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Diners, Drive-ins, Dives, and Disgusting

I thought I had seen it all until tonight's episode featuring a disgusting school bus serving various forms of hot dogs. As if the setting wasn't bad enough, Fieri is shoveling disgusting amounts of food into his pie hole to the point that it is all over his whiskers. Is there really any value to showing a hot dog topped with ketchup, mustard, relish, mayo, some awful meatsauce, coleslaw, and a few other "condiments" ?

Maybe TFN can come up with a new show called Dumpster Divers.

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  1. My preference is Diners, Dives and Impractical Jokes.

    1. hah, guess I am the only one who wants to go to that place. Actually my sister and I are planning on heading down there sometime this summer ):

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      1. I really like DD&D. The food looks better than a lot of the gourmet shows, there are always fairly complete sequences of the chefs cooking a dish or two, and Guy has a good rapport with the proprietors and the regulars. But I agree -- his stuffing his face with huge bites is disgusting and hurts his credibility and appeal. It is also offensive that a 3 pound burger would have a small sample crammed into his gullet and smeared on his face and the rest wasted.

        C'mon, Fieri -- you aren't a raw rookie anymore. DD&D is a hit, broadcast and repeated multiple times each week, and your cooking show is now on afternoons. You don't need the juvenile attempts at junior high humor anymore. I don't mind the endless trademark slogans ("money") and the fist bumps, but please give your audience the same respect you give your diner cooks, owners, and patrons.

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        1. re: nosh

          hate to admit it but I like it too.
          the places he finds are crazy, who'd a thunk.
          I've been to a few, one in Hatboro Pa, one is Baltimore Pa, one is Seattle Wash, all fine, all fun, all an adventure. but honestly, it's the mission that is most fun, not so much the food you get at these places.....

          1. re: nosh

            Why would he change now? The formula that made the show a hit includes him taking enormous, slobbering bites of things. That's actually one of the trademark elements - it sets it apart from other shows.

            1. re: monopod

              I know this is a bit of an old post, but even though I only watch tv at the gym, and only the Food Network, and it seems that Guy is always on when I'm there (no matter what time it is...), I have to confess, that it's a strangely perverse joy to watch him stuff his face with that heavenly, artery-clogging grub... What is that all about doctor???

              1. re: monopod

                Oh yeah... to make this even weirder, I don't even have audio when I watch it...

            2. Jeez people lighten up, food doesn't always have to be so serious and this is definitely not a serious show. Looked like he was having fun and given a free opportunity to dive my face in a huge burger like that, and I probably would too.

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              1. re: LStaff

                Thank you thank you. It is a fun show. Diners, good comfort food, low key, families and friends, not 5 star cuisine and dining. He adds humor and fun to the show. Do you really think he wouldn't be doing this if people didn't like him. The average stay at home mom or dad, or retired or just not working person is watching cuz it isn't serious and they have some fun and see humor.

                I love the show, And I certainly would shovel that food as well.

                For one ... I love fine cooking, I'm also a pretty average gal with family and friends who love average food. So he, Rachel, Aaron, and some of the others, why not. They at least get my attention and keep it. They have got millions on non cooks to cook and kudos to them.

                1. re: LStaff

                  Agreed. It's Triple D, not Pristine, Pricey and Pompous.

                  Likewise it's not a review show of the best places to eat. It's about unique places that are a bit different and that won't cost a small fortune, or a wardrobe change to visit.

                  Most of the time, they are locally owned/run places run by chow loving folks. The places he's visited in my areas are never on the top of local dining lists, but are still unique, locally owned, and try to be authentic. I'm happy with his show for highlighting risk takers, rather than getting picky with the "best of" mentality.

                  1. re: tastyjon

                    Great comments. I was going to reply, but you said it all. All I can say is I am afraid if we removed the Pompus from Chow, there might be little left :)

                    1. re: scottca075

                      *LOL*. There is that element, isn't there?

                2. Guy Fieri is as much of a whore and a cook's ass kisser as Rachel Ray. You cannot give any credit to anybody's recommendation who says they love everything that goes down their gullet.

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                  1. re: kirkj

                    Amen brother. Some of that stuff is just downright foul and would be more at home on Fear Factor ! In a future episode, maybe Fieri can visit some breweries and drink until he pukes. I bet there are some viewers that would enjoy that type of "entertainment". He could stick his head in the brew tanks, yell "That's Off the Hook" and then dive in after his sunglasses fell off his head.

                      1. re: TonyO

                        Ahahahahahahaha, too funny!
                        Not a huge fan of the show, though I've tuned in if I'm familiar with a place he's scoping out. He seems like a nice enough fella - little too hyper for me though, and gimmicky.
                        I do like eating at Johnny Garlic's though.

                      2. re: kirkj

                        I was wondering last night how he could say "that's great" after some of the things he eats. It's great mindless entertainment at 10:30 pm, which is when it is on in NY. I went totally over the edge when they added mayo to that hot dog, although cole slaw is sometimes used. There are times when we are in the mood for the greatest in gourmet dining, but other times just want an interesting, divey place where we can go in with shorts and a t-shirt and have some comfort food. It's a good laugh to see who ends up in these places, both as chef and diner sometimes.

                        1. re: robinsilver

                          Actually I'm more often in the mood for interesting, divey place than some stuffy gourmet dining. Wasn't one of the tenents behind CH the discovery of the hidden gems and things like that? Seems to me, that's one of the premises behind DD&D

                          1. re: jgg13

                            Amen to that! I find more places that I would like to go to on that show than most others. I also think that if you're going to a burger joint in the middle of nowhere run by people that don't usually read Epicurian, you SHOULD take a big manly bite of that burger! What should he do- take a dainty bite with his pinky sticking out or cut a small slice with a fork and knife? I think his rapport with the owners and his fun antics are what make them comfortable and what makes the show as popular as it is. I'll keep watching....

                          2. re: robinsilver

                            "It's great mindless entertainment "

                            yep but sometimes, that's all I'm up for.
                            it's late or early, it's mindless with little or no thought needed, sometimes, that just what I'm ready to fall asleep to.........leave it on

                            1. re: robinsilver

                              He says 'that's great' because it would be the height of rudeness to show him saying "OMG that sucks- how to hell do you stay in business??"

                            2. re: kirkj

                              >>Guy Fieri is as much of a whore and a cook's ass kisser as Rachel Ray.

                              Oh boy, am I glad you said that.

                              I can't stand the guy.

                              1. re: dolores

                                Guy would be the perfect game show host.

                                He sucks as a credible food person.

                                1. re: Scagnetti

                                  And now he IS a game show host. Great call!

                                2. re: dolores

                                  And when Rachel Ray says EVOO or sammies, I want to punch her in the face. :)

                                  1. re: SFGourmande

                                    I have recently seen 'sammy' or 'sammies' every where from menus to newspaper stories on restaurants' offerings. I wish this term would die a painful death. (I still don't choose to understand the reference at all. 'Sandwich' does not and never has used the letter 'm').

                                    1. re: John E.

                                      The word sammy was part of the vernacular long before Rachel Ray's show. And it will be around long after.

                                      1. re: tommy

                                        I did not mention Rachel Ray nor was I referring to her.

                                        1. re: John E.

                                          Your wish for a slow painful death will surely go unfulfilled. LOL!

                                          1. re: tommy

                                            Yea, I have been persuaded that a quick, painless death is the way to go. I have joined a conspiracy with Davwud to make it happen.

                                      2. re: John E.

                                        I think the 'm' in sammies comes from the child pronunciation of sandwich as sammich. young kids may not be able to enunciate the 'ndw' sound in sandwich. So, sandwich to sammich to sammy...

                                        1. re: silence9

                                          You're almost correct. It came from parents speaking baby talk to their children who had not yet learned to enunciate. That word that children said is/was samwhich, not sammy.

                                        2. re: John E.

                                          I don't. I want it to die a quick, painless death. Sammy can get in a car, turn the ignition and BOOM!!!! Problem solved.


                                          1. re: Davwud

                                            If you provide the det cord, I'll keep the powder dry.

                                    2. re: kirkj

                                      So if he doesn't like something, should he say so on the show? Take a bite and say "Hmm, that's ok but I wouldn't order that." Or "Good lord, that's awful." I wouldn't want to watch a show where the host did that. He did actually say he didn't like the peanut butter hamburger on one of the episodes.

                                      1. re: Boychucker

                                        That is precisely what I want to watch. It's a TV show, it's not free advertisement for the restaurants. I wouldn't want to watch a show where everything the host bites into is delicious. That's why I don't watch Rachel Ray. Let me ask you, why are you a chowhound? Do you have a discriminating palate?

                                        1. re: Ericandblueboy

                                          That's cool if that's what you want to watch. I honestly haven't really seen any shows like that before, but I'm curious if they are out there. Although, it has been pointed out that there have been a couple of times Guy hasn't liked the food (the peanut butter hamburger). I think your last 2 questions don't have anything to do with why I enjoy this show and you don't so I'm not going to answer them.

                                          1. re: Boychucker

                                            We also don't know how much ends up on the cutting room floor. Maybe they don't show the "eww gross' moments that do happen. This is TV, just because you don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't happen - I wouldn't be surprised if the taping at these places lasts for a few days even though it looks like he's there for 20 minutes.

                                            1. re: jgg13

                                              Not even Alton Brown's openly trashed some of the places he's visited that seem to have sketchy cooking (though he's certainly noted his distaste for certain foods he's come across) on his Feasting on Asphalt show... besides, normally the owner/cook's standing right beside him, it would be a little rude to bash their food in front of their face, no?

                                              1. re: Blueicus

                                                If Alton won't diss the koolaid pickle, what will he dis? :) Of course as you say, he *has* knocked some stuff. But at least that show is in theory "AB rolls up on an unsuspecting place" - that's different than DD&D

                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                  Oh gosh I remember that episode of Asphalt. Alton looked like he wanted to cry before he ate that thing. I'd say he comunicated his feelings about it pretty well without out-and-out insulting the people who were selling them.

                                                  Guy used to annoy me; now I kind of like him. Maybe not "like" him but whoever said he's a freak got it right--he's like a train wreck you can't look away from! What I find interesting about DDD is that it is what real people eat. Those restaurants (or dives, whatever you want to call them) all seem to be filled with enthusiastic diners. So that's what America eats. There are more people going to places like that than Babbo! And I believe I read somewhere that Guy started as a short-order cook, so DDD is a perfect fit for him. Makes sense to me.

                                                  1. re: SharaMcG

                                                    Just 'cause America eats it doesn't mean it's worth celebrating. There's plenty America does that it should be ashamed of and some of the food you see us it can easily be lumped in there!

                                                    1. re: Scortch

                                                      There always seems to be an obligatory "burger moment" when he takes one and shoves it in his face. That I could do without. Anyway, burgers are like grilled chicken caesars at this point; EVERY restaurant has one (no matter how out-of-place on the menu) and they all pretty much taste the same.

                                                      I did enjoy the episode where he made "American Chop Suey." I had no idea the beefaroni I had in gradeschool had such a long New England history.

                                                      1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                        "Anyway, burgers are like grilled chicken caesars at this point; EVERY restaurant has one (no matter how out-of-place on the menu) and they all pretty much taste the same.", you got that right. Why does everybody need to mess up a caesar salad with chicken or shrimp? You're afraid of dying from protein deprivation, after one meal, perhaps?


                                                        1. re: EWSflash

                                                          I have to disagree with the "all burgers taste the same" theory. I look for "fresh" burgers when ordering them out and try to stay away from frozen. There is a huge difference in texture in quality between a frozen one and a fresh formed patty.

                                                          1. re: jessicheese

                                                            +1 Jessie. give me a hand formed, fresh beef perfectly cooked patty over just about anything else on the planet! YUM!

                                              2. re: jgg13

                                                Also, isn't the point that he's going to places with a local rep for great food? So I would be shocked to hear him say something tasted awful... because that isn't why he's there!

                                                1. re: jujuthomas

                                                  He has spoken up when he doesn't like something..or he makes a strange face.

                                              3. re: Boychucker

                                                I notice he will try anything at least once. He didn't like peanut butter burger's or scrapple either. You can tell when something doesn't hit him the right way. Hiis wold demeanor changes from jokes to "wow...interesting"

                                                1. re: BiloxiFoodie

                                                  I don't recall seeing him eat fried or scrambled eggs. He apparently despises them.

