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pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 06:41 AM

My parents are celebrating their 30th wedding anniversary this year. I'd like to treat them to a bottle of wine from 1978, but I have no idea how to go about looking for one that's a) not past its prime and b) no more than $100. It may not exist, but I want to try!

They like reds better than whites, although they love champagne and other sparkling whites, with the exception of Prosecco.

Any direct suggestions or resources would be appreciated!

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    hsk RE: pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 07:21 AM

    There are wine vintage charts on the internet. Here is one from Robert Parker
    http://www.wine-pages.com/resources/v... the ones in the 1978 column with R behind the rating will be good. 1978 was not a vintage year for champagne and I can't imagine anyone would have laid down any other sparkling wine for 30 years. However, I doubt you'll get any of them for under $100. Also, unless you know your parents like the taste of very old wines you might want to save your money. The only very old wine under $100 I've ever liked are ports, so that would be my recommendation. 1978 was not a classic year but some quintas declared vintages. The ones that are available tend to have lower ratings and can be had for under $100 but are still quite good, you can find them by doing a search for "1978 vintage port".

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      bowmore36 RE: hsk Aug 13, 2008 09:28 PM

      you will also have some good luck with madeira

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      whiner RE: pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 08:08 AM

      That is a TALL order given your under $100 price range. Most wine just doesn't age well for 30 years, and those that do, at the 30 year mark, generally are far more than $100... at least those that would have from 1978.

      That said, I have had some California Cabernets from '78 (Mayacamas, Montelena, Heitz Martha's) that may not be outrageously priced.

      1. njfoodies RE: pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 10:35 AM

        1978 will indeed be a hard year to find anything for under $100, but the Cali cabs that were suggested are great choices. The other I would suggest that whiner didn't list is the Phelps Insignia, but you won't find it for anything near there.

        If you want tosm past their prime Bordeaux, that might be a possibility. I picked my wife up a '78 Haut Brion for our anniversary, and we need to pop it. I know it is getting worse by the day, but who knows, we may be presently surprised. Also have a Château Pichon Longueville Comtesse de Lalande from '78 as well. Those might both be good anniversay wines for us this year...we'll see! -mJ

        1. Frodnesor RE: pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 11:04 AM

          If you are someplace where you can buy from an online retailer, it is fairly easy to search most of them to look for wines from a particular year (I just plugged "1978" into the search box on a few, and they generally seemed to know what I meant).

          From a quick search of my usual online suspects, it does seem you'll be able to find some California Cab in about the right price range (whether or not they've got any life left in them is another story). Another possibility is Spanish Rioja - Lopez de Heredia is an old-school producer who often holds bottles for 10+ years before releasing. There's some 1978s on the market that are only a few hairs over $100. From what I saw in a very quick peek, K&L Wine Merchants seems to have the broadest selection. They also had several vintage-dated armagnacs from 1978.
          http://www.klwines.com/content.asp?Nt...

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            CAR RE: pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 11:36 AM

            Barolo
            Price may be an obstacle, but the wines are singing

            1. njfoodies RE: pomme de terre Aug 5, 2008 12:37 PM

              You can also do a search on Wine-Searcher.com and see what comes up. On the Pro version, it lists 622 results.

