't have to have HFCS in it. I don't buy ketchup with HFCS.

                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                    Yup. Me neither. I go with Heinz organic. But sometimes you're out at a hotdog stand and that isn't an option. So I tend to pass on ketchup.

                                                    Kinda off topic, but I noticed that a lot of fat-free salad dressings are LOADED with HFCS. It's like the second ingredient. So no fat, but all the corn syrup you'd find in the average bottle of BBQ sauce.

                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                      I guess that makes perfect sense, unfortunately, since sugar and salt have always been the go-to ingredients for producers of "fat-free" versions of national brand foods. Just about any reduced fat version of a normally savory food will have a significantly higher amt. of salt, and the same is true of sugar in a lowfat or fat free dessert. I guess they've got to try to compensate for what's missing, but usually the food remains just as unhealthy due to what was added, anyway.
                                                      Now we don't even get sugar, anymore- we get HFCS!

                                                      1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                        Most products that are "lite", "low-fat" or "fat free" have HFCS. They take out the fat and need to replace that flavor so what else, but sweetness.

                                                        I learned this from my nutritionist when I was first diagnosed w/ type 1 diabetes. She said avoid products with those labels b/c they are higher in carbs.

                                                    2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                      Ruth's right, not all ketchup contains HFCS...organic varieties, Annie's Naturals, and the Whole Foods 365 ketchup are all HFCS-free. unfortunately, the ketchup you find at most burger & dog joints is likely one that does contain HFCS, primarily because it's a more cost-effective product for them. as Ruth said, she doesn't *buy* ketchup with HFCS. however, we don't have much control over what we're served outside of our homes unless we bring our own.

                                                      and if you get busted with it at Father's Office, organic or not, you're gonna have some 'splainin to do, Lucy ;)

                                                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                        Canadian ketchup doesn't have it either.


                                                      2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                        Heinz organic is a good alternative that's widely available. I actually really enjoy this delicious organic ketchup from Italy called "Rubrica", made with minimal ingredients, including organic Italian tomatoes. It comes in two types: "Rubrica" and "Rubrica Hot", which is really actually fairly mild, but with a pleasant kick. I only know of one place to get it, though, here in NY.

                                                        1. re: vvvindaloo

                                                          yes, have tried the organic Heinz, and it doesn't have that "gakky" aftertaste caused by the HFCS. Loads better than the regular Heinz. Curiously, in the U.S. when asked, more people said Heinz is the best but a taste-test showed that those who were tested actually preferred Hunt's (don't know if it was a blind taste-test).

                                                          1. re: mkmccp

                                                            Depends: the difference between Hunts and Heinz (according to Hunts rep) is Heinz has more vinegar and Hunts has more sugar (meaning HFCS). According to him, otherwise they're identical.

                                                              1. re: coll

                                                                there's also the fact that heinz vinegar is the best on the market. anywhere. in da world.

                                                      3. re: hotdoglover


                                                        Brilliant, Bravo and Thank you for a great laugh.

                                                        This kid from Elizabeth would have been beaten to a pulp if he ever ordered ketchup on a dog past the age of 12. And he has proudly flown the flag on stop calling all those topping on pizza, pizza (hear ye CPK).

                                                        Yes jfood can accept the Chicago hot dog as a good try, but there ain;t no place like NJ for an HD (CT is close).

                                                        When little jfood friends come over for a cookout and they ask for ketchup for the dogs, they will suffer tremendous abuse prior to that red on red gloppy mess. At some point our colleges will teach them the proper etiquette for the dog.

                                                        Keep up the good work on this tradition.

                                                        BTW - you looked great on the FN

                                                        1. re: jfood

                                                          Thanks jfood! At least someone on here has a sense of humor. Some of the guys on the Munchmobile actually made a funny video mocking me for being against ketchup on a hot dog. You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDcOKK...

                                                          Look me up next time you're in Jersey and we'll grab a dog together. I probably go to Jerry's in Elizabeth more than any other place. Fantastic, simple, old school dog with a good beef flavor, excellent snap, and perfect with just a little mustard. I've been to Connecticut many times and love the dogs there. Rosco's and the Glenwood Drive In are 2 of my favorites.

                                                          You and vvvindaloo make excellent points about pizza and toppings. With hot dogs I think the focus should be on the dog, not the stuff you put on it. For many people, especially down south, the dog is viewed as a holder for the chili and coleslaw.

                                                          I did have ketchup on a dog a few years ago. By mistake of course. My son couldn't finish his dog (with ketchup) so he gave it to me. I took a bite without thinking and immediately my body went into shock. My vital organs started to shut down. Fortunately there was a nurse walking by who happenned to be trained in CPR. She got the ketchup off my lips and was able to bring me around. It was close, though, but I pulled through.

                                                          As far as hot dogs being made of lips and asses, that is, for the most part an old wives tale. Producers of frankfurters are required by law to list the ingredients on the package. Good franks are made from meat (beef and pork) trimmings. Great hot dogs are made from whole cuts of beef, or beef and pork. My favorite beef dog is made from a blend of choice and lean meat. My favorite German style frank is made from good cuts of beef and pork that comes right off of their hams. The higher quality hot dogs have better meat in them than what most people eat for supper. Only if you see the words "variety meats" on the package will there be a chance of undesirable ingredients. If you see these words, head for the hills.

                                                          To those who ask, Amazing Hot Dog in Bound Brook (N.J.) and Maui's Dog House are 2 places that go crazy with toppings. Both places serve exceptiol dogs that I enjoy with mustard only, but those who like a quality dog with a variety of toppings will enjoy the offerings at these places.

                                                          1. re: hotdoglover

                                                            Love the video, thanks for the laugh. I grew up in Chicago, I love Chicago dogs and I do not understand or condone ketchup on hot dogs. I also like hot dog toppings that lend themselves well to mustard, like chili and sauerkraut, but I don't get or like coleslaw. Ketchup on hot dogs is one of the few food related things that make me cringe. I don't know why it is cringe worthy, but it is. I don't put it out for others if I serve hot dogs, but I would give it to them if they asked and then I would lovingly mock them.;-)

                                                            I will say that I do not particularly like ketchup, I find it too sweet. I don't use it on my french fries, I prefer a healthy dose of pepper. I don't, however, care if other people want to use ketchup on their fries.

                                                            1. re: hotdoglover

                                                              HDL and jfd...many of the delis here in Baltimore serve a good kosher hot dog with several slices of fried bologna..a little deli mustard and raw onion
                                                              and ya got a great dog!!

                                                              1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                only if dessert is at spiritos.

                                                                jfood has finally convinced his dinner group on a road trip for raviolis at spiritos after labor day. gotta figure out when to explain the no-butter etiquette.

                                                                1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                  hotdoglover, I grew up in Hamden, in West Woods near the Glenwood Drive In. It was an institution since the early sixties. It burned to the ground in the 60's, and Wayne Stone rebuilt his father's legacy. Much to his credit, he has supported youth athletics in a huge way, since my little-league baseball and youth hockey years, more than anyone in town.
                                                                  And to this day, their foot-long Hummels, plus their char-grilled burgers with the works, and Ipswich fried clams, remain a life-long institution.
                                                                  I am proud in a strange way that out of staters cross bridges and pay tolls to sample the fare there. I am hopeful that maybe a bit of their history and charity reaffirms the correctness of your visit...

                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                    Yes, thanks for the history. I love the Glenwood.

                                                              2. re: hotdoglover

                                                                I would hate to be thhe guy in front of you in the deli line and order
                                                                "CORNED BEEF ON WHITE BREAD WITH LETTUCE,TOMATO AND MAYONAISE" TO GO

                                                                1. re: Hue

                                                                  i'm not so sure you could find a bona fide deli in the tri-state area that would serve corned beef on white bread ;)

                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                    Come to fairfield county. they do not have corn beef and the boars head crap they have will do nicely with white bread. no bagels, no pastrami, no novey, please dont get jfood going. At least the pizza and hot dogs are great.

                                                                  2. re: Hue

                                                                    ha, that sounds almost as bad as the guy in the italian deli who orders salami, prosciutto, provolone, lettuce, tomato, mustard and mayo. i just don't get it.

                                                                  3. re: hotdoglover

                                                                    Thank you for this post, albeit a year later! I too only like mustard on my hot dog, and sometimes a bit of chili and onion. Hate the green relish from outer space though. And mustard only on burgers too.......

