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Jul 9, 2008 05:01 PM

Are there Hounds out there that hunt and fish?

I've been reading about qualms about boiling live lobster, pulling heads off live shrimp, fear of dead fish, and disdain of handling raw meat and offal. I hunt, fish, dig clams and pick mussels and mushrooms. I'd rather accept the responsibility of killing an animal with the knowledge of what I have done than buy meat wrapped in clear plastic and ignore the pain and suffering animals to which animals are subjected by agribusiness. I respect vegetarians and often cook veggie meals for one of our kids and the rest of us. I don't take poor shots and drop the animal. When the kids were younger, we called deer "happy meat" because it was happy until it died. Organic too. Am I alone in this, does anyone else understand? Take it easy on me, I'm no Konan.

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    1. I fish but do not hunt. I have no problem with people hunting responsibly (ie. not hunting an endangered species, etc.) if they do it for food (it's part of the food chain). I do have issues if they do it purely for sport. In another thread, I wrote about cutting through the head before cooking a lobster. A lot of people were squeamish, but I didn't feel like they were badgering me at all. They were just expressing their fears of it, and I have them as well (even though I still do it). Those responses don't bother me at all. But I do see these responses every so often where some posters take a holier than thou attitude that annoy me, especially as a lot of it is culturally biased. I'm sure lots of Hindus aren't too thrilled with the all-American hamburger. And a lot of these posters aren't even vegetarians. I would understand their feelings more if they were vegetarians. I totally agree with you that if you're going to eat meat, you should be able to accept the responsibility of killing an animal. As I have stated before, I agree with this in theory. But I'll also add that I'm a bit of a wuss and probably would have problems killing my own chicken.

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      1. re: Miss Needle

        My sister and I have talked about this often. This is a very complicated issue. We are animal lovers from childhood, and have had many pets. My sister loves Paul McCartney, who is an avowed animal lover and vegetarian. But she also loves beef. The way I see it is:
        - We are spiritual beings. I feel akin to the American Indian way, which is to honor that which has given its life to sustain yours. After all, isn't it killing something to pull a tomato out of the ground? I know, a cow is a higher form of life, but just when do you draw the line? Can you eat a rock? How do you know how it hurts a tomato? (I know, I'm going overboard, but)...
        I hope someone makes sense of what I'm trying to say.

        1. re: aurora50

          Read Mountain Man by Vardis Fisher. It is the old Jeremiah Johnson, Robert Redford, movie, but better.

          1. re: Passadumkeg

            During a summer 28 years ago when I had a rare chance to get acquainted with an Original American during my sabbatical, the correctness of eating animals and fish was explained in elegance I only wish I had noted more succinctly in my journal.
            But as to the cutting of the ancient redwood forests, his words still resonate hauntingly: " you are tearing out my mother's hair".

      2. Yup.

        Hunting and fishing.

        All 5 kids know where and how meat comes from.

        1 was vegetarian for about 6 months (on moral grounds), the other 4 have no problems eating anything we catch.

        All kids (no gender discrimination in our fam) were taught to shoot, but only 1 of the boys actually likes to hunt.

        Same with fishing, all taught very early, but only 2 of them really enjoy it.

        Neither Mr Goddess or I could be classed as "Konan's", but Mr G was bought up by his Poppie, who used to shoot wabbits during the Depression, to feed his family, and passed on his skills to Mr G, who in turn, has passed them on to all the kids.

        I think that in doing what we've done, we allow our kids to make up their minds about consuming meat. There is DEFINITELY no "meat comes in a cute plastic-wrapped tray" mentality in our home.

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        1. re: purple goddess

          PG, do you mean there is a better way to acquire parsley, in a quantity sufficient to make a batch of chimichurri sauce, than buying an entire cattle, packaged in innumerable "cute plastic-wrapped tray(s) "and culling out the parsley adornments under the plastic wrap? Say it ain't so! Can it be so simple?
          I learn from you every time:)...... Drives me nuts, too.

