how many Chowhounds are professional writers?
(i know there's the thread, "What do Chowhounds do for a living," but i didn't want to sift through all 708 responses.)
just curious. part of the reason i love this site has nothing to do with food, but how you write about it. some of you are so, like, eloquent.
i'm mildly jealous and also curious. how many of you get paid to write? how many of you are working on the next bestseller in your spare (or full) time?
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I write copy and translate text from French to English. I also write poetry when I'm poor enough or a relationship has failed. Can't understand why I get paid more for the former than the latter. Then again that may be a key to me understanding why my life has been the way it's been. Hmmm ... (mutter mutter) ...
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I'm a lawyer who is paid to write legal briefs, motions, appeals, etc. I used to be a high school English teacher. I write on the Chowhound boards because it is fun, and what other people write is interesting. I have learned so much from these boards. For me, cooking is a passion and writing a vocation.
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I work for non-profits most of the time and write newsletters, articles, speeches, etc. I also have a part-time job as a free-lance writer for small weekly newspaper. If I were more organized would have blog or at least be writing stories for my family, since they are an unending source of comedy.
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I had a joke published in Boy's Life! An article in Middle School Journal. A letter to the editor in Norwegian in Oslo's Aftenposten protesting the government's price increase of beer. I used to write for a small Maine island monthly newspaper. I am active on poets against the war.org, keep a poetry journal and sporadically work on the ubiquitous Viet Nam novel, more cathartic than good. My mom was an English teacher and used to tear my stuff apart, so I find writing difficult. And due to a VN injury, typing is tough too.
But most importantly, I teach English and every single writing assignment, poetry, prose, essay or term paper, I write the assignment as well as a way of modeling. It's a lot of work, but I feel it is a very effective method to demonstrate not only style but my commitment to the writing process as well. etc., etc. etc.
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Count me in and thank goodness because I'm boring as hell when I talk. For some reason my most creative thoughts just flow out of the keyboard. Maybe it's that split-second where I can hone and edit my thoughts. I wear out a whole lot of "Backspace" keys.
Most of my writing is done in a corporate environment which is excruciating. I've done the instructional design thing, the proposal writing, marketing communications, multimedia junk, white papers and so on. My favorite writing job was doing TV sports news for the local ABC affiliate but I had to go and ruin that by choosing the conventional nature and security of a corporate job. Blech.
I really appreciate the existence of Chowhound as a great creative outlet and I'll echo the appreciation others have stated for all of the really creative and brilliant folks on here. Although I do miss cabrales from the old days...talk about someone who loved to write!
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First time I ever got paid for my writing was back in my college days when I sold a joke to Joan Rivers. And no, I'm not going to tell it to you, because I signed a long, fine-print contract saying the joke was hers now. Got a whopping $10 for it. (And no, I've never heard her say it.) :-)
These days I do some playwrighting on the side, and I've been paid for a couple of the plays I've written.
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Another academic here. I write mostly about Polish and Russian literature and literary theory, primarily for an academic audience, but occasionally I write introductions to popular editions of literary works.
I have something of a fascination for recipes that appear in literary texts that are not about food, but I haven't gotten around to publishing anything on that topic.
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Hi:
We've left this thread up, as we did the one on "What do Chowhounds do for a living", because it is of interest to posters, but general discussions about freelance writing and other kinds of writing are really just too far afield for Chowhound, and we've removed them. Please keep the replies responsive to the OP's question, so that we don't have to remove other digressions.
Thanks.
Happy Fourth of July to all who celebrate it!
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I am a full time freelance writer and editor based in Tokyo, for years I wrote a food column in the IHT-Asahi Shimbun, and I worked for a year as an editor in a really screwed up publishing house in Tokyo. I don't think freelance writing was ever a lucrative gig but things seem especially tough in Tokyo these days. Just hanging on now trying to build more TV news and specials work to keep a roof over my head.
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I worked as a graphic artist/designer, and used to write and edit newsletters for my neighborhood organization and my Alfa Romeo club. Then we moved to SoCal, and while I was looking for work (mostly in vain) I expended the bulk of my writing urges on these boards, plus a Creative Writing course at PCC that was pretty much fun... Anyway, when I found myself eligible for Social Security benefits, which as it happened paid exactly what I'd been making at my last job, I said, Okay, I'm retired. And then some friends bought a bookstore that had among its properties a monthly magazine, called The Automotive Calendar of Events. And since we had recently done a car deal, and they knew I did design work and desktop publishing, they asked me to re-design the thing (which it very badly needed), and to consider publishing it. At this point I mentioned that I can write fairly well, and am a very good editor (at least of other people's stuff!), and they were SO happy to hear that because neither of them particularly likes to do either of those things, at least not on deadline. So all of a sudden I wasn't really retired anymore, and as far as the Motor Press Guild is concerned I am in fact a professional writer! And just to tie everything up together, that picture I use as my avatar is the one I laminated onto my MPG Press card...
