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Difference between a chowhound and food snob

Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 06:40 AM

What would the difference be in your estimation?

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  1. Monch RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 06:51 AM

    This is the start of a good thread and I'm going to weigh in before I weigh in on the "I'm better/Insult you" thread.

    Snob: Has a lot of food knowledge and derives pleasure from PROVING it to others.

    Hound: Has a lot of food knowledge and derives pleasure from SHARING with others...to everyone's benefit...Win/win.

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      Zengarden RE: Monch Jun 28, 2008 06:52 AM

      I really like where you're coming from. Good on you! Hope to hear from more CHers.

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        Cachetes RE: Monch Jun 28, 2008 06:57 AM


        I am a bit fearful of weighing b/c I am so new to Chowhound. But, from what I've seen here, a chowhound likes to discuss food. A food snob likes to discuss himself/herself under the guise of food.

      2. r
        RicRios RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 02:17 PM

        The FS looks for the show.
        The CH looks for the chow.

        1. hill food RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 02:30 PM

          pet analogy.

          FS wants a pedigree breed to enjoy.

          CH is just as happy with a cool mutt (but purebreds are good too).

          1. jfood RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 02:52 PM

            Jfood will go out to dinner and enjoy a meal with a Chowhound.

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              chipman RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 02:54 PM

              Unfortunately from where I stand, with some exceptions there does not seem to be much difference. There is a lot of good info on this message board, however there is way too much bad info, more then enough pretension, and way too many hangers on just wanting to know what restaurant to go to , and amazingly what to order when they are told where to go.

              Just by asking the question you are implying there is a difference and that somehow a "chowhound" is somehow better than a so-called foodie. You are the one using the word snob. Some people would call a Chowhounder a snob also. What's that line about the Emperor having no clothes?

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              1. re: chipman
                Zengarden RE: chipman Jun 28, 2008 03:06 PM

                I see where you are coming from but I tend to agree with the poster who said that the distinction comes from what one does with the information. Does one use it to share and educate or does one use it to demonstrate how superior he or she is?

                I always assumed that a foodie and a chowhound were one and the same but a food snob is dogmatic about food.

                1. re: Zengarden
                  chipman RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 03:42 PM

                  I can live with your definition, but I've also seen where the term 'foodie' was used derisively compared to chowhound. Oh well, I guess it's just semantics. I think I'll go to dinner. Does anyone have any suggestions?

                  1. re: Zengarden
                    whs RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 03:56 PM

                    and a chowhound is by nature a snob...I'm sure somebody has written a haiku about this.

                    1. re: Zengarden
                      Mr Taster RE: Zengarden Jul 1, 2008 10:10 AM

                      Hi Zengarden... I see you've started posting after the "new" CNET Chowhound was active. The old chowhound.com had a huge front-and-center manifesto that you had to click through before entering the boards, and this manifesto clearly defined "foodie" vs. "chowhound" (as envisioned by the site's creator, Jim Leff)

                      Courtesy of the Wayback Machine, here's chowhound.com from May 10, 2000. Note 2nd paragraph:

                      There is a "new" manifesto, brought back by popular demand, but it is all but invisible, relegated to tiny little letters at the bottom of the page. Also, this manifesto has been snipped of a lot of it's gusto and color, no doubt a victim of CNET's corporate sanitizing.

                      For an in depth discussion on the differences between the old and new manifestos, click here:

                      Mr Taster

                    2. re: chipman
                      Dave MP RE: chipman Jun 30, 2008 07:22 PM

                      When I tell someone on chowhound to "order the pork chop" at Restaurant X, I am doing so because I really really liked the pork chop there and I want others to enjoy the same experience I enjoyed.

                      Similarly, when I ask for suggestions about what to order at a restaurant, I'm looking for ideas from other chowhounds about experiences they have enjoyed. Most chowhounds I have met (and I've met many) share a passion for food that other people don't have (including posters on other sites, or even newspaper reviewers.) So I take these recommendations seriously. When I read a post that sounds snobby, I ignore it and move on.

                      1. re: chipman
                        ML8000 RE: chipman Jul 2, 2008 12:00 PM

                        You're right, you can be a food snob and a CH. They aren't mutually exclusive.

