546681 Fri Aug 08 02:14:20 -0700 2008 25 1 San Francisco Bay Area 0 3940124 O.K., I dropped by Liverpool Lil's for a burger after a hiatus of living in Europe for the last year. I didn't expect to pay $13 for a burger with fries. i understand that is the standard price for a good burger in San Francisco. I think I'll get back to Europe and hoard my euros. Fri Aug 08 02:14:21 -0700 2008 47091 gourmetwannabe 1 3940205 The burger and fries at O Izakaya in Japantown is also $13 -- but considering the quality and size, a bargain in my book! Fri Aug 08 04:57:14 -0700 2008 3940124 16933 Carrie 218 1 3940446 Sounds excessive to me. In my neighborhood, Rogue Public House will give you a half-pound American Kobe Beef burger with fries for a buck less. http://www.rogueales.com/Menus/SFO.pdf Fri Aug 08 07:12:41 -0700 2008 3940124 131118 Xiao Yang 2 3941372 The one time I had the American Kobe Beef burger at Rogue brewing it was on the verge of inedible. The patty was so mushy (ordered medium rare) that it just fell apart. The fries were undercooked and nothing special to speak of. Maybe it was a bad day... Fri Aug 08 11:57:34 -0700 2008 3940446 91425 virtualguthrie 3 3941547 Extreme tenderness is, of course, a hallmark of Wagyu beef, and it's probably better appreciated as a steak. I actually usually go for the standard beef burger, which is about $8 with fries. I have no problem with Rogue's fries. Fri Aug 08 12:53:32 -0700 2008 3941372 131118 Xiao Yang 2 3944230 I hated the burger at Rogue. The beef tasted like cardboard and the bun was stale. The fries were ok for a pub, but not a gastropub, which this item seems to be aiming for. The beers are great, but the food aims high and hits between middle and low. Sat Aug 09 22:05:02 -0700 2008 3940446 145803 oster 3 3944621 I wouldn't say that Rogue Alehouse positions itself as a gastropub; the standard (non-Kobe) burger with fries is $7.75. If that's gastropub pricing, what is Liverpool Lil's $13 for a burger and fries? Sun Aug 10 08:03:36 -0700 2008 3944230 131118 Xiao Yang 1 3940633 I paid 4 euros for a glass of Coke in Amsterdam. So don't complain. You can easily spend a lot more for a burger in SF. Or you can, as the ad says, get a six dollar burger for $4. Fri Aug 08 08:20:16 -0700 2008 3940124 12082 PeterL 1 3940682 Welcome home. Martini House St Helena. Highly recommended. Grilled Snake River Kobe Beef Burger Prepared Medium Gruyère Cheese, Wine Stewed Onions and Onion Rings 17. Cafe Rouge 4th st, Berkeley. Lots of thin cut fries. ½ lb Rouge hamburger and French fries 11.00 with cheddar .75 with grilled onions .25 with avocado 1.50 with bacon 1.25 with mushroom .75 Fri Aug 08 08:37:21 -0700 2008 3940124 105235 wolfe 1 3941000 atmosphere, location and service all factor in. if you want a good cheap burger, go eat at a diner or a carl's jr. Fri Aug 08 10:10:37 -0700 2008 3940124 13235 lotta_cox 2 3941512 I don't think Liverpool Lil's wins any prizes for atmosphere or location. Maybe they are cashing in on the ghost of Joe DiMaggio. Fri Aug 08 12:42:23 -0700 2008 3941000 131118 Xiao Yang 3 3942168 Oh I disagree. It's a good throwback to that stained glass Tiffany lamp 70's-80's period, and it's across the street from the Presidio in a secluded area near some bust Marina shopping districts.. The food is always a let down though. Fri Aug 08 16:51:58 -0700 2008 3941512 145096 sugartoof 4 3942508 You are talking about the "Fern Bar" era that defined the Marina. Not a great atmosphere for the 21st Century, IMHO. Fri Aug 08 20:06:38 -0700 2008 3942168 131118 Xiao Yang 5 3942658 I love the fern bar era. I started to use that phrase and then figured it would confuse some people because Liverpool Lil's isn't covered in ferns. It's time for fern bars to make a comeback. Fri Aug 08 21:50:53 -0700 2008 3942508 145096 sugartoof 6 3943197 With frozen yogurt making a comeback, can fern bars be far behind? They