                                                                  4. You just stirred up a hornets nest. ooohhh baby!

                                                                    /doesn't like ketchup on a HD, but what you do is your business..

                                                                    1. I am of the belief that if you like the way it tastes is not wrong. Yes many see ketchup on a hot dog as something a child would do but does a hot dog have to be grown upand sophisticated? It may not be "acceptable" but come on, it's food enjoy it. You should see the looks I get when I put BBQ sauce on mine.

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                                                                      1. re: misnatalie

                                                                        Yup. Save me from the food correctness police. I hate mustard. On anything. I like ketchup and relish and chopped onion on my hotdogs. So sue me.

                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                          I'm with you, Ruth. Well sort of. Ketchup, onions, hot peppers. No relish, thanks, unless it's corn relish. Make it a class action lawsuit.

                                                                          1. re: Nyleve

                                                                            Hot dog, potatoes & peppers NO BUN!
                                                                            the bread ruins it for me.

                                                                          2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                            Sue me too! I HATE mustard - passionately. Mayo inspires the same emotions in me - I can never be truly a chowhound according to hot dog and condiment etiquette. I guess I need the sweetness of tomato to counter the killer heartburn and long lasting return from hot dogs.

                                                                            1. re: TampaAurora

                                                                              Yay! More mustard haters! We should form a support group. I can taste the tiniest amount of mustard in almost anything. YUK. And honey mustard is an abomination to honey.

                                                                              I agree with you, Tampa, about the sweetness of the ketchup to counter the dogs.

                                                                              1. re: Jen76

                                                                                I agree about tasting it in small amounts. As a child, I mixed ketchup and honey for my "special sauce" and always wondered why anyone would ruin honey with mustard. My SO and I can't eat hotdogs without making fun of the smells of each other's food - he thinks ketchup smells like death and I think his mustard smells like feet.

                                                                        2. Hey, I like mayo on mine along with mustard and ketchup. And I back down to no man in my adventursome palate. There is something about hot dogs and BBQ, in particularly, which makes people insist that the way it is done in their region or (their family) is the ONLY way and anything else is just not done in polite society.

                                                                          Here is a great topping they used to serve on hot dogs at Mutt and Jeff's in Tallahassee....mayo mixed with barbecue sauce with some chopped cabbage. It is wonderful When they were open, I would have a couple with a cup of coffee for breakfast.

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                                                                          1. re: steakman55

                                                                            OMG that sounds so good. I'll have to remember that for my next cookout

                                                                              1. re: laliz

                                                                                makes perfect sense - similar to putting a dollop of slaw on a BBQ sandwich. yum.

                                                                          2. For some reason, I thought it was just a regional thing. Here in New York (at least if you grew up here) someone will always say something like "Are you from California or what? although in a friendly way (I swear) but I didn't know the rest of the country had problems with it? My niece was just here from SD and wanted ranch dressing on EVERYTHING (including knishes) but I thought it was exotic and cute. Maybe because she is! Oh yeah and mustard on her hamburgers. Well she grew up there, so it's all good.

                                                                            1. To me, any place that won't let you put ketchup on your hotdog is a no go place.
                                                                              It's my dog and you can't tell me how I'm gonna eat it.

                                                                              Who decided that it's acceptable but putrid rotten cabbage on a dog is acceptable??

                                                                              Incidentally, I like kraut on my dogs. I like ketchup on my dogs. Not together though.


                                                                              1. As an adult, I still think that all-beef hot dogs are simply a vehicle for ketchup. I love some of the finer things, but as I rarely even eat hot dogs anymore I still revert each time I do.

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                                                                                1. re: TripChick

                                                                                  I agree, as an adult when I do indulge with a hot dog, I love that nostalgic feeling they give me. Not to say there isn't room for growth sometime we need to pacify the inner child.

                                                                                2. kids all over the world eat hot dogs with ketchup on them, as i did during my childhood in europe. i eventually graduated to both ketchup and mustard, then ketchup, mustard and relish (a favorite to this day). i really didn't care for sauerkraut until the last couple of years, but then began substituting the ketchup with kraut, to which i added mustard and relish. most recently, i have even quit the relish and enjoy dogs with mustard (must be spicy) and kraut, only.
                                                                                  i rarely eat only one dog at a time, however, and my usual combo is one dog with mustard and kraut to start, and then one with mustard ketchup and relish for dessert.
                                                                                  i also prefer potato rolls, but that's another issue.

                                                                                  i am tempted to agree with those who ask how one can be so adamantly snobbish about such a "pedestrian" food. i really think that certain foods just don't lend themselves to strict rules on consumption, the hot dog being a prime candidate for this list.
                                                                                  but then i remember how i feel about pizza. i try not to care, but when i see "gourmet toppings" such as bbq chicken, avocado, mayonnaise, or shrimp, among many other things, i cannot help but be perturbed. i am similarly dismayed when i see people compulsively shaking all sorts of dry, stale flakes on a perfectly good slice: dried oregano, dried hot pepper flakes, garlic and onion powders, and my favorite- fake grated smelly "parmesan" from a giant plastic jar. why not just open up a packet of freeze-dried salad dressing powder mix and pour it on top? i dare anyone to actually taste the pizza with all of that crap showered on it!

                                                                                  so even though i feel i should be able to eat a hot dog any way that makes me happy, i can understand those who have strong opinions against ketchup (or mayo, or cheese, or whatever).

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                                                                                  1. re: vvvindaloo

                                                                                    I was lucky enough to go to my favorite hole in the wall pizza spot for the first time in 3 years or so, the Scheme in Salina, KS. I went with my parents and boyfriend... and we got normal toppings, pepperoni being my topping of choice. I then promptly poured honey all over the top of my slice. Is this wrong?
                                                                                    (because baby if it is... I don't want to be right)
                                                                                    I personally am a ketchup and mustard hot dog eater, as well as on brats. If cheese is available, throw that on too. In Tulsa, the go to hot dog places are the Coney Islanders. They WILL put ketchup on your dog.... but you do get a hard time about it.

                                                                                    1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                      I'm not even going to rise to the bait on this one.

                                                                                    2. re: vvvindaloo

                                                                                      There's a hot dog stand in Vancouver called "Japa Dog". This is the first place I am going when I head to BC in the winter...

                                                                                      From the website:
                                                                                      "Hotdog stand, JAPA DOG in Vancouver, Canada. Japanese started in Vancouver. We have many kind of hotdogs. The JAPA DOG comes in three perkily perfect versions: the Terimayo is smothered in Japanese mayo, nori, teriyaki sauce, and fried onions: the Oroshi is a bratwurst laden with special soy sauce, green onions, and daikon: Misomayo is turkey smokie laden with special miso sauce, Kaiware, and japanese mayo. "


                                                                                      1. re: mogo

                                                                                        Is this the same as what Anthony Bourdain ate? The Oroshi sounds dangerously good.

                                                                                        1. re: TampaAurora

                                                                                          yup, it's the hot dog stand featured on his show.

                                                                                        2. re: mogo

                                                                                          We have those in Utah now! I haven't tried one yet, namely because the place who makes them has so many other appealing choices (it's a Greek restaurant in Park City).

                                                                                        3. re: vvvindaloo

                                                                                          I feel the same way you do. Back off....a little bit of ketchup tastes good on my dog...along with mustard, relish, AND sourkraut. Of course, about the only time I ever eat a dog is at ballgames and picnics....so its a rare treat.

                                                                                          But I do understand Hotdoglover's passion about NOT having ketchup on his (her?) dog. After all, I feel exactly the same way about mustard on my hamburger. I have been known to go slightly nuts when the mustard was put on the burger, even after I very specifically and pointedly asked for NO MUSTARD. In about that tone. A very big pet peave of mine...and if it happens I will NOT eat that burger, even if the mustard is scraped off.

                                                                                          But a little mustard is fine on my dog, and on other sandwiches as well. go figure. But ketchup is required. And I feel that its a free country; I'll eat my dog anyway I want. I respect your right to eat yours the way you want. And if you won't serve me the ketchup, that's ok...there's plenty of places that will.....