                        As for a definition, a snob seeks a bit of status and one-upsmanship or a special feeling through their endeavor...be it food or what not. Given everyone has to eat and not everyone has to collect 19th century ink fountains...food snobbery gets more attention.

                        If however you need a base line: snobs tend not to have much fun regardless of where they're at, too busy being critical. CHs (or plain old gluttons as I prefer) are there for the tastiness, lust for food/fun/gluttony and will have fun in process.

                      2. j
                        jlafler RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 03:12 PM

                        Bear in mind, though, that simply calling oneself (or other people) one or the other term doesn't make it so.

                        1. roxlet RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 03:46 PM

                          The difference between a chowhound and a food snob is in your perception. The snob thinks he's a hound!

                          1. j
                            jlafler RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 07:55 PM

                            I finally figured out what bothers me about this discussion, and other similar ones on Chowhound: the assumption that people can be accurately sorted into easily distinguishable types. Sometimes I act like a food snob; I'm sure that some of my friends and acquaintances think I'm a food snob. Does that mean that I AM a food snob at some essential level? Well, it's certainly not something I aspire to.

                            Behavior is complex. People are complex. And people change, both over time and according to context. The same person might be a "food snob" at certain times and places, and a "chowhound" at others. We're never going to say "okay, everybody on this side of the line is a chowhound, and those people over there are foodies or food snobs, and we all agree on where the line is and who is on which side of it." But discussions like this one seem to run on the assumption that it's possible and even desirable to do so.

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                              vvvindaloo RE: jlafler Jun 28, 2008 08:01 PM

                              You've hit the nail on the head, j. And described exactly why I can't quite formulate a good response to this thread, either.

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                                cimui RE: jlafler Jun 29, 2008 07:46 AM

                                Yes--my thoughts, exactly. Thanks for formulating it so articulately.

                                I just understand a Chowhound to be someone who uses this board enough to share a sense of common experience with others on this board and thus are part of the 'Chowhound community'.

                                1. re: jlafler
                                  lgphil RE: jlafler Jun 30, 2008 10:39 AM

                                  Exactly. By the definitions above, there are only about 2 people on this board who would always fit into the chowhound line. And about 2000 who would think they did.

                                  Just logging on to this board show a little snobbishness. We all do it, we all have it. Embrace your inner snob and have some fun.

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                                    hill food RE: lgphil Jun 30, 2008 11:58 AM

                                    well, said. but I would add, try to be a little gracious, forgiving and non-fussy about it. and above all laugh at yourself (before others beat you to it).

                                2. meatn3 RE: Zengarden Jun 28, 2008 10:46 PM

                                  The old saying is still true for me:
                                  "I don't care what you call me, just make sure you call me for dinner!"

                                  I find labels limiting and they can create larger preconceptions which get in the way of true exchange. I realize a label can be a handy "speed dating" type way to give a synopsis, but I much prefer a slower get to know you process. I rather like peeling the onion and discovering all the layers...

                                  So when I am asked if I'm a foodie, etc. I generally explain that I am a very enthusiastic eater!

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                                    Zengarden RE: meatn3 Jun 29, 2008 03:38 AM

                                    Hurray for that! It's all about the food!

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                                      HungryRubia RE: meatn3 Jun 30, 2008 12:03 PM

                                      I too am uncomfortable with the term foodie. I am very enthusiastic about food, but don't consider myself a food snob. I agree with opinions given above about how a snob will lord his or her knowledge about food over others.
                                      I try to stay away from the labels period because they mean different things to different people....but if seeking out delicious food regardless of it's sophistication or pedigree is being a food snob...then I am guilty as charged!

                                    2. scubadoo97 RE: Zengarden Jun 30, 2008 06:28 PM

                                      Not sure cause I consider my self a hound/foodie/food lover and home cook but my wife thinks I'm a food snob, cigar snob, whisky snob.......you get the picture.

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                                        HungryRubia RE: scubadoo97 Jul 2, 2008 06:21 AM

                                        Being married to a fellow food lover who also happens to be a HUGE cigar afficionado too. So I am curious about your views on cigars. Mr. HR hates being called a cigar snob because he equates it with people who have no knowledge of cigars and will only smoke a cigar that's expensive or one with a "name" and ignore other cigars that are less pricey but sometimes much higher in quality...just curious about your thoughts on that.