          1. re: Veggo

            Veggie, my dear... You're not the first man to learn from me ;)

            And back on topic... even the meat I do purchase, I source from farms and such that "ethically slaughter" OR buy from my local butcher.

            No gas-packed, dyed and ultravioleted meat in my 'fridge.

            The pay-off is that sadly, I have to grow my own parsley, and don't get that lovely "I've been stuck on top of a dead chop for 4 weeks" nuance.

            Ahh, the price I pay for having an ethical conscience.

        2. I grew up hunting and fishing. Hunting mostly dove, pheasant, quail, duck, geese, sometimes deer, and wild pig in the Central Valley of California, in the Sierra foothills, and in the Coast Range of California. Fishing was more my cousins' thing when we were growing up (although I loved fishing in the early 60s for black Tilapia in the river that used to run through Kaneohi); now I love fishing (and target shooting with handguns when I'm in the US), but hunt less. We used to fish for trout in the Sierras and later stripers in the Delta region. I love deep sea fishing--off of Malinde on the Kenyan coast, off of Bali. I've fished in the Amazon, in East Timor, Providencia (Colombian Island off of Nicaragua); and now fish (catch and release) with my daughter on weekends out on the research station for black tilapia. We always prepared (i.e., plucked, skinned, gutted, scaled, picked out shot, bled, filleted, butchered and what not) and ate all we shot or fished.

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          1. re: Sam Fujisaka

            good point, that I failed to make, Sam...

            All out hunting and fishing is done for the table, NOT for sport. We closely observe bag limits (cos WHEN not IF, the Fisheries and Wildlife Dept board your boat and you're over they WILL confiscate your catch.. and maybe your boat).

            Same when we hunt (mostly for roo, bunnies and pig)

            No heads up on walls at Castel Della Poiple, but plenty of full tummies.

            1. re: Sam Fujisaka

              I used to hunt dove in New Mexico in the 70's. I wouldn't do it now, just too much murder for too little meat. But boy, dove breast sure is delicious.

              1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                I also grew up hunting. First for rabbit (hare and cotton tail) and grouse then deer and moose. Alas my time constraints limit my jaunts in the forest.

                We never really thought about hunting for sport - the hunt itself can be thrilling - and it was eat what we shot. (Hunting with my nephew years back, we accidently shot a wren while duck hunting. Wren tastes like chicken with less meat)
                What many people don't realize is that hunting can also be very frustrating and mundane when game is scarce.
                I also think many people feel its an unfair advantage pitting say a rifle against a deer. I have been outwitted by game many times, it ain't 'like shooting fish in a barrel'.
                Sam, I always wanted to eat wild pig. I've eaten 'wild boar' on occasion, but thought it an oxymoron as its farm-raised.
                Whats it like? I'm guessing a gamey version of pork?

                1. re: porker

                  "Gamey" to some degree, but also much more flavor than domestic--even sweeter depending on diet. Leaner, so care has to be taken not to overcook and dry out the meat.

              2. A year or two ago, my 14-year-old daughter became very concerned about the ethics of being an omnivore. She's as tender-hearted an animal lover as they come, but also enjoys eating meat. And she refuses to cop out and pretend that the plastic-wrapped slabs of protein in the butcher case are something other than pieces of dead animals.

                She went vegetarian for a while. Then she got her hunting license. The hunter's safety course addressed a lot of her ethical qualms, talking about how hunting is an effective wildlife management tool that prevents the excess capacity of the quarry populations from succumbing to other pressures like starvation. But it won't ever be easy for her to kill an animal for food. As far as I'm concerned, that's the way it should be.

                She eats all types of meat now, including the stuff she puts on the table. But only if it was raised and dispatched humanely. No commodity beef or battery-farmed poultry. And no wasted game. She's been a good influence on the whole family, and I'm proud of her.

                Speaking of which, there are a couple of pheasant in the freezer that need to be defrosted. Mind the birdshot...