                                                                                          1. re: janetofreno


                                                                                            Good post! Not only do I hate ketchup on a hot dog, but like you, I can't stand mustard on a hamburger. And I love mustard. I use ketchup as well, but only on burgers (not fries), and Taylor Ham, Egg, and Cheese sandwiches. Corned beef hash also. I try to be funny, but in reality I don't really care what people put on their food. If it tastes good and you like it, do it. It's just that I personally love hot dogs and think they taste best with just a little mustard. Occasionally I will have some chili on a dog. I'm not crazy about relish and if I was I wouldn't put it on a beef dog for the same reason I don't put ketchup on a dog; I don't like it and the sweetness interferes with the flavor of the dog and doesn't go well with it in my opinion. However, a place called Rutt's Hut makes a unique relish (like no other) that goes very well with their mild, pork based deep fried dog. A great and unique condiment. I would never put it on a beef dog though.

                                                                                            Let me suggest that those of you close to Elizabeth, N.J. go to Jerry's Famous frankfurters. First have one with just mustard. Then try one with whatever topping you want. Then see which one you prefer. Jerry's serves an absolutely delicious smaller natural casing beef frank (Best's) that is boiled, then put in a steel compartment like a grill for a few minutes for added crunch. These dogs are so good that I can wolf down about 5 or 6 of them. As good a dog as you will eat plus only 3 miles from my home. I go here more than any other hot dog joint.

                                                                                        4. Not for me. I am very picky about my hot dogs to begin with and don't reach for ketchup as a rule. I do like relish, grilled onions, mustard and on occasion I can be talked into saurkraut or coleslaw. Sometimes chili and cheese but it gets messy. I did swirl mustard and ketchup on my plate once and dipped a bite of hot dog in there, it was ok but not the carnage inducing sin some people make it out to be (and I'm from Jersey) - this is actually a great way to eat pigs in a blanket, which I will eat if someone makes them. Pigs in blankets just taste better if someone else makes them., no one knows why.

                                                                                          1. "Won't serve it" is a gimmick.

                                                                                            Sometimes I like em one way, sometimes another. Though I can't quite fathom adding tomato or peppers or a bunch of other salad.

                                                                                            1. I must not be an adult, yet, and thus did not received the grown-ups-only rule book that says that ketchup is frowned upon as a hot dog topping. Just thought it was a preference, not a normative thing!

                                                                                              I like ketchup on my dogs. I also like cheese or salsa or kimchee or chili or chopped onions or chopped scallions or cucumbers or bacon or whatever else looks like it might belong on a hot dog that's within easy reach at the time. Generally, I don't put them all on at once, but if I were... honestly... who cares? There are so many more important things in the world to be appalled at.

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                                                                                              1. re: cimui

                                                                                                Amen, cimui. Ipersonally am not a big ketchup fan, but anm ecumenical about the hot dog religion.
                                                                                                I learned to love dogs (polser) in Norway topped w/ a mayo shrimp salad, in Finland stuffed into a deep fried meat pie (liha pirraka), in South America with mayo, onions and (shhhh) ketchup. In New Mexico w/ jalapenos and onions and mayo or crema, and as a Jersey Kid I loved my Italian dog w/ a little ketchup (Fess up jfood & hotdoglover did you put a little ketchup on ann Italian dog?). It's a rainy summer day and I think I'll cook up some dogs w/ my 19 year old ( a ketchup fan) and discuss this thread. Maybe I'll make a "Jersey Special" A dog w/ taylor pork roll, a fried egg on a Kaiser roll with ........ketchup.
                                                                                                I hate being told anything is forbidden. What does the Ketchup Council (Prairie Home Companion) say?
                                                                                                hotdoglover, I enjoyed the vid.

                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                  >> I learned to love dogs (polser) in Norway topped w/ a mayo shrimp salad

                                                                                                  wow... if only i had mayo shrimp salad within easy reach. that sounds pretty fabulous.

                                                                                                  >> What does the Ketchup Council (Prairie Home Companion) say?

                                                                                                  the ketchup council notes the correllation between a decline in standardized test scores and moral values, nationwide, and decreased use of ketchup as a h-dog condiment.

                                                                                                  1. re: cimui

                                                                                                    You do have shrimp salad easily available! I think I may have to visit Fairway this afternoon to try out this combination on some Hebrew Nationals. I'd try it on the Vienna Beefs I have in my freezer, but that would just be desecration!

                                                                                                    If you want to wean yourself off ketchup and hotdogs, Sriracha is a more than adequate substitute! Especially with cheese and/or perhaps a little kimchi.

                                                                                                    1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                      I don't want to wean myself, but I do LOVE sriracha on a dog. Sriracha pretty much goes with anything. ;)

                                                                                                      1. re: JungMann

                                                                                                        You know what? Sriracha doesn't sound half-bad. With some onions. I'd go for it.
                                                                                                        All of this hot dog talk has been making me hungry. I bought two kinds of sausage for the grill tonight (the hot dog suggestion didn't go over very well for some reason)!

                                                                                                    2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                      Ketchup Council? Surely you mean the Catchup Advisory Board.
                                                                                                      And of course they would tout"the natural mellowing agents of ketchup" ... and really, couldn't the world use a little more mellowing?

                                                                                                      1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                        if truth be told jfood dumped the potatoes out and ate them separately.

                                                                                                        interesting is that jfood would eat a taylor ham, fried egg and cheese on a hard roll with ketchup.

                                                                                                    3. I don't eat ketchup on hot dogs, and havent since I believe I was about 4 years old. My wife likes mayo on her hotdogs, and sometimes ketchup. As long as I dont have to try it I'm ok with it.

                                                                                                      I also love the places that refuse to serve a hotdog with ketchup, or even provide packets of ketchup for use on a hotdog.

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                                                                                                      1. re: swsidejim

                                                                                                        What if they banned a condiment that you liked??


                                                                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                          its their business they can do what they want. its their choice, and my choice if I wanted to patronize them based on their decision. pretty simple.

                                                                                                      2. Do all you anti-ketchup people put sweet relish on your dogs?

                                                                                                        I think sweet relish is VILE and don't understand why dill relish isn't the standard. For me, sweet relish WAY trumps the sweetness of ketchup in terms of a dog. Where is the outrage over sweet relish, I ask you? Nothing worse than relishing a dog and then biting into it and getting a big hit of corn syrup.

                                                                                                        And as to how I like mine, generally mustard and onion, kraut if available, but I have been known to mustard/ketchup a really cheap dog at the fair. Sometimes when they're really cheap it helps to make it more palatable.

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                                                                                                        1. re: rockandroller1

                                                                                                          I am not anti ketchup, just don't do it, but I do use sweet relish with a spicy mustard. It balances it perfectly. If I can't have any relish, then just mustard or mustard & mayo. I also like chili and cheese, but a lot of places put mustard on the bun first then the chili & cheese, and I really don't like that.

                                                                                                              1. re: MattInNJ

                                                                                                                guilty of liking mayo on a hot dog esp. when said hot dog has been grilled with a piece of bacon wrapped around it

                                                                                                                A Los Angeles staple

                                                                                                                1. re: laliz

                                                                                                                  see, I love the idea of a bacon-wrapped hot dog. But the mayo part is just gross to me. bacon and relish would be great, even bacon and onions. but bacon and mayo?
                                                                                                                  i should admit from the outset that i am slightly mayo-phobic. mayo makes sense to me (in moderation) in certain things, and i may even eat a little bit of it (like a spinach dip or a chicken salad), just to be reasonable. but sometimes adding mayo to things just seems, well, wrong. like a total defilement of the food! so maybe i'm not as successful at being open-minded as i wish i were...
                                                                                                                  and perhaps mayo is just one of those things (like hot sauce) that, if you really like it, you like it on pretty much anything. hence, you find people putting it on everything from hot dogs to pizza to shrimp to roast beef.
                                                                                                                  indeed, i can hear my mom's voice now, complaining to my dad how he makes everything she cooks taste the same by applying several shakes of hot pepper dust over his plate almost every night....

                                                                                                                  1. re: vvvindaloo

                                                                                                                    just when I read this, I remembered my grandmother complaining that we (her granddaughters 3) put (the vile dreaded hateful) ketchup on her pot roast and that my grandfather put horseradish on EVERYthing.

                                                                                                                    1. re: vvvindaloo

                                                                                                                      Mayo on pizza? shrimp? No, it is just a sandwich condiment or an ingredient in a tuna/chicken/ham salad. I have never tried it with french fries and I don't believe I ever will.

                                                                                                                      1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                        Whoa. French fries and mayo. Don't knock it till you tried it.

                                                                                                                        I just realized that, despite my liking ketchup on hot dogs, I never liked it with anything else. Definitely not with fries, though.

                                                                                                                        Nowadays, gimme fries with mayo and ketchup, and I'm a happy gal. None of that horrible curry ketchup for me.