                                              4. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                Why would I want to watch a TV about restaurants that serve bad food?

                                                I'd be curious as to your response to the questions you have posed.

                                                And what is your definition of discriminating?

                                                1. re: Withnail42

                                                  I'm not saying he should feature bad restaurants but rather that even a good restaurant has flaws. I like Top Chef because they critique the food, not just eat it and gush how good it tastes without explaining why.

                                                  1. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                    Thing is, that's a totally different type of show. On a show like TC, they're being judged on their food. On a show like DDD, they're trying to show you "good ole places" around the country - its not a judgement type of show. Again, there's really nothing that happens on TV that's not pretty carefully thought out - it isn't as if Guy drives down the road in that fancy car of his and happens upon a greasy spoon ... these places are carefully vetted beforehand.

                                                    1. re: jgg13

                                                      Yes they're two different types of shows. Given that I already don't like the format of the show, adding a clown as its host makes it even less appealing.

                                                    2. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                      Top Chef vs NFNS? You've got a clear case of apples and oranges happening.

                                                  2. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                    "I wouldn't want to watch a show where everything the host bites into is delicious."

                                                    Full disclosure: I have not seen every episode of every cooking show ever filmed.

                                                    With the exception of the classic "Cookin' Cheap" series, I cannot ever once recall seeing the host of a cooking show bite into the featured product at the end of the show and saying "Ooops. That actually isn't very good."

                                                    Can you imagine? I'm all for realism and honesty, but if the host determines the food is awful, why waste the viewers' time even showing it to them?

                                                    I can't argue if the problem is that the host is over the top with the praise (I think Guy has at least toned it down a bit), but that the host never complains about the place...that just doesn't make sense. It's not "Guy objectively critiques greasy spoons" it's "Guy shows you good or unique greasy spoons."

                                                    1. re: jzerocsk

                                                      Actually, thats what Julia Child was known for doing. I remember her spitting out something she ate before!

                                                      1. re: jzerocsk

                                                        I seem to recall an episode of DDD where Guy encountered some menudo that he wasn't keen on.

                                                        1. re: jzerocsk

                                                          he hated the cheesebruger that had peanut butter on it... and there was recently a soul-food resto featured where he tried pigs ear and didn't really enjoy it.

                                                          1. re: jujuthomas

                                                            I feel sorry for him - he's been branded with that spiky-white-hair-bling-sunglasses-limited lifetime lingo-thing and now he's stuck with it. He's the Emeril, which really has to suck. All the way to the bank.

                                                          2. re: jzerocsk

                                                            Personally, I'd rather they do the vetting off-camera, and only feature the good. I'm plenty skilled at finding a mediocre-to-bad restaurant. I don't need a Food Network show for that. Too many eateries, especially the lower-end ones, get their menus mostly pre-made from a food delivery service. It's refreshing to see low-cost places that still make things from scratch.

                                                          3. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                            So only people with discriminating palates are allowed to be on this site? I thought this site was for people who enjoy food, no matter where it is cooked.

                                                            1. re: valleygirl617

                                                              But good food can be cooked anywhere. Did you really mean the part about "no matter where it is cooked"?

                                                              1. re: valleygirl617

                                                                DDD is suffering here in food fantasy land from the same affliction Rachael Ray suffered. Popularity! If someone is popular with the unwashed masses, they are more than likely to be looked down on here.

                                                                1. re: poser

                                                                  Alll I can say from a few years on this site is this: The people who seem to hate Food Network the most sure spend a lot of time watching it.

                                                                  1. re: jmckee

                                                                    It is kind of fun to watch Food Network/Cooking Channel to spot their mistakes and critique their food - sort of armchair quarterbacking for people who don't like sports!!!

                                                                    Seriously, I like to watch food shows, because there is almost always something new to learn even from a mediocre show. What bothers me is that is that these networks have become more of a celebrity circus than a place for people who are serious about cooking/baking. I am not interested in food assembly shows; I want to see the serious stuff!

                                                                    1. re: sandylc

                                                                      Triple D is a pretty serious show if you watch. I've learned an awful lot about how restaurants operate, not to mention technique, recipes, and constant inspiration.

                                                                      For "serious stuff" I pay for courses, or buy DVDs, watch PBS shows, or otherwise take it upon myself to better myself in the ways I find necessary for my own needs. As for those shows that don't fit into my needs, entertainment or otherwise, I simply do not tune in.

                                                                      1. re: tommy

                                                                        Well put, my brother in cyberspace.

                                                                        1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                          In terms of a Guyism, that's "My brother from another cyber mother." lol

                                                            2. re: Boychucker

                                                              actually he has disagreed with some of the dishes, although not very often. They seem to do a good job finding places that serve food made from scratch, as opposed to the open a can and microwave places that are the standard these days. So these places are probably pretty darn good. I have been to about ten places that he had on the show and the food was great each time. Also, I have eaten his food (Tex Wasabi's in Santa Rosa) and I would say his restaurant credibility is solid. This guy Guy knows his stuff. And give him credit for helping to promote the little places that trying to make food the right way.

                                                              1. re: Shane Greenwood

                                                                I definitely want to visit some of the places he goes to. Most of them seem like great places with a nice community feel.

                                                                1. re: Shane Greenwood

                                                                  Thank you, Shane. You have encapsulated the argument. FN tries to find places that are homemade (my kids always laugh and call it Ho-Made, but let's save that for another day), so what Guy ends up eating can't be all bad.

                                                                  Thanks for summing it all up!!

                                                              2. re: kirkj

                                                                I've seen him be less than enthusiastic about a couple of foods he's had, one that comes to mind was peanut butter on a burger, I think his exact words were "oh man, I don't like that at all" and made an open mouth yuck face.

                                                                1. re: TarheelYankee

                                                                  that was the funniest! I think he said something about 'i want my mommy' it was hilarious! :)

                                                                  1. re: jujuthomas

                                                                    He also didn't like scrapple.

                                                                    Who could blame him on that one? :-)

                                                                    1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                      Mmmmm....scrapple. With a fried egg between two slices of toasted Wonder Bread. If only Mcdonalds sold a Mcscrapple sandwich! But they'd have to describe it as "Pennsylvania Dutch polenta-style forcemeat" or something equally pretentious.

                                                                      1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                        cincinnati goetta's even better! :)

                                                                        1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                          Late in the thread, I know, but scrapple rocks!

                                                                          1. re: njmarshall55

                                                                            Especially w/ chow chow or especially apple butter on the scrapple. Forget catsoup or maple syrple.

                                                                  2. re: kirkj

                                                                    He doesn't like everything. He (politely) told the owner of one dinner that the hamburger with peanut butter was acquired taste.

                                                                    1. re: Withnail42

                                                                      Funny enough, I know a chef at a particularly renowned Ottawa restaurant that absolutely loves the combination of peanut butter and hamburger.

                                                                    2. re: kirkj

                                                                      Now you've hit on it. I "enjoy" the program in the sense that if any re:kirkj
                                                                      mentioned place is close enough to try, then I will pass by and look it over. He definitely never has a bad word about any place so I and others will have to use a bit of self evaluation. One place he featured in RI was not up to snuff, so prudence is the by word.

                                                                      1. re: feelinpeckish

                                                                        He doesn't claim he loves everything he's eating. It's quite easy to determine what he's not enjoying.

                                                                        1. re: tommy

                                                                          I recall an episode where he was at some taqueria. He raved about the tacos, but when he tried the menudo, he had a hard time swallowing it.

                                                                          1. re: tommy

                                                                            He had a very entertaining interview on my local radio station. He said that you can often tell he's not thrilled with something when he says things like "you can really taste the paprika" or things like that.

                                                                          2. re: feelinpeckish

                                                                            he was pretty clear about his distaste for a cheeseburger with peanut butter burger that he tried once, it was quite amusing. but i think for the most part he probably asks them to make him things that he *wants* to try, and i'd be willing to bet that there's plenty of footage on the cutting room floor of dishes that didn't go over well with him. after all, the point of the show is to get people to go to these places, not to feature the misses on their menus.

                                                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                              Its very obvious that Guy doesn't like eggs and innards.

                                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                He likes the places but not always every dish that they serve.

                                                                            2. re: kirkj

                                                                              While I would not be as harsh as your statement, there is certainly as element of truth in what you're saying.....

                                                                              I am frustrated in general with "food critics" lately - they just **love!*** everything! How can we believe anything they say?

                                                                            3. This is one of the few show on FoodTV that I'll pause to watch a few minutes.
                                                                              Guy gives the local small diner their 15 minutes, at least he's not setting these places up for a throwdown.

                                                                              He does have a schtick... shoveling food is part of it.

                                                                              In regards to the hot dog with everything, that's a little too over the top.

                                                                              1. This might be my favorite show on Food Network (Good Eats is a close second, or maybe a 1A)

                                                                                It doesn't take itself too seriously, and strikes just the right balance between total unabashed frivolity and foodie intrepidness.

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                                                                                1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                  I used to be a huge Good Eats fan. It was ruined when I met AB at a book signing. He was an arrogant A**! I tried to put it down to fatigue, etc., but my whole family was in agreement about it. Now whenever I watch his show, I find myself looking for errors (of which I do find a few), just because of his attitude. I really enjoyed watching Mario Batali correcting him on Iron Chef America.

                                                                                  1. re: sandylc

                                                                                    All you need to do is watch an episode of NFNS with Alton in it to realize he's a dick.

                                                                                    1. re: joonjoon

                                                                                      Alton's having fun that's the part they give him. You probably believe that the Chairman on Iron Chef is really Wo Fat.

                                                                                      1. re: wolfe

                                                                                        I loved him on the show MiddleMan

                                                                                      2. re: joonjoon

                                                                                        This is proof that two people watching the same program can get entirely different impressions of people. My sense is that he's essentially a nice guy who has to be tough on certain performers.

                                                                                  2. DD & D is one of the few shows I will actually watch on FN. I do not like how guy sticks his fingers in all the food, and some of his guyisms(money, etc, etc). But the places he profiles are the places I am always searching for. Give me a local hole in the wall place with great food & character, over a French Laundry, or Alinea anyday.

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                                                                                    1. re: swsidejim

                                                                                      Absolutely give me a hole in the wall local spot every time. But every time I turn on FN, there's Guy hawking TGI Friday's. Little cred issue with that.

                                                                                      1. re: southernitalian

                                                                                        I agree with you on that, but I think most of us if in the same position would strike while the irons hot, and sell out a little bit for a nice pay day.

                                                                                        1. re: swsidejim

                                                                                          As I read this thread I am remembering a diner-type-place just outside of Northampton MA called the Miss Florence Diner. Nowhere ever in my life have I had better fried scallops---light crisp breading, sweet scallops. Pork roast with sage dressing! Their coleslaw was heaven. Their baked beans were even better. They served fresh seasonal vegetables (green beans, butternut squash). The pies were homemade, as in homemade raspberry pie. I wish I were there now. I'm with swsidejim: don't be dissing diners.

                                                                                          1. re: Querencia

                                                                                            Miss Flo's! A gaggle of my college pals and I used to love to head there for great weekend brunches, back in the day. Wonderful food and a wonderful place. I don't recall ever having a bad meal there. Thanks for the memories!

                                                                                      2. re: swsidejim

                                                                                        Guy's ownership of 2 restaurants tells me that he should know better then to sample things in the way that he does.

                                                                                        I definitely agree w/ you about local holes w/ great food over national landmark restaurants.

                                                                                      3. Tony, its a fun show and maybe Im disgusting, but it always makes me hungry.

                                                                                        That being said, change the channel if you dont like it. I dont start threads hammering Sandra Lee, instead I change the channel and change it back for DDD and Good Eats, etc...

                                                                                        1. It is pretty rare that I don't want to eat what I see on D, D & D. In fact, I don't think i've seen the ep you're talking about but your description makes me hungry just thinking about it.

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                                                                                          1. re: jgg13

                                                                                            I love DD & D and believe that some posters start threads to bash certain FN hosts (not the darling of Chowhounds, Alton Brown, but every other host is fair game) for sport. I find Guy to be sincere and approachable and enjoys giving these businesses exposure and praise for a job well done. Not a thing wrong with that.

