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I am quite happy with the winner, the only one with a personality that jumps!

I think the editing was very biased (perhaps, well ok it probably was) otherwise it was a fair decision, I WILL watch the winner's show in a week.

Aaron just had a personality that needed a bit of encouragement, he was the only one I would even consider watching if the winner got a show

he has to kill the bigdaddy thing tho-the neely's do it and it is already annoying

wtg aaron!

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  1. I'm also happy Arron won. I have liked him since the beginning. However I think Adam had the best pilot. Lisa who I was never a fan of,and came up with yet another reason about her reason for doing a show, I felt came in second. It was interesting to see that she developed a couple of new show ideas. Arron was third in this contest.

    On a side note I thought the president of FN could have made the effort an gotten a little dressed up for the finale. Just seemed very sloppy.

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    1. re: Withnail42

      Ha, I thought the same thing about the FN president. It looked as if someone grabbed her from her office, took her to the studio and said "read this". The producers should have helped dress Arron as well, and toned down Adam's makeup. The whole thing was a little hard to watch.

      I also thought Adam had the best pilot, but the concept seems the same as the upcoming "Ask Aida".

      1. re: azhotdish

        well they "phoned in" the network's entire programming concept....so, why not "phone in" the president's appearance on the show?

        here's the scenario:
        prez: uh, yeah, tushman, whaddya want? i'm on the line with my gardener.
        tush: well, madam president, i hate to disturb you, but....er...well, could you come out to the set?
        prez: you don't get it, do you??! i have a henweed problem in my backyard! it must be addressed, and i'm on my way home! OK, tushman, you want what?
        come on the set?
        tush: (mumble)
        prez: oh, for cryin' out frickin' loud. AlLRIGHT already! i'm coming on over, but i am NOT happy about it. now.....WHY am i coming over?!

        1. re: azhotdish

          i agree with azhotdish & withnail. i finally had a chance to watch the finale last night, and i thought adam *killed* it with his pilot. to me, he was the clear winner. it was FUN to watch him, and he was so comfortable up there.

          susie fogelson is full of it. she was fawning all over aaron, telling him how she learned so much from watching him. huh? i didn't hear him offer a single tip that viewers might have found helpful. he didn't even explain WHY he waited until the last minute to throw the sliced garlic into his green beans - of course we all know that's to avoid burning & bitterness, but an amateur cook who's just turning in to learn something might not. he also made some random comment about the juices in his steak pooling up, but never explained that the point of resting was to allow those juices to redistribute so that they WOULDN'T run out all over the plate when he sliced it.

          aaron seems like a perfectly nice, likable guy, but i certainly don't get a sense of expertise or confidence from him that makes me think i'd learn anything from watching him. and as the OP stated, he's already too neely-esque. i've never even watched their show but i've seen their promos, and that's enough - they immediately jumped into my mind during aaron's pilot.

          interestingly, i thought lisa's pilot was the worst of the three, primarily because she seemed uncomfortable & forced. her speech patterns didn't flow. she definitely redeemed herself in my eyes as the season wore on in terms of her cooking chops and passion, but i never would have been able to watch her. too frenetic, and even though she may not mean to, she still comes across as condescending. age 13 must have been a turning point for her - one minute she's sunning herself in a bathing suit with no interest in catching fish, the next minute she's mastering zabaglione.

          can't say i was surprised, because i had already seen the spoiler earlier in the week, but it's still a huge disappointment to see just what a mess FN made of this.

          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

            I lolled at this ....

            "age 13 must have been a turning point for her - one minute she's sunning herself in a bathing suit with no interest in catching fish, the next minute she's mastering zabaglione."

            thanks for the first laugh of the day ghg!

            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

              I never liked Adam from the start, he seemed fake and forced ... I dunno..

              1. re: sugarsnapp

                i wasn't an adam believer either - it took the entire season for me to think he might have it in him. but he really came into his own in the vegas challenges, and i absolutely thought his pilot was clearly the best of the three.

                alas, it makes no difference now.

        2. OK, here are my questions to the Fraud Network: When was the finale videotaped? When is the first airing of Aaron's show, which was supposed to start the week after? When is his time slot?

          I sure would hate to be on the crew for his new show, since they will probably require dozens of takes and multiple subs for the food. Probably very long hours. But good steady employment for the editors, since their magic will be necessary for the voice-overs and covering up his amateur missteps. Aaron is nice enough, but he should nave been eliminated last week. And while plantains may work with pork or chicken or maybe even flank steak or carne asada, who pairs it with an expensive ribeye?

          I'll start the pool on how long his show lasts at four episodes max. Which is four times more than we should EVER see Tuschman's monotone about "this will change your life forever."

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          1. re: nosh

            I agree with nosh. I'm not sure I'd watch any of them, but I'd never watch Aaron. Predicting four episodes is generous.

            It all seemed like a set up. Didn't the public vote all the times before? At least then there's somewhat of a market out there. This show never had any real credibility, but now it's nothing but a two-month long commercial for a show that the network knows won't sell.

            1. re: Piranha

              >>> Predicting four episodes is generous

              ALL new shows on FN -- be they from finding someone on their own or past winners of NFNS -- six episodes. Then if they pick them up again they get another six. If they do it a third time, they get something like 14-20

          2. To my shock, all three did well with their "pilot" performances last night. I agree Adam did a shade better than the others, but all (again, surprisingly) good.