                                        1. re: HungryRubia
                                          scubadoo97 RE: HungryRubia Jul 3, 2008 02:42 PM

                                          I can tell you that price is not an indicator or quality. I have a love of cigars from one particular country but again price is not the indicator I look for. I smoke what I call "pedestrian" cigars and leave the Limited Edition-hype cigars for the others to enjoy. I find the more I pay the less my expectations are met. A $12 cigar doesn't taste twice as good as a $6 cigar. Sometimes it's worse. To be certain, there is a lot of hype in the cigar industry.

                                          1. re: scubadoo97
                                            Passadumkeg RE: scubadoo97 Jul 3, 2008 05:55 PM

                                            In Costa Rica I bought a bundle of excellent cigars very cheaply in the open air mercado and could not afford the ones sold at the airport. Used to get Cuban cheaply in Bolivia and send them back to Dad & Bro w/ a customs declaration that stated the illegal Cubanos were "poker accessories"! they always got through. What a great smoke they were. Sigh.

                                            1. re: Passadumkeg
                                              LindaWhit RE: Passadumkeg Jul 4, 2008 02:21 PM

                                              a customs declaration that stated the illegal Cubanos were "poker accessories"! they always got through.
                                              LOL! Well, you *were* being truthful! ;-) (I assume, however, that the packages were never opened by Customs.)

                                      2. bigjeff RE: Zengarden Jun 30, 2008 08:52 PM

                                        this currently raging thread basically devolved into the OPs question.


                                        1. applehome RE: Zengarden Jun 30, 2008 10:31 PM

                                          So what's driving all this foodie vs. hound vs. snob vs. better hound discussion here lately - we've had at least 3 of these (not counting the purposefully started manifesto discussion) - all connected in one way or another.

                                          Do we have a bunch of revolting newbies? (Sire, sire, the peasants are revolting! Revolting! I think they're disgusting!) Did we get published in something and referenced in such a manner that people feel free to come here and deride our goings-on? Is there some other site that functions so much better than we do without any of this disrespectful and acrimonious irony? Why are we, a) losing the well-grounded posters, and/or b) attracting the food neurotics?

                                          Is this some sort of annual beating ourselves up ritual we must endure that goes along with the authenticity debates?

                                          Let me make some suggestions:

                                          1) Concentrate on what we're here for. It's the food, stupid. Just what is all this foodie vs. hound vs. snob vs. better hound discussion teaching anybody? Let me tell you all a big secret: People are different. Wow.

                                          2) There used to be a difference between a Soap Opera and Chowound.com. Let's get back to being a food site. If you really, really like these discussions about what to label people, and how not to treat people, please go watch a Soap Opera and get your fill, and then come here for some good advice and discussion on food.

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                                          1. re: applehome
                                            grayelf RE: applehome Jul 1, 2008 12:05 AM

                                            I was wondering about this mini-proliferation myself but then again this particular board is called Not About Food... there have been a lot of answers so I guess it is a topic that is deemed worth discussing.

                                            FWIW most people I know would say a food snob is someone who uses food interests and knowledge against the rest of the world, and a chowhound is someone who likes to eat a lot (maybe too much). None of my friends know that there is a site-specific, proper noun definition of Chowhound.

                                          2. Passadumkeg RE: Zengarden Jul 1, 2008 03:10 AM

                                            Might the difference lie in the perceived knowledge one has about a particular food or cuisine? I consider myself a New Mexican food snob, but a Mexican food chow hound. I know New Mexican food intimately through in-laws and know what is good, but Mexican food in general, is so diverse and I traveled Mexico extensively so long ago, that I want to learn more and seek out others for more info.
                                            The same goes for chowder and New England food, in general. I know chowders, but am still trying to learn (and like!) New England cuisine. Now to my fish cakes and beans for breakfast, Cappy.(But dontcha go eatin' the junk in cans!)
                                            "If I'm absolutely sure about anything, I've forgotten what it was."
                                            Tom Paxton

                                            1. Caroline1 RE: Zengarden Jul 1, 2008 03:53 AM

                                              About the simplest way I can put it is that a food snob is an excluder ("What! You've *never* had rognons brochette a l'espagnole?" Rolls eyes) and a chowhound is an includer ("Hi, Maureen. Any chance you and Joe can join us tomorrow night? I've found this really old French recipe for kidney kabobs I'm dying to try, but just in case none of us like them, there will be plenty of steak kabob too.") To transpose a dictum from real estate, "Attitude, attitude, attitude!" '-)

                                              EDIT: Oh, and in a true food snob, the attitude is inflexible.