                                                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                          Do you mix the mayo with the ketchup? I have actually mixed mayo with BBQ sauce as a dipping item. Pretty good.

                                                                                                                          1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                            Try ranch dressing and bbq sauce.


                                                                                                                              1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                                There's a BBQ restaurant in Huntsville, Al that serves what they call BBQ Ranch dressing. I make it at home with a 1 - 1 ratio.
                                                                                                                                The BBQ sauce at this place is tangy/vinegary. It's reminiscent of french dressing.
                                                                                                                                Anyway, it's excellent.


                                                                                                                                1. re: danhole


                                                                                                                                  Tried the ranch w/BBQ last week and it was pretty darn good. Thanks for the tip!

                                                                                                                              2. re: danhole

                                                                                                                                Nah, generally no mixing necessary. If I'm feeling creative, I might swirl them into one another, but dipping the fry in the mayo first, then the ketuchup, works just fine.

                                                                                                                                1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                  Interesting. Maybe it's because I am not a big mayo fan, but I do fries in mustard & ketchup, or BBQ sauce. Wife is the mayo eater in the family, but that is probably her FR background. Maybe I'll give it a go, just to see what the flavors are. I do admit mixing mayo and mustards (maybe even a bit of ketchup) into some sauces, so it's not totally unlikely, that I'd like it.

                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the tip,


                                                                                                                                  1. re: Bill Hunt

                                                                                                                                    Hot salty fries and the right BBQ sauce = perfection.

                                                                                                                            1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                              Go to Bolivia or Peru and order salchipapas; French fries w/ chunks of deep fried hot dog mixed in. Often comes w/ ketchup and mayo drizzled over w/ aji (yellow chile) on the side. Oh God it is good!

                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                DH and I had a dish like this in Hecelchakan, (Campeche or Yucatan State) Mexico last summer. French fries with hot dogs cut into coins served with salsa, ketchup and cream (and sometimes cheese). We called it "hot dogs con papas," and we saw variations of it all over the Yucatan peninsula as street food at night. I don't know what it was properly called.

                                                                                                                          2. re: laliz

                                                                                                                            Count me in on the bacon wrapped grilled street dogs "con todo": mustard, ketchup, mayo, relish, grilled onions and grilled hot peppers

                                                                                                                            1. re: torty

                                                                                                                              that sounds great!!! i might try that today!

                                                                                                                        2. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                          Mayo is often used on hot dogs and french fries in both Europe and S. America.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                            Mostly mustard with a bit of mayo to cut the tartness.

                                                                                                                            My favorite hot dog was one I had as a child in Chicago. It was a big thick dog, split partially through lengthwise, stuffed with cheddar cheese, wrapped in bacon and I guess broiled. Now that dog got mayo and mustard for sure. I have often tried to recreate this but, alas, have failed!

                                                                                                                            1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                              My husband grew up in Chicago and fondly remembers the Francheezie from his childhood ... (this from the current menu at The Bagel near Old Orchard Mall in Skokie)

                                                                                                                              Francheezie 8.95
                                                                                                                              Jumbo frank stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon
                                                                                                                              and deep-fried. Served with fries.

                                                                                                                              1. re: iowagirl

                                                                                                                                Thanks for putting a name to this beast! Now, how do you deep fry a hot dog stuffed with cheese? Wouldn't the cheese melt? Maybe I should ask on the Home Cooking board.

                                                                                                                                1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                                  You know what's funny is that my FIL still orders this when we visit them and we go out to the Bagel. It looks absolutely delicious, but I have NO idea how they do it - maybe the bacon wrap keeps everything together ...

                                                                                                                                  1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                                    pssssttttt - slit the hot dog, stuff with cheese strips, wrap bacon around to cover the cheese, use many toothpicks to hold together, and grill or pan-fry until the bacon is done. The hot dog will be hot, the cheese melted. And another psssst - I love catsup on this creation. It's a childhood memory, and still tastes good! Too rich & fatty to eat more than once a year, but when you get a craving it's hard to resist!

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Catskillgirl

                                                                                                                                      They have something at a local restaurant here called the wardog. It is a hotdog stuffed with cheddar, wrapped in bacon dipped in beer batter and fried. Then it is put on a toasted roll and topped with chilli, more cheese and onions. I have watched people eat these things but to me, waaay to much going on there is all I'm saying.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: chocchipcookie

                                                                                                                                        So I guess the war is against your arteries or waist line, huh? That seems to be a bit of overkill.

                                                                                                                                      2. re: Catskillgirl

                                                                                                                                        psssttt back at you! So do you use a hard cheese? I've tried with american but it melts too quickly. I should go with a sharp cheddar, I think.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: danhole

                                                                                                                                          I use cheddar, but it can be done with American - you pile a couple of strips on top of each other into a little log, which makes them melt more slowly, and creates a nice gooey effect all over the bacon. Mmm bacon & cheese. Yes, my arteries shriek at the thought, but they taste really, really good. LOL!

                                                                                                                          2. In Australia, at least in Melbourne, tomato sauce (ketchup) is the standard condiment on hot dogs. Hard to find a dog with mustard. Tomato sauce on meat pies as well.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: absurdnerdbird

                                                                                                                              Isn't curry-ketchup the favored condiment in Germany these days?

                                                                                                                            2. I usually like deli mustard on a hot dog
                                                                                                                              But if a hot dog is well done on an outside grill and gets some char and bubbles. Then I use ketchup and chopped raw onions

                                                                                                                              I prefer grilled outside on charcoal to boiled or simmered

                                                                                                                              1. Thanks for all the responses. I was sure it had been discussed before, but I'm new here and I saw the pgm where they wouldn't put ketchup on a Super Dawg in Chicago which got me thinking about this "problem" again.

                                                                                                                                I live in L.A. Home of anything-goes on a hot dog. . . . or a pizza. I just love salad pizza, but I guess that is a different show to paraphrase (sort-of) Alton Brown.

                                                                                                                                1. Pretty much the only time I get to eat a hot dog is when on lay-overs in LA to and from Asia from Colombia. Usually go down to the gas station store next to the hotel and get heater-box corn dogs and hot dogs and then get everything on offer: mustard (glistening and bright yellow), ketchup (with HFCS, please), mayo (synthetic, not home made like I have all the time), pickle relish (sweet and neon!), and lots and lots of sliced jalapenos. Across the street for a pint of Jim Beam or a couple of huge cans of Pabst and I'm good to go. Upstairs to flip channels among Rachel Ray, Judge Judy, (shootings on) local network news, and the (NFL) game if lucky! Eat those dogs with different combos of everything! MMMMMMM! And a balanced meal as well!

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                                                                                                                                    jimmy B does go great with hot dogs. you should have them together sometime, rather than in succession. i think the sweetness of the jimmy B highlights the sweetness of the HFCS in the ketchup adorning the hot dog... or something like that.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: cimui

                                                                                                                                      Of course! Always together!

                                                                                                                                      And getting to see TV in English! But having to get up at 430 AM! Good dose of network TV, corn and hot dogs with everything, and some JB! You all don't know how lucky you are to live in the US!

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                                                                                                                                        A Connecticut Hummel's hot dog, topped with kimchi, while sipping a caiparhina while arbitraging the euro against the yen between London and Hong Kong as I sit here in Florida, is not too shabby....

                                                                                                                                  2. For me, the tragedy of the 21st century is that hot dogs -- really good hot dogs -- are almost extinct. Natural casings require serious shopping, then all too often just don't have the great flavorful meat interior they once had. But when I can find a really great hot dog with great cooked-on-a-well-seasoned-flat-top flavor, I don't want anything messing with perfection. But those are very difficult to find.

                                                                                                                                    If the hot dog is boiled, then ketchup and/or yellow mustard and/or sweet relish is okay, depending on my mood.

                                                                                                                                    Saurkraut demands no ketchup! Yellow mustard optional.

                                                                                                                                    I'm not a fan of chili dogs, but I love baked beans on a hot dog. Don't know of anyplace on the planet that sells them that way, so it's strictly a do it yourself at home kind of project.

                                                                                                                                    The only choice for good German wurst (well, most wurst anyway) is Pommery mustard, and maybe a crunchy garlic-dill spear on the side.