            Happy I called the winner correctly last week! Yea!

            As to will I watch the show. I may watch one or two out of curiosity. Other than that, I will do the same thing I do with any show ... read the online episode description of what they're cooking and if it sounds good I peek. If the show's good I stay, if it sucks I leave. Other than the shows that are on my blacklist (Sandra Lee for example), that's what I do with all the cooking shows, be it some one at the bottom of my list to the top, doesn't matter who's cooking as much as first do I want to see them cook xyz or not ... and then when I tune in, do they do it well and does the food or they hold my attention. Weird, I guess, but in the end to me, it's not personality, it's the cooking.

            1. I just want to know why none of the Judges commented negatively on the snotty "If I could master this at 13 then you can do it now" line. Did they seriously find that charming and "real"?

              While I like Aaron -- I do think Adam had a far more interesting premise to his pilot.

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              1. re: karmalaw

                I also thought Adam's premise was the most interesting but it was doomed because it seems to be the same as, or very close to, Aida's new show. The producer should have known that FN already had Aida's show in the lineup.

                I like Aaron, as well, but I can't understand a word he says and I thought his show was the worst of the three.

                1. re: whatsfordinner

                  It combined a lot of already-tried concepts: Tyler Florence's Food 911 (rescuing recipes), Sara Moulten used to get on the phone with callers who had questions about recipes, and yes, Ask Aida is the exact same thing.

              2. I was surprised- right before they announced it, I said that it was definitely not Aaron. Good for him though.
                How many episodes did the last winner's show get? It wasn't many...

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                1. re: JCap

                  HAHAHA! JCap, that's exactly what I said. When they did the close-ups of each of the three just before Bobby announced the winner, when they showed Aaron, I said, "He doesn't have a chance." I thought Aaron's pilot was the worst of all--it was obvious it was edited together from many many takes and that he never got comfortable on camera and gave them a decent take.

                  Nevertheless, I do like him and will watch his show --an episode or two at least--out of curiosity. I really hopes he gets more comfortable with the camera and they invest in training him at least a little. He's been their clear favorite all along and I really do think he knows how to cook. Did he always excel at their goofy challenges? No, but he seldom truly flopped with the food part--just with the camera/on air personality part. So, hopefully, he'll relax. Do the "stars" do their own writing for their shows, too? I hope they help him with that because occasionally, he exercises really poor judgment in some of the things he says.

                  I agree, actually, with most everything said in this thread. Why didn't someone tell Aaron not to wear a white shirt under a dark sweater?

                  Why did they like Lisa's comment "If I could master this at 13..." I thought it was kind of condescending.

                  And, yes, Adam's concept seems quite similar to Ask Aida. The difference is, Aida is someone with a lot of food knowledge. I have never understood all season everyone's comments here on Chowhound as well as on the show about what a natural performer Adam was. I found him frenetic and forced. A nice enough guy, I'm sure. Hopefully, this gives him confidence to do more of what he wants to do.

                  And Lisa, I really was pulling for her in the end. She does have moments of real charm.

                  ~TDQ

                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                    I don't like Aaron - I did at first, but not so much now. I really wanted Lisa to win, but they weren't looking for a woman - they have enough of those on the network.

                  2. re: JCap

                    <How many episodes did the last winner's show get? It wasn't many...>

                    She got 6 and then conveniently quit because she didn't like it.........

                    1. re: ChefJune

                      Wow, really? I wondered what happened to her ... Do you have some sort of inside scoop on this?

                      1. re: LulusMom

                        I read that she thought that the online community were being too viscious, nothin' compared to what will prolly be Aaron's fate..

                  3. I was never excited about anybody this season. I was really surprised when they announced Aaron had won. I did like his pilot-but they had better use the same producer because he really knows how to make them shine! If Aaron doesn't last more than his 6 episodes, I'm thinking TNFNS will be in the tank.

                    1. Here's hoping the other networks were watching, and that, like Nathan Lyon (another contestant when Guy Fieri wonTNFNS) who ended up with his own show on one of the Discovery channels, someone will snag up Lisa and/or Adam.

                      Maybe a cooking show for Lisa on STYLE network?

                      1. Well, that was disappointing. Only Adam and Lisa had intersting ideas for shows....Lisa with the 5 star dining brought home or Adam with the web interaction. Aaron's show, it seems, will rely solely on his charm, which in my opinion, is too forced. The cooking portion was nothing out of the ordinary...Big Daddy? Big spices? I thought it would be Adam, I really did. Oh well...more disappointment from FN. I agree with another poster who said to put Lisa on Style network. She could be the new, hip Martha Stewart. And Adam is engaging enough to watch on a weekly basis, too.

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                        1. re: ptrap

                          Thank you, I thought Aaron was forced too. I always thought that!

                        2. i thought it was awful. he had BY FAR the worst pilot. i mean i was an initial supporter. he seems charming and i'm sure he's a nice enough guy but his food chops weakened a bit by the end and he's terrible on camera. and "big daddy's kitchen"? why must everything be about comfort-y food. i love it to eat from time to time but thought that lisa was the way to go. she's like a hip martha or really an ina (who loves to show how she throws nice parties and just loves beautiful food. i love her recipes - they're easy but great) and i know tons of young people who would have liked those hip ideas for parties and everyday. i think they will regret that decision. if she was slghtly self-deprecating (which we know she's willing to be) and talked about herself at 13 as awkward and retreating to food or something like that and then said she could master it so you could too - it wouldn't be condescending at all. remember they had only 4 1/2 minutes. she actually taught a lot about her recipe - the ingredients, why she did things the way she did. NO one else gave any specifics. besides that meal looked great.

