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lekkercraft Jun 23, 2008 09:16 AM

Well, I've never had a chance to try a vacuum-packed tofu, but I've also been frustrated with tofu falling apart in stir fry. I'll be watching this thread to see if anyone has suggestions.

Something to try could be freezing it. I have found that freezing tofu does help to change the consistency to something a bit more hardy, in case you're interested in another possible solution.

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  1. bigjeff RE: lekkercraft Jun 23, 2008 06:51 PM

    freezing, and defrosting, completely changes the structure and creates almost a flat spongey effect, which makes it very hardy in stir-fries, but you gotta like the texture, which, I totally like. otherwise, if you want the firm stuff, you may have to get the smoked or seasoned stuff (usually a light or dark brown exterior, smaller pieces) which can be julienned or whatnot for stirfries. available at any chinese market, don't think there's any western brands with it.

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      designerboy01 RE: bigjeff Jun 24, 2008 10:47 PM

      Yeah, that is beehive tofu. I usually freeze the firm one. It works really well to absorb sauces or have them in hotpots when your stock gets rich.

      I usually get the firm tofu at the chinese market and don't find it to be a problem. But when I cook with it is usually comes close to the last thing I put in the wok and try not to play around with it too much.

      The dark brown one is spiced and pressed. There is also a sweet one that is sold in dry thin sheets (rectangular and small).

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        Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jun 25, 2008 08:57 AM

        "There is also a sweet one that is sold in dry thin sheets (rectangular and small)."

        Are you talking about bean curd sheets?

        I find that you can find the firm plain tofu. It may take some looking, though.

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          designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jun 25, 2008 10:19 AM

          Its something similar to that but they call it teem fu jook (cantonese) which translates to sweet bean curd. I never ate it outside in a restaurant. Its in small rectangular dry wafers that are light brown. I use to cook it in a dragon fish stew. Just ask the shop keeper. Sometimes the older Cantonese supermarkets should have them, like Po Wing Hong on Elizabeth street between Hester and Canal Street in NY's Chinatown. Other shops may carry it, I usually just ask.

          Sorry, that may be a little off topic. I don't know why I always include that when I think of tofu aside that it is also made from soybeans.

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            Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jun 25, 2008 11:09 AM

            Ok. You've got me on the teem fu jook. I've never heard of it. I'll be on the lookout for it next time I'm in C-town.

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              designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jun 25, 2008 10:15 PM

              Its just one of the ingredients in cooking. I never used it as the main star but its sometimes a nice supporting actor in a stew.

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                designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jun 25, 2008 10:22 PM

                This is it, but I never saw it in that packaging here.

                http://www.flour-ysh.com/products/ima...

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                  Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jun 26, 2008 01:52 PM

                  Don't think I've seen it before. Is the tofu really sweet? And if it is, how sweet?

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                    designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jun 26, 2008 08:36 PM

                    I don't think sugar when I eat it after cooking it in sauces. Its not really noticeable. Its just not salty. I'm still discovering things in the supermarket myself. Especially the old ones. I sometimes feel we also lose knowledge for every new generation. Some of the markets stop stocking these things because no one is aware of it or don't know how to use them.

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                      Miss Needle RE: Miss Needle Jun 27, 2008 09:52 AM

                      Thanks, DB and BJ.

                      That article is really a keeper. You should post it on the General Topics board so that others can see it.

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                bigjeff RE: Miss Needle Jun 26, 2008 09:34 PM

                doing a little snooping, found a post to this link:

                http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

                the pictures and text chart are cool.

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                  designerboy01 RE: bigjeff Jun 26, 2008 11:56 PM

                  Yeah you can do a lot with soy. Actually, the other one I don't see in the picture is water tofu (the one that is usually eaten for dessert and mixed with sugar) which can be made as a main dish. I once had it at a restaurant and it was served Yin Yang. Half of it was mixed with tiny shrimp in a egg white sauce and the other half mixed with spinach. When you mix it into rice it makes it silky. Good summer dish.

