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mikek Aug 5, 2008 04:31 PM

I have a date tomorrow night at a new restaurant in Miami that I have heard amazing things about. While I am familiar with the Barolos/Brunellos/etc, I have not had much experience navigating the other regions on Italian wine-lists. I would like to spend roughly $40 on the bottle and heavier reds in Miami during the summer would not be ideal anyways, so I am looking at the other varietals. Either red or white would be fine, though red is first choice. Thank you for any help you may offer.


Here is their dinner menu to help

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    zin1953 Aug 5, 2008 04:53 PM

    Doesn't it depend upon what you and your date order for dinner?

    The Giacosa Roero Arneis ($45) is a favorite Italian whie of mine, while you might want to try the Dolcetto d'Alba ($41) on the red side of things. But I think it REALLY depends upon what you order . . .

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    1. re: zin1953
      mikek Aug 5, 2008 05:08 PM

      Naturally it depends on what we order, but if I can compile some ideas and do my homework on them before going I can pair at that point.

      1. re: zin1953
        maria lorraine Aug 6, 2008 12:20 PM

        2nd the Arneis. What a beautiful grape, and Giacosa is a great producer.

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        Brad Ballinger Aug 5, 2008 07:09 PM

        If it were me...

        Top three whites (in order of preference): Giacosa Roero Arneis, Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino, Feudi di San Gregorio Falanghina.

        In your target price range, there's only one red I'd consider, the Manzoni Dolcetto d'Alba.

        1. WineUnleashed Aug 5, 2008 07:11 PM

          I would hands down reach for the Falanghina... the most food friendly and enjoyable. I also would reach for the Dolcetto given your price range.


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          1. re: WineUnleashed
            maria lorraine Aug 6, 2008 12:19 PM

            Of all the whites in the OP's price range, you find the Falanghina the most food friendly and enjoyable? Have you had the others?

          2. Frodnesor Aug 5, 2008 10:02 PM

            Mike -
            I've had the Giacosa Arneis elsewhere and it's very nice.
            I had a great Manzoni Barbera (Sorito Mosconi) '99 at F. Lyon which was around $50, but it's not on that list (I can't tell you whether the list is outdated and they have it, or the list is current and they've run out). I'll bet the Manzoni Dolcetto is nice and not too heavy for Miami summer.
            Not that you asked about the food, but I thought the antipasti were a little bland, but loved the risi e bisi. Enjoy!

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              Chicago Mike Aug 6, 2008 03:34 AM

              For a frizzy, the Forteto Moscato d'Asti is a good "date" wine... by glass or bottle.

              As for whites I would have no problem ordering the Pieropan Soave Classico 2006 or the Soave Calvarino 2005, both in your budget.

              All the above are in your budget range... In addition to being a great apertif and matching alot of apps, the Moscato has the added advantage of being a very dessert-friendly wine also... pair it with a chocolate or berry dessert, it's delicious, palate refreshing, etc. etc.

              As for a red, depending on what you're ordering you may not need one, or perhaps just a red by the glass or a 250ml would suffice.....

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                whiner Aug 6, 2008 07:22 AM

                It really depends upon what you order, but the white that catches my eye is the Giacosa Arneis, thogh the Pieropan and Bastianich are also nice.

                Red, the Rocche dei Manzoni Dolcetto is very nice, but if you can swing it, the 2000 Rocche dei Manzoni 'Bricco Manzoni' is *outstanding* -- that is the wine I would order off this list, in all likelihood, again, depending upon what I was eating.

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                  BN1 Aug 6, 2008 05:07 PM

                  I agree completely with "whiner" about the 'Bricco Manzoni' Langhe Rosso (80%Nebbiolo, 20%Barbera). The 2000 version is particularly highly rated so this seems like a very good price. I really like Dolcetto, but Langhe Rossos from the Monforte d’Alba area are some of the tastiest wines in the Piemonte, IMO.

                  1. re: BN1
                    whiner Aug 6, 2008 06:32 PM

                    Thans, BN1,

                    Let me be clear, I have personally consumed 4 bottles *of the 2000* of this wine in the past 7 months. It is in *perfect* drinking condition and a real insight into what the region and those grapes can produce. It is my favorite "moderately" priced Langhe Rosso from 2000, besting well known wines like La Spinetta's "Pin" and Clerico's "Arte"... and its retail is about $35, so $55 off a wine list is an excellent price, imo.

                    (FYI: The Giacosa Arneis is also an incredibly good deal... it does seem as though this is a very well priced listu and down it)

                2. ChefJune Aug 6, 2008 08:52 AM

                  I see a couple of favorites among the whites... the Bastianich Tokai Friulano and the Bucco Verdecchio dei Castelli de Jesi -- which is a big, rich white.

                  second the Dolcetto for an affordable choice among the reds.

                  1. Bill Hunt Aug 6, 2008 07:56 PM


                    The question is, what are you going to order, food wise? That should be the starting point. OK, there are times that I find a great wine, that I am dying to try, so I order my food, based on that, but it is usually the other way around.

                    Off their dinner menu, what suits your tastes?


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                      mikek Aug 7, 2008 11:08 AM

                      Thank you for the help everyone. I would up going with the Arneis. It was delicious, and a great match with the cheese plate and pasta dishes we ordered. Truly a delicious wine. Thank you again for the help.

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