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                          1. re: AMFM

                            You didn't see Adam's pilot? He gave a number of specifics while talking to a distracting woman. IMO I thought he had the best pilot. But he was never going to get a show as his concept was already being used in 'Ask Aida'. Then Lisa was second with a strong performance. But they already have a huge surplus of female hostess with even more on the way. They need to change it up so that's Lisa out. I have been an Arron fan for quite some time but based on the pilots alone he should not have won. And as much as I hate to say it based on his performance in Vegas he should not have been in the finals.

                            1. re: Withnail42

                              I agree based on the Vegas show, he shouldn't have been there. About halfway throughout the show, Food Network decided that they wanted Aaron to win. This show is totally different from Top Chef. There's less at stake as to who wins Top Chef -- otherwise Ilan would have never won Season 2. So it's more of an unbiased show where they just pick the person who cooked the best at the finale. But with TNFNS, Food Network's got to deal with the winner for six shows, and has got a lot at stake. They hope that this person could turn into the next Guy Fieri. So this show can't be unbiased. Food Network fully knows what they're doing.

                              1. re: Miss Needle

                                They may know what they are doing - but I think they made a mistake this time. If they want certain types of people on their network to recurit more viewers, fine - no problem, but to skew what is supposed to be a fair competition in order to achieve that goal is ridiculous. As far as Adam's show - don't you think that Aida's show came from this idea? Remember this competition was filmed in January and February and her show just started. It was the same with Jag's show. I think once they found out that he couldn't win, they found what's her face and make a quick show with her. These contests are filmed way before we see them - plenty of time to steal an idea and start a new show.

                                1. re: kprange

                                  i totally said the same thing to my husband last night. i had heard that aaron was the winner, but i had also heard a spoiler for top chef that said that antonia had won, so i wasn't sure if the aaron thing was right. once i saw adam's pilot, i was like, "no way - they are coming out with that 'ask aida' show so there's NO WAY they will have adam doing the same thing."

                                  also, i don't know if i was listening/watching "too hard" to check out the conspiracy theories about aaron being their man from the start, but it seemed like lisa and adam had a set number of takes and aaron made a comment on how he didn't even know how many takes he had done, but it seemed like a million. it seemed like they worked aaron more to their specs and let adam and lisa go it alone. if that's the case, i think both adam and lisa did an awesome job. maybe i'm just buying into the whole theory myself now!

                                  and p.s. if aida's show idea came from adam's, i'm sure the contestants sign away any rights to any ideas that they bring forth. nice way to "brainstorm" new programs, right?

                                  1. re: pazzatania

                                    It was probably editing, but i wondered the same thing about the number of takes. It seemed like Lisa only had a few before she made the comment about only having one more take to get it right, or something like that. Then Aaron says he had like a million takes. I don't know...

                                    1. re: iluvtennis

                                      Aaron's promo was so fragmented that it seems it was edited from about a million takes, so, I wouldn't be surprised if they did many many takes for him.

                                      ~TDQ

                                    2. re: pazzatania

                                      They did pretty much the same thing last week in the first challenge, where all Aaron had to do was recite his lines while walking 20 feet and then standing at a craps table, while Lisa had to do it while being hoisted 40 feet in the air on cables and Adam had to do it while also sashaying down a stage arm in arm with two dancing girls.

                                      I think last season they actually wanted Jag to win so they could have a Latin themed show, but then it came out that there were discrepancies with his military record, and they scrambled and found Ingrid whatshername to fill that slot.

                                    3. re: kprange

                                      TNFNS had higher ratings than the season premiere of Project Runway. Food Network can take their innerworkings (finding a host) and turn it into a successful reality show. It's a win-win situation for them.

                                      1. re: kprange

                                        They knew well in advance of Jag being on the show that they were going to be doing a Latin show. His issues gave them a way out. I thought it was low of them to promote her show while the competition was still going on. It gave away JAGs fate.

                                        1. re: kprange

                                          Exactly... as soon as he said he had an idea that had never been seen I remembered seeing the ad for it last week - they took his idea and gave it to the person they wanted to have it! (if I was him I'd consider suing for theft of intellectual property rights because it really WAS a great idea!)

                                          1. re: Kajikit

                                            <(if I was him I'd consider suing for theft of intellectual property rights because it really WAS a great idea!)>

                                            it may have been ethically wrong for them to take the idea and run with it, but it is NOT illegal, and even if it were, he couldn't afford to sue them unless he was richer than G-d. Lawsuits cost a LOT of money, and the guys with the most generally win. The FN has a lot more than Adam Gertler.

                                            It would be very hard to prove that the idea was his first and that they didn't have it on their own.

                                            1. re: ChefJune

                                              ideas alone (without something else -- a writing, drawing, an embodiment) are never subject to "protection".

                                              1. re: ChefJune

                                                Bummer, I typed out a whole reply and it didn't take.