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                                                hill food RE: Caroline1 Jul 1, 2008 08:26 PM

                                                maybe we should just embrace the title of snob and say @$#% it. nobody else seems to want rognon anyway. more for us, they could play along if they weren't touchy freaks.

                                                sad, but if one can't get over the idea of organ meat, well, take your ball and go home. we'll just inflate a bladder (gotta tie off the ends and save the duodonem for, ummm...) and play with that.

                                                1. re: Caroline1
                                                  RicRios RE: Caroline1 Jul 1, 2008 08:58 PM

                                                  (Off topic...)

                                                  "rognons brochette a l'espagnole"

                                                  Hmm, let me see:
                                                  marinated, then grilled?
                                                  How you marinate the kidneys?
                                                  Veal, cow, pig?

                                                  1. re: RicRios
                                                    hill food RE: RicRios Jul 1, 2008 11:45 PM

                                                    you're not off topic. maybe score first.

                                                    "Veal, cow, pig?"

                                                    does it matter? use plenty of olive oil and judge by taste and grilling time. (I'd give the pig a little longer). if bloody, soak in saltwater first (which works for many things like chicken or eggplant)

                                                    1. re: hill food
                                                      Eastcoast foods nob RE: hill food Jul 2, 2008 12:07 AM

                                                      As a self described Eastcaost foods nob I take offense to comments about food snobs. Even though I made an effort to call myself foods nob because I think the name has bad connotation no matter what I am a food snob/hound/fan/critic/lover/hater because i am passionate about food. To layman all you hounds sound like snobs and snobs sound like critics without merit to restaurants. So who care what other people call us but only thing that matters is that we are all passionate about food.

                                                    2. re: RicRios
                                                      Caroline1 RE: RicRios Jul 2, 2008 03:47 AM

                                                      Escoffier says:

                                                      Prepare* mutton or lamb kidneys, cut into halves without dividing them; stick them two or four at a time on a skewer;season them, and grill them in a somewhat hot oven. Place them, after removing the skewers, upon a hot dish and put into the cavity of each a piece of softened Matre-d-hotel butter the size of a hazel nut.

                                                      Page 455, The Escoffier Cook Book

                                                      * The kidneys are prepared by "clearing" (peeling?) them of their outer skin, then cutting in half, presumably like a hamburger bun without completely severing the two halves. No mention is made of soaking them to clear out any uric acid, but that may be presumed. Some of Escoffier's (as well as Careme's) recipes are amazingly simple and not at all what most would expect, based on their reputations.

                                                      The dilemma here comes from Escoffier himself. In his recipe for buerre maitre d' hotel, he maniers (combines with equal parts of flour) the butter before adding the standard minced parsley, lemon juice, salt and pepper. His is the only recipe I can recall that combines the butter with flour first. I'm wondering if the uncooked flour in his recipe somehow tames the flavor of the kidneys if they are not soaked to reduce/remove the uric acid? I would probably soak the kidneys and leave out the flour... But I'm scared to death to price in today's market. Last time I bought them, I think they were 60 cents a pound.

                                                      1. re: Caroline1
                                                        Caroline1 RE: Caroline1 Jul 2, 2008 04:00 AM

                                                        Sheesh. Out of morbid curiosity I Googled the web for lamb kidneys for sale. These are the only ones I could find: http://tinyurl.com/58puyt That's just under $2.75 per kidney! I want time travel. I want to earn now and shop then!

                                                        1. re: Caroline1
                                                          Will Owen RE: Caroline1 Jul 2, 2008 11:40 AM

                                                          You need to move to someplace that has a lot of Armenians! There are at least two markets a few blocks from me that always have lamb kidneys, liver, hearts, tongues...

                                                          Last time I was accused of being a Food Snob was when I was seeing a nutritionist that someone had recommended, and all the breads on her list of recommended foods were supermarket brands. I asked politely about the stuff I might get from, say, Trader Joe's, and she said, "Oh, you're a food snob, right?" Yeah, well, if that's all it takes...but I don't think so. I'm a food ENTHUSIAST, if you need a label, and if I'm eating Tripes Proven├žale it's not to show off, but because I love that stuff so much I could put it in my pants. So there.