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                    Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jun 27, 2008 09:53 AM

                    You know, more I think about it, I think that water tofu is the same tofu they use for soon tofu chigae in Korean restaurants.

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                      designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jul 6, 2008 10:26 PM

                      I think you are right.....

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                        Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jul 9, 2008 05:18 PM

                        You know, I saw soon tofu packaged in a tube (like they sell in Korean markets) at a Chinese market last week. It was called "egg tofu." What do Chinese people use that for?

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                          designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jul 9, 2008 10:24 PM

                          Actually, I never saw that product in the Chinese market. I did see it in the Korean market. Which market is it in?

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                            Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jul 9, 2008 10:28 PM

                            I mentioned the market to you in a different post. I don't remember the name, but it's in Flushing, on Main between Maple and Franklin (?). I didn't inspect the tube thoroughly, but I do believe there was Chinese writing on it.

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                              designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jul 10, 2008 03:06 PM

                              Funny, I was just there the other day checking out the Bingrae Ice Bars on sale. I'm starting to like that supermarket. I'll check it out.

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                            designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jul 11, 2008 02:30 PM

                            I was at the market today still eyeing those Bingrae Ice Bars on sale. Boy they are clearing out fast.

                            I did see the tube tofu and the package says to cut and fry. I've never used this product before, but maybe I'll give it a try.

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                              Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jul 14, 2008 12:26 PM

                              Cut and fry? Interesting. Please report back if you do!

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                                designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jul 14, 2008 06:30 PM

                                I was shopping with Mom and I stumbled into this again in another market. Mom briefed me and said she had this before in Vancouver. It seems to be a popular Dim Sum dish and dish is called Little Jade Tofu. She also told me she had it when she was younger with a crab white sauce. I made Mom a deal and said I would cook her dinner if she let me cook. I learned a lot already but I don't have all the moves that Mom has. So I made it tonight. I didn't go quite fancy but I just cut and fried and made a simple sauce with oyster sauce and threw in some scallions. Its not bad as another type of tofu dish, but I think I would add something more crunch like Chinese celery next time. You can get creative and add something like Virginia Ham or Chinese sausages. Or if you really want to get fancy you can probably fry the slice tofu and put sea urchin on top. Its limitless and it depends on your creativity. I usually like to stick with tradition and stick with the tried and true way.

                                The texture of the tofu is suppose to be really smooth. But I can usually get a smooth consistency just by steaming scrambled eggs and water. The ratio of the water will make it smooth.

                                What do Koreans do with it since I noticed it in Hanareum too?

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                                  Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jul 15, 2008 08:39 AM

                                  Interesting about the tofu. I've never seen that dish at dim sum. Thinking about it some more, I think I've had that soft tofu in that Chinese dish with shrimp, tofu, and peas. I really dig the custardy texture.

                                  I think Koreans only use it for soon tofu casserole. But my dad also likes to put it in daen jang jigae (soy bean paste casserole -- funkier version of miso) and chung gook jang (natto casserole) instead of the traditional tofu.

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                                    Humbucker RE: Miss Needle Jul 15, 2008 09:01 PM

                                    Egg tofu is different from soon doobu. Egg tofu has egg mixed into it, so the texture is more gelatinous than regular tofu. Soon doobu is just soft regular tofu. The two often come in similar packaging, but they're definitely not the same.

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                                      Miss Needle RE: Humbucker Jul 16, 2008 09:26 AM

                                      Thanks for the explanation! I didn't realize egg tofu had egg in it. Just thought they called it that because it had the texture of an egg custard.

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                                      designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Jul 15, 2008 11:17 PM

                                      I know the dish you are talking about with the tofu, shrimp, and peas. I didn't make the connection that it was from tube tofu. The tube tofu is a modern product but mixing eggs and tofu has been around for a long time.

                                      Makes a good diet Cheese Wiz too. :)

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                                        Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Jul 16, 2008 09:27 AM

                                        Yeah, I had some of that last night -- needed to eat something on the blander side.