                                                                                                                                    But I'm celebrating! On a whim, I pulled into a Burger Street drive through four days ago. Been driving past it for three years, thinking "ho hum another burger joint." They had 99 cent hot dogs on the menu, so I thought, "Why not?" "Saints be praised!" to borrow a phrase from my Irish born mother. Turns out that Burger Street 99 cent hot dogs are the kind you do NOT desecrate with condiments of any sort. I'm one happy camper with faith restored in the 21st century!

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                      <<The only choice for good German wurst (well, most wurst anyway) is Pommery mustard, and maybe a crunchy garlic-dill spear on the side.>>

                                                                                                                                      I'm actually pretty flexible with most dogs myself, but mustard, now that's a 'serious' topic. German style dogs (like from Karl Ehmer's in the NYC area) and wurst get Bauer's with horseradish- only, and on this there can be no debate! ;)

                                                                                                                                      1. re: TongoRad

                                                                                                                                        There's a Karl Ehmer's store in Hillsdale, N.J. that has a cart outside. This cart has compartments to boil, griddle, or grill franks and other German wursts. They serve a German style pork and beef dog (I get it griddled) on a Martin's potato roll with Bauer's mustard. This was my vote (as well as the rest of the Munchmobile panel's) as the best German style dog that we sampled on a summer long tasting of New Jersey hot dogs.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: hotdoglover

                                                                                                                                          They do sound great, that's for sure. The Ehmer's I go to nowadays is in Greenvale, LI, not too far from my parents- no cart there, unfortunately, but they do have the fixins to do it at home. I have no issue with 'going off the reservation' with toppings for other styles of dog but that one is just great plain with mustard.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: TongoRad

                                                                                                                                          Don't recall ever having Baur's mustard. Looked it up on the web and the jar certainly doesn't ring any bells. So now I'm thinking maybe one of the gourmet supermarkets might have it. On the other hand, do I really want to buy a $5.00 jar of mustard that will probably last another 40 years, based on how often I use mustard on a hot dog.

                                                                                                                                          If I'm watching watch a major league game on the big screen (which happens about twice a century, and then only in the company of certified house guests) then I want yellow mustard. It's a requirement.

                                                                                                                                          but for those other occasions when I torture a dog in boiling water (okay, simmering), then I do enjoy the familiar pop of a whole mustard seed. Pommery's is my first choice, but for whatever reason, it's getting harder and harder to find on gracer's shelves, and I HATE paying shipping on the ceramic crock! (Hey, we all haveour idiosyncrasies.) I also have a jar of Maille "Old Style" whole grain mustard on hand as a reasonable substitute.

                                                                                                                                          Gotta keep an eye out for Baur's. WITH horse radish.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                            My favorite mustard in the world. They make it in small batches in Long Island City, and sell the small jars in that general area (Queens). Gallon jars are what they mostly make, so check out restaurant supply. Not expensive at all, I pay about $4 or 5 per gallon, not per jar. You'll have to add your own horseradish though.
                                                                                                                                            God I hate yellow mustard with a passion.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: coll

                                                                                                                                              Wow- I had no idea it was that local, I figured regional at least. It's always been a fixture in my family's household as long as I can remember, as it is my dad's favorite as well. I can't say we've ever gone through gallons of it, though. That's pretty impressive.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: TongoRad

                                                                                                                                                Well it takes me about a year to go though a gallon, but I don't have the little bottles available out here!

                                                                                                                                        3. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                          Coroline1 you ol' grand dame, If you want doggies w/ snap and baked beans, Come to Maine! Many a church has weekend all-you-can eat bean suppahs w/ red snapper hot dogs on the side. It may be the state dish not lobstah.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                            If they have decent hd buns, I'm there! The thing I'm so thrilled about with the Great 99¢ Hot Dog Discovery (regular price $1.12) besides the great grilled flavor and texture of the dog is the bun. It's got to have half the bread dough of a regular hot dog bun and perfectly wraps itself around the dog in a manner designed to keep mustard or ketchup (if you must) inside the bun while keeping fingers immaculately clean without.

                                                                                                                                            I've GOT to find out where they get their buns! So far, it's like trying to find out from the Pentagon where they hides their secret weapons. But I think I've found a chink in their cloak of silence. Today my housekeeper was with me when I drove through, and it turns out that she and one of the employees are from the same small village deep in the interior of Mexico. Trade secrets are on their way to the shredder! '-)

                                                                                                                                          2. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                            I'm glad to hear the report on the Burger Street hot dogs. We have that chain in Tulsa. Haven't been there in a long time, but always liked their burgers and chicken sandwiches. I'll have to go give a hot dog a try.

                                                                                                                                          3. First, I am a ketchup fan, but when it comes to my "dogs," I'm usually going with sauerkraut, hot mustard, cheddar [not lower-case] cheese and chili. Now, my dogs might be brats, or turkey-dogs, or something similar, but I've never even considered ketchup. Why? Can't say. It just never seemed to be in the flavor profile.


                                                                                                                                            1. i grew up eating mustard, ketchup, relish on dogs. sometimes mayo and ketchup if it was on a sandwich of white bread, split open dogs.

                                                                                                                                              today, i'm into mustard and relish -- and chow chow!

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                Here's an idea, people: Eat your hot dog the way YOU like it. Not the way someone tells you to like it.

                                                                                                                                                I agree with rockandroller1 about dill relish. I don't always put it on my dog, but I do prefer it to sweet relish. But that's just me.

                                                                                                                                              2. checked my ketchup and it is Heinz One Carb. Nutrition facts: serving size 1 tbsp (16g), servings per container about 25, calories 5, fat calories 0, total fat 0, sodium 190mg, total carbs 1g, fiber 0, sugars 0, protein 0.

                                                                                                                                                Ingredients: Tomato concentrate made from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar, salt, onion powder spice, sucralose, natural flavoring.

                                                                                                                                                A bottle of ketchup lasts for a long long time in my house ~~ this one has to be over a year old.

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: laliz

                                                                                                                                                  Oh, this topic makes me laugh, especially the posts from HDL. My daughter married a ketchup/hotdog guy, and my husband & I have been trying to figure out where we went wrong ever since. His predeliction for ketchup on hotdogs did not manifest itself until after they were married, and so far my daughter has not gone over to the red side, but is something that keeps me up at night. How will they raise their children? This culinary quirk is puzzling since he is half German. Ok, he's half Mexican too, but why not salsa verde or chili -- why ketchup?

                                                                                                                                                  As to the ranch dressing thing, it seems to be very popular in western PA. This is something I never realized until my kids went to college near Pittsburgh. They serve it with everything. They even bring it with your pizza delivery so you can dunk your crust in it when you've eaten through the pie part. Also with fries. Probably with wedding cake.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                                                    Half-German is the answer, not the puzzle! See my back-and-forth with linguafood in this thread. But suffice it to say that not only do many (most? I think so) Germans eat their hotdogs with ketchup, but curry-powder ketchup on a sliced red bratwurst is pretty much the official foodstuffs of Berlin.

                                                                                                                                                    I lived two years in Germany, and I still don't want to have ketchup on my food, but the entire land of Wurst screams to give up the anti-ketchup agenda. It's not just kid stuff, apparently. Still, y'all nasty with them hot dogs, brats, whatever. Italian sausage is where it's at. Merguez too. Keep the kiddie crap to yourselfs, or at least don't pretend that it's not crap. How you like them apples? Yes yes, merguez and harissa, y'all.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: tmso

                                                                                                                                                      Geez, his German and Swiss-born Omi and Opa gag when they see him do the ketchup thing. They are strictly from the brat/nurmburger with kraut and mustard school. Now when his Mexican father puts the chorizo on the grill, we all come running, tortillas in hand......

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                                                      My advice: visit your grandchildren early and often. And when you do make sure that you have mustard with you. They must be exposed to it while very young (put it on their hot dogs) or else they will be destined to a childhood of ketchup on hot dogs. And maybe a lifetime if they are among those who don't grow out of it. I've seen families broken up over this. It ain't pretty.

                                                                                                                                                  2. I grew up in Chicago where ketchup on a hot dog is considered a sin. BUT, I can't eat hot dogs without ketchup. I either order my hot dogs with ketchup only, or ketchup, mustard and sport peppers. I like it that way, even if it means the whole city hates me.

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Chew on That

                                                                                                                                                      I support you. It wouldn't be a hotdog to me without a ketchup/mustard combo.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                        does any southerner here recall ketchup/mayo combo on hot dog sandwich, where the hot dogs (2) are split and put on white bread?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                          My mom used to do that sandwich, but the hot dogs were split and then fried. A slice of cheese was sometimes added. She was from Ohio, so I guess it isn't just a southern thing.