                                                Anyway, furthermore to ChefJune's point, I think a lot ends up on the editing room floor for these "reality" shows. We have no idea where his idea came from --it very likely could have been suggested to him off-camera. Furthermore, haven't you ever signed a nondisclosure/noncompete agreement that includes that clause saying all your ideas and inventions developed during the course of your employment belong to your employer anyway? I wouldn't be surprised if they signed something like that. If the food network has induced these people to sign agreements requiring them to share their post-show earnings with the FN, what difference does it make whose idea it is anyway? FN will still take its share.

                                                Honestly, I don't think it's such a great idea--I know every media outlet in the universe is staying to stay current on the "interactivity" bandwagon. I loved the idea it when I first heard it, but the more I thought about it, the less enamored I was. Unless they are going to air this show live or tape it currently, it's faux interactivity anyway. There's a thread bouncing about right now about ICA that includes a link to an article that says ICA tapes an entire season in 3 weeks! It seems to me the time between you getting to ask a question and then the time to see it on air would be painfully long anyway.

                                                That having been said, I'm rooting for Aida to succeed with her series, given her chow connection and all... Maybe they really are going to produce that show differently.

                                                ~TDQ

                                              2. re: Kajikit

                                                I'm sure all of the contestants' contracts included statements that anything they do on the program is "work for hire" and owned by the network.

                                            2. re: Miss Needle

                                              bobby flay actually said "i was rooting for him". we know. it was obvious. :) and adam did give some info - totally agreed. i thought his pilot was smoothest. only thing was it was about the one topic we already know he can cook.
                                              for awhile they had chiarello and tyler florence and mario. there were plenty of men on the food network. guy and duff and alton (i know they aren't real chefs) 4 of 5 iron chefs i actually think it's pretty even male/female. i just think they don't do upscale food anymore and i would've liked those recipes. but i agree he'll probably do fine in another show type or with a certain demographic.
                                              just hope maybe i see lisa somewhere. i was pleasantly surprised with how well all 3 of them did to be honest considering the start of the season.

                                        2. I disagree. After watching Adam's segment, I figured he was for sure the winner. Aaron's was better than he's been in the past but it STILL looked forced.

                                          It was obvious that they just really wanted to give him a show and would find any excuse to do so.

                                          1. I have to admit to having a soft spot in my heart for Aaron. I know Camden, NJ, his hometown and it's a rough place. It's good to see someone from a place like that get a break. I liked Lisa a lot too, but I have to say that her idea of combining food and fashion, etc., made me think of Sandra Lee (who I loathe) and her "tablescapes." Don't get me wrong, I think she has real food chops (as opposed to the scary Sandra), but I think FN is not the place for her. Style or Fine Living seems a better fit for her. I found Adam's pilot harder to watch than the other two (though Adam himself was very good) because of the woman on the computer screen talking at him. Yknow I've trashed the FN many times in the past for their "star" choices, but I'm beginning to understand that they aren't (and will never be) Style, Fine Living. or even Discovery or PBS. I think the people they choose fit their agenda very well and obviously someone is watching. Take that however you want lol. I think Aaron will be fine.

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                                            1. re: SharaMcG

                                              One other thing that has been telling for me: when asked "how did you find the experience of recording your own segment?" only Adam said that he actually enjoyed it. Both of the other finalists have said over and over how scared/anxious/concerned they are when on-camera.

                                              If nothing else, working with someone who actually enjoys what they do is a whole lot better than being around those who express negative feelings towards core aspects of the job.

                                              1. re: ooroger

                                                Both Emeril and Mario (and Rachael, too) were like deer in the headlights when they started on tv. Training and experience smoothed all that out.

                                            2. I thought Adam's did turn out the best but his cooking is about smoking, grilling, barbecue and that's Bobby Flay's thing. They don't need another. Lisa might know how to cook but she comes off as being too full of herself (about how she knows so much more than cooking, fashion, fine arts, singing, etc.). I agree w/ SharaMcG about the tablescapes and fashion. Maybe she could do Project Runway next since they did have a grocery store challenge recently.;-) I'm sure all the hosts on Food Network have other skills but they don't brag about them. Aaron is still awkward in front of the camera. I do like his personality when he's not on stage. It really does seem like food network decided who they wanted and geared the show that way but it is their network and their show. It's no different than most job interviews when you come right down to it.

                                              1. UGH.. this is soo frustrating. We watched this last night and our jaws dropped. His Schtick is almost the same as Guy Frieri(sp). There was something waaay comforting about how incredibly $$$$$ Lisa was.. I guess theres a guilty pleasure in watching a show that fun.. or even Adam, was much better than this.. Aaron... no offense.. your pilot was unwatchable.

                                                So someone answer this.. is this like American Idol... would it be better not to win, so they can pick you up later with a better non-Shttty contract?

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                                                1. re: cottie

                                                  What was unwatchable was his terrible slicing of the plantain and then his "add a little butter" comment while adding half-a-stick. Not only did it look bad, but it couldn't have possibly tasted good.

                                                  1. re: azhotdish

                                                    "What was unwatchable was his terrible slicing of the plantain and then his "add a little butter" comment while adding half-a-stick. Not only did it look bad, but it couldn't have possibly tasted good."
                                                    ~~~~~~~
                                                    he was pandering to the paula deen contingent with that one.