              Aberfeldy Whisky Highlands Scotland United Kingdom
              Angelo Gaja Costa Russi Barbaresco Piemonte Italy
              Angelo Gaja Red Barbaresco Piemonte Italy
              Angelo Gaja Sori Tilden Barbaresco Piemonte Italy
              Argiano Rsrv Brunello Montalcino Tuscany Italy
              Ausone St Emilion Bordeaux France
              Bacchus Cab Sauv Joseph Phelps Napa County Northern California Coast Usa
              Balvenie 25 Malt Whisky Speyside Scotland United Kingdom
              Barbieto Sercial Madeira Portugal
              Barros Colheita Port Oporto Duoro Portugal
              Basse Soldera Brunello Montalcino Tuscany Italy
              Batailley Pauillac Bordeaux France
              Beaucastel Chateauneuf Pape Rhone France
              Beaumnt Cab Sauv Merlot Haut Medoc Bordeaux France
              Bekaa Valley Musar Rouge Lebanon
              Beringer Cab Sauv Prvt Rsrv Napa Valley California
              Beychevelle St Julien Bordeaux France
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              Bon Climat Sanford Benedict Pinot Noir South Coast Santa Ynez Barbara California
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              Borgogno Sergio Batista Cannubi Nebbi Barolo Piemonte Italy
              Bouchard Corton Charlemagne Aloxe Cote Beaune Burgundy France
              Bouchard Echezeaux Vosne Romanee Grand Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Bouchard Pere Estate Pinot Noir Corton Aloxe Grand Cote Beaune Burgundy France
              Bouchard Pere Volnay Les Caillerets Cote Beaune Burgundy France
              Boyd Cantenac Margaux Bordeaux France
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              Brane Cantenac Margaux Bordeaux France
              Broadbent Terrantez Rsrv Madeira Portugal
              Brovia Illy Rocche Nebbi Barolo Piemonte Italy
              Brune Blond Etienne Guigal Red North Cote Rotie Rhone France
              Buehler Cab Sauv Napa Valley California
              Burgess Cab Sauv Selection Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa
              Bv Beaulieu George Latour Prvt Rsrv Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast
              Canon St Emilion Bordeaux France
              Cantemerle Haut Medoc Bordeaux France
              Castarede Bas Armagnac France
              Castillo Ygay Gran Rsrv Marque Murrieta Rioja Spain
              Castillo Ygay Gran Rsrv Spc Marq Murrieta Rioja Alta Spain
              Caymus Cab Sauv Napa Valley California
              Caymus Cab Sauv Spc Selection Rutherford Napa Valley California
              Ceretto Brunate Nebbi Barolo Piemonte Italy
              Certan May Pomerol Bordeaux France
              Charles Krug Cab Sauv Selection Napa Valley California
              Chave Jean Louis Red Hermitage Rhone France
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              Chevalier Rouge Graves Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France
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              Clos Val Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa
              Clos Val Napa Valley California
              Clos Val Rsrv Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa
              Coeur Lion Calvados France
              Coleburn Whisky Speyside Scotland United Kingdom
              Comte George Vogue Grand Cru Vieilles Vigne Pinot Noir Musigny Chambolle Cote Nuit
              Comte Lafon White Montrachet Puligny Grand Cote Beaune Burgundy France
              Comte Taittinger Brut Champagne France
              Comte Vogue Vieilles Vigne Musigny Chambolle Grand Cru Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Coron Pere Pinot Noir Clos Vougeot Cote Nuit Burgundy France
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              Coutet Barsac Bordeaux France
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              Cvne Rioja Vina Real Crianza Tempranillo Spain
              Dartigalongue Armagnac France
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              Duhart Milon Pauillac Bordeaux France
              Dujac Clos La Roche Morey St Denis Grand Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Etienne Guigal La Landonne Cote Rotie Rhone France
              Evangiles Pomerol Bordeaux France
              Faiveley Clos La Marechal Nuit St George Cote Burgundy France
              Fargues Sauterne Barsac Bordeaux France
              Feist Port Duoro Portugal
              Ferreira Port Oporto Duoro Portugal
              Fieuzal Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France
              Figeac St Emilion Bordeaux France
              Fonseca Port Oporto Duoro Portugal
              Fossacolle Sangiovese Grosso Brunello Montalcino Tuscany Italy
              Franc Mayne St Emilion Bordeaux France
              Freemark Abbey Cab Sauv Bosche Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa
              Gazin Pomerol Bordeaux France
              Geantet Pansiot Poissenots Gevrey Chambertin Premier Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Giacomo Borgogno Figli Rsrv Nebbi Barolo Piemonte Italy
              Giacomo Conterno Barolo Monfortino Piemonte Italy
              Gilette Creme Tete Sauterne Barsac Bordeaux France
              Giroud Les Rugiens Pommard Cote Beaune Burgundy France
              Giscours Margaux Bordeaux France
              Gloria St Julien Bordeaux France
              Grace Fmly Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast
              Grand Puy Ducasse Pauillac Bordeaux France
              Grand Puy Lacoste Pauillac Bordeaux France
              Gruaud Larose St Julien Bordeaux France
              Guigal Cote Rotie Rhone France
              Guigal Sra Hermitage Rhone France
              Hacienda El Condor Cab Sauv Millaman Curico Valle Central Chile
              Haut Bailly Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France
              Haut Brion Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France
              Heitz Bella Oak Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast
              Heitz Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa
              Heitz Martha Cab Sauv Napa Valley Northern California Coast
              Henri Bonneau Rsrv Celestin Chateauneuf Pape Rhone France
              Henri Jayer Aux Murger Nuit St George Cote Burgundy France
              Henri Jayer Cros Parantoux Vosne Romanee Premier Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Henri Jayer Richebourg Vosne Romanee Grand Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Henry Remy Pinot Noir Gevrey Chambertin Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Henschke Mnt Edelstone Sra Eden Valley South Australia
              Inglenook Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa
              Jean Gros Richebourg Vosne Romanee Grand Cote Nuit Burgundy France
              Joseph Phelps Cab Sauv Napa Valley California
              Joseph Phelps Insignia Red Napa Valley California
              Kopke Colheita Port Oporto Duoro Portugal
              Kopke Port Oporto Duoro Portugal
              La Clusiere St Emilion Bordeaux France
              La Conseillante Pomerol Bordeaux France
              La Dominique St Emilion Bordeaux France
              La Gaffeliere St Emilion Bordeaux France
              La Grave A Pomerol Bordeaux France
              La Grave Figeac St Emilion Bordeaux France
              La Lagune Haut Medoc Bordeaux France
              La Louviere Blanc Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France
              La Mission Haut Brion Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France
              La Mondotte St Emilion Bordeaux France