                                                                                            1. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                                              Yup, guilty as charged. There is a difference between a "dive" and a filthy place that serves unimaginitive processed crap and then parades themselves as being "local" and somehow that makes everything all right because some "celebrity" says they are "money". "Oh, they're not a chain so that makes it ok to serve crap". My comments aren't based on anything other than my observations:

                                                                                              1. The "Guy" has the eating manners of a drunk frat boy
                                                                                              2. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be served something that he had just stuck his hands/face in.
                                                                                              3. Sure, some of the places are great without being pretentious and serve well executed homestyle cooking and I'm sure the show gives many of them a much needed shot in the arm. Good for those that deserve such a benefit.

                                                                                              I have never met any of the FN "celebrities" (although I have friends that have so I have some accountable information on many of them). I will not quote on their "sincerity" or other characteristics that I have no knowledge of.

                                                                                              1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                1. How do you know that the food at these places is "crap" and doesn't actually taste good? Have you been to these places?

                                                                                                2. Don't you think that perhaps the "Guy sticks his hand in the pot" camera shot might be just for show, that no one is actually eating this food?

                                                                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                  If you find culinary value in huge, wasteful portions of clearly low quality food, then have at it. A hot dog topped with squeeze bottles filled with commercial condiments strictly for the "shock value" of portion size, in my opinion, is crap.

                                                                                                  1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                    My curiosity is piqued about this hot dog. I need to catch this episode just out of morbid curiosity.

                                                                                                    The hot dog sounds like some type of regional favorite like Cincinnati chili or Chicago deep dish.

                                                                                                    1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                      How do you know it doesn't taste good if you haven't tried it from the establishment in questIon, without guessing? Sometimes "low quality" does taste good, ya know.

                                                                                                      1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                        Come on, do you have to taste everything to know if it tastes good? Do you need to taste "crap" to know it doesn't taste good? This line of argument is belittling people with knowledge of how food should be prepared and how it should taste. Certainly what doesn't sound good on paper can taste good, but it's more likely that what doesn't sound good doesn't taste good.

                                                                                                        I don't know how low quality tastes good. Low quality as in what? Pig's intestines by itself isn't low quality or high quality. It's how you cook it that makes it low or high quality. By definition, low quality doesn't taste good.

                                                                                                        1. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                                                                          Meanwhile if Bordain went to the joint and raved about hot dogs with all that stuff on it, these foodie snobs wouldn't say boo. Oh wait, he did - Cook's tour - hawaii. And the one shown last night on FN when he went to California.

                                                                                                          <Sorry, didn't read the posts below that basically made the same point before posting mine>

                                                                                                          1. re: LStaff

                                                                                                            I would. I despise Bourdain as much as Guy Fieri. When I watch his show, I fast forward through all his non-food nonsense. The good part is that I can usually watch his entire show in about 5 minutes.

                                                                                                            1. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                                                                              Really? I think Bourdain has toned down his wild boy persona. Or, perhaps I just think so because I don't watch him anymore, not wanting to see him eating live animals in homage to the cretin on the travel channel.

                                                                                                              I realllllllllllly miss Sarah Moulton.

                                                                                                              1. re: dolores

                                                                                                                The cretin as in Adrew Zimmern? I actually enjoy watching Bizarre Foods other than the fact he chews with his mouth open and talks as he chews.

                                                                                                                1. re: Ericandblueboy

                                                                                                                  Yes, him. I don't enjoy watching sentient creatures being eaten alive.

                                                                                                                  Or pets roasted on a spit.

                                                                                                                  Different strokes, and all that jazz.

                                                                                                                2. re: dolores

                                                                                                                  I miss Sara Moulton, too. She has a new show on PBS but it is not airing on my station. I am soooooo bummed! I have tivo'd her old shows (TFN airs them late at night, I record and watch when I feel like it)

                                                                                                              2. re: LStaff

                                                                                                                Shhhhh. Quit trying to interject logic into this conversation!

                                                                                                          2. re: TonyO

                                                                                                            If you hate the show so much, why would you punish yourself by watching it? Some of the places on DDD, I would like to visit if I get the opportunity. I would like to try some of the dishes. There have also been several in which I have no interest. I don't plan to go to those. I usually do the same thing about TV shows. If I don't like them, I don't watch them. I don't feel obliged to berate them just because it might not be the way I do things.

                                                                                                        2. re: TonyO

                                                                                                          A small diner in my town was actually on his show, and it's very delicious. Not every show is going to be a great one (just like every other food show), but it a good attempt to showcase some great local places! Someone must these places if they are on television! I guess that's what I like about food network, it's a little something for everyone.

                                                                                                          1. re: Erinmck

                                                                                                            >>I guess that's what I like about food network, it's a little something for everyone.

                                                                                                            You should have seen it in its heyday, pre the 'reality' garbage.

                                                                                                            It was actually a very good channel.

                                                                                                            1. re: dolores

                                                                                                              YES! It used to be about interesting, good cooking/baking, rather than the "personality"-heavy, sensationalist network that it is now. Do I watch it? Of course - I love cooking shows. But there are fewer shows that attract me these days.

                                                                                                              Does anyone here watch the Cooking Channel? It is, of course the sister network to TFC, but they are at least 13.7% more into actual cooking than the Food Channel is.

                                                                                                              1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                I was really happy to get the Cooking Channel when it debuted last year. However, they have been disappointing over time because they re-run the same few shows over and over again, a lot of which were sourced from FN Canada.

                                                                                                                They have produced some new programming, but IMHO those have been a bit lackluster, and once again, they re-run the same few shows over and over (i.e., Extra Virgin).

                                                                                                                The only show I like on FN these days is Anne Burrell's show and I also DVR Aunt Sandy's show so we can play the bingo game on the weekend. :)

                                                                                                        3. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                                                          I agree, I think that his enthusiasm and sincerity is a good thing. And unlike Rachel Ray he actually (obviously) eats the food that he is tasting. And unlike others he'll actually say when he doesn't like something (hamburger w/ peanut butter).

                                                                                                          Watching No Reservations has me crave Asian food while DD&D has me crave deep fried greasy food.

                                                                                                          1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                            Exactly, I've seen him actively show dislike at some foods. I'm sure that his visual bar is a lot lower than his real bar and that he overhypes stuff (hey, that's the show, c'est la vie) but it isn't like he *always* likes things.

                                                                                                            1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                              I never thought I'd hear Bordain and Guy's names in the same sentence. Sorta like matter and anti-matter.. can it be that close?

                                                                                                          2. re: jgg13

                                                                                                            Agreed! Every time we watch, we wonder how we can work any of the places Guy visits into a trip.

                                                                                                          3. While watching DD&D I've seen some shows where the food is not something I'd eat and others shows, thought to myself, how glad they are so far away because I would be lured in. I don't think there's anything wrong with this show, it's showing the original fast foods of America, and most of them seem to have survived for years. Pizza parlors, hamburger joints, hot dogs and diners's that are serving upscale diners food. How fun. It takes a whole lot more than heaing "that's money!" to get me irritated.
                                                                                                            He does bring an aspect of goofiness, but he comes across sincere and respectful.
                                                                                                            He's disgusting? Ha! Live with three sons.

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                                                                                                            1. re: chef chicklet

                                                                                                              I love/hate DD&D. Guy has featured some truly wonderful places on his show, and yet, I can't justify eating 75% of the food that he spotlights except on a very rare occasion. This is definitely a show aimed at a young male demographic.

                                                                                                              Beyond that, I think it's time for Guy to tone it down a bit, both delivery wise and hair wise. Maybe the judging panel on Next Food Network Star could give him some pointers.

                                                                                                              1. re: brendastarlet

                                                                                                                I have to laugh at this entire thread, because while I'm not Fieri's biggest fan, I don't find him offensive.

                                                                                                                But many of you speak of Bourdain in such hush, revered tones, that I thought I would point out in tonights episode of "A Cook's Tour" Bourdain ate many 'disgusting' portions of 'various forms of hot dogs' topped with many off the wall 'condiments'. One of which was guac.

                                                                                                                And after each one he claimed to love it.

                                                                                                                1. re: sommrluv

                                                                                                                  I really enjoyed Bourdain's tour through LA. I do appreciate that he said Pink's was "the best" because of commercial popularity, not necessarily based on quality, and loved the line about Oki-dog and how after relaxing a bit, LA "pulls this crap."

                                                                                                                  Guacamole on a hot dog can be fantastic. So can mayo. I don't understand people who can't try something new on a hot dog (kudos to Bourdain for admitting his fears). A Chicago transplant in my office has perhaps the most limited view on hot dogs that I've ever heard, and she hasn't even bothered trying the LA classic "danger dog:" bacon-wrapped, with grilled onions, peppers, jalapenos, ketchup, mustard and mayo (hot sauce optional). Amazing.

                                                                                                                  1. re: sommrluv

                                                                                                                    Wow, when I was reading this thread this morning it was all, "dont like him" or "it is nasty" but now there are suppoters out there! I fall some where in the middle. Would I eat the stuff he is showing everyday? Hell no but when I am in like, Salina Kansas I hope against hope that he found some wicked nasty, (in a good way) diner for me to check out. Serve me up a plate of deep fried hot dogs on top of a chili burger and sprinkle it with fries...oh and if you have gravy, pour it on!

                                                                                                                    1. re: bubbles4me


                                                                                                                      I can't say that I've ever seen him go some place that I'd go out of my way for, but you better believe that if I'm headed somewhere that I'd look to see if any of his spots that I've liked are nearby.

                                                                                                                      And hey, if it actually turns out to not be good? Oh well. I'd still rather take a chance on a dingy hole in the wall or local haunt than some fancy schmancy place anyways.

                                                                                                                      1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                        I guess I just don't understand the appeal of "a dingy hole in the wall". When did it become a negative to put some effort into keeping a place clean and comfortable for their guests ? Maybe it is just a difference of verbage, but dingy and dirty are never one my list of positive traits I look for in a restaurant. Small, clean, homestyle cooking set in a quirky atmosphere are fine. Granted, I'm not in any hurry to shell out $200 for a piece of foie gras, but I'm not about to risk food poisoning in some dump that is known for serving the World's Largest Corn Dog either. I've worked in chains and single units and I will say that the scariest practices certainly took place in some of the local single unit operations. I guess you take the good with the bad in an effort to avoid the mediocrity of casual / fast food chains. I think that should provide some common ground for all.

                                                                                                                        1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                          As others have pointed out, a lot of the joints that he visits go out of their way to show how they're using (semi-)fresh ingredients, mixing things up themselves back in the kitchen (grinding their own beef, making their own sauces, etc), etc etc. He's not exactly going to McDs here.

                                                                                                                          As for "dingy hole in the wall" - honestly, I'm usually not terribly concerned about these things. See the hand washing thread on the Not About Food board (I think it is). My philosophy is that I encounter all sorts of dangerous things in my daily life (on a normal scale of course, I'm not an Alaskan crab fisherman or an Ice Truck Driver!), the likelihood of me getting sick from one of these places is quite small overall (example: Look at how many people as a proportion of the American population have been affected by this salmonella "epidemic").

                                                                                                                          And hey, I like me some good atmo. I'm a pretty casual kinda guy most of the time, I don't like stuffiness nor stuffy atmosphere. I want a place where the people are up front and honest, there are no pretenses, the food is good and (if they're allowed to) the beer is as well.

                                                                                                                          1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                            You and I share the same philosophy re: germs, etc. And yes, these places are for the most part going above and beyond the average on using from scratch ingredients, etc.

                                                                                                                          2. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                            I highly recommend picking up a copy of George Orwell's "Down and Out in Paris and London." His descriptions of what goes on in commercial kitchens is spot on, and not a lot has changed, despite what the Board of Health would have us believe.

                                                                                                                            For the most part, the illusion of cleanliness is one of a successful restaurants more important skills.

                                                                                                                            1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                              >>the illusion of cleanliness is one of a successful restaurants more important skills.

                                                                                                                              Oh, I like that. It's as I thought.

                                                                                                                              Gives added depth to the 'server should wash their hands' brouhaha elsewhere!