                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                      In an interview, he did say he loved Paula Deen's and Flay's cooking the most. His food really reminds me of Paula Deen's in many ways, which is exactly why it just doesn't appeal to me. Too heavy for my taste.

                                                  2. re: cottie

                                                    On the D Magazine blog that broke the spoiler story, Nancy Nichols said something about the losers still having to give FN a portion of their earnings for the next two years. That sucks for Lisa and Adam, but yeah, maybe they will get something better in the long run.

                                                    1. re: iluvtennis

                                                      a portion of their earnings from their regular jobs? they have to PAY FN? that seems weird.

                                                      1. re: sugarsnapp

                                                        I don't think it is from their regular job...i'm not sure how they determine it, but it is in the contracts they sign. From the blog:

                                                        "That said, I feel sorry for the final three-I think the Food Network owes them an apology for spilling the favas before the ending. As I said the other day, all of the contestants sold their souls to the Foodie Devil when they signed the dotted line to participate. Even though they didn’t win, they are all still under contract and have to remit part of their earnings for the next two years to the Food Network. (Think American Idol.) Yes, I know it makes sense-they got an immense, to say the least, amount of promotion from the FN, and I’m sure Lisa’s catering line is ringing off the hook, but it still feels icky to me."

                                                        http://sidedish.dmagazine.com/2008/07...

                                                        1. re: iluvtennis

                                                          that is insanity! i guess i figured you'd have to sign it all away, but to remit part of your earnings? from the sound of that blog, it seems like it does include their regular jobs. and i wonder if that includes everyone, even some of the first people cut off the show...

                                                          and how about the fact that as reality tv "stars" (i use the term loosely), they don't get paid for bringing the network viewers. now they have to pay to have provided entertainment? seems crazy. but not surprising, i guess.

                                                          i think if it's true re: earnings (whether food network earned or regular job earned), i have to agree with the d magazine blog - it is totally icky.

                                                          1. re: pazzatania

                                                            I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to sign a contract with TFN that, should they *not* win, anything they make at ANY OTHER job elsewhere for a period of two years (for any NON-Food Network-related positions or jobs) a portion of their non-FN earned salary goes to TFN. That's gotta be extortion.

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              i agree that i think that would be totally bogus. but the wording of that other post makes it seem like that's what it is. maybe it just means the people involved in food network get a portion of their salary taken. but that's stupid too, b/c if they are paying them anyway, what is the point of taking a cut from their salary?

                                                              it makes no sense...UNLESS... it's to get a cut of the action were the NFNS to get a deal like guy fieri with friday's. THEN they'd be raking in the dough (probably).

                                                  3. Well, how predictable was THAT ending? It just didn't matter how good a job Lisa and Adam did, they had their minds set for weeks on Aaron. Aaron would have had to totally screw up to lose.

                                                    I'm not the slightest bit interested in his show. I don't find him to be such a passionate performer like they say. I don't think he speaks well - he slurs and stumbles. I don't think he offers anything new.

                                                    Jeers to the Food Network!

                                                    Meryl
                                                    http://inspiredbites.blogspot.com/

                                                    1. With no baseball that I wanted to watch on t.v. last night, I watched a few of these episodes back to back. Adam seemed to be a decent cook, and I also liked Aaron, he had the best personality of the bunch. I hated Lisa instantly, and was not impressed with her attitude, smugness, cooking, or entire schtick. The crying got old quickly.

                                                      I only watch FN when I am bored, and nothing else is on, and I would have watched a show with Adam, and I will probably watch Aaron's show at least once. If Lisa would have won it would have gone on the list of FN programs I cant switch off quick enough(Sandra Lee, R.R., Ina Gartin, Emeril, The cake show).

                                                      1. If anyone is going to be offended by this, well don't be. We're talking part political correctness and part demographics.

                                                        Seems this is what they've accomplished, FN, after last night:

                                                        - They've got another male. Note how every single season of NFNS they want males. They wanted JAG, but when that didn't work out settled for Amy over having Rory who was too close to looking like a Sandra Lee type.

                                                        - They've gone from zero black hosts in September of last year to by the end of this year. Four: Counting the Neelys as one for this purpose, Sunny Anderson, Aaron and a guy coming on in a month or two, Chef Jeff. If the Roker show happens late in year and Al hosts it, that's five.

                                                        What they didn't achieve from the show:

                                                        - No new regional (for instance, no Indian food with Nipa) cusine expert nor show.

                                                        I also wonder, seriously, if FN has a thing for looks alone. What makes me think this is ... Guy Fieri looks only like himself. Rory for season three looked too much like Sandra Lee. This season, Lisa and Aida could be seen as two slim brunettes with short hair. Adam could be seen as a cross between Dave Lieberwitz and Danny Bloome. Aaron compared to the rest of the lineup looks like Aaron.

                                                        Now please don't call ME shallow. It is I who have to sometimes wonder if FN thinks this way, do they really go that deeply on looks alone -- or am I reading too much into it?

                                                        And IF I am reading too much into this, trust me, it was the contortions they went through at the end of season three of NFNS that gives me this idea. I mean bringing back a contestant that had lost to have them win (Amy). By rights, from the President to Miss America, when you lose the first placed person, in this case JAG, it normally automatically goes to whoever was number two. So it seemed they went through amazing lengths just to avoid having another long-haired blonde with deep cleavage.

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                                                        1. re: HarryK

                                                          Interesting point but my question is why have Rory on in the first place and then why keep her until the final.