              Just to name a few.... -mJ

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                Frodnesor RE: njfoodies Aug 5, 2008 12:53 PM

                I'm guessing there's not a lot of those priced @ $100.

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                  njfoodies RE: Frodnesor Aug 5, 2008 12:58 PM

                  Of the 622, 212 of them are below $100.00. A few examples pasted below:

                  Aberfeldy Whisky Highlands Scotland United Kingdom (1)
                  Bacchus Cab Sauv Joseph Phelps Napa County Northern California Coast Usa (5)
                  Barros Colheita Port Oporto Duoro Portugal (2)
                  Batailley Pauillac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Beaumnt Cab Sauv Merlot Haut Medoc Bordeaux France (1)
                  Beychevelle St Julien Bordeaux France (6)
                  Boyd Cantenac Margaux Bordeaux France (1)
                  Branaire Ducru St Julien Bordeaux France (1)
                  Brane Cantenac Margaux Bordeaux France (3)
                  Burgess Cab Sauv Selection Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa (2)
                  Bv Beaulieu George Latour Prvt Rsrv Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast (1)
                  Cantemerle Haut Medoc Bordeaux France (1)
                  Certan May Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Charles Krug Cab Sauv Selection Napa Valley California (2)
                  Clerc Milon Pauillac Bordeaux France (2)
                  Clos Val Napa Valley California (1)
                  Clos Val Rsrv Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast Usa (2)
                  Cos Estournel St Estephe Bordeaux France (3)
                  Coutet Barsac Bordeaux France (2)
                  Croizet Bages Pauillac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Cvne Rioja Vina Real Crianza Tempranillo Spain (1)
                  Doisy Daene Sec Blanc Barsac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Dows Bomfim Single Quinta Port Oporto Duoro Portugal (1)
                  Dry Creek Zinfandel Valley Sonoma County Northern California Coast Usa (1)
                  Duckhorn Cab Sauv Napa Valley California (1)
                  Duhart Milon Pauillac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Fargues Sauterne Barsac Bordeaux France (3)
                  Feist Port Duoro Portugal (6)
                  Ferreira Port Oporto Duoro Portugal (4)
                  Fieuzal Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France (2)
                  Figeac St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  Fossacolle Sangiovese Grosso Brunello Montalcino Tuscany Italy (1)
                  Franc Mayne St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  Gazin Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Gloria St Julien Bordeaux France (2)
                  Grand Puy Ducasse Pauillac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Grand Puy Lacoste Pauillac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Gruaud Larose St Julien Bordeaux France (4)
                  Hacienda El Condor Cab Sauv Millaman Curico Valle Central Chile (1)
                  Haut Bailly Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France (1)
                  Haut Brion Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France (1)
                  Kopke Colheita Port Oporto Duoro Portugal (2)
                  La Clusiere St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Dominique St Emilion Bordeaux France (19)
                  La Gaffeliere St Emilion Bordeaux France (2)
                  La Grave A Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Grave Figeac St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Lagune Haut Medoc Bordeaux France (2)
                  La Louviere Blanc Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Mondotte St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Pointe Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Tour Carnet Haut Medoc Bordeaux France (1)
                  La Vieilles Julienne Red Chateauneuf Pape Rhone France (1)
                  Lascombes Margaux Bordeaux France (1)
                  Latour Pauillac Bordeaux France (1)
                  Leoville Cases St Julien Bordeaux France (3)
                  Les Grand Murailles St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  Les Picasse Olga Raffault Red Chinon Touraine Loire France (1)
                  Lynch Bages Grand Pauillac Bordeaux France (4)
                  Marchesi Barolo Piemonte Italy (1)
                  Martinez Port Quinta Eira Velha Duoro Portugal (2)
                  Matanzas Creek Cab Sauv Sonoma County Northern California Coast Usa (1)
                  Maucaillou Moulis Bordeaux France (1)
                  Merlot Stags Leap Napa County Northern California Coast (2)
                  Meyney St Estephe Bordeaux France (1)
                  Monbousquet St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  Montelena Zinfandel Napa Valley California (2)
                  Montrose St Estephe Bordeaux France (4)
                  Nenin Pomerol Bordeaux France (2)
                  Niebaum Coppola Rubicon Rutherford Napa Valley California (1)
                  Pape Clement Rouge Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France (3)
                  Pavie St Emilion Bordeaux France (2)
                  Petit Village Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Phelan Segur St Estephe Bordeaux France (1)
                  Phelps Joseph Johannisberg Riesling Select Late Harvest Anderson Valley Mendocino County Northern (1)
                  Picque Cailloux Red Pessac Leognan Bordeaux France (1)
                  Pitray Cote Castillon Bordeaux France (1)
                  Plince Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Pontet Canet Pauillac Bordeaux France (2)
                  Potensac Medoc Bordeaux France (1)
                  Pouget Margaux Bordeaux France (1)
                  Prieur Lichine Margaux Bordeaux France (1)
                  Produttori Barbaresco Piemonte Italy (1)
                  Quinta Infantado Port Duoro Portugal (1)
                  Quinta Noval Port Oporto Duoro Portugal (1)
                  Rauzan Gassies Margaux Bordeaux France (1)
                  Ravenswood Cab Sauv Sonoma County Northern California Coast Usa (1)
                  Robert Mondavi Cab Sauv County Napa Valley Northern California Coast (1)
                  Rouget Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Sales Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Silver Oak Cab Sauv Alex Valley Sonoma County Northern California Coast (1)
                  Soutard St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)
                  St Michelle Cab Sauv Columbia Valley Washington (1)
                  Sterling Cab Sauv Napa Valley County Northern California Coast (1)
                  Taillefer Pomerol Bordeaux France (1)
                  Taylor Fladgate Port Oporto Duoro Portugal (2)
                  Tertre Margaux Bordeaux France (1)
                  Torres Gran Coronas Black Rsrv Propriet Penedes Catalonia Spain (1)
                  Verdignan Haut Medoc Bordeaux France (1)
                  Vieux Chauvin St Emilion Bordeaux France (1)