                                                                                                                              1. re: dolores

                                                                                                                                All of this talk about dirt & germs (on both threads) has reminded me of an adage I once read (I think here on CH!) talking about NYC hot dog vendors, stating that one should never buy a hot dog from a vendor with clean fingernails.

                                                                                                                                Why? Because that means their hands are always in the water where the dogs are cooking ;)

                                                                                                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                  i have to say that these places are often "dives" because not a lot of money goes into the decor - or because people simply like to keep them the way they've been for 50 years - but none of them seem dirty. in fact they all seem very well cared for to me.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: AMFM

                                                                                                                                    Amen brother. I'll take great chow over good decor every day of the week.

                                                                                                                              2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                I'm not sure of the content of Orwell's book but I suspect standards may be different around the world. There are some things that you simply can not get away with in the good old US of A, and thankfully so. I'm far from being a germaphobe, but when I see a filthy restroom, dirty glasses/plates/flatware, windows that haven't been washed in years, etc, I have to wonder how many food safety handling procedures are being followed. I mean, how many people are in the restaurant business that have no clue what temperature their coolers should be or how hot their water needs to be to sanitize their dishes ?? More than you can imagine. It is one of the few times I am glad their are some government standards to at least make an attempt at keeping us safe. If you want any eye opening experience, take a job delivering produce/linens/cleaning supplies to restaurants. It is truly amazing how some of these people conduct business "behind the scenes".

                                                                                                                                1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                  What do the windows have to do with anything?

                                                                                                                                  And when I go to Chinatown, I *expect* a nasty bathroom.

                                                                                                                  2. Geez, DDD is one of the few FN shows we watch anymore. At least he takes bites. I hate it when someone takes a tiny nibble when they are tasting food.

                                                                                                                    1. Can we have Chris Cognac do DD&D ? He is classy

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                                                                                                                      1. re: JiyoHappy

                                                                                                                        I like Chris...but come on people. DDD is one of the best FN shows...I think most of you are just FN haters.

                                                                                                                        1. re: melly

                                                                                                                          Are you kidding. It's how I got my 5 yo granddaughter to sleep when sitting. When asked why see went to bed so early she told her parents "Grandpa wouldn't stop watching the Food Network so I left."

                                                                                                                          1. re: wolfe

                                                                                                                            I watch Food Network when stuck in hospitals. Always puts things in perspective - or at least helps me get my mind off where I am and why I am there. DD&D just made me laugh - no more and no less.

                                                                                                                          2. re: melly

                                                                                                                            Guy Fieri lost me when he reacted to scrapple like a scared little b*itch. As a native Philadelphian, he lost any respect I ever might have had for him in that moment.

                                                                                                                              1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                Nope. I considered it at one point, but I'm too butterfingered. I drop stuff, lose my grip on stuff...I cook at home pretty extensively, and I love cooking to entertain, but my hands aren't agile enough to do anything with them professionally.

                                                                                                                        2. LOL! From reading this, it appears that many of you have TV sets that only recieve one channel and can't be turned off. Why did you buy one of those? '-)

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                                                                                                                            1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                              Actually 2, Bourdain is on the Travel Channel ;)

                                                                                                                            2. not wanting to see the same CSI for the third time and the Mets were once again reenacting the Keystone Cops, jfood gingerly turned on the FN hoping for who knows what. And DDD was on. Hmmm. Jfood never saw this one yet.

                                                                                                                              It was very amusing, entertaining and jfood, laptop in front of him googled each place.

                                                                                                                              And in the end he really liked it. Not Julia and Jacques, but the food was some good-lookin' down home grub. And just as jfood loves foie gras, some good grub is just that, good grub.

                                                                                                                              1. The point of the show is to feature good quality food at a price point most people can afford, and that means not stuff coming out of a can or box. Most places they showcase, if you watch the show, are places doing unique food, from scratch, in a small setting. The burger and dog places featured have their own unique twist on serving an American classic. The name is just that, a name. There are a lot of clean "dives" out there. No reputable show would risk sending people to a place that is unsanitary and where the food is not safe.

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                                                                                                                                1. re: kb1818

                                                                                                                                  I've become curiously addicted to this show, despite the fact that every diner seems the same and each customer is programmed to refer to the food as "just like home cooking."

                                                                                                                                  I like to think that I live vicariously through Mr. Fieri; he wanders into places that I would probably avoid, chows down on homemade double cheesburgers topped with bacon-butter, BBQ sauce, and sauted onions, and lives to tell the tale. Not sure I could survive eating at one of these places every day, but from a distance, it sure looks fun.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: ooroger

                                                                                                                                    He was at a local pit beef place last night and proceeded to assemble a foot-tall sandwich of beef, corned beef, pastrami, chicken, and a bunch of other meats. He then stuffed fistfuls into his face and offered it to his friend and the restaurant owner, who proceeded to shove great fistfuls in their gaping maws. I'm sure they had fun, but it was pretty disgusting.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                        To find out which pit beef place he was eating. There aren't that many left in Baltimore.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                          All of that type of information is available on the FN web site, and you don't have to watch anything you find disgusting.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                            I don't suppose you've ever found yourself watching a program where you found the content interesting but the delivery a pain? This is my problem with the first season of Nigella Lawson's show, the camera was never still, was constantly bobbing about, in and out of focus. I stopped watching Jamie Oliver's show completely, the rapid-fire jumpcutting camera work was giving me a headache.

                                                                                                                                            With this show, I find myself watching the history and prep of the meals, but ToVoing through the competitive eating portions.

                                                                                                                                          2. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                            It was Chap's Pit Beef and yes, it's one of the few pit beef places left in Baltimore doing it the authentic way, using charcoal.

                                                                                                                                            I can't argue about what some people find disgusting as far as eating "habits". It's a show, take it at that. Again, the focus is on the "old school" mom and pop places, and even interesting newer places that are doing the food well, from scratch but on a smaller scale. Plenty attention is paid to the obvious popular gimmicky places and fine dining without talking much about how the food is prepared. It's nice to see what folks do in the kitchen instead of listening to mindless talk at the dining table while course after course of food is served with no substance talk about the food.

                                                                                                                                  2. Hey don't give them any Ideas, You know they'll do anything for ratings! and GF will probably host for sure, I can just see his baggy shorted backside go flying head first into the nearest dumpster!

                                                                                                                                    1. Another 4 star episode this week. It looked like the dude from the weird cake show was joining in the "fun" this week. Nothing like piling a plate of food 2 feet high and tehn taking one disgusting mouthful for the camera. Thanks FN for another great show.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                        The "dude from the weird cake show" was Duff Goldman, owner of Charm City Cakes, which is featured on Ace of Cakes. I don't see "weird" in their cakes; I think they're creative masterpieces. Ace of Cakes is my favorite FN show.

                                                                                                                                      2. Don't like it? Don't watch!

                                                                                                                                        We kind of enjoy the show. It's nice to see a host who actually likes to eat. (I remember thinking on "Food Finds" that Sandra Pinckney probably never touched the foods on which she reported. And Marc Summers? Please.) And the food is genuine "Roadfood" (to use another site's word).

                                                                                                                                        Curious: How did you know the meat sauce was "awful" if you didn't taste it? And why is "condiments" in quotes? Do you not believe they're really condiments.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: jmckee

                                                                                                                                          I agree 100% with you jmckee, I will take roadfood over fine dining any day of the week. This show is probably one of the more interesting shows on TFN. JMHO of course.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: jmckee

                                                                                                                                            There is a distinct difference between eating and shoveling massive globs of food into youtr mouth. I just don't get how watching that is enjoyable. I'll admit, I like the premise of the show and have frequented many roadstops throughout America as long as they are clean. Again, my issue with the show is that it has become more about Guy and how much food he can waste and smear all over his face than about unique restaurants. Think of it this way, if someone ate like that at your tabel would you fine it acceptable ? If you saw someoene eating like that in a restaurant would you think "cool"? I find it to be oevrly theatrical and adds nothing to the show. Again, simply my opinion.

                                                                                                                                            As far as the meatsauce goes, my comment was based on the looks of it. Kind of like when some says that it looked delicious without the benefit of being in the room or having a taste. Condiments was in quotes because it seems like anything within reach is fair game. Again, shock value, "see how much stuff I can pile on top of this burger, now watch me take a huge bite as it drips all over my face while I say money and off the hook".

                                                                                                                                            1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                              You know, TonyO, there is a dichotomy between taking dainty little nibbles and "see how much stuff I can pile on top of this burger, now watch me take a huge bite as it drips all over my face." GF is obviously towards the latter, but I've seen plenty of people take *much* more in.

                                                                                                                                              Yes, he has a beard and *sometimes* food drips onto it. It's why some some foods are called "three napkin meals". I obviously don't know, but apparently you've never seen someone navigate around a felafel with lots of sauce, a dripping ice cream cone, an overstuffed taco, etc. Sauce dripping down their arms, tarter sauce dripping from a whole (including the belly) fried clam, butter dripping down an ear of corn or steamer clams where the fingers get messy, etc. (I can just see some CHers salivating now...) GF is nowhere these people, but he ain't -- at least in these places - - a dainty eater.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Richard 16

                                                                                                                                                Is there a better burger than the one that has juice running down your arm??
                                                                                                                                                Get a pile of napkins and dig in. The messier, the funner.


                                                                                                                                              2. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                And yes -- if I'm in a *diner* with good food I not only hope people enjoy it but do so unabashedly.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                  I think you are going a bit far in describing Guy's eating habits. He takes big bites and when the food is messy he certainly gets some on his person, but he doesn't "smear it all over his face" or shovel it in like a competitive eater. I can't help but wonder if you've truly seen someone stuff their face. If you've never eaten something that was messy and got on your face I feel bad for you. How do you eat barbecue? Or crabs? Or crawfish? A juicy burger? A cheesesteak?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: gastrotect

                                                                                                                                                    What gets me is that he takes such a huge bite he can't chew it. What's the point in that? It's a shtick designed to appeal to fellow gorgers. It's 'all shitck, all the time', and it wears thin, that's why I don't watch it. At least Zimmern tastes his food, not that I watch that program either. Eyeballs. Shudder. And Alton at least has a vocabulary.

                                                                                                                                                    The Best Place To Eat, or some-such program name from several years ago was much better at covering unusual dining spots without the gorge factor. Got several good rec's from that show for traveling.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: toodie jane

                                                                                                                                                      I find the criticism about Guy's big bites pretty amusing. When Chris Cognac the food detective guy used to post here and have his show, he was criticized by a faction of posters for the tiny bites he used to take on the show. He was slammed for being too delicate and not really enjoying the food. That it was obvious by the small bites he didn't enjoy the food and was only doing so for the show.

                                                                                                                                                      Chris was gracious enough to explain that small bites helped him get through the segment faster so he could continue talking. So this barrage of criticism about Guy's portion sizes is very amusing to me. You just can't please everybody.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: toodie jane

                                                                                                                                                        A big bite is gorging now? I thought gorging was eating tons of food.

                                                                                                                                                        I beg you to reread this" What gets me is that he takes such a huge bite he can't chew it. What's the point in that? It's a shtick designed to appeal to fellow gorgers. It's 'all shitck, all the time', and it wears thin, that's why I don't watch it. At least Zimmern tastes his food, not that I watch that program either. Eyeballs. Shudder. And Alton at least has a vocabulary."

                                                                                                                                                        and tell me it is not rude.

                                                                                                                                                2. I saw a recent DDD and was disappointed. Why? He was in Philly and he ate at The Dining Car and loved it.

                                                                                                                                                  I am telling you, we have soooo many fantastic diners in Philly, and it seems he or the production team went out of their way to go the very very worse. These people give you watery Russian on a quarter slab of iceberg and call it a salad. They open a can of DelMonte string beans and chuck them in a bowl as a side. Overcooked hamburger smashed and topped with dry envelope gravy and it's called Salisbury Steak ...

                                                                                                                                                  I know because a friend told me how good it was. Despite recalling how the time before that was 15 years ago when I last was there and it was horrid, I thought maybe things changed -- this was a year for the DDD episode -- so I gave it a shot with another friend last year. Yuck. It was as horrible as remember. Worse!

                                                                                                                                                  Meanwhile we have the famous Melrose Diner in Center City, we have the Mayfair Diner a scant mile away from the Dining Car which often has lines around the block at dinner and Sunday mornings. (And I could name another dozen, but why?) And yet DDD picks *that* toilet and everything Guy ate he salivated over. Really, having seen that my estimation of that show and him hit rock bottom.