                                                                                                                                                    2. I don't much like tomato ketchup. So I also don't much like it on my hot dogs. But I don't know why anybody else would care. It's not like it's contagious. Maybe one way or the other shows some sort of sophistication. Maybe if you like tomato ketchup on your hot dog that makes me better than you. Or vice versa. I thought ketchup on your hot dog was one of those things sort of why manufacturers make both red wagons and green wagons. I have a friend who does like tomato ketchup. I'm not better than him because I don't like tomato ketchup; I'm better than him because he likes the Yankees.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Potomac Bob

                                                                                                                                                        I didn't know it was possible to be sophisticated AND like hot dogs! HOORAY!!! '-)

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Potomac Bob

                                                                                                                                                          that was beautifully put, potomac bob. all except for maybe that last bit -- which i could let slide if you're rooting for the mets ;).

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Potomac Bob

                                                                                                                                                            what is tomato ketchup? is there some other kind? mustard ketchup perhaps? then i'm all YES!

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: TBird

                                                                                                                                                              Lots of other kinds. "Ketchup" origanally simply meant "sauce." Today the "ready made" selection has dwindled down to tomato ketchup, but you can still find mushroom ketchup in some high end food stores. Google or do a Wikepedia search for "ketchup" and you'll find tons of information and recipes. But no "mustard ketchup" that I know of. It's like "east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet!"

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TBird

                                                                                                                                                                Banana ketchup in the Philippines.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                                                                                                                                                                  lol wiki is a very trusted source, no? how much do you believe(trust me, i "altered" a few of what you read): ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                  Ketchup (or catsup), also known as , Tomato Sauce, Red Sauce, Tommy Sauce, is usually made from tomatoes. The ingredients in a typical modern ketchup are tomato concentrate, spirit vinegar, corn syrup or other sugar, salt, spice and herb extracts (including celery), spice and garlic powder[1]. Allspice, cloves, cinnamon, onion, and other vegetables may be included.

                                                                                                                                                                  Ketchup started out as a general term for sauce, typically made of mushrooms or fish brine with herbs and spices. Some popular early main ingredients included blueberry, anchovy, oyster, lobster, walnut, kidney bean, cucumber, cranberry, lemon, celery and grape. Mushroom ketchup is still available in some countries, such as the UK. Banana ketchup is popular in the Philippines.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: TBird

                                                                                                                                                                    I must find this mushroom ketchup!

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: TampaAurora

                                                                                                                                                                      You can get it in supermarkets here in the UK, but I've never had it, for some reason. You need to look for a shop that stocks speciality English products. Or order online:


                                                                                                                                                                      Or you could have a go at making it yourself!


                                                                                                                                                            2. Being from the Greater Toronto Area, where the neo-Fascists that run the place have decreed that the *ONLY* hot food that can be sold by street vendors are hot dogs or fries, there are a plethora of hot dog carts/stands (the rules are a little more relaxed for the big trucks known as "chip wagons", but I digress..). Here is a rundown on the usual variety of condiments available:

                                                                                                                                                              Yellow mustard (of course)
                                                                                                                                                              Hot mustard (occasionally)
                                                                                                                                                              Brown mustard (more rare)
                                                                                                                                                              Green sweet relish (always)
                                                                                                                                                              Yellow corn relish (usually)
                                                                                                                                                              Chipped fresh onion (always)
                                                                                                                                                              Grilled onions (rarely)
                                                                                                                                                              Sauerkraut (usually)
                                                                                                                                                              Ketchup (always)
                                                                                                                                                              Mayo (very rare)
                                                                                                                                                              Hot Sauce (rare)

                                                                                                                                                              You get a choice of a beef frank, or for about $0.50-$1.00 more, a Polish or Italian sausage. All are served on the standard cottony bun, which is grilled slightly unless you say "No".

                                                                                                                                                              Here's my process: I have them grill the bun slightly, but ask for it before they put the dog on it. This lets them grill the dog a few more seconds, which adds more char, which I like. I take the bun, and put a thin level of kraut on first (making it thin is more difficult than it sounds!), and a layer of chopped onion. Then I have them put the dog in, and finish it with one of the mustards (varies according to my mood) on one side, and a dollop of either green or corn relish on the other. People who complain about the sweetness of the relish miss the point; this combo brings together sour (kraut), sharpness (fresh onion), acid (mustard), and sweet (relish). Combine all those with a the snap of the grilled dog, and for $2.50 Cdn, it's very tasty.

                                                                                                                                                              At home, if I put chili on a dog, I'll add chopped fresh onion, and some shredded cheese if I have it handy, but that's it. For plain dogs, it's usually just mustard and relish, but sometimes I will - gasp - put on ketchup. It's just my mood. I rarely have chopped sweet coleslaw around, as I prefer vinegar slaws, but that makes a nice change. So, while I rarely eat ketchup on a dog, I don't have any religion against it.

                                                                                                                                                              Now, if you want to get me going, ask me about ketchup on eggs, which I consider terrible. Once you've tried HP sauce (or brown sauce in the UK) on eggs, you'll never go back to ketchup if you can help it. In the US, where HP is not usually available, I try A-1 Sauce, which approximates the taste, but has a runnier consistency. It still beats ketchup.

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: KevinB

                                                                                                                                                                I've grown to like hot pepper rings on my hot dogs. I like HP sauce but I still put ketchup on my scrambled eggs . . . corned beef hash etc. When I do fries at home I like 1/2 HP and 1/2 ketchup. Growing up in Montreal there were many places that did the hot dogs in a grill press . . . and the buns used to be like white bread on the outside . . . they put butter on them then grilled them in the press till golden brown and crispy . . .mustard, relish, onion, shredded lettuce and all of 75 cents.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: KevinB

                                                                                                                                                                  A traditional English breakfast just isn't the same without brown sauce. Ditto a bacon or sausage sandwich.

                                                                                                                                                                2. American or German dog, I'm quite happy to put good mustard or catsup on either. The condiment is there to provide a bit of spice and moisture, and it doesn't really matter whether it's tomato-based or not. I've had both, in the U.S. and Germany, and enjoyed them. I don't think we need a rule for this.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. mustard a must saurkraut sometimes

                                                                                                                                                                    anything else - blech

                                                                                                                                                                    1. No ketchup on hot dogs but certainly on scrambled eggs. I recently started putting kimchee and spicy mustard for a really interesting taste combination.

                                                                                                                                                                      In another hot dog related incident, I watched a teenage girl trying to figure out how to open a New England hot dog roll a few weeks ago. Apparently she had never seen this variation and was quite confused and had to ask "How does this work" ???? Priceless !

                                                                                                                                                                      1. When I was a kid, the standard rule in our family was hot dogs=ketchup, hamburgers=mustard. In fact, hot dogs were the ONLY use for ketchup in the house, except as a constituent of mom's meatloaf.

                                                                                                                                                                        Now that I'm elderly, the (very) occasional hot dog gets only mustard and mayo. Mrs. O, however, requires ketchup not only on hot dogs, but on every sort of fried potato, from French fries to hash browns.

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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Will Owen

                                                                                                                                                                          Will, I do believe that you're the only person I've ever encountered who puts mayo on a hot dog!

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                                                            Then you must have a very limited circle of acquaintances. Mayo is widely used, just not in the epicenter of the universe, The US of A!

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                              Actually, I've lived on five continents, eaten dozens of kinds of sausages, know a ton of people, and still have never seen this.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                                                                WOW! Different places I guess. I never got the mayo doggie disease 'till Scandinavia . How odd.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've been in Scandinavia, but don't believe I ever had a dog there. I did happen upon a spot somewhere in Europe where people put mayo on their fries. Can't remember where it was (Belgium?), but the heavy fat quotient seemed odd.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                                                                    Mayo w/fries is eaten in many different European countries -- Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, France, Spain (though that's more of an aioli sauce, I guess). Mayo on fries rocks!

                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd also dare say that this would be the wrong time to consider a heavy fat quotient. You're eating *fries.*

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                      A USDA Prime Delmonico/strip steak with Bearnaise sauce is a classic. The fat content makes fries with mayo look like diet food. The difference is that in today's world, fast food, cook-free lifestyles, and total disregard of what comprises a healthy diet means that many people think of French fries as a daily vegetable instead of an occasional treat. No one thinks of a Delmonico steak that way !