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I publish a community newspaper and a couple of annual magazines - so I'm a writer in the sense that I'm also editor / designer / layout person and the one who makes coffee. Oddly enough, my articles sail through the editorial process and EVERY ONE of my submissions makes it into the final cut... Can't figure out why that keeps happening! Does it pay? Yes... Enough? No... Does anything we really enjoy really pay? Probably not... :)
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I too, spent many years writing and editing for various publishers. We produced mostly technical publications, but occasionally we would deal with the small time authors trying to get their point across. I love food and love to read about it. I've enjoyed many of you and how articulate you can be when discussing my favorite subject. I spent several years writing menus for a publisher and I absolutely loved it. I learned alot about food from that job.
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Started out as a political speechwriter but now I'm a Training Manager/Consultant in the restaurant industry. I get paid to write presentations, training and operations materials, all of which are super exciting! I've also had several articles published on issues that are of interest to the franchise and food industries. Working on a book in my spare time.
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I was trained as an executive secretary at Katharine Gibbs back in the late 1970s, but my mother and both grandmothers were English/Speech teachers. So I grew up knowing (and being corrected until I knew!) how to speak/write properly. One of my roles in my current company is as final proofreader for proposals, presentations, and the like.
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i have a bfa in creative writing & worked in an editorial/proofing capacity for a literary publisher, which along with my time in music conservatory, prepared me well to be a bartender for 10 years. a few years back i destroyed several manuscripts and thought that i'd be able to have a normal life. unfortunately i now work in a kitchen. i have to write menus and recipes and correspondence and f*&k-all, and before i knew what i was doing i started doing outlines & text for cookbooks. argh. now i will eventually have to finish these, or torch my server. i like chowhound because the average poster has read more than five books and it shows. i'd like to write a novel based on real life in hospitality work, cooking & agriculture ( but i think i will need to have several more folks on payroll before i commit to it).
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I started my professional life as a journalist for a daily newspaper and then segued into a PR/graphic arts position in which I wrote an awful lot of newsletters, press releases and promotional material. I also spent a couple years writing a newsletter for a small but thoroughly lovely wine shop, which sadly closed due to an embezzlement issue on the part of one of the owners ... I miss that place.
I now work in IT and get to write/update technical manuals a couple times a year (zzzz, but it pays the bills better than anything I've done so far).
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Where's "Passa-man" when we need him? I speak of Marco 'The Explorer" dumkeg. This literary garage sale on wheels is quite well-read and must have written stuff...
Me, I've written technical stuff and been paid to do it. I wrote my company's employee handbook and many technical and procedural documents. I've written for seminars I've done, essentially gratis (airfare and accommodations paid for).
I've lived with a published, short-story writer...and sat in on, and cooked for, her writer's group's meetings.
There is a big difference in being published and being a professional writer. I find writing here a pleasurable outlet. As I've said,"I wished I could get paid to do this", meaning reviews of restaurants. As an artist, I see writing as another art form where there are too many people willing to do it for free. Some good, some "not so much"!›4 Replies -
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1. I once wrote Operating Instructions (OI) for the military.
1A. Operating Instructions (OI) were to be written clearly and consicely at a reading level commensurate with applicable standards.
1B. Operating Instructions (OI) were to be written as a supplement to standard regulations, containing guidance and instruction as related to the local implementation of such regulations.
2. In order to write acceptable Operating Instructions, the author must be thouroughly familiar with all requirements as set forth in applicable directives, as well as familiar with local conditions, available resources, manpower requirements, and local vulnerabilities.
3. Does this count?
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re: hannaone
Oh god.. I pity you. I often (when times are good) right proposals for sizeable IT Projects... or respond to RFPs... sometimes from Government entities... the formats are a pain in the culo.
Other times I am writing up Process Re-enginnering & Solution type documents.. much more fun... especially because I get to monkey around with Visio Flowcharts etc.,... but it all gets boring which is why I come bs on CH!
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Nah not me...this is just my cooking diary and journal. A place where my make believe friends humor me and tell me how pretty my food looks or how delicious the recipe. I am so needy.