                                                                                                                                                  I mean there is nothing like having some one "love" a place that you will never go in again in your life even if they paid you!!! On top of which they told him how they eat scrapple there, and lifetime born-and-raised I know of no one outside of maybe that diner that eats it the way they did! No one! So on top of bad taste buds, zero for accuracy in "reporting" as well.

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                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HarryK

                                                                                                                                                    At the same time, if you really love the Melrose and the Mayfair, having them featured on FN would draw even larger crowds. You also don't really know the selection process. Maybe Melrose and Mayfair declined before they went to the dining car. Maybe they have technical requirements/limitations that prevented them from going to these other places.

                                                                                                                                                    Also I gotta ask...how did they eat scrapple there and how *should* one eat scrapple?? I'll cop to being a bit of a scrapple neophyte but I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jzerocsk

                                                                                                                                                      Jzerocsk, nope, neither of the others have declined in standards. I've eaten at one about a year ago, and the one closer to me several times in the last year. Dining Car can't hold a candle to them.

                                                                                                                                                      As to production, who knows. Not sure what would prevent one kitchen and restaurant from being able to accomodate a film crew and another being unable.

                                                                                                                                                      Scrapple. It's pan-fried. Sometimes with, sometimes without a light dusting of flour. I've only recently tried it the latter and it's better. Keeps it together and gives it a bit of extra crispness.

                                                                                                                                                      They deep fried it at the Dining Car. While I'm sure nothing wrong with that, it is in no way a traditional Philadelphia way to eat it -- what bothered me was that they said it was. (What I meant about them not getting their facts straight!) Being a large city, I was open enough to think it could be an "area" or a "neighborhood" thing, so at the time I even asked a few friends from other parts of city did they eat it that way, ever have it that way, or at least ever hear of anyone making it that way. None did.

                                                                                                                                                      Reminds me of another thing ... an episode of Throwdown where they did Philadelphia pretzels and they did some weird cheese sauce on the side. It might make it taste better but it's totally out of character, not in any way the norm. I read how a food blogger who was judge even said that to the producers and they said, well, don't mention that on the air, play along, it shouldn't matter in the judging.

                                                                                                                                                      Seems the Food Network is more intent on creating their own versions of regional traditional food rather than reporting acurrately about it. Again, the thing is, because these little incidents were local to me, were about MY food, I picked up on them readily. If I'm watching these shows and didn't know the "real" local food of another place, how can I keep trusting that what I'm seeing on the tube is real or a cute and handy fabrication???

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HarryK

                                                                                                                                                        Jzerocsk meant, I believe, that perhaps the other places you mentioned declined to be on the show; not declined in quality.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ccbweb

                                                                                                                                                          That's correct, ccweb - we have no idea how many other ships might have said "no way." Film crews have a lot of equipment and need a lot of space in the kitchen, in the dining room, and even in the parking lot.

                                                                                                                                                          Also, I've gotten deep fried scrapple in various places. I don't order it often at restaurants ($3 for a "side" of scrapple? $3 buys a whole brick of scrapple!) but I can't remember NOT getting it deep fried at a restaurant. It might not be "traditional" but it seems common enough in a restaurant that is probably trying to avoid spending 15 minutes cooking up a slice of scrapple when most of the other items on a breakfast plate take much less time. Also, it's delicious deep fried.

                                                                                                                                                          Not saying FN doesn't sometimes play fast and loose with the local colors, but it goes without saying that it's television. Even "the news" isn't always 100% truthful.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: jzerocsk

                                                                                                                                                            >>> Even "the news" isn't always 100% truthful.

                                                                                                                                                            LOL! Ain't that the truth! Especially their commercials for "news at 11".

                                                                                                                                                            Scrapple probably is quite good deep fried; will have to try it that way one of these days.

                                                                                                                                                            Oh, one more thought I had about The Dining Car. There were a *lot* of elderly eating there who eat there almost every night, or minimum once a week. It reminded me -- LOL this is awful but true, it very much reminded me -- of episodes of Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares where the failing restaurant will have "a lot of white and blue hairs" (Ramsay's words). And he'll taste the food and go bleck. And he'll get some other folks in and they go bleck.

                                                                                                                                                            But the "old" longtime customers think it's wonderful and he has to explain to the owner, "do you want the same 20 people in here every day, who over the next bunch of years will get fewer and fewer? Or do you want this place turning over 150 seats every Friday night and you actually make money and you don't lose your restaurant and your house?"

                                                                                                                                                          2. re: ccbweb

                                                                                                                                                            Oops, misinterpreted that one. :)

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: jzerocsk

                                                                                                                                                          Scrapple SHOULD be griddle cooked, but most diners won't do that because it takes about 7-10 minutes per side. When I make scrapple at home, I use a cast iron griddle that I get very hot, but then I pull the heat down to medium low.

                                                                                                                                                          Most diners will griddle-cook scrapple if you ask, but acting on the assumption most people want breakfast in a hurry, they usually deep fry it for 2 minutes. It's still good, but just not quite as good.

                                                                                                                                                          How should you EAT scrapple? Well, depends. If you have really great, top-notch scrapple I like it best on a plate with a couple of eggs over easy. If you have cheap, nasty scrapple, I like it best on a plate with my french toast or pancakes (personally, I prefer french toast), and let the melted butter and syrup get all over everything, ESPECIALLY the scrapple! Nasty, overly strong, oversalty scrapple is oddly yummy with enough butter and syrup.

                                                                                                                                                      2. The formula of visiting an establishment with a reputation for a particular kind of food, or made-from-scratch food, is a blueprint for most "road" food shows. The Best Of, Feasting on Asphalt, the new Neeley's show, RR's Tasty Travels, all the same concept with a slightly different twist. The formula is the same.

                                                                                                                                                        I remember one episode of The Best Of, when they visited a restaurant in Cranbury, New Jersey to eat their "Cranberry" food recipes. The main recipe featured canned cranberry sauce -- the gel kind. It looked awful. Worse, apparently, none of the producers realized that the town and the fruit were not spelled the same way, yet they filmed the spot and thought it was a cool idea. I lived near the restaurant and had always regarded the food as below par, and would have preferred to see them feature a typical diner.

                                                                                                                                                        If you want to watch this formula, you need to find one where you actually like or can tolerate the hosts, and whose focus is of interest to you. Me, I lived in NJ for twenty years, and I like diners. I can watch one show featuring Guy, if I am in the mood, but I don't understand why they would bother to run a marathon of DDD. Still, there are certainly worse shows, and the RR shows involving travel or spending $40 per day come to mind. RR telling me what to eat when I visit XYZ? I think not. Maybe this is why we have so many cable channels to choose from, and a remote control?

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: RGC1982

                                                                                                                                                          Well,I don't get Food Network,but it was in the San Antonio Express News that
                                                                                                                                                          DD&D was going to the Tip Top Cafe on Fredricksburg Road.From what I remember of the food,it was very good.And I think DD&D also went to Texas Pride Barbecue out in Adkins,near St.Hedwig,east of San Antonio.
                                                                                                                                                          Recently I ate at Checker's Diner on Nagodoches Rd. which was very good and fresh.It was also clean too.
                                                                                                                                                          Places with dirty windows etc. also show how little they care about the food
                                                                                                                                                          and safety for the customers. And I don't like it when people shove food into their mouths like people have described,that's just disgusting.
                                                                                                                                                          By the way how in the world do these people get to be tv hosts? How can I get his job or Ray's?

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HollyDolly

                                                                                                                                                            He won a cooking/hosting contest (The Next Food Network Star) and got a TV show that way. RR started cooking at a small local restaurant, hosted a small local cooking show, and worked her way up to international star.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: HollyDolly

                                                                                                                                                              "Places with dirty windows etc. also show how little they care about the food and safety for the customers" Exactly. While cleaniness is no guarantee in regards to food quality, at least it shows attention to detail and a certain level of pride. If the windows and bathroom are filthy, you can probably guess how the kitchen looks and how versed the staff is about food handling practices. I don't care of you are serving corn dogs or foie gras, do it in a CLEAN environment.

                                                                                                                                                          2. My problem with shows similar to DD&D; particularly those with visiting FN cooks (ie. Rachael, etc.) that visit "great" restaurants is the extent to which a commercial operation (FN) is paid to advertise those "great" restaurants. I am not questioning the quality of the food-I haven't eaten in many-but am queasy as to how much of the show is paid advertising.

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: zygote

                                                                                                                                                              There is no way that most of the Mom and Pop joints featured on DD&D's have the resources to pay for placement.

                                                                                                                                                            2. You are all aware of the title of the show, no? Notice, he does not claim he is in search of America's best Michelin rated establishments. I am sure some of these places are great joints with great food, and I did not realize Chowhounders became elitist foodies. If you don't like someone shoving a hot dog in their mouth, like YOU ALL DO, then turn away.

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jacquelines

                                                                                                                                                                Common, you know that most Chowhounders have read Kitchin Confidential and watch FN and TTC. So they obviously know everything there is to know about everything culinary. Silly you.

                                                                                                                                                              2. >>"I don't care of you are serving corn dogs or foie gras, do it in a CLEAN environment."

                                                                                                                                                                Whatever your personal cleanliness requirements for visiting an eating establishment, it doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with you. Every city & town in the US has a board of health who live to shut places down if they don't meet santary guidelines.

                                                                                                                                                                Since we're here, my view on the show?
                                                                                                                                                                I think the show is excellent. Everyone really needs to support those great little places that have their work cut out for them just to compete with the national chains.

                                                                                                                                                                My view on Guy? Where Guy has lost his cred with me is he's now promoting one of those mediocre chains that competes head to head with the very people and places he visits on his show.

                                                                                                                                                                Whenever a Ruby Tuesday commercial comes on I get really frustrated: Guy, don't you get it? You're telling people to go to a national chain which servers inferior food, but has a bigger marketing budget and more resources to compete with (and put out of business) the better, local places that you, yourself claim are fantastic and a dying breed.

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                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Spends Rent on Food

                                                                                                                                                                  Guy does ads for TGI Fridays, not Ruby Tuesday.

                                                                                                                                                                  Apparently not very effective ads.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ccbweb

                                                                                                                                                                    Oh. I didn't realize there was a difference.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Spends Rent on Food

                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not sure where I sated "everyone has to agree with" me. If people want to support dirty establishments be my guest. I personally think a restaurant has some responsibilities to their guests:

                                                                                                                                                                    1. Properly cooked food
                                                                                                                                                                    2. Attentive service
                                                                                                                                                                    3. Clean facility

                                                                                                                                                                    Too much too ask ? Maybe judging by how many restaurants fail each year.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                      The view from the top of that culinary high horse must be pretty awe-inspiring.

                                                                                                                                                                      I'll make an open confession here. I like to talk about good food, and I appreciate good food, but basically I'm a home girl who would give her right arm to take a month off & go to some the the places Guy goes. Of course I'd have to have my magic weight fairy along with me to use her wand to waive off the calories and the colesterol, but deep in my soul those are the foods I crave. The people in those places are my people. They are my mom & dad and some of my relatives; they could be me. I am fascinated by the history of those places and by the fact that they seem to be meccas for the regular folks in town. They are part of the fabric of our American lives. Oh, and lest you think I'm a food bimbo, I'm 63 and a damned fine cook in my own right.

                                                                                                                                                                      The comparison to Bourdain is interesting. Somehow, if it's road food served in a dirty hut in an exotic country, that dirt is "clean dirt", whereas the diner dirt in the US is "dirty dirt"? Some of the culinary practices in places that Bourdain has visited make me want to barf, but I am interested none the less. And how Ugly American-ish would it be to say "Geez, I can't eat that because you have a Yak living in the kitchen; can't you get me something cooked in a more sterile environment?". If you are watching Feasting on Asphalt, does the fact that AB doesn't have peircings, looks like your nerdy neighbor, and uses big words make the places he visits more legit than those on DD&D?