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                        mmMMMMMMMmmmm -- steak with béarnaise.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Caroline, did ya have to put that delicious image in my head???? Where am I going to get that right now? I'd much rather have that than fries with mayo today, I gotta say.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, and on my fries, too! Or tartar sauce, or horseradish in sour cream, or even (at the sadly now-defunct Henry Moffett's Chicken pie establishment) Green Goddess dressing.

                                                                                                                                                                              Our standard home dog is an otherwise boring supermarket weenie, partially split and stuffed with a slim slice of cheddar, then nuked and placed on a toasted bun. Two of those, with mustard and mayo, will make me as happy as a similar number with ketchup and sweet relish will do for Mrs. O.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                                                                                                                picawicca, have you been to the south? we love mayo! (esp. me, on fries!!!)

                                                                                                                                                                                re the dog, here's how (when i was growing up, and occasionally these days): white bread smeared with mayo and ketchup, and two dogs split lengthwise and laid out to make a regular sandwich. yep, that's it. you just might like it.

                                                                                                                                                                            3. Blimey! Who knew that hot dogs could be so controversial?

                                                                                                                                                                              I am going to throw a cat among the pigeons here. I like brown sauce on my hot dogs. Like this, although that's not my preferred brand:


                                                                                                                                                                              As I live in the UK, noone cares, thank God. If brown sauce isn't available, I like relish, mustard and fried onions. Ketchup is not a favourite condiment, but I will have a smidgeon if nothing else is available. When I was in Austria, I liked a certain type of sweet mustard on my bratwurst.

                                                                                                                                                                              I am a hot dog heretic. :-(

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: greedygirl

                                                                                                                                                                                You ARE a hot dog heretic! Thank goodness I'm not the only one!

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: greedygirl

                                                                                                                                                                                  Can you find brown sauce in the U.S.? I'd never heard of it, so a friend of mine from the UK mailed me a bottle to try. Good stuff... kind of reminds me of A-1 sauce.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yup. It 's called "A1 Steak Sauce" in this country. Even though it now has "steak" in its name, it's not used for steaks exclusively My English grandfather taught me to put it on my fried eggs for breakfast. It's the ONLY time I like the egg edges crispy. The travesties we commit for the sake of memory!

                                                                                                                                                                                      A1 has a fun commercial runing in this country now... Very posh restaurant. Two male single diners sitting at seperate tables near each other. The waiter serves the diner at the left table a hamburger. The diner dresses it with A1 Sauce, and the diner on the right looks interested... "A1 sauce on a hamburger! How interesting. May I borrow that? The diner on the left turns away to reach the A1 Sauce, saying, "Certainly." By the time the diner on the left turns back to pass the A1 Sauce, the diner on the right is having a bite of his hamburger! The look on the robbed diner's face is priceless! Oh, waIt... "Priceless?" Ooops! Sorry. That's a whole other commercial! '-)

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                        The bottle looks the same, but I tasted them side by side and compared ingredients..... it just wasn't "quite" the same.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Damn. Now I wish i had saved that bottle. At the time we did quite the comparison.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, it HAS suffered that American penchant for fixing things that aren't broken. In the last twenty years, they have removed the anchovies altogether, replaced sugar with corn syrups, and shattered it into a whole bunch of fractured "personalities." Kind of like Joan Rivers not really looking like Joan Rivers anymore, you know? But if you put it on the foods you've always ate it on, close your eyes real tight and remember hard, it sort of approximates the original.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm pretty sure it originated in England. Ha! Google IS my friend! Check this out:
                                                                                                                                                                                          ohhhh my god! "Kobe sesame teriyaki?" "Smokey mesquite?" I thought Thick and Hearty and Bold and Spicy were abominations... Sheesh. I could have lived my whole life happily without knowing this. <sigh>

                                                                                                                                                                                          Try the original. Or I wonder what Worcestershire would be like if I thickened it up with a slurry and a touch of marmalade? At least it still has anchovies. Or is my bottle just very old?

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                            Ugh, I have to agree with you. I love regular plain ol' A-1 sauce. Hate every variation they've made on it that I've tried. The worst so far was the black peppercorn A-1.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Guess there was a reason that was on sale that day .....

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Like most kids I liked ketchup (or catsup) on everything. I'd make a meal comprised of hot sausage, corn kernels and (what else) ketchup, as a sauce. But like many others around age 16 I realized that tangy mustard on that rich, fatty dog cut through all that succulence so well.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. It's funny, I guess I've always been "bass ackwwards". I always hated ketchup on everything, Im ean everything (I was a fussy kid.). Now I just finished a ham and egg breakfast w/ ketchup and defend the right of dog hounds to eat it between their buns (sic). But I still prefer mustard.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I tried kim che on a doggie earlier this week and discovered I am a more conservative dog than I thought. Gimme a kraut or chile dog w/ mustard or a NJ Italian dog (sometimes w/ a glop of ketchup). As a young kid I was just a plain mustard dude.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Can we retire this topic? Maybe open it up as KoH2? It's just getting too unwieldy -- great topic & wonderful/funny responses, but enough already!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                                                                                          Nobody posted on this thread for 4 days until you revived it...

                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't mid ketchup on a bad hot dog but on a really good frank with natural casing? Mustard only.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. You can put ketchup on anything especially hot dogs! I put it in my coffee.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. cause ketchup's nasty lol. never liked it, and never will.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I just think that when you're having a nice hot dog from a stand (the sausage kind, not an actual hot dog), one that's straight of the grill on a bun. It's already heavenly, no need to ruin it with this sweet-ish, soury, stuff they claim to be made from tomatoes. Besides the horrible taste, it has too strong of a taste, it covers up the goodness of the sausage. And yeesh, the smell =.=

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. actually, i hate most condiments like mustard and relish too...my friends should learn these things do not go on every damn thing =.=

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. I noticed a survey in the Alg I text book in my high school, it showed an actual survey about favorite hot dog toppings in the US. The far and away favorite was ketchup, I think 33%.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I'll find it to cite when school starts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jfood

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought this might get your attention. It is a fairly recent edition, I copied down the info last May, but it is in school. Remember, I am no great ketchup lover. Maybe it was Garrison Keylor's Ketchup Council.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                    A currywurst museum just opened in Berlin. This is a popular way of serving sausages in Germany - with ketchup spiked with curry powder.


                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. I can go either way for a while spicy brown mustard was my thing with horseradish and relish. then Tabasco and ketchup then plain then Chicago then chili and cheese.... It is such a perfect food I believe it bends to the will and desire of the person eating it and the mood they are in P.S. Thai peanut sauce is also good with kimchi

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I guess Dirty Harry was a Hot Dog Fan. Can't remember which D.H.movie, but he gripes at one of his fellow Detectives for eating a dog with Ketchup on it. "Nobody, but nobody puts ketchup on a hot dog Frank" A little later in the movie he's in the middle of eating a Footlong Dog when he stops a carload of bankrobbers with his .44, and says to the wounded crook laying on the sidewalk "Did I shoot 6 or only 5? Do ya feel lucky punk? Well do ya? The crook sez "I gots ta know" Harry points his 44 Mag at the guy any pulls the trigger "Click" the gun was empty. Harry just grins at him flinchin cause by now he's holding the crooks pump shotgun. Gotta be one of the greatest Movie Cop lines of all time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: FishDog

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Any dog with ketchup should be put down.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: FISHINC

                                                                                                                                                                                                          i find it funny when people feel there is only one "correct" way to eat something.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                                            That brings us back to the whole, "don't yuck my yum"

                                                                                                                                                                                                            and yes.... sometimes I will have ketchup. sometimes I won't. That's how i keep my air of mystery going.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                                                                                                                              >>>>That's how i keep my air of mystery going.<<<<

                                                                                                                                                                                                              yes indeedy, bro!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I like ketchup and I like hot dogs. I put ketchup on hot dogs. I don't care whether other people like it, they aren't eating my hot dog. On the other hand, I don't particularly like ketchup on a brat, so its just a matter of what I like, not what somebody else tells me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          i would, however, be willing to try some special magical dog that they refuse to allow to be sullied with ketchup. If it was good, I'd happilty eat it; if it wasn't I would know better than to go back to that place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. growing up in the chicago area i know there are alot of places that will not serve ketchup on hot dogs. i wish i still lived there, its impossible to find the vienna beef hotdogs in the casing anywhere. they sell vienna beef dogs here in missoiri but they are the skinless ones. not even the same if they dont have that snap when you bite into them. some of the restaurants here know nothing about regional food, i ordered a chicago dog at one place and they gave me a chili dog, i said i ordered a chicago dog and the guy said a chili dog is a chicago dog. even worse i ordered a gyro at an a+w and they brought me a taco wrapped in pita bread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ericjames1967