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Macroeconomic analysis; the most dismal of sciences. Cathartic and lesser-paying relief is The Washington Post Style Invitational, and here. Once in Time Magazine. I enjoy "Bad Hemingway" competitions, which are fiercely competitive, (and pay), but I have not been bad enough to win a major.
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I'm a freelance journalist, focusing on food issues. A relatively new change in careers, so I'm by no means an expert at this stage!
Funny thing is, writing about food is the easy - and fun - part. Selling your ideas (no, even the good ones don't sell themselves!), networking, finding sympathetic editors who actually return emails, dealing with loneliness and getting paid enough to live on (let alone travel and eat out on) are problematic, however.
And in terms of envy, I feel it too. When I read a great article I wish I'd written, and even when I read good stuff I KNOW I couldn't have written! Just because I can write about food sadly doesn't mean I can write plays or fiction. Much like I wouldn't go to a proctologist for neurosurgery. Well, not unless I had a strange sense of humour and a death wish....
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I am not a professional writer, yet I have written many different things since I was a child. From short stories, speeches for my DH to deliver, a weekly column (that also was supposed to be written by the DH), puppet scripts for children's theater, poetry, special prayers, inspirational articles, and I have started a novel, but don't know when I will ever finish it. I also have to occasionally write copy for the Advertising firm I freelance with. My co worker won't send a letter to anyone if I don't write it for her. I can communicate with the written word in a way I could never do actually talking to someone. If you sat down with me face-to-face, you might think I was a blithering idiot. LOL! My family always dreads it when I write them letters, which I only do when I am really concerned about certain situations, or to get my point across. They say that the letters cut through all the crap, and that makes them uncomfortable, but they DO get the point far better than they do when I just talk to them! I have yet to be paid to write, but I can dream . . . sigh!
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Mostly I write for my own enjoyment, and have also written for publication. I wrote the text for several courses I taught because I did not like the available textbooks OR there were no texts that addressed what I wanted my students to know.
What I like best is to write for pure joy and have that picked up because someone else likes my work.
NB: it is mainly, but not exclusively, food-related. I hate hate hate to write a formal recipe because no matter how carefully it is tested, no matter how precisely it is written, there will always be "kitchen knowledge" required for best execution. "Glugs" "pinches" "dollops" "a bit" are my terms and make some editors nervous. My food-writing is story-telling with loose recipe suggestions and a lot of humor. -
I'm a freelance technical writer who writes about computer software. But you couldn't tell that I'm a "professional" writer by my misspelled, ungramatical, sloppy posts on chowhound.
Glencora is so right - writing well takes time and energy. It's like when I worked as a janitor - I never cleaned my house. Now that I'm paid to write clearly, I rarely do it on my own time. And when I post on chowhound, I'm usually taking a break because of writer's block, so the verbal side of my brain isn't firing on all cylinders.
I also do user-interface analysis for web sites and online applications. (The Chowhound Team & Engineering can probably tell that by my cranky posts about interface problems and inconsistencies - meant only in love and support, dear chow staff! :-)
Anne
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re: Sharuf
Sharuf, we're almost mirror images of each other. I'm "a writer who can program." (Or, more accurately, "a writer who used to be able to program" - it has been a long time since I wrote any real code...). But the reverse is better - a programmer who can write is a true treasure!
Me, I started out getting a computer science degree, but drifted into tech writing because I had more fun doing the comments than writing the code. But I do remember spending lots of time on my "lunch" program - it would suggest places to go, at random, based on my lovingly-created restaurant database. (This was long before chowhound and citysearch and the like...)
Anne
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re: AnneInMpls
Anne, I keep imagining that this or that fellow diner is you, because our tastes and preferences so often coincide, because you too often seem to be grabbing lunch here and there, and we run in so many of the same routes (ruts, perhaps). And now I find out that you too are a technical writer in the Twin Cities. I'm absolutely certain now that our paths have crossed.
Although I've been doing much more instructional design than technical writing, lately.
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Everyone has a talent and mine is the ability to communicate with highly technically gifted scientists and engineers (what some would call extreme nerds), extract relevant information about their work and write marketing materials. I attribute my success to years of folkdancing at MIT. ;-)
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Folkdancing at MIT, you say. Then my wife almost certainly knows you.
This fall will mark 10 years of me making a living solely as a freelance writer. Not necessarily a good living, mind, but then, most of my job consists of sitting around the house listening to records, so obviously there are benefits beyond the paychecks.
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re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps
Best way to keep the mind sharp is Balkan dancing!
The problem with being a writer is everybody thinks, in a pinch, it's something they can do. Therefore a project manager will cut a writer from their team and dash something off themselves. It's not as good as a professional would do but they've got a budget to meet.
