best restaurant/coffee shop/bar to write at
long time lurker, first time poster. Was wondering if some fellow hounds could help me out. I'm looking for something pretty specific here. Basically I want a place that my writing partner and I can hunker down for long hours, be a little loud, write, and tell raunchy jokes to each other without worrying about being listened in on by other people, fighting for seats, and getting kicked out because we finished eat two hours ago and the waiters wants to trade us out for new customers and more tip money (not that I blame them btw). Wireless is not necessary (and actually undesirable given our ADD issues). Outlets are a plus but aren't even completely necessary because I do a lot of writing in notebooks.
Here's what I'm NOT looking for: a coffee shop destination where you encounter boatloads of other writer types ala 18th Street Cafe in Santa Monica, Insomnia in Melrose area, Literati in Westwood, etc. Places where you have to be quiet, fight for outlets etc. I'm also not really concerned with food quality. Weird or interesting ambiance is a plus.
I know people are probably reticent to give away their secret finds, so I'll give away two of my favorite places in the hopes of spurring dialogue:
Clifton's Cafeteria in downtown. Food is kind of gross and overpriced, but it's amazing for so many reasons: Three levels of spaciousness. You can buy lunch at noon and hang out until close at 7:00 PM. Get a snack in the afternoon whenever you feel like it. Free coffee dispensers on every floor. Bizarre forest theme. Power outlets. Cons: parking is rough and pricy b/c it's downtown. Bathrooms are foul. Lots of stange customers (a plus for me, but maybe a con for others..)
Getty Museum Cafes: Food is good. Views are amazing. You can hang out and write all day and go check out art if you need a break. Parking is free if you're a student. Cons: only outlets I've found are in the research library where you have to be super quiet.
If anyone else has some good spots, I'd love to hear about them. I'm near Melrose/La Brea but locations don't have to be around there. thanks
Sabor Y Cultura in Thai Town has lots of writers (look you're not going to be able to avoid them in this town) but you can be loud, it's air-conditioned, there are plenty of outlets, and the food doesn't suck that bad. The only really bad thing about this place is lack of parking in the immediate vicinity. They give free internet if you buy something.
I hate giving this out, but geez, if you're considering Clifton's...
Farmer's Market at 3rd and Fairfax: the upstairs dining area, above the toy store.
Pros: lots of room to spread out, great coffee and food, cheap parking if you get validated, Barnes and Noble is right over in the Grove if you need reference stuff. They never kick me out before ten.
Cons: hopeless wifi, but that's a plus for me. limited power outlets; bring a powerstrip if you can. Kids can get noisy.
We actually wrote 95% of a screenplay right there- even spread our PostIts out on the biggest table to get the scenes in order.
Lost Souls Cafe downtown is not bad, but it's a little dark for me (literally not enough lighting).
Shim Book Cafe is not bad on Wilshire near Vermont. It's a Korean place that is unabashedly Christian. The food isn't that great though.
The Bourgeois Pig in Hollywood (Franklin between Tamarind and Bronson) fits almost all your basic needs.
Pros: The place is loud enough that you can be loud with it -- most people hang out for long periods -- the tables have outlets (not sure about the wifi situation)
Cons: parking is impossible (I take the DASH) -- when I say it gets loud I mean it gets LOUD esp. after dark -- not much real food on the menu to speak of -- and if you're serious about avoiding other writers, this probably isn't the place to go
5931 Franklin Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90028
Thanks guys. I'm excited to try a lot of these. One thing I think I didn't make clear enough is that I'm looking for alternative to standard "writerly" places because I'm writing with a partner.
I love Lost Souls, Bourgeois Pig, etc. when I'm writing by myself, but start to feel a little self-conscious at places like that when writing with another person.
So the Farmer's Market and Thai town suggestions sound especially awesome. Places with hustle and bustle where you can blend in and not be bothered for long periods of time. Places where you can bat around lots of bad jokes without having to worry about the mustachioed, Castro-hat-wearing hipster giving you disapprovingly looks through his horn-rimmed spectacles one booth over.
Does that make sense? Thanks to everyone who's replied so far.
yep, bibbles the farmer's market would be the place to go.
or how about trying the very egalitarian at times leaning Phillipe's the Original, park in the lot (don't know if they have a time limit), grab a 9cents coffee and a homemade donut or two to get you through to lunch, and then for a late or early lunch get one of their french-dipped sandwiches, a potato salad or some coleslaw, or perhaps a cup of meaty chili, and maybe a slice of pie and you're good to go. you won't feel too self-consious due to all the surrounding commotion although there will be lulls in traffic. don't know why no on has mentioned this place. and it's great to write, at the end of the day, at a historic landwmark.