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Eric- whether you're looking for a natural casing dog to cook at home or enjoy at a restaurant I bet you could get some tips by posting for assistance on your local board (you could probably even get yourself a good gyro). I can't say for sure what the situation is in Missouri, but when I want a quality dog the first place I'd look is in the local German butcher or pork store. It'll be of a different style than the Vienna Beef, but will likely have that natural casing snap, and be a whole world better than average supermarket dogs. Welcome to Chowhound and I hope you can find what you're looking for.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I pretty much never met a dog I didn't like, including the ketchup and mustard ones. Give me variety and spare me the prescriptive hot-dog police.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              On the other hand, much of the supposed venom about ketchup on hot dogs is certainly just a bit tongue-in-cheek, like people boosting for their favorite sports team. They can't resist razzing people who don't share their tribal affiliation, but it's not like they expect to convert anyone, either. They know there are fans out there with different allegiances.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Bada Bing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                exactly. eating ketchup on hot dogs instead of mustard is like rooting for the red sox instead of the yankees. I get that people ketchup and redsock for the same reasons i mustard and yankee. And i know I will never convince them, no matter how misguided their choices may be.


                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. But of course. Who cares what other people think. I eat DUKE'S MAYO on them as well

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Ketchup is fine with me...or is it catsup?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: escondido123

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It depends on which side of "The Pond" you are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Ketchup on a hot dog is nauseating and low life. If my children got into a relationship with someone who put ketchup on her/his hot dog, I would do anything to sabotage the relationship. Some things in life are just unacceptable and unforgivable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Big Fat Moe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ha! Hate your sentiment but love the chutzpah!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Ketchup on a hot dog doesn't taste bad it just tastes of sugar; which is why kids love it so much. Mustard on the other hand adds contrast while allowing full appreciation of the hot dog flavor.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Chinon00

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A piece of manure on a bed of roses is also contrast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: nooyawka

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That might be interesting visually but it wouldn't taste very good.;]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: nooyawka

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The roses would definitely appreciate the application of manure, but your neighbors might not agree.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had a conversation last evening over dinner and we both wondered why everything in the US is so sweet. Ketchup is composed predominately of tomato paste and vinegar, so why should it be sweet?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Good Heinz ketchup isn't terribly sweet. it uses the best white vinegar.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also, the sweetness of the ketchup contrasts with the awesome nostril-raking bite of a good dijon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Chinon00

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Always! like a bit of bite with the sweet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hate relish though.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also a bit of onion, mostly for texture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Chowrin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The perfect hot dog has ketchup & mustard, hold the relish (blech). Salty, sweet, "spicy" -- quotation marks b/c we're talking French's.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. There are two correct answers to this dilemma-

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Yes, please."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "No, thank you."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not "Holy crap, how the hell can you do that? Oh my God!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. After reading through this whole thread, I have never wanted a hotdog so bad in my life.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: onceadaylily

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              but what would you put *on* it? you'll break my heart if you say ketchup! ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Steel yourself, good woman. I like it *all*. Catsup and mustard. Chili and mustard. Coney sauce and mustard. Tomatoes, pickles, mustard, celery salt and relish. Giardiniera. Barbecue sauce. The spicy mayo was interesting. It depends on the type of dog, the type of bun, and the type of place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My mother used to cook hotdogs stove-top in *butter*. That was the gateway to my 'nothing's wrong' approach to hotdogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: onceadaylily

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  fair 'nuf...at least mustard is among the options :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I love hot dogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bun toasted or grilled on both sides.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Any brand is fine but Hebrew National is preferred.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When it comes to the toppings, only two will do:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ketchup & Onions (yes, even when I'm in Chicago!)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. It's a ridiculous pretension to think that mustard is for grown-ups and ketchup is for kids, which is this nonsensical belief that some cling to. I simply never liked mustard, except with my corned beef or pastrami on rye.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                99 times out of 100, it's ketchup and onions on my hot dogs. Mustard only occasionally as a switch-up. And never kraut.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: nooyawka

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But is there a problem having "immature" tastes though? I listen to Howard Stern prank phone calls and think that it's a blast. And I'm not ashamed of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Chinon00

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The prank call on Gov. Walker was better. ;-)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My tastes in wine make folks think I'm immature (I go out of my way to find the Best In The World Concord wine. It truly is awesome -- foxy and sweet).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My (similar, nearly identical) tastes in beer make men blaunch. I like a good sweet, bready, complex beer -- doppelbock, Old Rasputin, you know the like.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Same taste, in one medium seen as "manly" (I split the beer! too much of a lightweight to finish one), and in the other seen as immature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I find it funny, and luxoriate in the satisfaction that my tastes aren't dictated by anyone except my own childlike satisfaction!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Not sure why people get all dogmatic about this. There are regional preferences. There are individual preferences. Somebody, somewhere, is putting stuff on hot dogs and hamburgers that would get people arrested where you live. So what? It's not about faith and morals. It's about whatever floats yer boat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I am a firm believer in eating what you like. I eat hotdogs with mustard, ketchup (Heinz only thank you) both, or chili and onions. Heck when I was a kid, I put ketchup on sirloin steak, my dad almost cried.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I rarely eat hot dogs..but if I do it's always the same topping- ketchup and onion. If there is no ketchup available..I would skip the hot dog. Not sure why anyone would flip over that. Different people have different tastes. My SO likes cheese on hot dogs. That seems gross to me..but I don't flip over it..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Remember as a young kid i always ate ball park,shickhaus, oscar meyer ,or first prize brand hot dogs with ketchup....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. The National Hot Dog and Sausage Council clearly states: "Don't...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Use ketchup on your hot dog after the age of 18.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Mustard, relish, onions, cheese and chili are acceptable."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Those are the rules! I don't make em, I don't break em.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: THE Hotdogman

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought you were joking with that website but I see not. Wierd that LA is the #1 consumer of hot dogs and sausages although I know results are by volume, not per capita. I grew up mostly in LA and aside from Der Weinerschnitzel (chili dogs, onion, no ketchup), don't really recall much hot-dog lovin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. After scanning this thread quickly, I was overcome. Right now I am frying up some diced potatoes, sliced jalapenos, and two all-beef hot dogs leftover from my son's post-baseball eating earlier in the week. Plan to consume drizzled with mexican crema. I'm consistently anti-ketchup on everything and admit to ridiculing my family members but I will henceforth try to be more open minded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. I know this sounds goofy but the first I remember it was
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              when I was 2 1/2 in Highland Park in Saint Paul. My friends
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              would come over for lunch. We all ate ketchup
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              on our hotdogs. Later when we became older we added
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mustard, sauerkraut to our hot dogs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. up for sale - word has it Oscar Meyer is in negotiations

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: hill food

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My middle name is Brooks. I Don't want to reveal
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  too much about myself. I am not connected to the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Brooks Catsup empire. I always spelled Ketchup
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  as Ketchup. Maybe I should buy this giant
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Brooks Catsup bottle and put it in our front yard.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What would people say?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. I do like ketchup on hot dogs, sometimes. Mustard , relish , pickles , onions , curry ketchup , mayo , celery salt , tomato , chili , and cheese. Those are my usual condiments . Just depends on how I feel at the time of what's going to top my dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Being of Hungarian descent, I never tasted or saw ketchup until I came to the US. Since tomato is a relative newcomer, to us, Europeans, it is junk food while mustard and horseradish is classic. I also cringe and see it as sacrilege when my hubby and child put anything else but the old world condiments on sausages.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Hot Dogma! Love me a piece of a cheap store-bought, oven-ready baguette, hot, right out of the oven, with a pan-fried, all-natural fat brat, ketchup, mustard, mayo (oh no she didn't!), and a heaping spoon of good sauerkraut (you know, so it's a balanced meal).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Face it, ain't nobody gonna tell anybody how to eat their dog.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. For me it's a big No for ketchup on Hot Dogs. I don't like the combo.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I like ketchup and mayo on my hotdog. If I'm paying you for the freaking hotdog, my peculiar tastes are none of your business. Your job is to make me happy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Like the bumper sticker says: Horn broken. Watch for finger.