I enjoy many chowhound posts for the pure musicality of the prose. Certain words I've read here have become part of my lexicon; most notably "quibble" from our dear limster.
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Yeah, that's what Allstonian says too: that so many MIT folks become Balkan/English country/Morris dancers because it's all about patterns. So I assume you do Balkan music night in Concord. (Which, to tie into the food aspect of things, REALLY could use an upgrade in its eats!)
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re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps
Nine years ago, World Music did a concert of gypsy music which featured singers/musicians from all over Europe. Afterwards, someone invited them to the same hall where Balkan Night is held. The gypsies played from the middle of the floor and everyone danced around them. I had my son in a BabyBjorn and took him up to one of the violinists and the guy played facing him and it was awesome to see the baby mesmerized by the music.
Awesome to do some Balkan to those guys.
And the food was really good. Someone organized a catered buffet and it was the first time I ate well at a dance.
Ah, memories.
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re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps
I truly envy (and respect) you. I worked as a full-time freelance writer for a few periods in my life, though I headed back to a full-time job whenever my COBRA eligibility drew to a close. It's a tough, tough road to try to get people to pay you for your writing. Cheers, and congratulations!
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I'm in high tech business development, and part of my job is writing articles for trade journals and papers that I present at technical conferences, so in that sense I'm a professional writer, though probably not of the sort that you meant. But still, having to write for publication probably does make me more practiced at it, and more experienced in self-editing, than someone who only types e-mails to friends.
Then again, it could be a chicken and egg thing - I have the job I have in part because I learned long ago how to write, and it's served me well in my career. I spent years as a technical writer when I was first starting out in the business.
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Scientist: we have to write quite a bit. It all has to be declarative sentences, concise, no repitition, as straightforward as possible.
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re: Veggo
maria lorraine, you just said what I was thinking about adding. Its the contrast between work writing and CH writing that I enjoy. CH lets me ramble on like the old jackass that I am, has let me express opinions and experiences that are just my own for whatever they';re worth, and has given me instant feedback and discourse from all other hounds--so much more fun than waiting for journal editors, peer reviews, making revisions, and the like until eventual publication and the debates and discussions that ensue. Veggo, as you can imagine, I am as we speak raising a toast to you--a Chilean Cab in this case!
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re: maria lorraine
Sam's playfulness is a sure sign he's a good scientist. There is a very high correlation between playfulness, creativity, and intelligence. I've known more than my share of scientists in my lifetime in all sorts of disciplines, ranging from astronomy to zoology, and every last one of them is "playful." Some more than others. Ever seen a Richard Feynman lecture? His playfulness makes quantum mechanics sing! Sam, keep up the good work.
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re: Caroline1
Totally agree with about playfulness and creativity and discovery. And I love that you brought up quantum mechanics, one of my favorite subjects. And Richard "Final Theory" Feynman? Wonderful! Love the guy! Bring on the cosmologists!
One tweak: The contrast being made was between Sam's dry, scientific writing and his playful writing here. No one could ever refer to Sam's manner of thinking to be dry! Quite the contrary.
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I'm the author of a book of creative nonfiction (gardening), and I've published short stories and nonfiction. (None of this has brought in much in the way of $) And, yes, I'm working on a novel. Or should be. It's awfully hard in the summer with the kid home from school.
Writing well about food takes a special talent. I'm not good at it, or maybe I just don't bother. I've been known to spend an entire morning trying to describe wisteria, so I'm not going to spend too much time writing about dinner. However, I do admire others on this site who have the talent and make the effort.
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I write for corporate America, which is not fun. I also have a blog but nobody really reads it because it's on Live Journal and not that many people are on there. It's also not JUST about food, in fact, only occasionally is it about food.
I haven't had any freelance writing work in years, it's very difficult to get gigs anymore.
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re: rockandroller1
Blame intern mania...we have 30 unpaid interns and 1 full-time writer for the six or so publications here. Why pay for copy when people are falling all over themselves to write it for free?
To keep it food-related, I did once interview at a food/wine (not Food + Wine) publication for an associate editor position. At the interview, I learned that the "editor" position was 80% data entry, 20% setting up food and liquor for panel tastings. No writing or editing. Publishing is a weird, sad place.
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re: merrymc
Well, the quality isn't always there with the interns but I do think there are too many decent writers out there either writing for free ("to get published/to get the publicity") or for peanuts in terms of money. It's up to the writers themselves to think enough of their own work that they won't deliver their services for free, even if that means not working as much. Hence me working in corporate America instead of writing for magazines or something full-time.
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