                                                          Some one there has a thing for blonds. Anyone remember the 'foot-model' from season one? In her demo she made guacamole. She lasted several episodes. Then there was Coulomb blond season three the woman refused to cook anything. One episode all she did was cut up fruit and they kept her.

                                                          1. re: Withnail42

                                                            >>> Interesting point but my question is why have Rory on in the first place and then why keep her until the final.

                                                            You bring up a very good point. Made me wonder about my little theory for a minute, but two possible answers, one, you said it, some one their likes blondes and there's probably a backroom discussion every year and someone gives in an says "give Joe or whoever his one blonde so we can move on" LOL. Second might be ... the NFNS itself. They might not want a certain type in the end, but it might be compelling for ratings during the show itself. I do seem to recall Rory bending a whole lot on that show with the opened blouse pointed to the camera. hehe

                                                            1. re: Withnail42

                                                              Colombe (presumably after Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe, not a unit of electrical current) Jacobsen is now actually working for the Food Network, doing videos on on the website. There is a section called 'Conscious Cooking' ( http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/consc... ) with subsections on healthy snacks, gluten free, vegetarian, etc. There is even a section of food and dietary issues for diabetics in which she is joined by Sam Talbot from Top Chef.

                                                            2. re: HarryK

                                                              I'm totally FOR diversity on the FN. But I would like to see more world diversity, not just racial diversity. The CBC has run some terrific programs about cooking in different parts of the world, the most recent being Pan-Asia, which visited 10 or 12 countries from Korea to Thailand and featured dishes from each. FN sorely needs a world cooking show (non-European, I mean) that could feature dishes from the Middle East, Africa, Asia, India, etc. What Tony Bordain does on the Travel Channel is close, but he's more an adventure host now than someone who focuses on cooking.

                                                              Judging by the overflow crowd at the vegetarian Indian class that I recently took, the FN audience is definitely ready to break out of the Fra-tali-que mold. They are way late in realizing it.

                                                              1. re: brendastarlet

                                                                Oh, you hit it on the head. If they can't seem to find one cook who can do this and one who can do that ... why not one show. And the first that came to mind was Bourdain. Meanwhile there's a strange little program on PBS called Barbecue America. Think it's in season 6 or 7. Weird thing about this show, they're in a different country each week. Strange, I know. The other week American-style BBQ in France and how the French do a twist. Missed it the other night (it's one of those bizarre Sunday 2am things here) but saw the description of the episode as being in Japan or something.

                                                                Now if a PBS-funded show can do an around the world thing .... Heck, FN used to have Planet Food and Follow That Food, not to mention Bourdain's early A Cook's Tour. Maybe they need those back to at least partially plug the giant hole in their lack of regional cuisines currently.

                                                                1. re: HarryK

                                                                  I think FN should hire Lisa to do style makeovers on the Pres and Ms Susie who really needs to be helped to find a better look. Hmm, could we combine a FN show with a TLC show and get her on What Not To Wear?
                                                                  Lisa, not easy to like, but easy to admire for her multi-talents and (insane) drive was just not what FN was looking for at this time. I wish "Big-Daddy" luck in his new show. He can cook but his range seems limited. Adam would have been fun to watch.

                                                                  1. re: lucyis

                                                                    I had the same thought about Lisa. That slob of an FN president could certainly use her help.

                                                                    I guess that more or less sum up FN. the head of the network can't even bother to dress up for one of their biggest shows.

                                                                  2. re: HarryK

                                                                    I will check out BBQ America -- I was in England two weeks ago, and we had what the English call a BBQ. It was very. very refined. A member of our group was from Alabama and he could hardly keep from bursting into laughter....

                                                                    Did you notice that A Cook's Tour returned for reruns a few weeks ago? Those shows were interesting and enlightening. The show where he and his brother go back to France was downright touching.

                                                                    1. re: brendastarlet

                                                                      "what the English call a BBQ. It was very. very refined. A member of our group was from Alabama and he could hardly keep from bursting into laughter...."
                                                                      _________
                                                                      yeah, i can see why! ;-P

                                                                      1. re: brendastarlet

                                                                        What do the English call a BBQ? I'm curious how cooking over wood or charcoal could ever be refined? It's just one step above cooking like an actual caveman.

                                                                        ~TDQ

                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                          This was at a very elegant resort hotel south of London (we were attending a conference.) It rained, first of all, so they erected a tent over the grills. They laid big butterflied prawns on the grill, and when they were done, they laid prime rib on the grill. As far as I could tell, there was no seasoning beyond butter on either.

                                                                          When they took the food inside to the chafing dishes, the prawns were put in one, and the sliced prime rib in another. There were dishes of horseradish and mustard and steak sauce nearby. It was tasty to be sure, but it was grilled food, not BBQ the way any 'merican would think of it.

                                                                          1. re: brendastarlet

                                                                            But how many Americans themselves say "I'm going to a BBQ" or "I'm having people over for a BBQ this weekend" and what they actually mean is grilling or a cookout? So I'm not surprised it's gotten bastardized around the world.

                                                                            1. re: brendastarlet

                                                                              But then, someone from Kansas and someone from NC think BBQ are totally different things too ...

                                                                      2. re: brendastarlet

                                                                        I heartily agree with this. I didn't care for Neepa (Nipa? Nita?) on TNFNS but I would be so into an Indian cookery show.