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                                        designerboy01 RE: Miss Needle Aug 5, 2008 01:36 PM

                                        I was eating at a Cantonese restaurant this weekend across the street from Sweet and Tart and saw the tube tofu on the menu. I thought of you and also ordered it out of curiosity. It was served sliced and with a whole scallop on top. They cooked it with a egg white sauce. The whole dish was surrounded by Chinese Greens. Its a good dish to order when your dinner is complemented with strong flavors. I forgot the English name of the restaurant, but this place is pretty good value in Flushing for Cantonese.

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                                          Miss Needle RE: designerboy01 Aug 5, 2008 03:38 PM

                                          Nice to know that a quivering hunk of tofu makes you think of me! ; )

                                          It sounds pretty good. With the exception of that shrimp, tofu and pea dish, I've never seen it on a menu -- but I guess I haven't been looking for it.

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                                  divya RE: Miss Needle Jul 29, 2008 01:25 PM

                                  miss needle
                                  not sure if u have been answered re. 'tofu in the tube'
                                  but i use this product for in all recipes where i need to reduce oil quantities or increase protein content; eg: pesto/mayo, pasta sauce, smoothies, baked goods, omelette's,
                                  there is an eggless option too

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                                    Miss Needle RE: divya Jul 29, 2008 01:38 PM

                                    Thanks for telling me about your use of the tofu. It sounds similar to how a lot of people use silken tofu. But I think this tofu is a bit better than silken for the things you are describing.

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                    Val RE: lekkercraft Jun 28, 2008 06:05 AM

                    Have you tried the Nasoya Extra Firm? If you drain it really well (between paper towels with a weight on it like a cast iron pan or pot) and marinate it, it holds together pretty well in stir-fries, for us anyway. Then, you have other brands like MoriNu that say "firm" but they are so custard-like, which is okay for some dishes but not for stir-fry...amazing how different tofus can be.

                    1. raytamsgv RE: lekkercraft Jul 8, 2008 04:26 PM

                      Pressed tofu has the density of a brick. It's usually vacuum-packed. It generally holds up pretty well for stir-frying. Here in L.A., you can buy them seasoned or unseasoned. And as designerboy01 noted, it should probably be the last thing you put in the wok.

                      Other types of tofu are not really meant for stir-frying. Even the firm types fall apart. They are often used in soups and for braised dishes. The soft types fall apart regardless of how you cook them.

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                        HLing RE: raytamsgv Jul 8, 2008 09:55 PM

                        firm tofu in home cooking is first drained, cut into squares, patted dry with paper towel, and then lightly pan seared on all sides and then set aside to be added back to the stir fry. It may be a little labor intensive but its texture and taste isn't the same as using the harder pressed tofu. Another method is to dip the cut up pieces first into a beaten egg, then rolled in flour/salt/pepper powder, then lightly fried in plenty of oil, and then set aside to be added to the stir fry, or eaten as is.

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                        anzu RE: lekkercraft Jul 8, 2008 05:26 PM

                        One thing you can do is press it. Buy firm tofu, then what I usually do if I don't want it to crumble (though sometimes I can't be bothered), is I set the tofu in a colander in a bowl, put a plate on top, then put weights on top. You'd be surprised at how much water it exudes!

                        If I really want firm tofu, I might let the tofu sit like this in the fridge overnight or all day, but usually, even while prepping the other ingredients helps.

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                          Humbucker RE: lekkercraft Jul 8, 2008 08:11 PM

                          If you salt the tofu before cooking it, it will fall apart less or not at all.

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                            Rasam RE: Humbucker Jul 10, 2008 09:58 PM

                            I am another fan of the Nasoya X firm tofu (it even comes pre-cut in cubes).

                            And what HLing says is absolutely correct - OP: what is your technique for stif-frying tofu? You should lightly pan sear it, keep it aside, and then add it to the finished stir fry (rather than attempting to stir fry it) if you want to minimize falling apart.

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