                                                                                                                                                                      Does Guy's schtick get to me at times? You betcha, but that's why God gave us remotes. Do I care that he and Rachel Ray are media whores? So are most politicians, but it wasn't a politician who got my college age kids to try cooking on their own -- it was RR. She's also gotten me to be a lot more inventive with my burgers. When she works my last nerve, I switch to CNN so I can feel all intelligent again while I eat one of her 30 minute meals.

                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, these aren't "restaurants", these are "dives". No one has ever claimed otherwise.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                                                                        well said Patti! :)
                                                                                                                                                                        I am with you, I would give up body parts to take my magic weight fairy on a cross country tour of some of Guy's dives. My sister and I just returned from NOLA, and while I found the recommendations on that board to be interesting, we didn't go to any of the places mentioned! :) We ate at the clover grill, cafe beignet and praline connection - which fit the triple D profile more than what other people look for.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                                                                          I feel completely the same way Patti. We love going to places like that and in fact, over Christmas we visited one of the places he went to and it was exactly what you, I or millions of other would expect.

                                                                                                                                                                          I blogged about it. http://davwudsfoodcourt.blogspot.com

                                                                                                                                                                          Can't wait to try another.


                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Spends Rent on Food

                                                                                                                                                                        Have to agree. He seems to be biting the hand that feeds him. Two faced for sure.

                                                                                                                                                                        Never seen his 'cooking' show. It seemed that show was taking him nowhere. I am a big fan of DD&D. It seems that that show help solidify his TV presence.

                                                                                                                                                                        But some how he seems to have it both ways. Talking about these great places that are being pushed out by these mega chains that are the ones doing the pushing. And he is a restaurant owner as well. It's a little slimy...okay very slimy.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                                                                                          So cooking show and a food show ... represents the chain's on commercials and the mom and pops on the show ... slimy? Sounds to me the guy (pun intended) just has all his bases covered. I'd say that's pretty damned smart.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: HarryK

                                                                                                                                                                            You can still have all the bases covered and be on the sketchy side of things. I believe it is called being a politician. They do it all the time.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Withnail42

                                                                                                                                                                            That really makes little sense as a business person, do you think he just tossed his own interests away to do a commercial? nah.

                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: Spends Rent on Food

                                                                                                                                                                            That's just not true. You have no idea, where the TGIF are and what the customers have available to them. He is making money when the sun shines, as is any star or sport celebrity does that endorses a product. Come on.

                                                                                                                                                                            The local places with a loyal following are going to withstand a chain, oh yes they are. And I might point out that just about every establishment he's featured have been around at the very minimum, a decade.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chef chicklet

                                                                                                                                                                              Sometimes chains serve to show good a single unit place can be. I personally do not brand a chain as bad simply because they are a chain. In fact, some are decent (I have yet to find one that I would qualify as "great" although some dishes may be just that at chains). I think my issue with chains is that they are so predictable. On the other hand, I'm sure that is part of their success (consistent mediocrity).

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                Well me, I rarely eat at chains, it's nothing personal, I just have my favorite little restaurants.
                                                                                                                                                                                Chains have there niche, the freeway traffic and can get a majority of the tourists business. I think we like to see those signs of familiarity when we're miles from home ya know? It's sorta comforting.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: chef chicklet

                                                                                                                                                                                  i also think chains are popular with a teen crowd and you know as much as i am trying to raise mine to be foodies (my 6 & 2 year olds favorites are our local japanese and indian joints), what's wrong with them having a place to go. i'm almost (gulp) 35 and when i was 15 - 18 and couldn't drink and had friends with different tastes, fridays was a fun treat where it was ok to go without parents. i think i have eaten there maybe twice since then but to each his own. somehow i get stuck eating at applebees when driving and just want my kids to have something other than mcd's and the &@(*^*&% chili's that's in every airport. i HATE chilis. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: AMFM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Chains particularly appeal to college age kids because they remind them of the chains they went to when they're back at home. If you're in a new environment, you want something to remind you of home. It's a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, except with more high-fructose corn syrup and salt. I'll take some of Fieri's "dives" over the same-old chain any day; even if it's not that good, it's still something different.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                                                                      oh - i agree. just saying that i think there are reasons they appeal to some people. although funny about college. i went urban and there were none around and it was GREAT! a big change from my suburban upbringing! :)
                                                                                                                                                                                      it was more high school - before a dance, before i grew up for me!

                                                                                                                                                                          4. Personally, I am a big "Guy" fan...Enthusiasm is catching, and he has a fun personality, which I do not find anywhere near as annoying as Rachael's...I personally think that with time, he just keeps improving...

                                                                                                                                                                            1. We try and catch this show when it's on- I am a fan of diners and dives. My Daddy was a die-hard diner guy. Broke his heart when we moved from Jersey to Northern California in the 70's and there were no diners, but we found dives! Daddy went for the shiny metal-tube diners with bottomless coffee and killer home fries the most... And I was really happy to meet and marry a man just like him.
                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway- Guy doesn't grate on my nerves too badly anymore. I'm there (like he is) for the food. On our trip back to CA we want to check out some of the places that had us drooling for burgers.

                                                                                                                                                                              My husband is accustomed to driving 80 miles one way for us to try a puffy taco or a cuban or whatever that I read/discovered/heard about. Guy is welcome to join us, we always grab lots of napkins.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. Now that I have a few episodes of Kitchen Nightmare under my belt, I'm wondering when a few of Guy's "off the hooks" will become Gordon's "nightmares."

                                                                                                                                                                                One programming idea just feeds another....

                                                                                                                                                                                1. I used to enjoy his show, but recently they seem to have upped the amount of RAPIDFIREJUMCUTSSOYOUEVENTUALLYGETAHEADACHEFROMWATCHINGTHECAMERADARTAROUND. Rarely do cuts last longer than two seconds; after about a minute of this I had to change the channel. Which is a shame because I really enjoy the subject matter.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. This is a great show. The places are all accessable to everyone on almost any budget, the food, people, and places are unpretentious, and some of the cooks at those places really know their stuff. I've googled more places to find location/menu from watching this show than any other show on Food Network.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Bunson

                                                                                                                                                                                      Most not culinary trained, good home born and raised cooks that cook good real food that people line up for and enjoy. Kids, family, friends and that is what cooking is all about bringing everyone together

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. I love DD and D. I live in Alabama and there's not one diner in the State. One of these days when I retire, and that's not that far away, I'd like to get his book and take a road trip!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Missi

                                                                                                                                                                                        Blue Plate Cafe in Huntsville.


                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Glad to see this old thread still has life...................I love the comments accusing me of being a food elitist because I expect a restaurant to be clean..............

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: rozz01

                                                                                                                                                                                            It's just that cleanliness is not always next to houndliness. When I first came to Chowhound in 2001 the threads about DiFara's (perhaps discussed here as much as any restaurant in the country) and it's state of "non" clean tables generated some very (let us call it) "spirited" debate.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                              I guess I would treat that as an extreme example in that people are willing to tolerate long lines, ordering miscues, and cleanliness issues to eat at the 'Holy Grail" of pizza. My point is, the vast majority of places could not get away those practices and still have a rabid following. To me, a restaurant "experience" is about the food primarily, but the service, atmosphere, and cleanliness all play a role in the bigger picture. I'm not saying that the environment has to be sterile, but I'm sure most would agree, that filth is just not appetizing. I spent many years in the industry both directly and indirectly and I can tell you there are places I would NEVER eat at even if the food was free and was lauded by every television personality on the planet. I always had high expectations and standards when working in the industry and expect the same as a customer. Maybe it is just my opinion, but making a portion size extremely huge does not equate to being "houndworthy" or even enjoyable. Trust me, I eat in plenty of "dives" but if they are either filthy or the service is rude, I'm done.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                I think there are a lot of examples, other than DiFara's that could be listed. I mean, the entire world of Chinese restaurants and their service issues (along with the trouble they have in meeting "Western" food safety rules based on how things are cooked and served in their culture) could probably fill up a pretty long page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agreed. Once you enter the rural world of "roadfood" where the closest health inspector is at least an hour drive away, one would expect the adherence to health safety to decline. But many health inspection ratings are posted online. The ones available in DC/Northern Virginia are a crossection of the American palate. From the smallest taco truck to the highest-end restaurant, there's always some violation they're guilty of. The most popular violations seem to be not having a licensed food handler, improper food storage, and not having running water that's hot enough. I'm certain that eateries in rural America--as well as rural China--are guilty of some of these violations.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I personally love the show. I haven't seen the specific scene you mentioned, but I find myself drooling over at least half of the places showcased in each episode. I'm really surprised to see how many haters of DDD on ChowHound - I thought it's the perfect Chowhound show and embodies a lot of the core Chowhound ideals.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for reviving the nightmare Davwud ! That frying oil looks like it came out of a NYC cab with 100,000 miles on it...........If that is what defines "delicious" or "mouthwatering" then I guess I just don't get it. To me it looks like another example of "if the portion is big enough, who cares about quality". I think I need to take some Rolaids....................

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                That place is so goofy I wanna try it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                There's a burger place in Memphis that hasn't changed their oil in 100 years. They deep fry their burgers. Their slogan is "Have you had your vitamin "G" today?? They even had a big ceremony about carting oil from the old location to the new one.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Tasty burgers though.


                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                  i *just* saw that place featured on the Travel Channel yesterday! it was like driving past an accident site - i was simultaneously fascinated and horrified, and though i wanted to look away/change the channel, i just had to watch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  but you honestly couldn't pay me enough money to eat anything that came out of that oil. ugh!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Are you talking Dyers?? I've had the burgers and they're really good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The oil at Hillbilly Hotdogs does look pretty disgusting. I'm hoping it was just poor lighting.


                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                      yes, i was talking about Dyers. i don't care if that oil is 100 years old or 100 minutes old, the color alone made me lose my appetite.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                    The only problem with that story is that the oil in that vat is most certainly not the same oil that was around way back when. You're losing some via evaporation, absorbtion, etc. They might never be removing oil, but they're certainly adding new oil constantly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Instead of the classic "ship of theseus" philosophical conundrum, we could have a "oil of dyers" identity problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Is there some in my ear?" Ha!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Seriously...how could you not like this stuff Tony? It's gold!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If this hot dog place was nearby I would be headed there right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Wait. Biting into big, messy or awkward food and getting some on your face qualifies as disgusting? It is equal to dumpster diving? Do we call our mouths pie holes when we nibble gingerly on a saltine?

                                                                                                                                                                                                I am confused.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Sal Vanilla

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I guess manners and common decency is just too much to ask ...............why not just burp, talk with your mouth full, talk on your cell phone, and use your sleeve instead of a napkin....oh and don't forget, in the "new America" it's cool to wear your backwards hat in a restaurant as well.....'"please and thank you" are no longer needed !

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tony, in all seriousness - can you eat bbq ribs with sauce (or instance) and not get some on your face? How about standing up in the kitchen of a restaurant and trying to get a bite out of some of the messier concoctions that are shown on DDD and come out of that shot completely unscathed, debris wise? I would say if you can do that you're a magician of Las Vegas caliber...

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                      To each his own....but IMO you know you're in the middle of some good eats when you're burping, slurping, grunting, talking with your mouth full, and using your sleeve (or arms, or hands) as a napkin, and so on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Manners? How do you eat barbecue? A juicy burger? Boiled seafood? Fried chicken? Messy hands and food on your face are unavoidable in those situations and not at all seen as slovenly or outside common decency. Strange as it may be, burping is actually good manners in some cultures, so it's not all black and white when it comes to how food is eaten.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        You are equating clearly rude actions (such as talking on a cell phone while eating) with actions that are completely acceptable in certain situations (such as getting some food on your face when it's a messy dish). That seems a little disingenuous to me. I agree that there are certain things that are unacceptable in public restaurants, but I can't agree that getting food on your face at a place where the food is messy is one of them. If I'm at a barbecue joint eating ribs or a pulled pork sandwich, I'm gonna have barbecue smeared on my hands and some on my face. So will most everyone else in the place. I see nothing wrong with that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: gastrotect

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nothing "disingenuous" about it. If you get some sauce on your face from ribs, understood, I've been there. If you cram 1/2 a burger in your face like a pig, that is a whole other story. We have all seen it and should be able to decipher the difference. As far as what is accepted in other cultures, maybe the old saying "when in Rome" should be taken into consideration......

