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California bans trans fat in restaurants

alliebear Jul 25, 2008 04:53 PM


The governor signed the law banning trans fats in restaurants today. "The law, AB 97 by Assemblyman Tony Mendoza (D-Artesia), will ban cooking with artificial trans fats in restaurants by Jan. 1, 2010, and bar their presence in baked goods by Jan. 1, 2011."

I think it's good news. What are your thoughts?

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  1. babette feasts RE: alliebear Jul 25, 2008 09:52 PM

    As long as it's only artificial/manufactured transfats. Transfats occur naturally in butter, without butter, why live?

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      JiyoHappy RE: babette feasts Jul 25, 2008 11:03 PM

      My thoughts exactly
      Will we be allowed to consume butter with our toasts , biscuits and pancakes?

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        Davwud RE: babette feasts Jul 26, 2008 09:19 PM


        Would love to see them do that here in Ontario or all of Canada for that matter.



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          alliebear RE: babette feasts Jul 27, 2008 09:22 PM

          Yes. Only artificial transfats. I completely agree about butter being essential.

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            Chowpatty RE: alliebear Jul 28, 2008 05:42 PM

            I don't think anyone has ever proposed banning butter. I imagine people might not go for that.

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              babette feasts RE: Chowpatty Jul 28, 2008 07:26 PM

              I recall when NYC banned them, there was concern from bakers about not being able to use butter & having to use a substitute in things like croissants. I guess they worked it out?


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                trishyb RE: babette feasts Jul 28, 2008 08:15 PM

                butter is not a trans fat; it is a saturated fat. trans fats are unsaturated fats, like vegetable oil, that have been hydrogenated to give them a solidified consistency and stable shelf life - think margarine or shortening. bakers will still be able to use the old basics like butter and lard, which are saturated, but, natural, animal fats.

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                  babette feasts RE: trishyb Jul 29, 2008 12:45 AM

                  Butter has small amounts of naturally occuring trans fats, hence the initial overreaction when the NY ban went into place.

                  See link, above.

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                    trishyb RE: babette feasts Aug 1, 2008 02:56 PM

                    in ca, the law specifically references synthetic trans fats. the amounts in butter and other animal fats are very small. if you look at the nutrition label on a pound of butter, for example, it will say 0 trans fat, because it falls under the required minimum amount for reporting. everyone here (in ca) is worried about the artificial trans fats that have been linked to heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes, etc.

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                      babette feasts RE: trishyb Aug 4, 2008 08:47 AM

                      Here's to good health!

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                      Robert Lauriston RE: babette feasts Aug 4, 2008 09:24 AM

                      Humans evolved eating the naturally-occurring trans fats in butter and beef, and studies to date don't suggest that they have the same health consequences as artificial trans fats, most of which do not exist in nature.


                      It's bad that the FDA lumps them together on labels, and that when a "serving" contains 0.49 grams of artificial trans fat it can be rounded off to zero. Hence misleading claims such as, "McDonald's is NOW serving 0 grams Trans Fat (per labeled serving)."

          2. dave_c RE: alliebear Jul 29, 2008 04:22 PM

            Artificial transfats.... hmmm.

            How's this effect bakeries that make pies?
            What would you use instead of shortening? Lard? Tallow? Butter?

            What about processed foods stuff shipped into CA?

            It just seems to hurt local, small businesses who have to redevelop their formulas, but big businesses have the money and resources to modify their formulas.

            Will this even benefit the general population where their diets and exercise habits are non-existent? It just seems like a feel-good measure that doesn't address the true causes of obesity, heart disease and diabetes (Type II).

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              moh RE: dave_c Jul 29, 2008 09:53 PM

              "Will this even benefit the general population where their diets and exercise habits are non-existent? It just seems like a feel-good measure that doesn't address the true causes of obesity, heart disease and diabetes (Type II)."

              I'm not sure I agree with the statement that this is just a feel-good measure. There is some pretty strong evidence against transfats. This new law is also a chance to educate the general population about transfat and other health issues.

              I certainly agree that there are many other issues about diet and exercise that need to be addressed. But to say that a transfat ban is an ineffective measure seems a bit extreme.

              I also agree that this law will be a PITA for many smaller businesses, and I am sympathetic.

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              Hue RE: alliebear Jul 30, 2008 01:25 PM

              I read somewhere that "death can be caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over an extendedperiod of time."..George Carlin I believe

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                fara RE: alliebear Aug 1, 2008 09:49 PM

                i see many people here didn't agree with this decision. this is a ubiquitous and unhealthy artificial fat, and it is NOT something that people can choose not to eat in a restaurant. restaurants don't' carry nutritonal labels, processed food does. if the data on HCFS were stronger, they should ban that too.

                1. Robert Lauriston RE: alliebear Aug 3, 2008 10:37 AM

                  Natural substitutes for artificial trans fats in pastry include lard, coconut oil, and palm oil. You can also make pastry with butter or oil, but the texture's different. Artificial substitutes such as the reformulated Crisco are a mix of fully hydrogenated vegetable oil (a waxy substance) and vegetable oil.

                  Switching is not a significant problem or expense for small businesses. Anyplace using Crisco has already switched. Costco's regular deep-fryer mix is $29.86 for 35 pounds; the trans-fat-free version is $30.30.

                  Sure, to avoid obesity etc. people should eat less pie, but artificial trans fats are much worse for you than lard or butter. This topic has some more about that:


                  Before vegetable shortening, pie crust was usually made with lard. Hydrogenation's first commercial application, by William Proctor and James Gamble in 1907, was to turn cottonseed oil into a substitute for lard and tallow (which at the time were monopolized by meat packers) in the manufacture of soap and candles.

                  A few years later it occurred to P&G to market it as a substitute for lard in the kitchen as well, and Crisco was born. After the health issues were discovered in the 1950s, P&G worked hard to suppress and counter the facts, much like the tobacco industry did for smoking. More historical info:


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                    Sandro Tuzzo RE: Robert Lauriston Mar 1, 2010 08:25 PM

                    So I'm still a bit confused. If I were to sell an item that used Crisco in it....would I need to advertise this to customers? The label on Crisco lists "0" for trans fats.

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                      Robert Lauriston RE: Sandro Tuzzo Mar 2, 2010 07:26 AM

                      Like I said, Crisco is now legal. I wouldn't eat it myself. We don't know that fully-hydrogenated fat is healthful, we just don't know that it's unhealthy. Either way, it's totally unappetizing.

                      If the label says 0.5 or less grams per serving, it's legal.

                  2. howlin RE: alliebear Mar 3, 2010 10:32 AM

                    ban everything ,make it all illegal.its obvious people cant make choices for themselves"and the true north strong and free"

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