                                                                        Hell ... if Madhur Jaffrey had a show on TFN I'd actually pay for cable (I saw the reruns of this series OnDemand for free.)

                                                                        1. re: yumyum

                                                                          I'm getting desperate enough to see an Indian show on TV that I'd even be willing to watch Padma Lakshmi.

                                                                          But I would LOVE to see Jaffrey or Sahni. I think Jaffrey would be a natural, especially as she is an actress.

                                                                          1. re: Miss Needle

                                                                            re: MJ: I've seen her as a guest on some other cooking show and she's spell-binding. A story-teller who makes preparing Indian food look like a true pleasure.

                                                                          2. re: yumyum

                                                                            Jaffey would never agree to become a parody of herself, that leaves TVFN out of the question.

                                                                      3. And really, what's with giving a show to a guy who can't come up with original ideas during the competition? He used the honey-scallion sauce in the finale as well as in a previous challenge. I'd be worried that he's already repeating ideas, and he hasn't even aired his first episode yet.

                                                                        1. Question.

                                                                          Sitting on the couch watching pilots and not seeing the spoilers it seemed or knowing the outcome that during Aaron's bit they had numerous shots of the crowd laughing uncontrollably and really getting into his 'show'. They did no have as many enthusiastic crowd shots for Adam and Lisa. Was this the case or was I not paying attention?

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                                                                          1. re: Withnail42

                                                                            I totally noticed that too. They showed the audience like their sides were splitting with laughter and doing the Arsenio Hall 'whoo whoo whoo'.

                                                                            1. re: Withnail42

                                                                              You hit the nail on the head, withnail. I was like ... wt is going on? He did nothing to elicit that kind of an over the top reaction. Geez, Adam was a ton funnier. Makes you wonder if they had Robin Williams on to warm up the crowd and then spliced the reactions in for Aaron's pilot. LOL

                                                                              Boy, we thought Photochopping was bad. TV editing is much worse.

                                                                              1. re: HarryK

                                                                                I'm glad other people mentioned it -- the audience was roaring with laughter at a couple points in Aaron's pilot and I thought WTF?

                                                                                He seems like a swell guy, but totally unwatchable. Between the slurring and the grammar problems, I can't really see what FN was thinking. I'm sure he is a great cook - but a TV host????

                                                                            2. Of course Aaron has the spotlight with his new show, but has anyone seen any reactions from Lisa and/or Adam since the finale aired?

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                                                                              1. re: monavano

                                                                                Here's a video from Lisa's watching party

                                                                                http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/Sites/di...

                                                                                1. re: iluvtennis

                                                                                  thanks for posting that. she looks great, because she isn't sporting the romulan eyeshadow.

                                                                                  i wonder who catered the party ;)

                                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                    did they do exit interviews and were they posted after the spoiler was revoked?

                                                                                    thanks

                                                                                    (edited to add: I really do NOT want to go to the FN site because
                                                                                    A: it is poorly done-it was at the start and surprisingly still is
                                                                                    (but that is another thread)
                                                                                    B: i get pop unders there like crazy

                                                                                  2. re: iluvtennis

                                                                                    Now she's saying her goal was never to win? She is running out of stories to change. She already had several versions about why she had to win.

                                                                                    Now she says she got all her clothes at fashion week. I thought they were gifts from customers. No wait they were all bought at second hand shops. This is why I never warmed to her, fake, phony, insincere, untrustworthy, and fake(I know I said it twice).

                                                                                    And talk about a backhanded compliment to Aaron. 'He deserved it because he's not like me.'

                                                                                    1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                      >>> Now she's saying her goal was never to win? She is running out of stories to change. She already had several versions about why she had to win.

                                                                                      Damn! I figured it out. Lisa isn't meant to be a television host. She has network management written all over her! :)

                                                                                      1. re: HarryK

                                                                                        "Damn! I figured it out. Lisa isn't meant to be a television host. She has network management written all over her! :)"
                                                                                        ~~~~~~~
                                                                                        LOL!

                                                                                        i was struck by that comment as well. if she really didn't go on the show to win, it doesn't say too much about her character that she was potentially taking the chance away from someone who really wanted it.

                                                                                        but i have a hard time believing she didn't want it. how many times did we hear her say "i've wanted this since i was a little girl"?

                                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                          And don't forget the tears the went along with her various statements.

                                                                                          1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                            Primping and crying--that's what sticks out in my mind for her for the whole season.

                                                                                            I thought it was funny when she said she's wanted to win this since she was a little girl (maybe when she was making zabaglione she was thinking to herself, if only there were a TV network about food and they had a contest that I could win and make this on...). It's been on, what, four seasons? Her story changes to meet the circumstance. OTOH, maybe she has a future as a politician.

                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                              Although I think my favorite Lisa line was when she said her waring designer clothes and high end style style was not a made for tv image, BUT is really her giving back to the community!!!!!

                                                                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                >>> her giving back to the community

                                                                                                Holy crap! That whole "community" line she pushed so hard at the start just totally dropped off to no where after the first two episodes.

                                                                                                With, you're really good at reminding me of a lot of this junk I'd forgotten about. You're on your game!