              2. Bill Hunt RE: pomme de terre Aug 6, 2008 08:04 PM

                Had the last bottle of a restaurant's '78 Inglenook Cab (think that it was just listed as Napa, but I guess that it could have been Rutherford, or Oakville - should have taken notes). It was drinking beautifully. My guests were NOT impressed that I had ordered an Inglenook, but quickly changed their mind. However, finding one, in great condition, might be tough. Over the years, I have probably had most of a case at this particular restaurant, so I was honored to finish off their last bottle. Back when, they were a WS Grand Award winner, but have slid in the last 5 years. Still, good cellar and cellar conditions.

                For Vintage Ports, I do not recall anyone declaring in '78. '77 was a big year for most, and I think that the next of any significance was '83. Doesn't help you, I know.

                Haven't had any Bdx, or Burgs on my radar, so cannot comment on '78 there. A '75 Latour was great, though pale and thin, next to a '70, but still doesn't help you.

                Sorry!

                Happy anniversary to your parents, BTW,

                Hunt

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                  craig_g RE: pomme de terre Aug 12, 2008 09:38 AM

                  Some 1978 Champagnes were made, but the ones in your price range won't be good and the good ones (DP Rose, Cristal) will be way out of your price range.

                  Just about any red Burgundy you find (even down to village level wines, at least from serious producers) will be excellent if it's been stored well. Bordeaux is more variable, but better on the left bank. Rhones are outstanding, one of the vintages of the century in both north and south; same goes for Piedmont. California is also very good and probably the most cost-effective option.