                                                          1. re: Will Owen
                                                            Miss Needle RE: Will Owen Jul 2, 2008 12:02 PM

                                                            Wow! That was quite uncalled for. I probably wouldn't have said anything but would have seriously thought about switching nutritionists from that comment alone. But there are some people out there who'll call you a snob just because you'd rather have homemade waffles versus Eggo.

                                                            1. re: Miss Needle
                                                              Will Owen RE: Miss Needle Jul 2, 2008 05:29 PM

                                                              It has been my experience that nutritionists are seldom if ever truly interested in food as an art form, cooking as an art, eating as a sort of art appreciation. By inclination as well as training they think of food ONLY as nutrition, and consider the function of good flavor to be solely that of getting us to eat what's good for us. I would point out that it's almost always nutritionists who run school cafeterias...

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                                                                thebordella RE: Will Owen Jul 2, 2008 05:43 PM

                                                                Nutritionists are cyborgs who are merely designed in the shape of humans, albeit enviously thin ones.

                                                                Their view of food is akin to how the Mars Lander analyzes rocks on a foreign planet. Composition, mass, portion size.

                                                                The truth is that nutritionists themselves run purely on solar power.

                                                                1. re: thebordella
                                                                  jlafler RE: thebordella Jul 2, 2008 10:03 PM

                                                                  To understand what's up with nutritionists, it helps to know a little about the eating habits of most of the people they see. When your client eats Doritos and a Coke for breakfast, almost anything is a step up.

                                                            2. re: Will Owen
                                                              hill food RE: Will Owen Jul 2, 2008 01:05 PM

                                                              Will: "I love that stuff so much I could put it in my pants."

                                                              I am going to have to steal that phrase.

                                                              1. re: Will Owen
                                                                Caroline1 RE: Will Owen Jul 2, 2008 01:42 PM

                                                                Will, I would love to live someplace with a lot of Armenians, or Turks, or Greeks, or Lebanese, or Syrians, or.... I want the FOOD!

                                                                But in all fairness, I do have a great little halal market about four miles thataway, a couple of blocks from the local mosque. I just haven't thought to price lamb kidneys. Been too busy munching on lamb chops! And just last week I found out he gets mutton in every once in a while! Gonna have me some stew...!!! '-)

                                                        2. re: Caroline1
                                                          madgreek RE: Caroline1 Jul 2, 2008 11:38 AM

                                                          My sentiments exactly. I also feel like chowhounds are more helpful when it comes to food knowledge, because they have a genuine love of food. Food snobs, it seems, love themselves first, and just happen to express it through food sometimes.

                                                          1. re: Caroline1
                                                            DGresh RE: Caroline1 Jul 7, 2008 08:50 AM

                                                            that's kind of what I was thinking-- we were sharing a vacation house last week with my father, my brother, and my brother's family. My sister-in-law wanted BBQ. I did my research (here of course) and found that the BBQ place in the town we were in was only so-so, but that 10 miles up the road was a take-out only place that was highly recommended. I gave everyone the results of my research, but everyone else wanted a sitdown place that was close. If it had been just my family, we would have driven up the road and gotten take-out, but I wasn't going to make an issue of it. I think a food snob would make everyone know that they were settling for second-best-- I just went along without a blink of complaint.

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                                                            foodwich RE: Zengarden Jul 2, 2008 04:02 AM

                                                            if i did not know food, i would learn it here. somedays that comes with humor, some days with sarcasm. that to me makes the difference between a 'hound' and a snob. i have an acquaintance who loves to go eat at 'authentic' places. whether she knew anything about them or not, she is my definition of a snob. love to eat, love to share knowledge of food and related is the chowhound.

                                                            1. bigjeff RE: Zengarden Jul 2, 2008 06:08 AM

                                                              food snobs are haters, chowhounds are lovers.

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                                                              1. re: bigjeff
                                                                brendastarlet RE: bigjeff Jul 2, 2008 12:07 PM

                                                                XO, Big Jeff!

                                                                In my view, a food snob eliminates possibilities; a Chowhound embraces them.

                                                                A food snob goes solely by Michelin and Zagat; a Chowhound gets as excited about a great food cart as a white tablecloth.