                                                                                                1. re: HarryK

                                                                                                  I remember at least two occasions where the judges were completely befuddled by the community aspect of Lisa's POV and told her that she would have to work on fine tuning it. Talk about a POV changing though--all of a sudden Adam had an interactive Internet show in the last episode. I never heard him mention that until he had to come up with a pilot.

                                                                                                  1. re: dmjordan

                                                                                                    Not sure why that would matter. They were never actually asked to come up with a concept for a pilot prior to this, so dropped into a sudden brainstorming session pretty much anything can happen.

                                                                                                    Although IMO it is another reason that I think the contestants should walk in on day 1 armed with an idea for a pilot that gets refined as they go through the contest.

                                                                                                    1. re: jzerocsk

                                                                                                      That's what they used to do .

                                                                                              2. re: chowser

                                                                                                Chowser wrote:

                                                                                                <<Primping and crying--that's what sticks out in my mind for her for the whole season.>>

                                                                                                I'd add squinting to the list. I don't know if she's nearsighted or what, but she was often either squinting or on the verge of doing so. Still, I think she would have made a more successful host than "Big Daddy," because she had more cooking skills and appeared more comfortable in front of the camera.

                                                                                                1. re: lscanlon

                                                                                                  Now I just recalled (on my own for once, hehe) how she did that thing on the first episode where she turned the "Texas drawl" back on and said she could turn it on and off on a dime.

                                                                                                  She's very much what she chooses to be, and whatever image (or line) that she wants to give as the circumstance dictates. If not network management, or as someone said, politician, she should at least get into acting. She could win an Emmy or Oscar.

                                                                                                  Eck, the more I think about this, the more I'm starting to be glad she did not come in first. Talented, yes, but about as real as a wax banana.

                                                                                                  1. re: HarryK

                                                                                                    I thought her accent seemed more pronounced.

                                                                                                    Her fakeness is the most real thing about her.

                                                                                                    1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                      I was hearing the accent more by the end of the show -- it might have been the Paula Deen influence. But don't rag on her too much for the accent; when you're from a place with an easily identified accent, the first thing the TV folks tell you is to lose it, so she was probably coached.

                                                                                                    2. re: HarryK

                                                                                                      I don't think this is a bad thing. At the end of the day a "Food Network Star" is an actor who can cook or the reverse. The characters you see on TV are just that - characters. There's no requirement that the "Lisa Garza" TV character has to be identical to the Lisa Garza you would meet on the street.

                                                                                                      I also know lots of people (even people who aren't actors) who have a distinctive accent (Jamaican, Brooklyn, Irish, Minnesota/Northern Midwest) and switch it on and off based on who they're talking with (or how much they've had to drink!). There's nothing really "fake" about that. Of course we've seen Lisa do other things that might be considered "fake," but I guess the actor in me just sees her developing a character and thinks nothing of it.

                                                                                                  2. re: chowser

                                                                                                    >>> I thought it was funny when she said she's wanted to win this since she was a little girl

                                                                                                    hehe Which totally conflicts with her line from the beginning of the finale episode ... "If I don't get this I go home a loser."

                                                                                      2. i thought lisa was really genuine when she was talking about her tennessee grandma.

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                                                                                        1. re: alkapal

                                                                                          Only...it made me cringe when she said Paula Dean reminded her of her grandma in Tennessee. Yikes! I doubt Lisa is that much younger than Paula's sons.

                                                                                          1. re: Niblet

                                                                                            Why can't her character remind Lisa of her Grandma? I don't think it has anything to do with age at all. It has to do with how the person acts. I have found lots of people who have reminded me of family members, and they couldn't possibly be old enough to actually be that family member, but their pesonality or their essense is a strong trigger for me.

                                                                                            1. re: kprange

                                                                                              That's one creepy grandmother.

                                                                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                paula deen is not creepy. sometimes she has gone (way) over the top (i'm thinking paula's party), but i don't think that is what she is really like.....

                                                                                                1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                  I was thinking of the 'Party Paula.' That's a creepy granny.

                                                                                                  1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                    fair enough

                                                                                              2. re: kprange

                                                                                                Totally, but probably best not to say out loud "you remind me of someone old."

                                                                                          2. OK. Just rewatching the finale and want to know how you all pronounce zabaglione/zabayone/zabaione???
                                                                                            Lisa kept saying 'zabayaw' and you DO pronounce the 'n' at the end, right? I say za=ba-YOHN-nay.
                                                                                            It sounded pretentious, like she was putting on a Frech accent....
                                                                                            Anyway...Adam got robbed! I hope he gets a show.

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                                                                                            1. re: monavano

                                                                                              She was, as always, putting on a very bad and unnecessary French accent.

                                                                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                Meant to add she was talking about the Italian usage of the word but was attempting to pronounce it the French way with her made up French.

                                                                                              2. re: monavano

                                                                                                Yes you do pronounce it. If you want to be really anal and pretentious, you could try to pronounce the very soft G on "gli." Unless you're familiar with the language and where in the mouth this happens, it's best not to try, and just say za-ba-(lee)oh-nay. The "lee" in parens is so quick and short you almost don't even say it.

                                                                                                1. re: rockandroller1

                                                                                                  Yes - and I thought she pronounced it correctly - didn't think I heard the "yaw" bit.

                                                                                                  1. re: MMRuth

                                                                                                    My impression was that she said the french word, as opposed to the italian: sabayon (pronounced with her way of speaking french).