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                            "When in Rome" is actually perfect for this conversation. Different cultures doesn't necessarily have to mean half a world away. Sometimes that different culture is three states away. I agree that cramming a 1/2 pound burger in your face can be disgusting. I only question if you have seen someone truly cram a burger in their face though, because I rarely think that's what's happening on D,D,D. I think he gets a bit aggressive, but I hardly ever find myself thinking he is going way overboard. I have seen disgusting, pig-like eaters and he doesn't come close IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. This could be the biggest food snobbery set of postings I have ever read.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am as much of a food snob as most of the CH world, but what makes me different is I don't think people who are not like me are bad people. I wouldn't be caught dead in a Olive Garden, but I also don't feel like a better person because of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I love this show and while I am on the fence with Guy, the show highlights great places to eat across the US, (although most of the places on his show are in Northern California where he lives), not fine dining. Where the average person can get a great meal, not spend a lot of money and act all pretentious like some of the posters on here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      If running down people because they are not as "sophisticated" as you are, makes you feel better about yourselves, you have issues.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well said fitzpth. I watch the show whenever can. I think it is fun, entertaining and (on occasion) given me great ideas for tweaking recipes! I have the right to be as snobbish as anyone if we were to base snobbishness on wealth, education, etiquette knowledge and worldly experience. I choose not to exercise that right *all the time*. Because, that would be simply stupid. Food is sometimes fun, sometimes messy and irreverent........... just like life......thank goodness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                          "(although most of the places on his show are in Northern California where he lives)"

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I count about 260 and less than 60 are in California and about half of those are in southern California. So this statement is about as wrong as it can be.


                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Taken from the FlavortownUSA website and put into excel. Actually, there are 442 places he has visited, 16.52%, the most, are in California. I am assuming that most of them are in northen California.


                                                                                                                                                                                                            State Total Percentage
                                                                                                                                                                                                            CA 73 16.52%
                                                                                                                                                                                                            TX 24 5.43%
                                                                                                                                                                                                            FL 22 4.98%
                                                                                                                                                                                                            MN 19 4.30%
                                                                                                                                                                                                            IL 18 4.07%

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                              California as the state with the most and most being in California are two completely different things. If 16% are in California, then 84% are not. So most of the restaurants are not in california.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I guess my list wasn't as up to date.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                So how is it that 16% equals "Most"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Secondly, on the list that I saw, just under half were in SoCal. So call it 10% are in NoCal. Again, not what I consider to be "Most."


                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  16% of the restaurants he visited are in the state of California. That is the most or highest percentage when compared to the other states he has been to. Texas is in a distant second with 5.4%. Check out flavortownusa.com and see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is how California is the most. Actually, to add to your point, if 10% are the places are in NoCal, then it is in the lead of places he visits. (10% Nocal, 6% everyplace else Cal) Texas is still in second place with 5.4%.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I should have been more specific about the list I added.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Your statement "most of the places on his show are in Northern California" is simply wrong. Obviously you cannot understand this, but rest assured, it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess highest percent is correct, but not most at all. Anyway, he recently visited North Pole, Alaska, which I dvr'd but have not seen. Then there was one of my favorites when he is in an Oklahoma dive and an old guy walks in and says, "Holy Moly, it's the dinner and drive in boy." Dinner, not diner, classic. These places are nowhere near NoCal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why are you being such a smart ass? It's not that big of a deal and not that complicated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If out of the 442 restaurants he visited, 73 are in California, that equates to 16.52%. If you see the data below, that is the most out of all of the states.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        State Locations Percentage
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Alabama  3 0.68%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Alaska  7 1.58%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Arizona  13 2.94%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        California  73 16.52%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Colorado  8 1.81%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Connecticut 7 1.58%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        District of Columbia  5 1.13%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Florida  22 4.98%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Georgia  8 1.81%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hawaii  7 1.58%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Idaho  9 2.04%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Illinois  18 4.07%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Indiana  2 0.45%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kansas  6 1.36%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kentucky  6 1.36%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Louisiana  12 2.71%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maine  5 1.13%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Maryland  8 1.81%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Massachusetts  12 2.71%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Michigan  4 0.90%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Minnesota  19 4.30%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mississippi 3 0.68%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Missouri  9 2.04%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nebraska  6 1.36%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nevada  5 1.13%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        New Hampshire  1 0.23%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        New Jersey 13 2.94%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        New Mexico 10 2.26%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        New York  14 3.17%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        North Carolina 7 1.58%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ohio  9 2.04%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oklahoma  9 2.04%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oregon  8 1.81%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pennsylvania 14 3.17%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Rhode Island 4 0.90%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        South Carolina 4 0.90%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tennessee 15 3.39%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Texas  24 5.43%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Utah  7 1.58%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Virginia  7 1.58%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Washington13 2.94%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        West Virginia2 0.45%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Wisconsin  4 0.90%
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Total 442


                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Why are you fighting this? You clearly stated something incorrectly in your original argument, regardless of your actual intent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Now I know why I am upset. Guy has never rolled into Vermont ! Somebody get Guy on the horn and tell him TonyO is ready to be his host: we can hit Beansie's Bus for a Michigan and Nectar's for some gravy fries !!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                email them and tell them........nay challenge them to come to Vermont.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Davwud

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wouldn't that be quite a twist, me and Guy on D, D, D. I can just hear it now: , "Hey, there's the ______________ that started the thread bashing Guy and now HE has gravy all over his face and just yelled MONEY" ! Odder things have happened...............................FYI, I'll be the guy with his sun glasses on the front of my head ......................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's funny. I ate at Nectar's earlier this year for the first time in 20 years and the first time ever that wasn't at the end of a night of drinking downtown! Totally different than I remembered. Didn't there used to be a cafeteria style line where you ordered and he'd just pour gravy all over everything? Of course, my memory of those nights might be a little hazy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Shann

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Shann, your memory is better than you think ! The place has changed hands and been remodeled (Nectar, the former owner made famous on the Phish album) had quite a following.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Statistics! No New Mexico, but the Holy He of DDD has been here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: TonyO

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To heck with all this silly arguing! Tell me more about these gravy fries! I am anxious to get my face mussed while eating them like a fat, American, evil pig that I am!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Please tell me it is sausage milk gravy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Sal Vanilla

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        More like that slighly tan turkey gravy out of a jar if I remember correctly !

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Sal Vanilla

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SV, there's only one place to go for gravy fries...a Jersey diner. and technically what you want is an order of *cheese* fries with gravy for dipping.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          one of my favorite foods on the planet, and i miss it desperately!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Cheese AND gravy? I am going to have to think about that one when I am feeling low. It will replace my "GO TO" which is French Fries fried in duck fat. I saw it on a TV program a year or so ago and well... Maybe I can combine the two.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Sal Vanilla

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Duck fat fries with cheese, gravy, and duck liver. Do it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: joonjoon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And, with every order you get, absolutely free, a portable defibrillator! ;-D>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nah.. Up to Toronto or Montreal for Poutine. Over here in Iowa, I start salivating three weeks before any trip.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: rozz01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i've wanted to try poutine since hearing everyone wax poetic about it here on CH, but since there's no Canadian version of DDD, it doesn't count ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @SV, the traditional Jersey preparation is steak-cut fries (extra-crispy please!), melted American cheese, and brown gravy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                of course, you can also get the cheese fries without gravy, in which case you now have one of the only two dishes in this world that i put ketchup on...and the other is extra-crispy home fries from a Jersey diner!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is that what some call Disco Fries? Poutine is the ultimate stoner food and a must when drinking beer in Montreal or Quebec City.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Duppie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    close, but not quite the same. in my experience, the cheese on Disco Fries was mozzarella, not American...it was a Long Island thing, not Jersey ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    but yes, my love affair with them began during one of [far too] many munchie-fests after a long night of partying.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      poutine is as close as Lowell, Mass. Very popular in amny of the Franco-American areas of New England.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        alas, my only real time spent in New England was summers at sleepaway camp as a child & preteen...occasionally after they had been out drinking in the local town, the counselors would come back to the bunk and surprise us with a late-night treat, but it was something along the lines of [awful] pizza, or some ice cream, never something as inspired as poutine :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Duppie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      stoner food? ok, so uh..........................
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      never been a stoner so don't know bout that.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      don't drink beer but manage without it while eating poutine.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      M & QC great places :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not sure if steak fries are "traditional." In my experiences in diners in NJ it depends on what type of fries they serve. They simply add cheese and gravy to those.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i probably should have said "thick," but not necessarily steak-cut...i've never seen skinny fries at a diner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have. "Thick cut" or "steak fries" isn't the tradition. It's whatever the diner serves, and there is a variety of styles of fries served at NJ diners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd agree that it's American cheese (if mozz isn't specified) and brown gravy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            just to be clear, when i say "skinny" fries i mean the fast food kind of skinny, like what you'd get at McD's et al. i've never seen fries like that at a [respectable] diner ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but yes, absolutely brown gravy & American cheese!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              oh yes, it must be brown gravy! I had french fries with white gravy once... it.was.awful!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: rozz01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you ever get to Florida, you can get real poutine in Dania (near Hollywood-Ft. Lauderdale), which is a Quebecois tourist mecca. Try the Dairy Belle Drive-In on Federal Hwy. They also have all sorts of other Quebecois junk food too. There are several mentions on the Florida boards.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bob W

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm vegetarian... yet I still crave it. There's a lot of options for me up n Canada.. In Iowa I'm SOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the info fitzpth, I find it interesting and certainly understood what you meant. Seems like people are just looking for a reason to attack and show how much more they know and then call others judgemental............................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: fitzpth

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not that off the mark, actually. California does host 12% of the US population, after all (2009 Census Bureau estimates). What is notable is the underrepresentation of the state of New York-- with 6.4% of the US population, NY only gets 3.2% of Guy Fieri's douchy love....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: rjw_lgb_ca

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      NY'ers see that Camaro pulling up with Guy at the wheel and they lock the door and turn off the lights..................

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. "Is there really any value to showing a hot dog topped with ketchup, mustard, relish, mayo, some awful meatsauce, coleslaw, and a few other "condiments" ?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think some fans of Chicago, Sonoran, or slaw dogs might take issue with this statement.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If it was of crappy quality, they would probably take issue with that !

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I think Guy's humor and wit is just what I need in this all to "uptight" world we live in . You all need to lighten up!!! His shows are what they are and the majority of people in this country live on a budget, where a night out in a neighborhood diner is "Special"! I look forward to being able to enjoy any of Guy's recommendations.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: othervoice

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ditto. Hate chains w/ a passion, love to try any DDD. The Dude is a showman. He needs a robe and a White Russian.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              hilarious, Dude!:-) I really don't watch the show, but don't have an issue with it, either. I do know folks from the nonprofit world who have nothing but good things to say about Fieri- before he was on TV, but was a pretty successful restaurant owner, he was very community minded and very generous to the local nonprofits. When he came to Jacksonville, Fl( where I was living at the time) last year he actually stopped at a restaurant that was def not a diner, drive in or dive, but an excellent very small spanish tapas restaurant. He also stopped at an excellent upscale diner and an old school seafood rest. right on the water that gets its seafood from fishing boats that literally came up to the rest. docks. 3 very good places that locals rate very highly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. It's not my style at all, but I have watched a few episodes. Despite his cheesey demeanor it's nice to learn about dives that actually have tasty food, especially when it does not come straight off the back of a Sysco truck.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: SavoryTv

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm more interested in the subject matter from an historical perspective. Why have some of these places been around for decades yet other far more sophisticated places fold after 18 months? And in many cases, the former has been serving identical menu items for as long as anyone can remember. I feel that the more sophisticated the palate, the greater the need for simple comfort food. These places are a welcome antidote from cuisine that's just a little too precious. Fried hotdogs wrapped in bacon, whole belly clams, gas station tacos are about as unpretentious as you can get. And like a simple oyster on the half shell, the tendency isn't to savor every morsel but to slam them down and order another round.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: monkeyrotica

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I suspect it has nothing to do with preciousness or pretentiousness. It has to do with a larger audience, low prices and the perception of a good value. Pretty simple.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I savor oysters, when they are exceptional. When they are not, I don't eat them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I watched last night's double header: comfort foods and regional favorites. I couldn't stop drooling over most of the dishes that were prepared. They looked, and probably tasted, fabulous. I came away with some ideas I could apply to my own dishes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The show is not about Fieri; for me it's about the food. As for his somewhat unsanitary antics, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that, in addition to the free publicity, FN compensated the place for wasted food