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                    pinotho RE: pomme de terre Aug 12, 2008 03:17 PM

                    pomme de terre : I think it's a neat idea to give your parents a memorable bottle........but (there always has to be a "but") I don't think you can pull it off for the $100. 1978 was a great year for both Burgundy and the Piedmont , but I don't think you can buy a bottle that you can trust for $100 , or anything very close to $100 . Which leads me to ask you if you have considered Madeira ? I'm sure your folks would enjoy it , as it's in the same class as port and sherry . The Rare Wine Co. currently has a bottle of 1968 for $125. , a bottle of 1977 for $100 , and a bottle of 1988 fro $90. Why not give them a call , and explain your situation , and I'll bet they can run down a bottle of 1978 for you .
                    www.rarewineco.com
                    Good luck with your project......

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                      whiner RE: pomme de terre Aug 12, 2008 03:29 PM

                      Wait... why not get them a 30 Year Tawney Port!?!? That would fit bill... literally!

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                        pomme de terre RE: whiner Aug 13, 2008 06:15 AM

                        Oh, a tawny port is a good idea! But in the end, I didn't do the anniversary wine. There certainly were bottles from 1978 that were less than $100, but they seemed sort of suspect. Now that I think about it, a better idea would have been to find out what the best wine from 1978 was and then bought a more recent vintage (so it could still have a connection, but not be insanely expensive and/or bad).

                        And I did know that $100 was a cheapskate price. But my father would have been appalled by his kids spending any more than that, and subsequently wouldn't have been able to enjoy the bottle. You know dads. I could have put that money in a savings account! Had my oil changed! Used it to buy vegetables, of which I do not eat enough!

                        But thank you very much to everyone for the all the wine resources.

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                          Bill Hunt RE: pomme de terre Aug 13, 2008 08:43 PM

                          But wait! You can't get off that easy. What DID you get? Not another tie, I hope... ?

                          Hunt

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                            pomme de terre RE: Bill Hunt Aug 14, 2008 10:38 AM

                            Well, my sister bought some sort of wine, whose name currently escapes me. (The restaurant was BYOB, which is part of the reason we thought of getting them wine in the first place.)

                            And then there was sort of a gag gift, with a chowhoundish story attached.

                            When telling the tale of her wedding day, my mother always mentions that she had a shrimp salad sandwich for lunch. (My grandmother famously would not let her have a Coke with it, for fear she would burp during the ceremony.) So on their actual anniversary, I went to the same deli and ordered the same thing, and got into a conversation with the clerk about it. The clerk suddenly got REALLY chatty about how he LOVES to hear romantic stories and stores them away in his memory because did he mention he's a songwriter and by the way, would I like a free sample of his demo CD? It's a really romantic song that my parents could listen to and celebrate their love.

                            So in the end, I got them a) an anonymous bottle of wine and b) a free Gershwin-ish demo CD. Happy 30th, Mom and Dad!

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                              tmso RE: pomme de terre Aug 14, 2008 01:12 PM

                              Dude, you didn't get her a coke?

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                                pomme de terre RE: tmso Aug 14, 2008 02:30 PM

                                No, but I did buy myself one when I got the sandwich. No one at my office cared if I burped.

                                FYI, the ShrimpSalSand at Eddie's of Roland Park is very tasty. I bet it did not cost in excess of $8.00 back in '78, though.

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                        mikems RE: pomme de terre Apr 4, 2009 12:47 PM

                        I have a 750 ml bottle of Cotes du Rhone red table wine from 1978 by Dulong Freres et Fils. Anyone have any idea of what this is?

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                          RicRios RE: mikems Apr 4, 2009 03:16 PM

                          Irrespective of producer and storage conditions, any 30+ year old Côtes du Rhône is trash by now.

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                            Vinny Barbaresco RE: RicRios Apr 6, 2009 12:01 AM

                            Have you not heard of Ch. Fonsalette? The 1978 Cotes du Rhone and Cotes du Rhone Cuvee Syrah are quite alive and kicking, if not downright vigorous!

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                              RicRios RE: Vinny Barbaresco Apr 6, 2009 08:44 AM

                              Well, Fonsalette is not Rhone, it's Rayas.

                              But then again, as much as I enjoyed and enjoy old generation ( that is, father Louis and son Jacques Raynaud of revered memory ) monumentals Chateauneuf-du-Pape Reserve ( I even remember putting together a 10 year vertical centered around the 1990), somehow my neurons couldn't save the memory of the Pignans and Fonsalettes, or even the white CdP for that matter. Undoubtedly it's just me.

                              Yougest generation ( Emmanuel ), however, might start getting even with history and my remaining brain cells. The 2004 red AND white CdP already making a strong impression in my wino ROM.

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