                                                                A food snob obsesses about vintages and bouquet; a Chowhound knows that Trader Joe's has some awfully good deals on drinkable wines.

                                                                A food snob will drive I-80 across Pennsylvania without stopping; a Chowhound can't wait to get to the nearest Eat n' Park.

                                                              2. bigjeff RE: Zengarden Jul 2, 2008 05:50 PM

                                                                ok how about this:

                                                                if there was a global apocalypse, chowhounds would live, and food snobs would die.

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                                                                1. re: bigjeff
                                                                  hill food RE: bigjeff Jul 2, 2008 11:09 PM

                                                                  yeah, but we'd still have nutritionists.

                                                                2. SweetPea914 RE: Zengarden Jul 3, 2008 07:08 PM

                                                                  Without reading other responses, here is mine...a Chowhound may love really great food but will have fun even in the presence of average food. A Food snob will allow the lack of truly inventive cuisine to impede their good time.
                                                                  Someone that will eat at a chain restaurant if the company I'm with is good :-)

                                                                  1. j
                                                                    jlafler RE: Zengarden Jul 3, 2008 07:11 PM

                                                                    Actually, now that I think of it, it's simple.

                                                                    Food snobs are orange. Chowhounds are purple...or chartreuse -- anyway, not orange! Never, never orange!

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                                                                      grayelf RE: jlafler Jul 3, 2008 07:50 PM

                                                                      Hmm, I wonder what rworange on the SF Bay Area board would think of that :-).

                                                                      1. re: grayelf
                                                                        jlafler RE: grayelf Jul 4, 2008 10:22 AM

                                                                        Uh-oh. Well, I guess a chowhound can rhyme with orange, if necessary.

                                                                    2. sharonanne RE: Zengarden Jul 4, 2008 09:59 AM

                                                                      It's been pointed out that labelling people doesn't work so maybe we should talk about chowhound and snob BEHAVIOUR. Individuals may exhibit varying degrees of each.

                                                                      Chowhound behaviour shows a love of food and the use of knowledge to get more good food. Snob behaviour is the use of information to score points on others to make the individual feel better about themselves.

                                                                      It's all about the agenda to me. The goal might not be obvious at first but is usually revealed pretty quickly.

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                                                                      1. re: sharonanne
                                                                        applehome RE: sharonanne Jul 4, 2008 01:26 PM

                                                                        It's not just about labels (i.e., Chowhound=good, snob=bad). It's about judging behavior and ultimately trying to change other people's behavior to meet YOUR agenda. WHO, THE FUCK, CARES????

                                                                        Personal agendas and goals are completely irrelevant to the food and food knowledge. If someone wants to one-up himself by telling you something you didn't know - who cares if he has an agenda of sounding more knowledgeable than you? People look foolish doing all kinds of things. If it's good advice about a restaurant or something about some ethnic food I didn't know very well, I'll listen and maybe I'll learn a thing or two.

                                                                        Sometimes it's just how you hear things. David Rosengarten comes across as a know-it-all. People used to think of him as a snob and hate his food show - they still often complain about his newsletters. You know what? I say bitch away - I know more about certain food items because I read his stuff. His agenda is to make money telling you stuff he knows. Indeed - he had better be a know it all.

                                                                        I would guess that there are people around the world who would have refused to have a conversation with Picasso or Heifetz because of their snobbery.

                                                                        1. re: applehome
                                                                          hill food RE: applehome Jul 11, 2008 11:08 PM

                                                                          Pablo and Jascha were horrible house guests.

                                                                          we had to replace SO much linen after every visit. elephants are more house-trained.

                                                                      2. pikawicca RE: Zengarden Jul 4, 2008 02:33 PM

                                                                        I know it when I hear it: Years ago, my (just-married) husband and I were dining at the now (justly) defunct Ernie's in SF. We heard a pompous ass at the nearby 4-top announce to the server in a lofty tone that they "were gourmets from Phoenix." We couldn't help it -- we burst out laughing and couldn't stop. In those days, Phoenix was still a dusty little hick town, and the nearest decent food was in LA.

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                                                                          dty RE: Zengarden Jul 7, 2008 01:48 PM

                                                                          People who agree with you on this board are chowhounds.
                                                                          People who disagree with you are food snobs/reverse food snobs.

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