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The possibility of comp'ed food by the network is irrelevant if Guy's unsanitary practices keep people from venturing to the establishment. Ive heard that appearing on the show is worth $250K in increased sales, but Guy is a trained chef and restaurant owner so he obviously knows better than to use bare hands, eat or lick utensils.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I love the show and I've also worked in the industry as both a cook and a baker.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I knew he owned a couple of restaurants but wasn't sure he was a trained chef. I've noticed that many chefs prep and taste food the same way he does, using either a finger or a separate utensil. Still, being in the business himself, he should know better than to wear flip-flops in the kitchen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I mistakenly thought that w he was a CIA grad but Guy has an unspecified BS degree from UNLV in hospitality management.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree with you that he knows the food regs and should know to use a single use plastic spoon to taste and to wear gloves. The wearing of shorts and flip-flops in a kitchen is a pet peeve of mine and is dangerous if a knife is dropped or something is spilled. I don't expect him to wear a chefs coat and checkers, but a T-shirt and jeans would be appropriate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The sanitary is as much of a real problem but it is a PR issue because the DD&D episodes are all posted on YouTube and anyone s can see what he did and that might affect their decision to patronize a restaurant, much to the owners dismay.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't want to be negative because the show is a godsend for local food, and small restaurants that are all too rare in the current chain craze, but many of the problems are easily corrected and it would be a shame that a restaurant is penalized for something out of their control.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I sincerely hope the food he's had a "hand' in preparing is not served to the public. Most likely the FN crew gobbles it down.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I also get the impression that some owner/chefs really don't approve of and are annoyed by his antics,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Not aiming this at you mucho, just a general comment about this "sanitation" issue, but when I notice Guy putting a finger in something it's usually before it's about to be cooked. Not only that, but if we all think about all the girls (or boys) that we've kissed over the years I doubt strongly that anything Guy is doing on his show is going to rise to the level of a matter for the CDC to worry about.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree, Servorg, and even if he puts his finger in while or after cooking, I'm sure nobody will get sick. The food is hot and it takes a while for a contaminent to take hold.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Still, just seeing him do it makes one wonder what really goes on in a kitchen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: mucho gordo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought that the sausage maker was going to do something to Guy when he kept putting his head in the horizontal batch mixer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Didn't he make a comment about that at the time?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A PR issue? Really? On one hand you say it's a PR issue because it might affect someone's decision to patronize a restaurant. Other the other hand you say it's a godsend for local food and small restaurants.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So which is it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And do you really think that anyone, anywhere, at any time, has watched a YouTube clip, and thought "yuck, I'm not going there."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And does anyone really think that Guy is sticking is fingers in customers' food in a manner that would be unsafe?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This whole idea that a restaurant is "penalized" or business is negatively impacted because of the clothing a TV show host wears is ludicrous. And I've seen no evidence that it is supported at all. It's just a convenient way to criticize the show. An easy position to take, because it requires no research, knowledge, analysis, or support.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you think all chefs in restaurant kitchens, trained or untrained, are using plastic spoons and gloves to taste, rather than one spoon kept in their pocket, and bare hands, you are sadly mistaken.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Kelli2006

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would TOTALLY watch a show called "Diners, Drive Ins, and Violent Explosive Diarrhea." It'd be just like Guy's show except with more cholera.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. I'm more upset there is a Chains board on Chowhound that Guy being a slob at locally owned and operated Mom & Pop places!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: rozz01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            He's more upset that chowhound has a board specifically for discussion on chain restaurants than he is that some TV show host is being somewhat of a slob at some restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Neither bother me, because I have the ability to not read the Chain board, and not watch a TV show. But I'm a happy-go-lucky kind of fellow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Spot on tommy. I find chains, anti-chow and am not bothered by Guy in the least and enjoy the local "joints". I'll take Guy any day over Adam Richmond and hate the food competitions.. I'm a 'Nam vet and I feel the experience affected me in the food realm, where I search for real food every day at every meal. I'm unsure whether I'll be here tomorrow and want every bite to be as if it were my last.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hadda be there. So it goes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pax Americana
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ps I used to have to fill my canteen from the dirty water in shell craters and at times had nothing to eat. I find the discussion on Guy's flip flops and fingers entertaining to say the least.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On the Repose we had a saying "Never open your mouth in a rice paddy."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: wolfe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  God bless the Repose, it's doctors, nurses and corpsmen and the lives it saved.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Merry Christmas Wolfie! We will meet some day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Plus a thanks to the men that didn't get much credit, the guys that drove the boat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I dig your philosophy on food, and I don't have any problem with Guy being a slob. I love the kind of places he profiles. The thing I don't like about him is that he is by far the lamest human being I can recall having his own television show over the last seven decades. He's a walking, talking joke about grown up Gen-Xers desperately trying to cling to the last vestiges of youth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Adam Richman, on the other hand, I really dig. I hate his show, and I detest competitive eating and food "challenges" just the same as you do. But Richman didn't go looking for the job he has. I watch the first ten minutes of his show, which is much the same format as Guy's. He profiles local greasy spoons, and does so in a very entertaining fashion. His food knowledge blows that of most food TV hosts out of the water. The kid wanted a food travel show, just like Guy's minus the lameness, and this is what Travel Channel offered him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can't blame him for taking it, as it was his best shot at eventually getting to do what he wants to do in life. It's clear when watching the show that he hates doing the overeating part, and it takes every bit of his Yale School of Drama talents to keep making the jokes. I just hope Travel Channel gives the kid a show without the overeating before they finish wrecking his health.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: gadfly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Guy is shallow, without doubt and Adam great schtick. I too watch Man vs for the first ten minutes, but often w/ the volume off just to watch Adam's song & dance.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As a fan or the little guy, however, I try to look past Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum(b) to see these mom & pop food enclaves that, in their own way, try to serve good grub to the masses, through a labor of love.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dumkeg the Every Man

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: gadfly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      please see my response upthread- while I don't know him, I know several people who do know him and he is anything but shallow, or lame. Please separate the human being, whom you know nothing about, from a persona you don't care for.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: karenfinan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know this is an old post of Karen's but I'd like to "ditto" to what she said. I'm in the same "friend of a friend" boat and I've heard nothing but complimentary things about Guy as a person, when the lights and camera are turned off.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        His on screen persona from what I understand is an over-exaggeration of his personality... a caricature of the person he really is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So his show isn’t for EVERYONE… obviously it’s for a LOT of people though. I think it’s a fun and funny show and it beats the heck out of shows that are in the same vein like man vs. food… only you don’t see Guy trying to shove a five pound burrito down his gullet in 10 minutes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So he takes a couple HUGE bits and tells everyone how much he likes something and he says silly catch-phrases… if you don’t like it there’s a simple solution: turn the channel!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. re: rozz01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  rozzo01 I had the same problem but it works if the typo is corrected.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm more upset there is a Chains board on Chowhound than(I am by) Guy being a slob at locally owned and operated Mom & Pop places!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I couldn't stand this show the first few times I saw it as Fieri just seemed too ... "brash" is the best word I can come up with.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've either gotten used to his schtick or learned to look past it so as to enjoy the places he visits. Many of them are ho-hum, but more often than not are exactly the kind of places I enjoy most.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And in fact, he has done shows with two of my favorites here in Houston.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Regarding the health department issues, my assumption has always been that he is there during the off hours and any food he is involved with is NOT going to unsuspecting paying customers. It seems most often that he helps with a dish and then digs in!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DoobieWah

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, last night he did one of our favorite places in Albuquerque, a French Cafe and a Basque restaurant. All look like places where the owners put a lot of love in their cookin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: DoobieWah

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Brash food (and brash owners/cooks) deserves a brash host... ;-D>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your avitar is in contradiction w/ your words. The Dead would love DDD, i feel.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Peace w/ the Season

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Since I do love DDD, and have defended Guy in this thread with my posts, I'm not certain how my Dead avatar and my words here are at odds?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Only the last "brash" statement. None of last night's show were, I feel, brash.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do think Guy is brash. In a good way. And much of the food he reviews on the show fits that particular parameter. I didn't see last nights show (just back from Albuquerque and trying to recover my equilibrium) but generally I don't think the term (brash) is pejorative when applied to either Guy or DDD.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sylvia's on 6th St. in Alb. was one of the featured restos. I guess I'm brash too.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I enjoy the show too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. I find it really amusing how so many people in this thread seem to think their opinion of Guy Fieri is fact.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Just chucking in my $.02 ... yeah, the show it over the top, poorly edited, and Guy is a larger-than-life type of character.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BUT ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Isn't he doing, as others have pointed out, a good thing in highlighting Mom & Pop type places that serve good food (usually of the "comfort" variety) for reasonable prices? Why are so many being so condescending about this? It's not like you have to eat at these places, or even watch the show?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I very rarely watch the show (maybe a handful of times a year), but I like the fact that he is helping to give these places some media attention, and a boost in business. I know I've eaten a place or two he's pointed out while on a road trip. Just did last night, as a matter of fact.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: a213b

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Poorly edited? I find the editing top-notch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The editing is rapid-fire, but it isn't poorly done. To me, a poorly edited show would be Jamie Oliver's: nothing but dutch angles, pointless zooms, lots of out-of-focus shots, and the camera is never still. It's like being strapped to an epileptic while they're having a fit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: tommy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't know about top-notch, but it's definitely one of the better produced shows on FTV...maybe the best.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I don't get a lot of channels, so I can only watch Food Network at the gym. Ha! I was on the elliptical the other day and this show was on... as a vegetarian I thought I'd watch it to validate my eating choices. Instead, I ended up seeing a dish that will haunt my elliptical dreams forever. This guy had homemade potato and cheese perogies, which he fried in a ton of butter and then topped with sauerkraut. Then I think he poured vodka all over it until it burned off, and then put the perogies and sauerkraut on bread that had thick slices of cheddar on each side! It was VEGETARIAN! It probably had my entire weekly caloric allowance in one dish! The SECOND I lose fifteen pounds I'm going to make one myself. Thank you, Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Jetgirly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That was the Parmageddon sandwich at Melt in Lakwood Ohio.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jetgirly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              saw that one too! Yeah me too, I have at least 15lbs and I too am making that dish. Lately he's been going to some outrageously good dives(?) I use that loosely because they don't look all that divey. The restaurant in the bowling alley for one, I sat there with my pad and pen trying to write down ingredients for some of the menu items.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Jetgirly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had a grand plan to eat this on my birthday AND I lost thirty pounds! But now I can't actually be bothered to procure all of the ingredients (my birthday is on Monday and three days later I'm going abroad for two weeks, so I don't want to be buying stuff like cheese). Alas. Maybe when I turn thirty. Or am officially categorized as "underweight". (Joking.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jetgirly

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You could make this at home a lot easier with frozen pierogies. Mrs. T's is a brand of frozen pierogies that is not a bad approximation if they have them in the frozen food section of the grocery store where you shop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sounds delicious!! I could stop at the pierogis covered with sauerkraut part, and save a few calories.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Or you could buy the kapusta pyrohy (sauerkraut peirogies).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Saurkraut peirogies, a big lenten food in Polish areas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sauerkraut pierogies are my favourite kind of pierogues! I'm the only one of my cousins that likes them, so I say all the more for me :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I watch this show often because the Man and the kids both love it, and I think Guy actually gives some non-verbal indications when the food is not so good...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: twyst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If what Page says about Fieri is true, Guy was acting like a jerk. Even if he was justified in axing Page, you still have to be professional. Ture or not, Page comes off like a jerk for airing dirty laundry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'd like to hear Guy's/DDD crew's version of events


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: twyst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm embarrassed for this guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: twyst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Page does not come off looking good to me, the way I read it. Definitely drama though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: twyst

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't feel any more knowledgable about the situation after reading what Page has to say. It is well-written with the apparent intent of shedding no light upon the facts while allowing the reader to infer negative things about Fieri. Maybe Fieri deserves that and more; I will probably never know.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: sandylc

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            About time for Fieri's extended 5 minutes of fame to come to an end. No substance, just another example of personality replacing person..................