can update them and call them green bars - the plants contributing to the betterment of our planet. Then they could recycle all that wood and plastic Tiffany lamps from the 70's fern bars ... they must be in thrift shops somewhere. BTW, if you want a true fern bar, there is the Ground Round in Pinole ... right down to the people who orginally frequented fern bars. I guess a $13 burger doesn't surprise me anymore since most in a restaurant are running $10 some like Roast Haus around $25. What surprises me is a joint like Liverpool Lil's would charge that much. Sat Aug 09 09:49:10 -0700 2008 3942658 10264 rworange 7 3944186 If you are talking about Epic Roasthouse, that's a 3/4 lb. burger. It's $20 for a 1/2 pounder at lunch, and almost worth it to sit at the high table upstairs. Sat Aug 09 21:14:29 -0700 2008 3943197 131118 Xiao Yang 8 3944219 At dinner it is about $25 Sat Aug 09 21:48:15 -0700 2008 3944186 10264 rworange 1 3944241 Yeah, burgers were the big trend here for a little while, and most places still take pride in theirs. But now we're really into pizza. If the restaurant doesn't offer pizza on the menu, it's probably passe, just so you're not out of the loop. The same slightly ripped off feeling will apply to the pizzas as well since you'll always remember that great slice you had somewhere else for half the cost. But at least they're still cheaper than many other items on the menu. Sat Aug 09 22:20:01 -0700 2008 3940124 145803 oster 1 3945044 This may not be rocket science, but we figured that Boca Steak house in Ignatio specializes in Argentine beef. They have to trim the steaks daily. Scraps go into hamburger. Hamburger about 1/2 lb to 3/4 lb, w/ duck fat fries (can they still be served, after the fat police get to work?). For $ 10 a really good burger. Anything below that price may be inferior. Sun Aug 10 11:49:10 -0700 2008 3940124 12274 OldTimer 2 3945162 link Sun Aug 10 12:59:26 -0700 2008 3945044 105235 wolfe 1 3947443 You think thats bad...try going for brunch and paying $9.95 for "two eggs, any style" Mon Aug 11 11:39:01 -0700 2008 3940124 212715 jefeG 1 3951038 Most expensive burger I've seen is Eccolo, which charges $20 for a burger (includes fries) at dinner. At lunch it's a more competitive $12.50, plus if you want them $6.50 for a huge shareable order of fries. My favorite burger is Zuni's ($13.50, huge order of fries $6) with Cafe Rouge's a close second ($11 with fries). Tue Aug 12 13:51:51 -0700 2008 3940124 11369 Robert Lauriston 2 3951472 No mention of NOPA's burger? This is by far the best burger I've had in SF (other than my own homemade ones). They house grind Marin Sun beef. You can get it with cheddar, blue or gruyere. I went thru a big blue phase, but lately I've just been digging on the cheddar. And of course you gotta get the housemade bacon. And it comes with fries which are amongst the best in the city too. Ordered medium-rare and they nail it nearly every time. It's ~$16 after adding bacon and cheese. Tue Aug 12 16:22:18 -0700 2008 3951038 10887 brian j 1 3953895 Had an awesome $13 burger at the new Flytrap Restaurant with Hoss Zare at the helm. It was a ground lamb burger and came with french fries. Wed Aug 13 11:46:34 -0700 2008 3940124 29396 grubber4 2 3953940 Do they still have the Oysters Rockefeller? The teaser menu on eaterSF looks like it's missing some classics like calve's liver with onions, or coq au vin, though the drunken half chicken with taragon mushroom cream sauce sounds an awful lot like a French-phobic coq au vin. Wed Aug 13 11:55:25 -0700 2008 3953895 17221 SteveG 3 3954032 Here's the menu on the website, http://zareflytrap.com/menus_1.html No Oysters Rockefeller, Celery Victor, or White Salad. . . since Zare' kept the Fly Trap part of the name, I thought he might preserve some of the classic dishes but I guess not. Wed Aug 13 12:15:49 -0700 2008 3953940 10039 Melanie Wong